Awakening Beyond the Matrix: Truth, Healing, Natural Law, and the Search for Freedom

Speaker Identification

Speaker 1 – Host
The host identifies herself at the beginning as Helen Taylor and introduces the show, the guest, and the topics.

Speaker 2 – Guest
The guest is introduced by the host as Alex Saunders, creator of the independent platform Nugget's News. He is the primary interview guest throughout the conversation.

Speaker 1 – Host:
Hi everyone, I’m Helen Taylor. Welcome to my show, Inspired Radio. I’m here with you every Wednesday at 10:00 a.m. Melbourne, Australia time, and Tuesday at 7:00 p.m. Central Time for Canada and the U.S., for conversations and stories to inspire you.

This is the BBS Radio TV platform. We’re going live to over 200 outlets worldwide. Before we get started, I’d like to say thank you to my sponsors, to the sponsors of the show. Thank you, thank you, thank you.

Inspired Radio is all about change, getting uncomfortable, and shaking up the status quo, because we are currently breaking free from limiting systems and limiting lives, and embracing our infinite potential. My guests are here to tell their stories, because storytelling is creating a new world.

Today on the show, we’re joined by Alex Saunders, who is creator of an independent platform called Nugget’s News. Since launching the channel in 2017, Alex has built a strong following through wide-ranging conversations with guests who sit outside mainstream media circles and often challenge conventional narratives.

His interviews have included international figures such as David Icke, Icke Lucas, Mark Devlin, and Max Igan, and even local voices too, like Craig Cole, Tom Barnett, Rachel Vaughan, and Dale Holmes. Topics include transhumanism, Big Pharma, governments, pedophilia, health, consciousness, crypto, UFOs, our history, Tartaria. No topic is off limits. Welcome, Alex.

Speaker 2 – Guest:
Thanks for having me, Helen. I look forward to getting into all the good stuff today.

Speaker 1 – Host:
Isn’t that great? I want to say to everybody before we get started, for the last 15 years I’ve gone down many, many rabbit holes, which you absolutely understand. As I was doing that, I was making a little bit of a directory. I had a document, and I’d put in what I found and a link to where I found it. I started compiling all these things.

I got asked to do public speaking in 2022 about a lot of things that I had discovered, and I found that just about every link I had collected was gone, expired, or deleted from history. So I really look at your YouTube channel as a directory of all the rabbit holes that everybody wants to go down.

Speaker 2 – Guest:
It’s certainly become that way. As you go down these rabbit holes, as I have for many, many years now, you kind of put it all together, all the jigsaw pieces of what is going on. It is really amazing and enlightening to do all that.

Speaker 1 – Host:
Absolutely. That’s why I suggest to people, firstly, we’re going to put your YouTube link and your website link with the show notes here. But if everybody wants to start putting those pieces together, as you beautifully said it, they just need to go to your website, your YouTube, and start trawling through the different speakers and start learning and listening that way. I think it’s wonderful.

Speaker 2 – Guest:
Absolutely. These days, it’s short-form content as well. The reels and TikTok and stuff, and people’s attention spans have gotten shorter. We’ve tried to focus more on that, because that’s just the reality. People are time-poor and attention spans are lower.

I’ve been trying to explain concepts that are kind of deep and difficult to understand, and break them down into 90 seconds or three minutes, as well as the long-format stuff these days.

Speaker 1 – Host:
Yes. I actually did hear the other day that somebody said the general attention span is eight seconds. Wow. Eight seconds. Everyone’s just scrolling and scrolling.

Speaker 2 – Guest:
Absolutely. You’ve got to keep people’s attention. But the fact is that truth is stranger than fiction. I used to think history was boring at school and stuff, but once you find out our true history, it’s just more incredible than any movie. That’s what brings people in. People don’t become a conspiracy theorist or a truther and then go back into the Matrix. There’s only one way when you start finding out the truth.

Speaker 1 – Host:
That’s a good point. There’s no going back when you open that door. So tell me, you’ve got a platform with all of these different topics and subjects and people on it. What are you trying to figure out?

Speaker 2 – Guest:
I think I’ve kind of gotten to the bottom of the rabbit hole for the most part now about what’s really going on. It’s just trying to get people to live a better life or know the truth. Knowledge is power.

So many people feel a bit lost in the modern world. A lot of the basic human needs are getting harder and harder to meet. Everyone is stressed and time-poor. Once you find out the truth, you realize that things don’t have to be this way. There is a far better way, where everyone could have abundance.

It’s a very small group of evil people who have gotten themselves into these positions of power across every discipline that are making things this way. There are a lot more of us than them. Once everyone realizes what’s going on, people are going to stop listening to these people and paying taxes to these people. We’re going to go back to local community and healthy food. It’s going to be amazing, but it’s going to take some time for this change to occur.

Speaker 1 – Host:
It can’t happen fast enough, that’s for sure.

Speaker 2 – Guest:
It’s happening faster than ever at the moment. It’s good to see after researching this for 25 years.

Speaker 1 – Host:
You’ve been 25 years at it?

Speaker 2 – Guest:
Yes. I first got into conspiracies, or the truth movement, in grade six or seven when we got the internet. The first thing I remember searching was UFOs and aliens. This was in 1999 or 2000. Shortly after that was September 11th and researching all that.

Around the global financial crisis, I really started to go a lot deeper. I was at university by that stage, studying pharmacy. I was always fascinated, and I’d always been really sporty. I wanted to know: how does the body work, how does the brain work, and all that sort of stuff.

I had a lot of spare time between classes, so I was watching all these documentaries about the global financial crisis and getting really deep into these banking families that run the world, how they got bailed out, and all that stuff. I became a bit of a gold and silver bug at that point.

