Speaker Identification

Speaker 1 - Helen Taylor, Host
Basis: The speaker identifies herself at the opening as Helen Taylor and welcomes listeners to her show, Inspired Radio.

Speaker 2 - Owen Hunt / Bootsy Greenwood, Guest
Basis: Helen introduces the guest as Owen Hunt, also known as Bootsy Greenwood. The guest later explains that Bootsy Greenwood is his screen name or stage name used for his online work.

[Opening]

Speaker 1 - Helen Taylor, Host: Good morning, Melbourne. Good morning, Australia, and good day or evening to all our international listeners as well. I'm Helen Taylor. Welcome to my show, Inspired Radio.

I'm here with you every Wednesday at 10:00 a.m. Melbourne, Australia time, and Tuesday at 7:00 p.m. Central Time for Canada and the U.S. These are conversations and stories to inspire you.

This is the BBS Radio TV platform, and we're going live to more than 200 outlets worldwide.

Before I get started: sponsors, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you. I think that's all I need to say, because you can all feel that.

Inspired Radio is all about change, getting uncomfortable, and shaking up the status quo. We're breaking free from limiting systems and limiting lives, and embracing our infinite potential. My guests are here to tell their stories, because storytelling is creating our new world.

So let me introduce today's guest, Owen Hunt. We're diving into the world of Reality Transurfing with Owen, who is also known as Bootsy Greenwood. Take a note: a writer, speaker, and explorer of consciousness, Owen has helped bring the powerful ideas of Reality Transurfing to a wider audience through his unique blend of insight, humor, and real-world application.

We'll be talking about shifting reality, navigating life's alternative spaces, and how to align with the version of yourself and your life that you truly want. Owen, welcome.

Speaker 2 - Owen Hunt / Bootsy Greenwood, Guest: Thank you, Helen. It's an honor to be here. I am ecstatic to chat with you again, and I'm really looking forward to this interview.

Speaker 1 - Helen Taylor, Host: Thank you. Me too.

[Reinvention, Curiosity, and the Search for Meaning]

Speaker 1 - Helen Taylor, Host: So, you've been many things. You've been a comedian, you've been a bartender, you've been a tree lopper. Do you reinvent yourself? Is that what you've done in your life?

Speaker 2 - Owen Hunt / Bootsy Greenwood, Guest: I just love the term "tree lopper," by the way. That is the coolest thing ever.

I suppose so. I think we all molt. We all change and transform as we learn more about ourselves and peel back the layers of the onion: the conditioning, the world's ideas of who we should be, other people's projections, and all those things. The more we peel those layers back, I think the more we change, transform, and rebrand ourselves.

Speaker 1 - Helen Taylor, Host: Let me ask you this: through all of those different versions of yourself, what were you looking for?

Speaker 2 - Owen Hunt / Bootsy Greenwood, Guest: That's a really good question. I think I was looking for peace, tranquility, connection, understanding, and self-actualization. I guess that would probably be the big word: to understand who I really am, what I'm capable of, and what I'm here to do.

Speaker 1 - Helen Taylor, Host: I get you, because you said before that we're all reinventing ourselves. Well, that's not actually true, because there are a lot of people who get stuck in a comfort zone, which is a funny term, isn't it? I don't think a comfort zone is really that comfortable.

Speaker 2 - Owen Hunt / Bootsy Greenwood, Guest: No, it's not. It gets pretty mundane, actually, if you stay in that comfort zone for any length of time.

Speaker 1 - Helen Taylor, Host: Yes. But there's a carrot held out in front of some of us, and we're chasing that carrot, looking for the meaning of life.

Speaker 2 - Owen Hunt / Bootsy Greenwood, Guest: I think so. I think I've been looking for the meaning of life and wanting to share the things I've picked up along that journey. I would not necessarily say I have the answer for every single person, but I would absolutely say that curiosity is what has really brought me along. I'm like, "Hmm, I wonder if..." and then I follow that thread, that ribbon. You just keep pulling on it and pulling on it to see where it goes.

Speaker 1 - Helen Taylor, Host: I hear you, because I think you and I have had some similarities in our past and in the explorations and paths we've been down. Curiosity was the drawcard for me. I always put it this way: there's dust up on the horizon; something's going on; I think I'll go and have a look.

Speaker 2 - Owen Hunt / Bootsy Greenwood, Guest: Yes. Why not?

Speaker 1 - Helen Taylor, Host: But a lot of the time, when I was doing it, I would walk into a program. I wrote a book a few years ago, and when I finished writing it, I realized that all I was writing was: I was in this program; I figured out how to exit it; then I opened a door to another program, and then I started another program. That was the best way I could describe it. I just went from one program to another, to another, to another, until I had some sort of realization: "Oh my God, I'm caught up in something, and I need to understand what it is."

Speaker 2 - Owen Hunt / Bootsy Greenwood, Guest: That's fascinating. I think that's really a brilliant insight. It's like we step into all of these fractals. It's just a labyrinth of a labyrinth, levels of exploration.

Speaker 1 - Helen Taylor, Host: Yes. I realized, too, that the journey has been about self-discovery for me. The words have been: "Truth. What is the truth? What is the truth?"

Over the last 30 years, I've looked at the different personal development ideas out there, the different books, the different movies, everything. It took me a long time to make my way through them, but I realized they didn't tell all the truth. Some were deliberate: they would only give you a certain percentage and hold back. Some people who were very successful in living wonderful lives thought they'd figured out how to explain it to you, but I don't think they'd figured all of it out. So I was always just getting bits and pieces. Does that make sense?

