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Bo H: Hello, hello, hello, and welcome to another episode of Down and Dirty with me, I'm Idaho Beau, and my cohort.

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vicki fisk: Vivacious Dick?

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Bo H: And today we have our fabulous, glorious, wonderful, heart-centered friend Matt Denning back with us today.

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Bo H: Thank you.

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matt: Thanks for having me.

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Bo H: Oh, we love you, Matt. You… you could be… you could be, like, a permanent co-host, as far as I'm concerned.

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vicki fisk: I love being here, and I love you ladies, too. Thank you.

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Bo H: I know you're not always in town, maybe you can tell everybody what you're doing in eastern Idaho, too, since we're talking about community today.

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Bo H: And the many facets of what community is, what it looks like, … what… Just… just exactly…

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Bo H: what community means to each of us, and it's a little bit different, because, like I said, it's multifaceted, and there's a lot of different things community could mean.

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Bo H: …

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Bo H: One of the things Matt touched on on our last show, which was about what freedom looks like to you.

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Bo H: Was that perhaps there's a lot more like-minded people

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Bo H: In the world, then we are led to believe, and we're… we're…

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Bo H: Kept from knowing that by the different algorithms, the Matrix…

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Bo H: The simulation, whatever you want to keep it, whatever you want to call it.

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Bo H: is they, they, the U.S. Department of They, as my friend Corinne likes to call it.

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Bo H: Keeps us from knowing… How many like-minded people there are, because, you know.

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Bo H: united we stand, divided we fall? We are the many, and they are the few, and if… if…

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Bo H: Folks really knew how many people were of the like mind of getting out of the rat race and breaking

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Bo H: The everyday, have to go to work, have to make the money, just doing it over and over and over again.

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Bo H: If we really knew how many people want to break out of that.

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Bo H: I kind of think that…

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Bo H: To put it in a crude way, their ass would be grass.

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Bo H: So, we're talking about creating new paradigms, and what exactly community looks like, and since… Matt, since you, …

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Bo H: kind of were a guru to me in a lot of ways. When I met you way back when, when you were the lead.

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Bo H: for the Boise Echo Village.

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Bo H: I feel like it would be a good place to start with you.

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matt: Yeah, I… to… you wanted me to maybe encapsulate what I'm up to in eastern Idaho initially, it sounds like, so… what, our current paradigm of…

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matt: everything is inflated beyond recognition, like, locals cannot afford to buy a home. Nobody I know can really afford what we're experiencing collectively.

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matt: And so, what I… my… I'm creating this opportunity, it's…

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matt: I invite others to come and stay, and it's like a living workshop, using natural building, and salvage, repurposed materials that I've been harvesting along the path, and it's out in the middle of nowhere, it's a pretty big commitment to get there, and…

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matt: But there's not a lot of, like…

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matt: obligation for anybody to go out there. I'd rather it be, like, this really…

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matt: neat opportunity for somebody to come out and see what natural building looks like, and working together with Mama Nature, and see…

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matt: how simplistic and beautiful and rustic and doable it is. I mean, it's… it is a lot of work, don't get me wrong, I… I…

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matt: It's a labor of love, and…

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matt: What the end result will be is a… an eco-village retreat center for gatherings and plant-based medicine journeys and…

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matt: decompression, vision quests, all these kinds of things, as a living example of how we can really create truly affordable housing from refurbished materials, salvaged materials.

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matt: So, that's one vein of, like, trying to create community, and ideally, like, doing it closer to populated spaces where people are more available and capable of joining and being able to do a quick trip

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matt: To and fro would be ideal, but it just isn't what the cards have played out to be.

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matt: And also trying to create community.

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matt: in other ways, how… like, in a previous episode, I mentioned, how do we see our spaces? Like, I've converted my home into

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matt: a very small intentional community. I'm right in town on a quarter acre, and I have some little outbuildings, like a single-car detached garage that I converted into a tiny home. I've done all of this without asking permission from anyone, like, it's my personal property.

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matt: And the way that it works, if I'm not harming anybody else, I can do what I want. And I haven't had any…

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matt: grief from any county public official coming and knocking on my door and saying, hey, you can't do this. Like, I think we're led to believe

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matt: we've been fearmongered that we cannot do things on our own spaces, and I'd like to blow the lid off of that, and do what you want on your own spaces, and build your thing, exit and build. So, I built a little tiny shed that I converted also into a tiny home that is now

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matt: both the garage and the shed are these cute little homes that I open up as a eco-village.