A couple of years later, I read about Bitcoin and thought, wow, this is our best chance to decentralize systems, encryption, and privacy. These are all the things the world needs, with the way big technology is going and all that sort of thing. It has just been a gradual process of researching more and more of what’s really going on and what this New World Order system is that they’re trying to push us into.

Speaker 1 – Host:
So you’re talking about primary school. You were already questioning things.

Speaker 2 – Guest:
Yes. I look back, and I don’t know what that was in me that made me see the world differently or question things. You can talk to my friends, and they’ll say at school I was kind of like that, a bit of a weirdo. I was still sporty, but I always had little theories and things I was researching on the side. I just saw the world differently.

Even when I was studying pharmacy, I was very much into nutrition and plant medicines as well. That was one of those things where I seem to have had a lot of duality in my life already, where you learn the extreme of one and the extreme of the other, and come to your own conclusions. This is how you have to conduct all your research.

After a few years of being a pharmacist, I worked out that all this is kind of corrupt and just making money for Big Pharma. None of this actually makes people healthy. The only way to restore health is through diet, exercise, getting toxins out of your body, and all these natural things.

Speaker 1 – Host:
Yes, I hear you. I remember when I first started working in law after I left school, I turned around to a lawyer one day. He wanted me to create a tax invoice. They were just called accounts and bills back then. I had this epiphany, a bit like things that were happening with you. I said, “This is just made up. This is just made up. If somebody doesn’t pay this, then the next thing you’re going to do is send them a letter of demand. If they don’t pay that within seven days, then you’re going to add costs onto it, and then you’re going to take them to court. This whole thing is just made up.”

Speaker 2 – Guest:
You can get deep into the whole legal system. The mainstream at the moment is trying to poo-poo that under the guise of sovereign citizens and stuff. But a lot of our law isn’t what it was originally even based on. You get into the straw man stuff, maritime law, and all this. Again, it’s a small group of people taking away more and more freedoms.

The tax and financial system can only extract money from everyone to give to the few, mathematically. All these systems are designed to keep us in this open-air prison that most people go their whole lives without questioning. We call it the Matrix, or whatever. Most people go their whole lives without ever questioning this.

Speaker 1 – Host:
I don’t want to simplify it and sound like I’m dismissing people who are having a hard time out there in the world, but it really is like somebody made a Monopoly game and somebody made up the games and the rules. They’ve got the rest of us playing the game without being aware of the instructions, the rules, or anything else.

Speaker 2 – Guest:
Yes. The only way you can get people to conform is through a war on consciousness and perception. This gets into the education system and the media. If no one ever tells you why things are the way they are, once you understand it, it’s just that light-bulb moment, the epiphany. People go, “Wow, there’s no way things have to be this way.”

Speaker 1 – Host:
Yes. What is it in us, though, Alex, that innate curiosity that you’ve had since it sounds like the day you were born, that gets you looking at things through different eyes? Did Mum encourage that? Did Dad encourage that in you, or was that just you?

Speaker 2 – Guest:
No, they never encouraged it. I think we had a bit of a sixth sense in our family. My grandma wrote a book about sixth sense in our family and experiences that she had. She was a career nurse. She did a whole family history book, and there was a whole chapter about all these unexplained things she’d seen at the hospital at or around death and all that sort of thing.

Maybe I got it genetically from her or whatnot. I think I had a couple of friends who were into this as well, a couple of people I could always chat to about it. But I think it was more just going down the rabbit hole of something like 9/11 very early on, or the banking system. Once you realize what really happened and how evil these people are who are pulling the strings, you start to work out their formula.

They do these psyops or mass-trauma events to bring in new laws to take away our freedoms, or whatever it is. They have a certain playbook of things they have to do, like problem, reaction, solution. You can kind of see through their plans when you know how they use occult symbology, numerology, and important dates. A lot of this is understanding what we call the occult.

People kind of think of the occult as maybe dark or evil, but occult just means hidden. All these people in secret societies, these powerful people, study a lot of this stuff because it has to do with how the mind works, human perception, and how you can program people to follow what you want them to do.

We’re in this situation now where Max Igan calls it the people farm. Most people are just being farmed for our money, for our tax, and for our energy as well. We can get into the spiritual side of all this. It doesn’t have to be this way. People only go along because they’ve never been shown another way to live through school, the media, or anything.

Speaker 1 – Host:
So there are instructions to how this world works, and they’re in the hands of a few, not the many. I’ve interviewed a lot of people, and I often get them to have a look at their childhood because there were events and things that happened that kind of show you the future of what your life is going to be. But I haven’t come across somebody who so clearly, like you, was just born to do what you’re doing right now.

Speaker 2 – Guest:
I think Max Igan spoke about when he was four, he saw the world very differently. Some people maybe, I don’t know, you can get into things like reincarnation, old souls, or just some people in different environments. I spent a lot of time alone in the bush. I grew up in Tasmania. I was outside from sunup to sundown, either playing sport or climbing trees or tinkering and stuff.

I don’t know if that sort of thing keeps you more in touch with nature, out of the Matrix, versus kids these days who grow up in apartments and barely touch grass, see the sun, or climb a tree. I’m not sure. I don’t have an answer.

Speaker 1 – Host:
I think you’ve just touched on it. I think you’ve just hit the nail on the head. Being integrally in the bush and in nature for a large part of your childhood, you were tuned into what some people call the collective consciousness, the Akashic Records, and all sorts of names for the energy we’re all intrinsically a part of. I think you just hit it there, because you were already tapped straight into the source of things.

Speaker 2 – Guest:
Absolutely. Another huge part was plant medicines as I got older. I was one of those people who had done party drugs at uni and stuff, but thought, “I don’t want to do those psychedelics and not be in control.” Then you have some experiences with mushrooms, DMT, and ayahuasca. Nothing will open your consciousness more to the possibilities that consciousness can kind of leave our body.