Speaker 2 - Owen Hunt / Bootsy Greenwood, Guest: It absolutely does. That was my experience, too. The closest thing I found was the book that you mentioned at the beginning of my introduction. It does a very good job of outlining these ideas. There are a couple of books that do, but even in that book he makes the statement that you can only get so close to truth; we can't know it absolutely or directly.

Speaker 1 - Helen Taylor, Host: Yes.

Speaker 2 - Owen Hunt / Bootsy Greenwood, Guest: I think there's something to that. It's kind of frustrating. It's like the thing you just can't put your finger on, but you can't keep yourself from chasing, exploring, or trying to understand. It's kind of like a kitty trying to chase a laser pointer.

Speaker 1 - Helen Taylor, Host: Absolutely. I know exactly what you mean, and I'm sure a lot of people listening will understand that chasing a light around.

Speaker 2 - Owen Hunt / Bootsy Greenwood, Guest: Absolutely. I admire everyone who is on that journey. I think a big part of it is realizing, "Hey, I'm never going to fully understand the truth in that direct way, maybe in this incarnation. Maybe beyond it, we will know it directly."

I heard another comedian, Pete Holmes, do a bit where he talks about how, if God is God and we're like characters in a book, the author is not in the book. Harry Potter is not going to find J.K. Rowling. It's not possible; it's something beyond. I think we're all looking for that. We're looking for that connection. I believe we're looking to dissolve into the infinite.

Speaker 1 - Helen Taylor, Host: Yes. We're also part of it here, but we're separate. And being separate is, paradoxically, one of the things we all have in common.

Speaker 2 - Owen Hunt / Bootsy Greenwood, Guest: Yes.

Speaker 1 - Helen Taylor, Host: My path has revealed that I call us "chips off the old block." Whatever that old block is, we're chips of it. I don't really want to define it any more than that, because I think that's just another set of programming.

Speaker 2 - Owen Hunt / Bootsy Greenwood, Guest: I think so, too. It's almost like the more we consciously try, with our linear, logical brain, to understand everything, the more elusive it becomes. It's something beyond or beneath that conscious understanding. That's where I think the connection really is, and where we can settle in and start to understand ourselves at a deeper level. That's where the essence lies.

[Reality Transurfing, Balance, and the Space of Variations]

Speaker 1 - Helen Taylor, Host: That's a good way of explaining it. Over the last 30 years, I've realized that what we used to think was truth, or a way of understanding how we operate our minds and bodies, keeps evolving. Even the concept of chakras and energy centers has new insight into how to look at it. It's not about them being colors and making them brighter and cleaner; it's actually about returning them to consciousness, which is clear, pure light. Everything I learned 30 years ago has been reinvented many times, but I think that's a good thing.

Speaker 2 - Owen Hunt / Bootsy Greenwood, Guest: I think so, too. I think there's a constant moving and shifting. Nothing is ever really static. Everything is constantly in flux. Somehow we're all held together, but we're also moving.

The author of Reality Transurfing would say that balance is the primary universal law, the fundamental law of the universe. Balance is never actually attained; equilibrium is never static or really at rest. We can see fall, spring, summer, winter. Everything is constantly changing, constantly striving toward balance, but it never rests there. It's always moving toward it, but never really settling there.

Speaker 1 - Helen Taylor, Host: Absolutely. Because we haven't actually named him yet, Reality Transurfing is written by Vadim Zeland. I believe that's how you pronounce his name; it might be "Zee-land."

Speaker 2 - Owen Hunt / Bootsy Greenwood, Guest: You know, honestly, as funny as that is, I found that book in 2016, nearly 10 years ago, and I would have called myself a seeker. I've dropped that as a title, because if you call yourself a seeker, that implies that you won't find.

Speaker 1 - Helen Taylor, Host: It's a program.

Speaker 2 - Owen Hunt / Bootsy Greenwood, Guest: Right. So I've dropped that. I'm in a new program now, and I'm exploring.

That book, particularly, seemed to bring together so many ideas I'd found in other books in a really clear and cohesive way. Another one I would recommend, if people are looking for more of a comprehensive guide or model to reality and how it works, is My Big TOE, or My Big Theory of Everything, by Thomas Campbell. That's another really good book. It's written differently, but it does a very good job of explaining principles, probabilities, possibilities, and how we find ourselves in the reality that we do.

Speaker 1 - Helen Taylor, Host: Thank you for sharing that, because I really want people to have something to focus on and look at. I think people listening to this are explorers and investigators, just like us.

I agree with you: when I found Reality Transurfing, it turned on light bulbs for me. It took the bits and pieces I had discovered and put them into a sequence that made sense. The quantum world is, to me, the best explanation of what we're living in.

Speaker 2 - Owen Hunt / Bootsy Greenwood, Guest: I think so, too. It absolutely changed the way I saw the world. It shifted the game for me. And as seemingly complicated as some of the ideas are, I don't think they're that difficult to use, apply, and implement in our lives.

The first thing that really blew my mind was this idea that the quantum world is the same as the dream world, the same as the world of ideas, or the mind of God, or the Akashic records, or infinity, or eternity. These are all relatively synonymous. We could nitpick some things, but everything that ever was, is, or will be is in the world of ideas.