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matt: educational Airbnb opportunity.

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matt: And then the main home is all community spaces that they're welcome to participate in, and the family members here are all on board of being in this intentional mission of…

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matt: The whole space is gardened out. There's ponds and chickens and…

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matt: bamboo, and berries, and I've really tried to permaculture it out, and there's not a lot of spaces that are really left…

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matt: untouched and not producing something. So, I have a website that helps share some of the facets of the path, the journey towards

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matt: what all of this has been for me over the course of the years. The EcoVillage project was, like, more of a collective endeavor, trying to help connect community together, and…

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matt: Workshops, and even spaces to have a community garden together, and …

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matt: helped network us all together. When we dissolved that project due to varying variables, the bottom line is what I'm excited to hear your ladies,

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matt: Ways of seeing what community can look like, and it doesn't have to be labeled a certain way, but my takeaways from that is the network of humans that are like-minded and bringing us together in commonality and common goals of

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matt: Being supportive with our resources together, and what our skill sets are, and sharing seeds, and creating little potluck opportunities to network us more closely together, so we know we're not alone.

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vicki fisk: Wanted to comment on… Part of your… talk about…

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vicki fisk: The amount of work that it is for you over the number of years to create that.

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vicki fisk: and also to start building your space out in eastern Idaho.

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vicki fisk: that… Don't… you said, don't get me wrong, it's a lot of work.

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matt: And….

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vicki fisk: But…

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vicki fisk: there's… in my experience, nothing comes for free. And we're… this is another aspect of freedom that we were intertwining with this talk from our last talk.

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vicki fisk: Is that you have to choose what you want to put your energy into.

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vicki fisk: And we are all free to choose that. That is.

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matt: world.

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vicki fisk: So… We all have to work for something towards our goals, towards our dreams.

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vicki fisk: It doesn't just come, you know? It doesn't just…

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vicki fisk: happened because we decided… I mean, someday it will, when we really get to the frame of mind where our thoughts are manifesting exactly what we want, you know, and it happens all the time. I'm a pretty good manifester. But I just wanted to touch on the freedom

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vicki fisk: To choose what you are choosing, and nobody's bothering you about it, because you've done it in a very…

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vicki fisk: Holistic, non-harmful way, and that is a real level of freedom within a city to do what you have done.

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matt: Indeed, I have had a little bit of…

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matt: feather ruffling, me trying to learn about our irrigation system, and some of the others in my neighborhood where I was trying to find…

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matt: a balance in the force, so to speak, and it hasn't all been pizzas and cream, and I have had…

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matt: … I've been called on the…

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matt: Child Protective Services thought me living in the garage with my kids as they were young, I was being a bad father, and…

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matt: So there has been layers of, like, me being reported, and…

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matt: But the bottom line is, is even after I was surprised visited by one of their representatives, that I sh…

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matt: I was so hurt and so scared that I was gonna lose my… my kids, and I shed tears, and I shared my space and my philosophy of what I was up to, and she… like, bottom line, they, like.

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vicki fisk: I see nothing wrong here, and….

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matt: Left with a smile, and….

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vicki fisk: Nice.

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matt: elated free hard to continue on what I'm up to, so….

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vicki fisk: Yeah.

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matt: It is a labor of love, but like what you were sharing, like, we have…

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matt: Our choice to focus our energy, if we're able to…

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matt: Have willpower and determination to separate from the myriad distractions and addictions that this world is so really beautifully good at grasping our time, our focus, our energy, and funneling it into

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matt: superfluous hedonism.

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matt: And so, really trying to get a grip is… like, we can really rise above it all if we have that determination and the true desire to get free.

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vicki fisk: Yeah.

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Bo H: Well, that's superfluous hedonism. Whoa, that's… that… I gotta write that one down.

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matt: I dove down that rabbit hole.

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Bo H: Yeah, right? Well, yeah.

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Bo H: Been there, done that.

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Bo H: It wasn't there long, but it was there.