A lot of this stuff has been declassified now about remote viewing, astral projection, and experiments that they were doing. A lot of people, like our mutual friend Rachel Vaughan, and people doing energy work or this type of stuff that has always been labeled taboo, it’s very, very real. I’ve got friends who weren’t into this, and now they’ve worked on it and mastered it. They can do things like astral projection or controlling their dreams.

I think all of this stuff is natural, abilities that we’ve lost. Maybe everyone had them back in the day.

Speaker 1 – Host:
I think you’re absolutely right. I think everybody had them. We were born with them, and we’re all at different stages of reclaiming the truth of who we really are.

Speaker 2 – Guest:
Yes. I was just chatting to someone else this morning about the psychic schools they have now in Europe. I’m not sure if you’ve seen these videos with children and even adults where they’re completely blindfolding them and teaching them to see. It’s very clear that we have so many more powers than our physical senses and our physical body.

I think at the bottom of all this cover-up, they don’t want people to know how powerful we are, that we are spiritual beings. Some people want to call that your soul, your spirit, your consciousness, the divine spark, whatever. We have this light body that is within our nervous system and our brain, our pineal gland, this electricity that runs the physical body. But that light body can leave the body and have these other states of consciousness as well.

Speaker 1 – Host:
Absolutely. We are the greatest creative power on this planet, and we’re acting like a bunch of fish flapping around on a pier.

Speaker 2 – Guest:
Yes. Creativity, that creative spark, is super important to all this. For whatever reason, these people at the top who are evil and are doing these horrendous things to children, and all that worshiping Satan, Lucifer, Moloch, all these different deities, whatever name you want to give them, it’s evil.

They seem to be possessed, or to have lost their soul. They’ve lost that creative spark and they don’t have the creativity. As I said before, a lot of the psyops and things they’re doing now are not really that creative. They’re doing the same things. There’s nothing new under the sun, as they say.

The same tools, like debt-based money that were being used to enslave people a thousand years ago or whatever, it’s the same thing happening now. Poisoning the food, dumbing people down, not giving them important books, burning important books so they don’t know the true history. All those same things are happening now.

Then you look at how this has bled through into society. People say, “Look at the quality of music now versus beautiful old music.” There’s no creativity in music. Look at the movie industry. They’re just rehashing old movies or rehashing comic books. Human creativity has been stifled by these ruling elites in all the industries. People are feeling that now. That’s why they’re looking outside the traditional Matrix systems that had all the power and control, to alternate media stations like yours online.

Speaker 1 – Host:
We’ve just become so far away from the source of who we actually are. The further away we get has consequences for us. Even through your own life, you were connected with nature and really intrinsically a part of that. But then you go into the school system and the education system. Did you lose yourself in there? Did you lose that connection through school?

Speaker 2 – Guest:
I did. I would describe it as going back into the Matrix a bit for a few years. At one point in my twenties, I was meditating a lot and really into this stuff. When I got that job and was working as a pharmacist, nine to five, I had a partner at the time who just wanted to buy a house, have a nice car, maybe start a family by the time we were 30. Just the Matrix life. All my friends were kind of doing that as well. There were one or two who were into this stuff, but that was just life.

When I quit pharmacy in 2017 to start the YouTube channel, we were able to talk a little bit more about evil and corruption. We spoke a lot about Bitcoin, crypto, gold, and silver, but we still spoke about a few conspiracy things, corruption in the world, and whatnot.

For me, I had to hit rock bottom. I broke my back playing footy, and that started me on this slow path of getting addicted to painkillers. I was really badly addicted by the end of it. It was one of those things where everything was going so well and this was lingering in the background. The business was growing well, we were making lots of money, but I’d lost my soul a little bit.

Looking back on it now, trying to talk to people about what it’s like to be addicted to a substance, it’s almost like being possessed. This gets deep into Big Pharma, pharmakeia, and all that stuff. When you see addicts do bad things and you say, “How could someone do that?” it’s almost like you lose yourself.

For me, getting off those things and going through that withdrawal was almost like another reset on my path that had to happen. I had to almost lose everything and lose myself to start again, and then re-heal with plant medicines and get super, super healthy.

I really went down the rabbit hole of what the healthiest a human can be is, with sauna, cold plunging, nutritious food, filtering your water, detoxing. It took a few years to build back up to really be the best version of myself. I view that as my dark night of the soul, or hero’s journey, or whatever. I love it, even though it was very difficult.

Speaker 1 – Host:
I can hear you loud and clear. Thank you so much for sharing that part of things. That’s why I asked whether you got lost in the system. The system, I just see it as full of a bunch of programs. I like to see them like big thought bubbles all over the place, vying for your attention. The outside world wants you. It wants you caught up in consumerism and materialism. The programming really is: find a partner, settle down, have a job, have kids, and that’s it.

Along comes you, breaking your back, and then an addiction to painkillers. Let me just say right now, Alex, you’re speaking to an ex-drug addict. I was a drug addict and a drug dealer, so I’ve got an idea of some of what was going on in your world. But it’s the program, the outside world, the devil, or whatever you want to call it, anybody out there that is trying to pull you away from who you are.

Speaker 2 – Guest:
Absolutely. We can get into that spiritual war, when people talk about mind parasites or entities trying to feed off your negative energy. I’ve got a theory. I call it the dopamine-serotonin yin-yang in the brain.

Everything in our modern world is geared toward dopamine: money, fame, greed, porn addiction, gambling, vaping, all these vices that people can’t put down. Versus serotonin, which we’re not really taught a lot about: true connection, meditation, these plant medicines that were all made highly illegal because they act on these receptors that reconnect you with yourself, others, and nature.

I think this is where the pendulum is swinging now. You see things like breathwork, yoga, and psychedelics becoming legal. This is the pendulum swinging back. People are very aware now of social media being addictive and having dopamine detoxes from the screen, and all this stuff that wasn’t really in the public consciousness five or ten years ago.