Then we live here in the material world, this third-dimensional, dense-matter reality. Just like many other books that came before it, Reality Transurfing would say that consciousness is primary. That's the theory: everything starts as an idea. The universe is mental. The All is mind. It all begins with a thought.

We don't build a sandcastle and then have the idea that we should build a sandcastle. We think, "I want to build a sandcastle," and then we build the sandcastle. That is the idea of materialization: whatever it is that we want to bring into the world already exists in what Vadim calls the space of variations, or the infinite world, the Akashic records, however we want to quantify it. But that is synonymous with the dream world. That was a huge light-bulb moment for me.

Speaker 1 - Helen Taylor, Host: I hear you. I call it the material world, and I say it has a 24-hour delay on it. That's just my way of putting it in a nutshell: whatever you were doing yesterday, 24 hours ago, is turning up now. The outside world is a reflection of what's been going on inside.

Speaker 2 - Owen Hunt / Bootsy Greenwood, Guest: That's very well put. That is another concept he puts forth in that book: we're basically standing on the edge of a dual mirror and bringing into this reality, from that other one, whatever we project into that mirror over time.

[Heart, Mind, Identity, and Materialization]

Speaker 1 - Helen Taylor, Host: Have you started to figure out what happens when we understand the mechanics of life? At one point, I started realizing I had seven-year cycles in my life. I started joining the dots together from my past, and it was showing me that it had always been heading me in the direction I am now. I suppose that's insight.

Have you found that the more you learn the mechanics of how this world works, the clearer you get on your past and your future?

Speaker 2 - Owen Hunt / Bootsy Greenwood, Guest: I think so. I also think complications can come in, because the mind is so good at looking for patterns and really wanting certainty. The mind really wants certainty. If we let it take the lead, if we let it have control, then we can box ourselves in, put limits on things, and not see opportunities that are very close to us.

Whereas, when we open up the mind and it becomes like our co-pilot, the heart can really lead. It can move in its direction and go on the path it wants to go down, and the mind can come along as an amazing tool. It's an incredible pattern-recognition device. I'm not trying to criticize the mind. I love the mind; I'm a big fan.

Speaker 1 - Helen Taylor, Host: I hear you, because you know that mental energy is listening right now. You're doing the same as me. Every now and then, you have to stroke it and go, "It's okay. I'm not going to kill you off. I just want you to sit in the passenger seat instead of the driver's seat."

Speaker 2 - Owen Hunt / Bootsy Greenwood, Guest: Absolutely. The heart is what's connected to that space of infinity. The heart is what goes out into the dream world and sees all these crazy creatures we've never seen in real life. We're like, "What is that?" If somebody has six noses, we're like, "What? That doesn't happen in reality."

The heart is connected to the infinite world, the world of eternity, the space of variations, the Akashic records. The mind has its awareness in the physical world. It's really good at logistics, understanding patterns, figuring out strategies, and doing those types of things.

Together, they're the ultimate team-up: the masculine mind and the feminine heart. That feminine heart is living in the space of variations and infinity, while the mind is grounded here in material reality. When we're aligned between those two parts of ourselves, that's when we can do our best work, access our genius, and do things we didn't even know we were capable of.

Speaker 1 - Helen Taylor, Host: And you've had those experiences, because you're talking from experience, aren't you?

Speaker 2 - Owen Hunt / Bootsy Greenwood, Guest: I am. If I were to go back 10 years, to when I first discovered the book, I was a bartender. I had no real direction in life. I was a creative person and had some skills and talents, but I didn't know what I was supposed to do. I didn't have any real motivation. I didn't feel inspired. I was just stuck, living a very monotonous, boring, day-to-day Groundhog Day.

When I found the book, it woke that part of me up and helped me realize, "Oh my God, I don't have to live an unfulfilled life. I can live an inspired and successful life." Since that time, I have done some pretty cool things, things I didn't think I would ever be able to do.

Yes, I think I'm just getting started. Somebody might be like, "Well, why haven't you levitated? Why haven't you done X, Y, or Z?" It's like, okay, look, I get it. I feel like I'm just getting started. But, compared to where I was 10 years ago, my growth has been exponential. It's not even calculable, really. I've found that to be true with a lot of my friends, my clients, and people in my life who have also found this model and begun to apply it.

Speaker 1 - Helen Taylor, Host: I just wrote down, "You out-you yourself." There are different versions of us, aren't there?

Speaker 2 - Owen Hunt / Bootsy Greenwood, Guest: I'm not even the same person I was last year. Not even the same person.

Speaker 1 - Helen Taylor, Host: That's what I try to explain to people. I ask, "Are you the same person you were when you were 10 years old?" No. When we're young and going into high school, we talk ourselves, think ourselves, and rehearse ourselves into being who we're going to be when we leave high school. That's another version. But at some point along the way, I think we stop creating it. We stop focusing on it. That's what it sounds like happened with you in the bar: we become at the mercy of life instead of choosing and creating what we want.

Speaker 2 - Owen Hunt / Bootsy Greenwood, Guest: Yes. That's the operative word: choosing. People talk a lot about manifestation. I think that's technically accurate. I like to use the word "materialization" instead, because it has a different connotation.

The idea is to learn to consciously choose. That means opening up to possibility, allowing the heart to lead, and using the mind to take action. We use those feminine and masculine principles as we move forward in the flow, see opportunities and potentials, and actualize or materialize them as we move along.

[Thoughts, Awareness, and the Space Before Response]

Speaker 1 - Helen Taylor, Host: How did you control your mind, Owen?