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Bo H: So…

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Bo H: Before we turned on the recording button, and by the way, we are recording today, we are not taking calls.

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Bo H: But, … You know, we talked about

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Bo H: what community actually means, and a lot of people, when you hear about, oh, I live in a community.

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Bo H: They think you're living in commune style, you know, like.

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Bo H: Tiny house after tiny house after tiny house.

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Bo H: And there are those kinds of places. There are beautiful echo villages, all over the world. Finhorn in Scotland is absolutely gorgeous. I mean, but that… that's a really older one, and a very good example, and they're everywhere.

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Bo H: It doesn't have to look like that.

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Bo H: A community could be a small town, or if anybody's read the Ringing Cedar series, the Anastasia books.

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Bo H: She talks about how people in villages, all the people have 2 hectares of land, and they grow their own food.

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Bo H: etc, etc, will they all share with each other. And we were talking about how it used to be…

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Bo H: before modernization, and I'm going to put that in air quotes.

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Bo H: A town, or a small town, or a village would… they'd have a miller, somebody that people would take their grain to, and they would grind it.

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Bo H: And there were farmers surrounding the village, there'd be a tailor, there'd be a cobbler, etc, etc. It sounds like an old…

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Bo H: Kid story. But everybody would trade with each other, and that's another form of community.

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Bo H: to where.

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matt: You….

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Bo H: you live with like-minded folks, but you don't have to share the same property. Now, I do know there's a couple people I know that… that are itching to get some land.

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Bo H: and invites… Friends and like-minded people onto their land and start a community that way.

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Bo H: But a community could be… A lot of different…

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Bo H: Can have a lot of different looks to a lot of different people.

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Bo H: There's art communities, there's… Farming communities, there's all different sorts of communities.

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Bo H: And I… I just want to encourage people to…

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Bo H: you know, go within and… and find that space as if this… if this sounds like a good idea to you, I'm… I'm gonna…

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Bo H: Back up a little bit.

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Bo H: And tell a story… a little story short, story, back when… COVID began in early 2020.

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Bo H: I… Was amazed to see how

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Bo H: Much complicity to what was being

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Bo H: Broadcast on the airways, how people just shut… shut up, shop.

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Bo H: You know, people couldn't go to gyms anymore. That's kind of a place you can have a community in a gym.

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Bo H: … people… everything shut down, and people were isolated. There was no… there was not much interaction.

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Bo H: And at that point in time, I felt like the only way going forward to get out of the matrix, to get out of the conundrum of what

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Bo H: Has been presented to us.

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Bo H: throughout the eons, is to just exit it, and to… commune with…

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Bo H: In various ways, people of like-mindedness.

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Bo H: So, I wondered if either of you wanted to speak on that at all. What that looks like or means to you.

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vicki fisk: I, … Want to expand on when you're talking about Exiting…

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vicki fisk: it has to start in our mind first. We have to exit our mind from even following some of these directives that are… they just assume that we're all going to follow these directives that

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vicki fisk: you know, we have to get in touch with our intuitive self and our gut feelings about what we're always absorbing through this media, through this government, through this institution, and the medical… we have to get in touch with what our feelings are about things, rather than just the

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vicki fisk: saying, yeah, going along with these things. And that's… that's where, to me, the real building of community begins, is finding the people that you can share

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vicki fisk: your angst, and this doesn't feel right, what do you think about this? This just doesn't sound right, doesn't feel right. You know, don't be afraid to speak your mind.

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vicki fisk: I mean, everybody's speaking their mind now. You can't go on any social media, and everyone's speaking their mind, so why are you afraid of speaking yours? You know, you're gonna be shunned from the village all of a sudden? No!

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vicki fisk: People don't care what you think.

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vicki fisk: You know, I mean, they might… I think it's just really important to get in touch with our intuition to help guide us to what

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vicki fisk: Our reality… what our dreams are.

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vicki fisk: I've got dreams over here, and yet I'm following all this stuff, and I'm unhappy every day, and I go to… no, I don't want to live my life like… I don't live my life like that anymore. I used to.

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vicki fisk: And so, you've just gotta start changing your mind about it first.

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vicki fisk: And we've talked a lot about that.

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Bo H: Or getting out of your mind and dropping into the feelings.