Speaker 1 – Host:
When you’re talking about dopamine, you’re talking about spikes: spikes over and over again of excitement, of elation, of “I’ve got to have more. That was great.” Those quick hits that everybody is looking for. That’s the dopamine hit.

Speaker 2 – Guest:
Yes. Dopamine is a natural part of us, and it can be that natural reward thing. Sometimes it’s perceived as the pleasure molecule, but it’s also important to drive healthy motivation. But in the modern world, it’s not coming from healthy means.

You have a choice where you can go out and work hard on a project or train to run a marathon and get that big hit of dopamine naturally after lots of work. But everyone now has got whatever they want at one click of a button. Porn addiction among young men is a good example. All this overstimulation that human consciousness had never seen before, and now you can get whatever you want 24/7 at the click of a button for free. This is completely burning out and hijacking our reward systems in all facets of life.

Speaker 1 – Host:
They’re triggering all those lower areas of our existence. For people who understand chakras, it’s a great example. It’s the lower three chakras, which are just about survival, safety, reproduction, and all that. It’s triggering those lower energies all the time.

Speaker 2 – Guest:
Absolutely. People can frame it as the chakras. You can frame it as the reptilian survival brain. We’re all describing the same phenomenon with different languages. People are being kept in a fear state.

The cost of living in Australia at the moment is one example. That background fear for young people, not being able to afford food and shelter and not really having a long-term plan. All these things are kind of like a drug addict, where you just don’t want to think about it. You numb out, go and drink, or take your mind off it. All these things keep us in that high-cortisol fear state, which prevents people from using the more complex processing parts of the brain to think critically.

That’s why we get things like COVID or certain conspiracies, which are very hard for people to accept. They can’t accept that politicians and powerful people are doing things to kids. It’s too much for them. It’s an overload of fear and anxiety, even if you can show them a hundred bits of evidence that show that this is true. It still doesn’t click with them. This is one of the battles we’re in to unprogram people.

Speaker 1 – Host:
You’re absolutely right, because people’s systems are already in overload. It’s full. It’s at capacity mentally and emotionally. If somebody tries to pour just a little bit more in, people either engage, and they could actually have a breakdown by trying to engage with a little bit more, or it’s too much.

Speaker 2 – Guest:
A big part, because we are seeing more people wake up than ever, is that it’s so acceptable to talk about conspiracy theories these days. Humanity is collectively going to have to go through a dark night of the soul, I think, to realize that everything has been a lie. That can be a traumatic thing.

It’s like the seven stages of grief, the hero’s journey, whatever you want to call it. I think there’s a real ego death that needs to happen for the people who were laughing at you for whatever thing you tried to tell them, and who are now gradually coming around to it and going, “Oh my God, maybe that person was right about that thing, or everything.” There is a lot of healing work that will have to be done over the next few years as well.

Speaker 1 – Host:
Even with you telling your story about breaking your back and then having to completely reinvent yourself, isn’t that surrender? It’s like surrendering who Alex was right up until that point, who he’d become. Your whole identity is what you surrendered. Is that right?

Speaker 2 – Guest:
In some ways, that’s right. When you’re so close to death, I guess, when you feel like you’re going through withdrawal and you’ve lost everything, it’s like you’ve got nothing to lose anymore. There’s no room where you care about what other people think or the nonsense. You’ve got freedom to become your best self.

But then there’s also the part of me that thinks, if you believe in reincarnation or soul contracts, or even just life, you can learn the best lessons from the hardest times. None of this would have happened if I didn’t have that duality of being a pharmacist and then being a drug addict, being in conventional medicine and alternate medicine, being sporty and then breaking my back, or being rich and being poor and having to start again.

All this duality, if Earth is school to learn lessons, I’ve certainly learned a lot and it’s made me a better person. But it feels hard at the time.

Speaker 1 – Host:
I like that, because what we were talking about before is that everybody is so highly stressed and highly strung that they can’t handle a little bit more. There’s a choice they’ve got. They’re either going to make it or break it. You made it. You let it break you so it could make you. Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 – Guest:
I know what you mean. In one of the plant medicine journeys I had with DMT and ayahuasca, I was made out of Legos. That’s the only way I can describe it. All the pieces broke down exactly as you just described, and then these entities that were there built it back up. They were kind of like, “Congratulations, you’ve built yourself back up.” That was pretty crazy to see.

Speaker 1 – Host:
Yes. I think your story is important for people out there who are feeling like they’re on the edge and don’t have a way out. Even for me, when I had the shift, I had a mental breakdown. I think it was ten years overdue. I had been so terrified of what letting go meant. It happened overnight. When I finally let it happen, I lost my mind, and it happened overnight. I woke up the next day and I was like a new version, like that new Lego version of you, going, “All right, now what do I have to do to get back on track? Let’s get my life sorted.”

Speaker 2 – Guest:
It can be really scary for people to wake up and realize everything is a lie, like we touched on before. But you have to do it. You have to realize that what you thought was true is the lie. That’s the real hard part for people, so they feel like they’re living in this completely different world.

I think gradually more and more people are coming to our side of the boat. When you think about people like David Icke, Fritz Springmeier, or Jordan Maxwell, these people were trying to tell people all this 30, 40, 50 years ago. There was a handful of people on the planet who knew what was really going on. Now, you get all these people on TikTok starting to break down symbolism and all these things. Was this another psyop? What does it mean? Was it done deliberately? So many people are at least questioning things or looking into things these days. It’s insane compared to pre-COVID.

Speaker 1 – Host:
It is. It’s incredible. What I really, really like is that you came out the other side. You’re letting people know that you reinvented yourself pretty much. I want people to know that if they’re going to let go and start really opening up to what the world is really all about and who we really are, how has your life been since you broke your back, went through that journey, and left being a pharmacist behind?