Speaker 2 - Owen Hunt / Bootsy Greenwood, Guest: Lots of practice, and I still have a lot of work to do. In large part, I don't think we really control thoughts. I think we can direct them. That is more accurate, at least in the way I experience it.

I remember reading Eckhart Tolle in maybe 2013 or 2014: The Power of Now, and A New Earth too, but especially The Power of Now. That was the first time I ever noticed a space between my thoughts, or was able to let the internal dialogue lag for a second. That was a huge moment for me. It really shifted my awareness and what I thought was possible.

Speaker 1 - Helen Taylor, Host: That's a nice way of explaining it, because people listening will know what it is like to have a mind that talks nonstop. It can be critical. It can be judgmental. It has opinions about me, you, and everybody else. It doesn't change overnight; it is a process.

Speaker 2 - Owen Hunt / Bootsy Greenwood, Guest: Yes. I remember fighting it, arguing with it, and also making friends with it. I tried all sorts of different strategies until I realized that it's not me. It's just not me.

So many things we've been told in our lives are programs and lies. They really are. That is the beginning: to separate yourself from the thoughts. We think we are the thoughts, but the thoughts just happen.

I still get thoughts like that. Fortunately, I've built enough awareness and practice that, for the most part, I'm able to identify and notice them when they come. I still fall asleep sometimes; no one is perfect.

For instance, when I'm sitting at dinner and someone's jaw is clicking or they're smacking their food, I might have the thought, "Why are you masticating so loudly?" The word "masticating" is funny, but I hear those thoughts and feel those feelings, and I recognize, "Okay, I am experiencing this in a way, and I also know that's not me." There is some space between the stimulus and the response.

Speaker 1 - Helen Taylor, Host: Yes: space. Paying attention. Awareness. You're absolutely right.

So we're not the thoughts, and we're not the mind. Even up until now, science is still a concept; it is not proven or anything else. If we're not the mind, who are we? What are we? What is it that you think is listening and operating?

Speaker 2 - Owen Hunt / Bootsy Greenwood, Guest: That's such a good question, and I'm not sure anyone really knows the truth. We can only get so close to that answer.

I think who we are, in this world, is how we define ourselves. Whatever you think your identity is, that is how you are going to act in this world. Whatever that concept of self is for you, that is what you're going to project and put forward.

Is that who you really are? I don't think so. I would say that we are infinite creations. We are a part of infinity, and because of that, we're truly limitless.

I think, in this incarnation, we have a personality. We have the shape of our soul. I don't think we come into the world as a blank slate. The heart has a personality. When you see babies, some are loud and boisterous, while some are quiet and calm. They all have these natural personalities when they come in.

The mind, though, I would argue, is a blank slate. It can learn any language. It can conform to any customs or manners within a society. So we have this development happening in the mind, where it needs to conform to the structures we're a part of in order to be okay and safe.

Then we have the heart saying, "Hey, I'm in this amazing Earth experience for only so long, and I want to do X, Y, and Z. I'm really excited about it. That's what I want to do." Sometimes, when we let the mind lead, it shoves the heart down and represses those longings. We wind up becoming a shell or husk of ourselves, or working in a bar, not knowing what we want, lost and misdirected, and not really understanding who we are.

Speaker 1 - Helen Taylor, Host: We're a presence. We come into this world as a presence of some sort. We are present here, and, like you said, we bring that presence into bodies and into different things for different people. That's the uniqueness, isn't it?

Then we're taught to create the mind. I call the mind the hard drive of a computer. It remembers everything it has heard, watched, read, and everything going on. It's a beautiful hard drive full of information. But that's its limit, isn't it?

Speaker 2 - Owen Hunt / Bootsy Greenwood, Guest: It really is. When we change the operating system in that mind, it starts to react and interact with the world differently, and with ourselves differently. We start to see that we're capable of much more, and that there are other gifts and talents we may have, develop, and express.

Then the heart becomes more and more engaged in this life. I think that's fulfillment and self-actualization: really feeling like we're on our purpose and doing the thing in life that we came to do and be.

[Heart-Mind Alignment, Pain, and Helen's Life Shift]

Speaker 1 - Helen Taylor, Host: Years ago, I wrote a little "ism." I said, "I won't do anything unless my heart and mind are in it together." I started to recognize that if they were working separately, I had different outcomes and different things going on around me.

If I'm in two minds, I don't do anything. I wait. I push life away, push opportunities away. It sounds very counterintuitive, because everybody has been taught to grab everything that's coming at you, wrestle with it, move it, change it, and reposition it. For me, I push it away because it will come back. Everything is flowing, right?

Speaker 2 - Owen Hunt / Bootsy Greenwood, Guest: Yes. There are different approaches to this. I like that a lot: to stay open and not just take the first thing that comes, but really play with it, knowing, "Oh, yes, this feels right," while the mind is excited to put the puzzle together. When that happens, that's when you know it is right for you. It's both of them at the same time.

The mind is like, "Ooh, fun. We get to figure out this road trip," or whatever it is. The heart is like, "I can't wait to get out on the road and see all these beautiful places." That's an amazing alignment. I think that's a key indicator.

Speaker 1 - Helen Taylor, Host: That's a great way of explaining it, because now you're talking about the mind having a job. I find it gets happy and excited when you say, "Work this out. Go figure that out." But I'm going to have some fun. I'm going to enjoy things.