Speaker 2 – Guest:
It all happened around COVID, when it really hit its peak. When I took time off work to get off painkillers, I had also started a big startup that I was involved in, which failed at the time. I was trying to build a digital bank to go up against the banks and stuff.

Speaker 1 – Host:
That was adventurous.

Speaker 2 – Guest:
It was. We were lucky we were in the position where we could repay all the investors in the end, but it was one of those things where everything happens at once.

It was probably just after COVID when I came back and started making content again after getting strikes on YouTube during COVID. You gradually change your friendship group a little bit. I still have all my old friends, and I can still hang out with them, go to the pub and watch the football or whatever. It’s not like you can’t hang out in that old world.

But you tend to find these more authentic people of all different ages and sexes, just anyone who is authentic and on this path. It is so easy when you realize someone else is into the truth movement. You just become good friends instantly, almost, and there’s no nonsense.

The other big change was on YouTube and social media. Probably three years ago, the algorithms started to change. All the things you weren’t allowed to say, gradually you could say them more. I kept pushing the boundaries a little bit and seemed to not be getting any strikes. I don’t know if that’s because I don’t monetize any of my stuff on any platform, and if that has allowed me to get away with a bit more than maybe other people.

These days, you can pretty much talk about adrenochrome, vaccines, or whatever it is, and it seems to be getting through. I think I’ve only got one strike again in the past three years, and nothing is off limits. We’ll talk about anything on the show.

Speaker 1 – Host:
Good on you.

Speaker 2 – Guest:
That has been really good. Covering a lot of those old things, I think the really important mass-trauma events, and some of these are obviously controversial. We did a whole week on Port Arthur, for example, for the 30-year anniversary. Some of these topics, I think it’s very obvious that the official narrative is not what actually happened.

That got a couple of million views. It takes that one thing to click. I think in Australia, so many people are not aware that we haven’t had the recession in 30 years that other countries have had. It’s the “she’ll be right, mate” attitude. Most people have never seen a rainy day until very recently, because property has always gone up and everyone owned a house.

The facts are, Australia is one of the most heavily indoctrinated countries from all the propaganda, MK-Ultra, Operation Paperclip, Operation Matchbox, where they came into our media, our schools, and our psych departments. We’re one of the most heavily fluoridated countries in the world. That’s probably one of the top tips I can give to people: start filtering your water and getting out the fluoride, and you’ll feel your IQ start to go up again.

Speaker 1 – Host:
I think the best way to put it is that everyone here in Australia is like we’re in kindergarten. We have not had any great life experiences from the outside world to bother us, to even give us food for thought. We are very much a complacent “she’ll be right” bunch of people.

Speaker 2 – Guest:
That’s a good way to put it. We spoke about duality and how to learn and grow personally and spiritually before. As you say, people in Europe or the Middle East, throughout history, they’ve lived through wars, overthrows of government, famines, or whatever it is. In Australia, it’s “she’ll be right.”

Speaker 1 – Host:
They know the cycles and the ups and downs. Here, we’ve had nothing.

Speaker 2 – Guest:
We’ve had nothing like that at all, and I think we’ve just become more and more complacent until right now. I think there are some pretty tough times ahead for Australians. I don’t know if you want to get into that or not, but I see what they’re trying to do at the moment.

Speaker 1 – Host:
Yes. I had somebody on last week. He moved from Victoria to South Australia before COVID hit, and only just recently he moved from South Australia to Malaysia. He said everybody needs a Plan B right now, because it’s not going to get easy. What are you seeing coming our way?

Speaker 2 – Guest:
I think this ties into the whole New World Order and what’s happening globally, where these people are trying to play out specific prophecies and all this type of stuff. I think the goal is to really usher in transhumanism and AI, and get that running everything, almost like a Matrix-type scenario.

You see Elon and others celebrating how they’ve brain-chipped more people recently, and they’re rolling out 6G and all this type of stuff. We already see how destructive technology has been for people. That is a huge part of it.

The next phase of what they really want to do is kick off a civil war. They’ve been ushering in, through mass immigration, more and more of these people. We’ve seen crime rates go up. People can say, “Oh, that’s racist,” or not, but we’ve seen everyone who lives in Melbourne, or even I’ve got friends calling me from Queensland now, saying, “A gang broke into our house last night, with knives,” and all these things. We’ve seen it, and it’s more evident in Europe. That is really about to kick off in Australia as well.

The media are absolutely going to drum that up and cause a lot of racial tensions and play the two sides off against each other. That is their goal. It’s to create civil war, violence, and then they’re going to bring in more laws, digital identity, mass surveillance. This is why they’re building all these data centers.

It’s all part of their plan, where they want us to all kill each other while they sit back and watch the depopulation and enslavement agenda play out. If everyone realized who the real enemy was and that we’re all on the same team, a lot of these people have been programmed through radicalized religions. A lot of us have been programmed to hate them through the media, the movies, Hollywood, and whatever else. It’s all the same war. It’s all the programming we have to undo on both sides.

Speaker 1 – Host:
Programming, absolutely. We’re all brought up differently, without a doubt. I remember years ago when we got a lot of people coming from overseas, like from Asian cultures or even India. When I went and visited India, and I saw how everybody drives and how the traffic operates and everything else, I was in awe. Just to walk across a major intersection takes a lot of trust and a lot of faith. You just go for it. It looks like organized chaos, and it works.

Then when people come here to our country, and we’ve been using our roads in specific ways, you get other people taking risks and jumping in front, and they’re just paving the way that they do back in their own country. You can’t break those sorts of behaviors overnight. Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 – Guest:
Yes. There is a huge difference, because Australia has been founded on multiculturalism. It was probably reasonably successful, most people would say, up until recently. But it’s very different for someone wanting to move here for the Australian way of life, for a better opportunity for their family, doing honest work, and learning the Australian language.