All the programming we have out there tells us that life is supposed to be hard and tough. I've even discovered, and I'm going to put this out there right now, that thinking we're here for pain and suffering, and that pain and suffering teach us and are part of growth, is about the biggest lie I've ever heard. What if it's just a program?

Speaker 2 - Owen Hunt / Bootsy Greenwood, Guest: That's an interesting take. I think pain can be a motivator. If someone has an addiction, sometimes they have to hit rock bottom, and they experience pain that becomes a catalyst for change. I don't think it has to be, to your point. We can take initiative, anticipate change, and be proactive in our growth, as opposed to waiting for pain to happen.

If I had known, before 2016, that it was possible to move in that direction, then that's exactly what I would have done. I may have been trying, and spinning my wheels in the mud a little bit, even before that. Once I figured that out, I could move, and I believe that's what I'm doing now: moving before I'm prompted by pain.

Speaker 1 - Helen Taylor, Host: Absolutely. As you start to remove yourself from the programs, or recognize them, it's a bit like in The Matrix. Do you remember the bit when they're in the ship and they come up through the clouds, and all of a sudden there's this moment of sunshine? When you're navigating the programs and tuning into your heart, you have moments of insight.

One of my moments was, "Oh my gosh, pain and suffering are made up." They are also made up and taught to us as motivators and tools. If you're in one of those programs, it is really difficult.

I was a drug addict. I stopped. I switched from one version of myself to a new version of myself overnight. I stopped drugs; I had no withdrawals; and I started planning my escape route, my new life.

That event happened decades ago, but it is the one thing that has always stayed with me. I kept asking, "How did that happen? How did that happen?" It led me to having a conversation with you right now, and to everything I've done up until now, to realize what you're talking to people about: the central nervous system and adjusting out.

Leading up to the day I stopped drugs, I was rehearsing my escape. I was saying, "If I leave, I'm going to get this job. I'm going to live here. I'm going to do this. I'm going to do that." There were little moments of rehearsing and adjusting, rehearsing and adjusting, leading to one mammoth event on the day I was about to stop.

Somebody put their hands around my throat to kill me. In that moment, I said in my mind, "I'll do whatever it takes." At that moment, mind, body, and spirit were in complete alignment, and something shifted. The next morning, I woke up with no doubt, no fear, and no drug addiction.

All my life, I've been trying to figure that out, and I have now. Reality Transurfing was a key part of understanding how I made that shift.

Speaker 2 - Owen Hunt / Bootsy Greenwood, Guest: That's incredible and amazing to hear. The concepts in that book completely changed the way I saw the world, even just the first three chapters. You don't necessarily have to read the whole book. Read the first three chapters, implement those first three principles, and see whether your life changes.

Speaker 1 - Helen Taylor, Host: Absolutely. I always looked back at that event and said, "I'm not exceptional. I am just the same as everybody else. How did I do it?" I was patient enough to wait decades to get the bits and pieces and the answer.

If that doesn't inspire people to realize they can shift out of their current version and choose a new version of themselves, I don't know what will. Start rehearsing it now.

Speaker 2 - Owen Hunt / Bootsy Greenwood, Guest: That's great. I love the idea of rehearsal.

One of the concepts is to be the participant and the observer in the play. We're on stage, and we're also witnessing ourselves on stage. We're the writer, director, producer, and actor of whatever it is we're experiencing.

I love that idea of rehearsal, because it puts our entire system in a position to experience that which we would like to experience. Once that feels comfortable and natural to us, it becomes pretty easy to choose that experience for ourselves.

[The Nervous System, the Terror Barrier, and Changing Behavior]

Speaker 1 - Helen Taylor, Host: I've heard you speak about the central nervous system. That's the part that sabotages us. Can you explain that for people? Everybody knows what it is like to try and achieve something, then find yourself right back where you started.

Speaker 2 - Owen Hunt / Bootsy Greenwood, Guest: Our nervous system and our brain work together to keep us safe. One thing that helps me understand the mind and these processes of change is to look through the lens of tribal society. If we go back a few hundred or a few thousand years, we were tribal human beings.

Our nervous system wants to keep us safe, and we are herd animals, ultimately. We're part of a tribe, perhaps a tribe of about a hundred, if we go back far enough. Everybody has their duty and their place within the tribe. If you were to threaten the tribal leader, you could be in a lot of trouble and get excommunicated from the tribe. That means you have to fend for yourself. You have bears, wolves, and tigers to deal with.

Speaker 1 - Helen Taylor, Host: Not to mention a hell of a lot of worry and anxiety.

Speaker 2 - Owen Hunt / Bootsy Greenwood, Guest: That's right. You have to find your own food, and you have no shelter. We evolved in groups, as creatures in a herd or tribe. Our nervous system is programmed to keep us safe.

Whenever we challenge the current level we're at, the lifeline we're on, the story we're telling, or the identity we believe we have, our nervous system says, "Wait a second. Hold on just a minute." The brain says, "You need to give me proof. I can't take this on faith. You've got to show me and prove to me that this is okay."

Speaker 1 - Helen Taylor, Host: We're also trained to identify negative things. We can see those negative things in our environment much more quickly.

Speaker 2 - Owen Hunt / Bootsy Greenwood, Guest: Immediately, yes. We want to perceive threats.

Speaker 1 - Helen Taylor, Host: It's the warning system, isn't it? It says, "Alert. Look out."

Speaker 2 - Owen Hunt / Bootsy Greenwood, Guest: Exactly. Those things jump into our reality much more quickly. But we can shift that.

There was a man named Bob Proctor, whom many people probably know. He talked about what he called the "terror barrier." He would say that, when our nervous system is being challenged, and we're going into a higher-pressure situation, evolving and growing, the nervous system tenses up, clenches, and gets tighter.

If we can approach that situation with a positive attitude, knowing we're going through growth, we can actually level up. What happens with most people is that we get into that situation, we feel uncomfortable, and we don't push through that threshold.

Speaker 1 - Helen Taylor, Host: We retreat.

Speaker 2 - Owen Hunt / Bootsy Greenwood, Guest: Exactly. Then it's a never-ending cycle, where we're doing the same thing over and over again. That's insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.

We have to find a way to move through that threshold. If we can approach it with a positive attitude, knowing that we are growing, then we can actually level up, jump timelines, move into another reality, or shift our identity. But it takes conscious movement and a positive outlook as we're going into something that scares the crap out of us.

Speaker 1 - Helen Taylor, Host: Thank you. That's a good way of explaining it. Everybody knows what that is about, and you do too.

This is behavior you're talking about. The old version of us behaved in a certain way and had a certain attitude, but we're stepping into a new version of ourselves. We have to rehearse that behavior as well, don't we? Tell everybody about what just happened to you with the film of your recent talk. That's behavior. I want them to hear the shifting behavior.

Speaker 2 - Owen Hunt / Bootsy Greenwood, Guest: Sure. For many years, I didn't know that the way I responded or reacted to things that happened to me would ultimately have an effect. I might spiral, get more upset, and then things would get worse and worse.

What I've learned is that, whenever we can take things in stride and not lose our minds - not that it's wrong to be a little upset, or to grieve the loss of something or someone; of course that's fine and human - but whenever we learn to move through frustrations with a better attitude, and allow things to be as they are instead of fighting against reality, very often new things open up. We get better opportunities, and there are advantages as we move through that discomfort.

Speaker 1 - Helen Taylor, Host: What you're saying is that somebody gets upset about something. You get upset, punch the air, and do whatever it is you need to do. But most people then go and tell a friend, then tell another friend, and the next day they wake up and they're still saying, "Oh, what happened to me yesterday." That's behavior, and that's no good.

Speaker 2 - Owen Hunt / Bootsy Greenwood, Guest: It's constriction, too. We get tighter and tighter, and try to control more and more. If we really want to open up to what is possible for us and find our potential, that comes through letting go. It comes through release, not control. [Unclear phrase regarding control leading down a destructive rabbit hole.]

Letting go is where the mystics have found enlightenment and been able to do miracles and amazing things.

Recently, I did a talk at Confluence in Texas, which is an amazing festival. It was the biggest talk I've done, and I was so excited about it.

Speaker 1 - Helen Taylor, Host: You were leveling up.

Speaker 2 - Owen Hunt / Bootsy Greenwood, Guest: Absolutely, I was, and I still am from that. It was an amazing opportunity and an amazing group of people. I met tons of folks and got to connect with a lot of people. It was awesome.

Speaker 1 - Helen Taylor, Host: Can I just ask one question? Catherine Austin Fitts - did you meet her?

Speaker 2 - Owen Hunt / Bootsy Greenwood, Guest: Oh, she was amazing. She was amazing.

Speaker 1 - Helen Taylor, Host: I watched. I'm jealous.

Speaker 2 - Owen Hunt / Bootsy Greenwood, Guest: She was very positive, too. I was really excited. I loved her take on things. There were so many people there. I was fanboying out the whole time. It was awesome.

For some reason, I have everything on my SD cards - I have my SD cards literally right here - and I came home intending to upload the recording so I could start editing and send things over.

Speaker 1 - Helen Taylor, Host: You filmed your presentation?

Speaker 2 - Owen Hunt / Bootsy Greenwood, Guest: I filmed my speech, my chat, my workshop, whatever you want to call it. For some reason, it is not on this SD card.

This morning, I was like, "Oh man." Of course I was disappointed and a little frustrated. An older version of me would have said, "Whose fault is this?" I would start blaming people, then beat myself up, then my whole day would get ruined, and all these things would begin to happen.

Speaker 1 - Helen Taylor, Host: Absolutely. You would spiral down.

Speaker 2 - Owen Hunt / Bootsy Greenwood, Guest: But I realized, "Getting mad and upset about this - where does that lead?" It doesn't lead anywhere good, and it won't bring the footage back. It is just tightness, control, and constriction.

So I asked, "Can I just accept this? Can I let it go that I don't have this footage and I won't be able to put it out as a YouTube video or whatever?" Cool. Yes, I can do that.

Then it allowed me the opportunity to share the experience and connect with people. There are some amazing comments in the school group underneath that post, from people who have had amazing experiences. Who knows what comes of that? Once we get on the other side and let go, we say, "Okay, it is what it is. I accept it for what it is." Maybe I get another opportunity. Maybe something else comes from that.

I already have a talk in Austin that very likely came from the Confluence one. There will probably be about a hundred people there in person for a live workshop in Austin, Texas. That's incredible, and I'm extremely happy about it.

I don't know what else will come of this necessarily. But the fact that I have changed into the type of person who can say, "Okay, I lost the footage. Bummer. That's too bad. Fine, I'll make another video. I'll do another talk. I'll continue to move in the same direction," means it is not going to stop me. I'm not going to let it ruin my day. I'm not going to get upset with people or blame anyone else.