I’ve got friends of all races and backgrounds, and most of them are just peaceful people. Then it’s very different to getting military-aged radical men who are doing knife attacks, rapes, home burglaries, not making any effort to learn the language, getting on benefits, and staying with their own people with their own language. It’s so much different.

This has all been deliberately done, funded by these NGOs, George Soros, open border society, these Zionist billionaires. There are documents behind how they want to flood these white European Christian nations that tended to have good values and good economies. This is the easiest way to destroy them. This is all documented. People can say, “Oh, that’s a conspiracy,” but just look it up.

Speaker 1 – Host:
There’s going to be a bunch that get caught up in all of that. But what about you? I feel like I’m a bit at the sidelines watching the show. That’s how I feel I am at the moment. I’d really like to encourage people to come and stand at the sidelines and not be part of the show. The more people who do that, the better. How are you operating? How are you keeping out of the show that’s going on out there?

Speaker 2 – Guest:
I’m in Tasmania, and it’s pretty rural here. I’ve got a lot of friends who have rural properties, grow their own food, have their own meat, and fresh water. I spend a lot of time hiking out in nature when I’m not making content and stuff. It’s very different down here compared with living in the city in Melbourne or Sydney.

I guess I see my role as, if you’ve got 25 years of this knowledge of what’s going on and people are confused, it feels like my role is to help people understand what’s going on and get them on that right path. If everybody woke up and realized what’s going on, there wouldn’t be violence. There wouldn’t be people watching the media. It would be done overnight.

Speaker 1 – Host:
It would be done overnight.

Speaker 2 – Guest:
Unfortunately, it has gotten to the point now where I think something bad does have to happen in some ways. Whether that’s just organic from what is already happening with this crime, or whether they’re going to orchestrate another mass event to really kick things off, I don’t know.

Speaker 1 – Host:
You talked about duality a number of times earlier. What I’ve learned through human behavior is that when we become unconscious, when we’re really in that unconscious frame of living our life day to day, we need shock. The only thing that gets people out of the trance and actually gets them to pay attention is a shock of some sort.

I love driving and I love fast cars, and I do keep within the speed limit whenever I can. I remember when I got my first little two-door BMW, I would navigate my way through a pack of cars so I could get out the front. I knew what I was doing. A couple of times, I’d get tooted by somebody, and I’d say to them, “You’re welcome.” Because I think I just woke them up from behind the wheel. They were sedentary in the way they were driving their cars, and it took just a little bit of somebody going past them at a faster speed to get their attention and wake them up from unconsciously driving.

I think, yes, if you can be that shock, shock them, Alex. They need the shock to wake up.

Speaker 2 – Guest:
I’ve viewed it as planting seeds. All the people in your newsfeed, your friends who might think you’re a bit crazy when you’ve shared something over the years, at least you’ve planted the seed or the idea. Then they might see someone else talk about it. They might see a post about it again, and this time it’s got a thousand likes. They go, “Huh.” All of a sudden, we’re hitting this critical mass where people don’t want to be left out, or they go, “Maybe there is something to that.”

You can’t force people to wake up. They have to do it on their own terms, in their own time, or it has to be something that shocks them individually. But when that point comes, they might go, “I know that friend of mine was always into natural health,” or, “That friend of mine was always into these conspiracies. Maybe I’ll ask them what they think about this, because this topic that I never thought could have been true, I now believe in, and I want to know more.”

This is where everyone is just playing their role, in big ways or small ways, to try to wake up humanity to what’s going on and how much more we can be.

Speaker 1 – Host:
To unplug is not easy. It’s a process, and it is painful. I’m going to say that out loud for everyone to hear. You know it. I know it. Many people know it.

When people are cleaning up their bodies, detoxing, starting to live a lifestyle similar to what you are, detoxing themselves, unplugging from social media, unplugging from certain behaviors and addictions, it’s uncomfortable. Extremely uncomfortable.

I listened to somebody just this morning. She said she had gone and had some acupuncture done, and all of a sudden, a week later, she was feeling all sorts of different feelings in her body. I just had to laugh, because as soon as people start cleaning their bodies up and pain starts turning up in their body somehow, they think that a couple of needles have completely messed their body up, instead of the years of crappy, toxic living.

Speaker 2 – Guest:
Absolutely. That’s a big thing with weight loss as well, when all these toxins accumulate in your fat, or with emotional trauma that’s stored in the body. As you say, you’ve got to do that shadow work and face the hard things in yourself to make yourself whole again.

Being an addict, it might be painful, but it’s only going to get more painful the longer you wait. If you’re starting to realize that a lot of this might be true, but you’re choosing to bury your head in the sand and hoping life is going to go back to the way it was in the good old days, think about what’s coming next.

The children are one thing that I think is going to get a lot of people, when they find out what these people have been doing to children. Also, what’s been pushed in the schools. You mentioned Craig Cole and that as well. All these agendas to normalize pedophilia and hypersexualize children, I think that’s the red line for a lot of people, particularly when they find out the more evil stuff these elites are doing.

Speaker 1 – Host:
I saw on YouTube last night a couple of ads come up. They’re new ads that the Australian government is putting out. It will be a parent and a child having this conversation: nobody should touch you anywhere that makes you feel uncomfortable. I was horrified to listen to this ad, because it’s being created by the level of society that is part of the problem.

Speaker 2 – Guest:
Absolutely. We saw the South Australian mum. I did chat to her. I forget her name now, but she sued the government because they were teaching pedophilia and bestiality at a South Australian school. Her daughter came home and was scared of her brother after what she’d been taught at school about incest. She won that first part of the case.