Speaker 1 - Helen Taylor, Host: Isn't that wonderful? Are you giving yourself a hug and a pat on the back? It's palpable when you recognize the incredible change you've made within yourself.

Speaker 2 - Owen Hunt / Bootsy Greenwood, Guest: It is. Self-compassion is really powerful. I encourage people to look into it. It makes a huge difference. When we don't react, and we allow things to be as they are, it gives us so much more power and the ability to be more proactive.

Speaker 1 - Helen Taylor, Host: Again, it's that space between stimulus and response widening. We're still connected with consciousness, or the Akashic field, or whatever the field is.

You talked about being constricted. If you start to get angry and upset and go into all that old behavior, that's constriction. But you chose to behave in an open way, and that opens you to a million possibilities. Even as I'm listening to you, I'm thinking, "I wonder if somebody in the audience recorded it." There are so many different ways to look at something.

Speaker 2 - Owen Hunt / Bootsy Greenwood, Guest: Absolutely. I had fun. I connected with amazing people. That's the gift. Being able to put it out on YouTube would be great. I already have several videos and workshops on my channel. This was a big one for me, and of course it was the one I made the most important.

[Reducing Importance and Letting Life Flow]

Speaker 1 - Helen Taylor, Host: Absolutely. I recognized this years ago. I had moments in my life where I would be about to declare something, but something in me would stop me. I didn't realize it at the time, but it was this whole thing about importance. I knew that, if I declared something, I was going to place some sort of importance on it.

Please explain importance for people, because it is important to know.

Speaker 2 - Owen Hunt / Bootsy Greenwood, Guest: Ironically, yes.

I always heard about detachment in Eastern religion: detachment, attachment, and being attached to things. It never really landed for me, because there are certain things I want to be attached to. I don't think I need to detach. It seems cold, frigid, almost reptilian, to detach from everything in the material world. I never really jived with that perspective.

What Vadim talks about, and how he reframes this idea, is that everything you put a bunch of importance on becomes more difficult to reach. If you sit around and fantasize about something, you make it a big deal. If you obsess about your performance constantly, it gives you many more nerves before you go on. It makes you more tense. It creates a bunch of what he would call excess potential.

Speaker 1 - Helen Taylor, Host: Yes.

Speaker 2 - Owen Hunt / Bootsy Greenwood, Guest: Importance creates excess potential. Now it is even harder to do the thing you initially wanted to do.

One way he illustrates the point is this: put a two-by-four on the ground and walk across it. Now put a two-by-four across two skyscrapers that are 1,500 feet in the air and walk across that.

Speaker 1 - Helen Taylor, Host: Yes. I like it.

Speaker 2 - Owen Hunt / Bootsy Greenwood, Guest: It's the same two-by-four. If we're dancing on a two-by-four on the ground, nobody even cares. It's just two inches off the ground. It's the exact same two-by-four and the same set of skills required to walk across it. But now, all of a sudden, it's a big deal.

The idea of importance affects us in a profound way. Once I realized that, it helped me understand, reframe, calm down, and let go much more.

That's a great way to think about it instead of attachment, because we can reduce importance. We don't have to sever attachment and cut everything off. That seems so extreme. Maybe there's something in translation, but when I heard it shared that way, it really landed for me and helped me.

Speaker 1 - Helen Taylor, Host: Yes. It's language. It's starting to find the language. When I first started experiencing detachment, I had to question myself and ask if I was a cold-hearted bitch, because I started to feel a space between myself and someone else's story, or what was going on for them.

What I now see as detachment is just allowing things to flow. It gives space. It's just a word for that space. You're still an emotional, compassionate human being, but you're allowing everybody else to have their story and their movement, and allowing life to have its movement.

Speaker 2 - Owen Hunt / Bootsy Greenwood, Guest: Absolutely. It opens up. Space is great. It's that idea of space between stimulus and response. Anything we're really sticky to, we're entangled with, and that entanglement makes us frustrated, tighten up, and clench.

Speaker 1 - Helen Taylor, Host: It makes a barrier, doesn't it? You talked about Vadim's example of the plank, the plank of wood. Life takes the path of least resistance. When you've got the plank on the floor, you don't get anxious, worried, or overthink. But when it is high up in the air, you become the resistance.

Speaker 2 - Owen Hunt / Bootsy Greenwood, Guest: Yes. That's exactly right. Life will either knock you right off that piece of wood, or it will go past you.

Speaker 1 - Helen Taylor, Host: It will push you back so you don't go across, or it will push you over the edge.

Speaker 2 - Owen Hunt / Bootsy Greenwood, Guest: Exactly right. That's a really good way to put it: you become the resistance. Nature follows the path of least resistance. Water flows downhill every single time. It finds the most efficient path, and we can do that, too.

Speaker 1 - Helen Taylor, Host: Learn that we are following the same rules and laws as nature herself.

Speaker 2 - Owen Hunt / Bootsy Greenwood, Guest: Good point. That was an excellent little segue. That's Reality Transurfing in a nutshell.

Speaker 1 - Helen Taylor, Host: It is. There are so many concepts in there.

Speaker 2 - Owen Hunt / Bootsy Greenwood, Guest: Yes. I think the application doesn't need to be so much in our heads. It's something we want to live and experience more than understand, pontificate about, or calculate. It's more fun to do it than it is to talk about it.

Speaker 1 - Helen Taylor, Host: Yes, because talking is limited. But I also know that, as we're having this conversation, we're lighting up and triggering things for people listening. That's what conversations are all about. They help you have a light-bulb moment, consider something, or look at it differently. I know that we are all predominantly energy, and energy is sparking energy.

Speaker 2 - Owen Hunt / Bootsy Greenwood, Guest: Absolutely. Having a conversation and sharing our experiences helps other people apply it and say, "It worked for them." Going back to the idea of herd mentality: if you see somebody fall off a cliff and they don't fly, you don't go off the cliff.

The same thing can be leveraged in a positive way. You see people who are successful, people who are using these principles, talking about them, and leveling themselves up. The same thing is possible for you.

The fact that we're having this conversation and sharing our experience is part of the hero's journey. I want people to go out there, play with this stuff, and actually experience it. Then we can debrief and talk about it. Part of the whole experience is to apply it and then share it.

Speaker 1 - Helen Taylor, Host: Yes. We're here to experience life itself. We're in this mind and body, so we learn how that operates. We learn how the world operates on a quantum level and start having some fun with it. Why not have some fun?

[Recognizing Programs and Closing]

Speaker 1 - Helen Taylor, Host: How do you recognize a program, Owen?

Speaker 2 - Owen Hunt / Bootsy Greenwood, Guest: That's something I think takes conscious awareness. For me, I focus on sensations in my body, and I start to see the recurrence of a pattern. A program might show itself as tension in the chest, a certain loop of thoughts, or a certain reaction. That is how I begin to pull it back and see that it is, in fact, a program and not necessarily myself.

What are we? We are this infinite creation mixed with biological drives and an ego that has a concept of itself. What are those concepts that we believe we are? What are those drives? How can we start to pull those things apart a little bit, so we can see our true essence? Then we can bring the whole system back together, choose, and allow our personality and our true essence to come forward.

That's something to explore deeply. But, as we let go of those reactions and triggers, anything that is triggering us is a program. If I had to recognize it in one word, it's a trigger.

Speaker 1 - Helen Taylor, Host: I love what you said about our true nature. You could even turn it the other way around and ask, "What is my true nature?" Then, anytime you're not aligning with that or behaving that way, you can ask, "Is there a program around?" You can look at it from either angle.

I was trying to think of the name of an Irish comedian, but I can't remember his name. He was very funny. He was talking about what it would be like if we could see all the technology, all the invisible Wi-Fi and connections and everything else. He started off with farts, of all things: what if they were colored and you could see them? Then, what if all the thoughts between each other and everything else were color, and you could see them?

What if people could see that they are completely surrounded, at all moments in time, by a whole bunch of programs? Vadim calls them pendulums. Other people call them egregores. There are all sorts of names for them, but boy, they're real.

Speaker 2 - Owen Hunt / Bootsy Greenwood, Guest: Absolutely, they are. We see the expression of them, but we don't see them directly. If you look at a crowd and the way a crowd acts, or if you go to a football match, you see how people do things outside of their own character on behalf of these programs, pendulums, egregores, or whatever language we use. We can see the expression of the thing, not so much the thing itself.

Once we create some space between ourselves and those programs, it becomes much easier to understand ourselves, pull back the layers of conditioning, and allow that essence to shine forward.

Speaker 1 - Helen Taylor, Host: Oh my gosh. Thirty seconds to go. I cannot believe it. I have lots of other things to talk about. Well, another time.

Speaker 2 - Owen Hunt / Bootsy Greenwood, Guest: I'd love to.

Speaker 1 - Helen Taylor, Host: Owen, I'm going to put the link to the school, your school. Can you tell people a little bit about that?

Speaker 2 - Owen Hunt / Bootsy Greenwood, Guest: Sure. I have a school group and a school. If you want to look me up and find it, it's pretty easy: just type in Bootsy Greenwood. I had to use my screen name, or stage name, because of SEO complications with my actual birth name. That's why I go by Bootsy Greenwood.

If anyone searches for that, that's my handle on all social media platforms. It's my website and everything else. It's Bootsy Greenwood - bootsygreenwood.com.

Speaker 1 - Helen Taylor, Host: I'll put the link to your YouTube page as well.

Speaker 2 - Owen Hunt / Bootsy Greenwood, Guest: Absolutely.

Speaker 1 - Helen Taylor, Host: I'm recommending to everybody out there: get into the school and get doing some work on this, because we are now in a quantum world, and this stuff helps you make sense of the whole thing.

Speaker 2 - Owen Hunt / Bootsy Greenwood, Guest: It really does. I try to take the concepts and make them as simple as possible. I'm really pleased and proud to be able to share the information. It's an honor, I enjoy it, and I want people to come and check it out. I hope they will.

Speaker 1 - Helen Taylor, Host: The school group is awesome. You do workshops in there and all kinds of fun stuff, so please check it out. Step into the new version of yourself.

Speaker 2 - Owen Hunt / Bootsy Greenwood, Guest: Absolutely. Yes. Let's go. I want to see you do your thing. Let's see you shine your essence, your light, and accomplish your purpose.

Speaker 1 - Helen Taylor, Host: Absolutely. Thank you. Thank you so much, Owen. It's been a pleasure.

Speaker 2 - Owen Hunt / Bootsy Greenwood, Guest: Thank you, Helen.

Speaker 1 - Helen Taylor, Host: Okay.