People are starting to wake up to this stuff, just how evil it is. It’s always under the guise of education or equality or whatever, but it is these people at the very top who are trying to normalize pedophilia and sexualization of children.

Speaker 1 – Host:
Protect your children, people, without a doubt.

What is your advice then, Alex, for people who are just stepping out onto the edge? What should they be looking for in their life? Everybody I’ve talked to in the talks I’ve done over the years wants your life.

Speaker 2 – Guest:
I think you’ve just got to get back to natural law. It’s something we find ourselves talking about. We’ve gotten so far away from nature, whether it’s what we’re teaching, or what we’re eating. Nature has a way to make the pendulum swing back.

You can create this artificial food and spray it with chemicals and stuff, but then people are going to want natural food again. Nature will keep being nature. It’s the same with a lot of this trans agenda and all this type of stuff. You can go away from nature all you want, but the pendulum will swing back.

It’s about getting people to realize what is true and authentic to them and stand up for that. You’ll be surprised. There are a lot of teachers in these schools who absolutely understand that this is all crazy, and there are good principals who are saying no. Now they’re going to get pressure and be told they won’t get the funding and all this type of stuff. But as more and more people protest, even these small towns that are protesting the data centers have had little wins.

I think there was a town, was it Gympie, that recently got fluoride removed in Australia. People can make a difference. They don’t realize it. People are so sedated and time-poor, but it’s going to get to this breaking point soon. There’s a revolution kind of coming. It’s just a matter of when that happens.

Speaker 1 – Host:
I think you’re right. Right now, we should encourage people, if you’ve got some doubts, ask questions of your children’s school, or even your place of employment. Just start having conversations and asking questions instead of just accepting things and thinking that you haven’t got any power or influence. Just the questions themselves will start something.

Speaker 2 – Guest:
A couple of examples: I know someone was putting together a document. I think it was Craig who was saying you can give this to teachers and say, “If you teach this at school and my child has any damages, you will be held personally responsible and pay for it.” Then all of a sudden people go, “What is being taught?”

Or going to your doctor if he wants to start you on a statin and is telling you cholesterol is bad. Look at the research and the numbers, guys. If you actually look into it, the numbers needed to treat someone for how many years to stop one heart attack show that 90% of people don’t get any benefit from most medications, and it costs a lot of money and has a lot of side effects. This is the same for antidepressants and all these mind-altering drugs that everyone is on now, putting all the kids on ADD medications and stuff.

Just take a bit of time. It’s easy to do this research now. As much as we all hate AI, it can be a time-saver for some basic research. But go into the doctor’s office with questions, because a lot of the time the MK-Ultra programming system is very much in the universities, and that includes the doctors.

We often like to think of doctors and pharmacists, and people I went through medical school with, as intelligent people. But the fact is, a lot of the time, they are the best regurgitators at school who follow the instructions. You’ve got to break their programming and get them back to first-principles thinking and natural law.

Say, “Okay, I know you’re telling me this tablet stops heart attacks, but all these numbers show that’s not really the case. Cholesterol is actually really important for every cell in our body.” The sugar industry, the corruption, the demonization of natural animal fats, which people ate for eternity, in favor of seed oils, all these things you can start to look into. Again, you’ll end up back at natural law.

They’ve tried to get into their satanic inversion. Things that are natural and good for you, they need to flip and invert.

Speaker 1 – Host:
Turn everything upside down. Absolutely.

I also have another little mantra: anything that’s extremely popular, question it. Anything that’s extremely popular. When everybody started doing avocados on toast and having brunches every Sunday and coffee and all that sort of stuff, it’s like, really, do you need to spend every brunch every weekend sitting around doing nothing, eating food and drinking drinks?

I remember one of my kids said to me once, when he had his little daughter, “How did you used to handle us going out to restaurants and things? You had three kids. I’ve just got one, and we have such a hard time.” I stopped for a second and thought about it. Then I looked at him and said, “We didn’t go out. We didn’t go to restaurants. We went to other people’s places, or we had barbecues at home, or we had lunches at home. We didn’t do any of that sort of stuff, so we didn’t have to worry about it.”

Speaker 2 – Guest:
Yes. It’s definitely the Uber Eats culture. How many people don’t know how to cook food properly, let alone plant or grow food? Again, think about what they have done. If they really wanted to, they could turn the power off tomorrow, and people would have no idea how to get food or water in these cities and go without power.

We have built out our own enslavement grid, trading off convenience. But how many people do you know now who want the dream of living in the country, growing some food, raising their kids, probably homeschooled or in a community school? The pendulum is swinging back big time.

Speaker 1 – Host:
It is. The whole concept of these AI centers, the data centers. I had a conversation last week with somebody who told me there are 149 of them so far in Australia. I ask people, “What are they for?” Nobody knows. They just think it’s for AI, and nobody is thinking any further than that.

With digital systems and the Internet of Things dotted throughout people’s homes, with their Alexas that they do their sound and commands through, their fridge, their microwave, their computers, all of those devices are picking up information that is all going to those AI data centers. They’re going to be centralized systems connected with everybody’s lives in some way. The next thing that can happen from that is it can start switching things off.

Speaker 2 – Guest:
This is another big part of the New World Order technocracy I touched on before. I think they’re deliberately maybe going to crash a lot of the old systems, and maybe they will even reveal some of the bad stuff that has been going on, and say, “We can’t trust your politicians. You can’t trust your bankers. We need the super-intelligent AI to run everything.”

This is no more apparent than in Tasmania, where there’s a huge data center going in here. That’s the first of three. The first one alone is going to use 15% of Tasmania’s power. I think the next three total will use 50% of our power.

You’ve got all these local industries that have been trying to get power from hydro for years and being told there’s no spare capacity. Along comes Big Tech, globalist New World Order rollers. It’s going to create 10 jobs. It’s going to suck all the power and the water, but they get the green stamp. The public has no idea what the details were in the background.

This is such a good example of how there’s one rule for everyone and different rules for them, where no questions are asked. I don’t know if they’re going to get away with all this and build these data centers for AI to run everything. I’m not sure.

Speaker 1 – Host:
No, because in America, Erin Brockovich is on it. She’s on it.

Your lifestyle, the way you’re living your life, really is at best to encourage people to have that Plan B and to start disengaging with the system itself. Is that how you first started doing it, or is Tassie just a little bit different, where you already had it that way?

Speaker 2 – Guest:
You still have to make the conscious effort to start filtering your water, getting all your food from either the farmers market or from friends who grow their own food and raise their own meat, to make sure it’s 100% healthy. I know not everyone has those options, but it’s just starting to take those steps. You don’t have to be perfect.

The human body is remarkable. Think about all the poisons they’ve thrown at us for how long, and you’re still here. You only have to do those little things to start making your body healthy. Then it’s just listening to that authentic voice in yourself.

If you’re starting to get that feeling that crime is picking up in your area, think about the trade-offs. Are you really going to lose that much if you move somewhere to the country, where you’re probably going to maybe get a completely different job? Everyone there is probably nicer community, still going to the local on the weekend, kids still playing together in parks, and locals knowing each other.

There are so many options, but you really need to think about what is really important. For a lot of people, it’s letting go of that ego: “I have my big house in this nice suburb and my job. I’ll never get paid as much if I leave this big corporate.” More and more people are feeling that they’re selling their soul to live in the Matrix, and it’s not resonating with them. That’s a trend that’s going to continue.

When you get those feelings, act on it. Don’t wait for a couple more years and then go, “Oh, damn, I wish I had done it when I first thought about it.”

Speaker 1 – Host:
Yes, I agree with that one too. I think that life taps you on the shoulder and says, “If you want a healthier life and you want a better life, then you need to start making some changes.” The changes usually mean just letting go of a few things.

Speaker 2 – Guest:
Yes. You find things start to fall into place. Stuff you’re wasting your time on, the TV you are watching, all of that. You’ll just be upskilling yourself in every aspect of your life, watching and reading things, learning how to be healthier. Then your mind gets better, and then you become more creative. Maybe you have a little side hustle, or at least you’re growing a bit of your own food at home or whatever.

It’s all these little things where life will gradually get better if you’re putting in that effort to learn the truth.

Speaker 1 – Host:
How do you go from being a pharmacist to a YouTuber?

Speaker 2 – Guest:
My ex at the time thought I was completely crazy. I don’t know. It was just one of those things. I had a calling to talk about this.

Speaker 1 – Host:
Again, that tap on the shoulder, that voice, that intuition, and whatever you want to call it.

Speaker 2 – Guest:
Yes. It has been a wild ride, and stuff has sort of always worked out for nine years now.

Speaker 1 – Host:
I think a lot of people are actually getting that tap on the shoulder, and I think that’s why I’m talking to you today. They need to hear that you made a few significant changes, and look where you are now.

For everybody out there, if you’re getting a tap on the shoulder, listen.

Speaker 2 – Guest:
Yes. The new communities and friends you’ll make, you’ll never look back. I’ve worked with a couple of people now to get these community gatherings and meetups going in every capital and every town. One of the big problems is that if people wake up before their friends, family, and work colleagues, they feel very alone. But once you find only one or two people who are also on this path, you’ll strike a friendship that is stronger and more authentic than any of your previous ones.

Speaker 1 – Host:
It’s the reality of like attracts like, isn’t it? When you’re a pharmacist, you hung around with a whole heap of academic people and pharmaceutical people. Like attracts like. When I was a drug addict, I hung around with drug addicts. When you decided to make a change, you started to navigate the old friendships and the new friendships.

Speaker 2 – Guest:
Yes. A lot of those people I went through uni with probably think I’m crazy for posting some of the stuff, and they’re still recommending people get COVID boosters. They are programmed. But I’m not angry with them or anything. They are victims of this programming as well.

People need to be held to account to have that shock. When that pharmacist gives one, and it directly leads to a death in the shop or whatever, they need to see something where they go, “Oh my God, I’m wrong.” They need to be held to account to some degree, but we have to treat all these people as victims of programming, whatever it is we’re talking about, because humanity is a victim of programming by evil people at the top.

Speaker 1 – Host:
Trust that they’re all going to get that tap on the shoulder. It’s not up to us, right? You’re planting seeds, I’m planting seeds, but there’s something bigger than us that’s tapping them on the shoulder as well.

Speaker 2 – Guest:
Again, with the spiritual side of things, people can talk about what that is, where that voice comes from. Maybe it is just within us deep down, and we’ve kind of forgotten it. I don’t think it necessarily has to be guardian angels or a higher power. I think we all have something special in us that gives us consciousness.

Speaker 1 – Host:
I think it’s just me. There’s just a higher aspect of me, and she just keeps tapping away all the time.

Speaker 2 – Guest:
Different religions call it whatever. If people come to a peaceful place through God or Buddhism or through breathwork, again, we can’t fall into this divide and conquer of, “That’s not right. That’s not right. There’s only this way.” If people are living a peaceful life, however they get to it, through some of those, all of those, or none of those, that’s fine. It’s just do no harm and natural law.

Speaker 1 – Host:
Let them find their own way, because they will. Absolutely.

Alex, it’s been a pleasure, an absolute pleasure. I think that your YouTube space is phenomenal. It’s like a directory, and I highly recommend everybody go and check out your directory. Thank you so much for your time today, and thank you so much for the insight into what your life has been all about as well.

Speaker 2 – Guest:
No worries, Helen. It was a pleasure chatting with you, and we’ll have to do it again sometime. Good luck with everything.

Speaker 1 – Host:
Cheers. Thank you so much.