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Bo H: I feel, anyway, that the…

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Bo H: the mind is just the translator of what the heart brings forth. So when you follow your dreams, or even… some people don't even dare to dream, you have to dare to dream

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Bo H: … And… … just…

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Bo H: follow your heart, because the… I think when you get in the mind too much is when you…

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Bo H: When you, …

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Bo H: That's when you can get in a lot of trouble. That's when you can get in a lot of trouble.

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matt: Yeah, I think, I'm with you on all that, too, and what you were sharing with Vicki about our mindset and what we're following, and…

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matt: fighting off on mainstream fear-mongering stuff. Like, I remember when COVID was first coming around, and I was excited about the potentials of what that could catalyze for us as a species, like, as communities, like, it's like, wow, this is really gonna…

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matt: Open us up to what is real, and how we can really

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matt: thrive and survive through all of this, and connect as communities, and I remember throwing together a… I've, in the past, had seed planting potluck parties, where I'd share seeds with others, and I'd have trays and soil for others to come over and get their starts early in the season, and…

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matt: I threw this all together and, you know, did the same kind of, like, Facebook events and invitation kind of thing, and when it came down to it, everybody was so scared that nobody showed up, and I was like.

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vicki fisk: Oh!

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Bo H: -Oh!

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matt: wow, this is very effective propaganda, like, oh no, I was like… and I was sharing, like, hey, this is really important, this is, like, this is a prime example why we get together to do these things, and so just being brave to…

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matt: critical think, empirical… empirical evidence gather firsthand, what do you see? What are you experiencing? Do you see…

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matt: bodies piled up at cemeteries because of this fictitious thing… I mean, like, there's layers of reality and layers of fictitiousness of what we've been inundated with over the course of decades, so… I'm just encouraged to be brave, and question, and open, and…

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matt: be willing to connect with… with others in different ways, like having a community potluck to have a theme around it, like…

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matt: To, like, with natural law, or backyard chickens, or…

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matt: How to start seeds, or any facet of, like.

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matt: candle making, or this is what you can do with bamboo, this is what you can do with cat tails, you know, there's so many ways that we can connect with one another that are skill building, skill sharing, sharing food, connecting us humans together that are…

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matt: wanting and desiring, and whether we're all living together, as we've mentioned, it doesn't have to be. Just networking ourselves together and providing opportunities to do so.

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vicki fisk: And it's also about allowing your creativity to come out of the cage.

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vicki fisk: You know.

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matt: Hmm.

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vicki fisk: those themed potlucks are very creative, and… and it's amazing when you just have a few raw materials, how creative people can be. And so having the… that's a really good idea. It's spurring me into some ideas of… of…

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vicki fisk: You know, and there's a lot… there's a lot, you know, we live in a big city, so there's a lot of offerings of that nature, sound baths, and, you know, these… lots of art openings where people that are really art-minded go and enjoy and support the art… the artists and the different…

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vicki fisk: You know? And if there's some kind of odd ones, if people… I have people asking, well, what's this, and what's that? Well, I'm giving them chicory, you know, and then I'm giving them Ondai, you know, and nobody knows what that is, you know? So, it's really fun to be really creative, just helping people learn that these are really healthy, good, organically grown foods that you're not gonna find in the store, necessarily. You're going to find them

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vicki fisk: you're a farmer, right? I'm a little, tiny, tiny, microcosmic farmer here, and it's really fun. I… my neighbor comes over, and she gathers a share, and…

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Bo H: And the, the fearless leader is a guy named Paul Wheaton, who calls himself the bad boy of permaculture, and he's having a number of

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Bo H: a potlucks, he lives in Montana, but in the Northwest, and he's having one at Sandpoint, so I'm grabbing my girlfriend here, my only friend here, Margaret.

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Bo H: And I think it's important, because there's a lot of people who live in big cities, Who…

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vicki fisk: she wants to learn how to bake bread, and I bake bread for lots of family gatherings and take it, and it's always very much appreciated, and

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vicki fisk: And she wants to learn how, so I'm gonna go up and teach a class, you know, and I have the freedom to do that, because I'm not… I'm not locked into a job to go, you know, work somewhere, but… So, I love… I love that.

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matt: Yeah, I try to, with the Homestead Sanctuary, trying to open it up to more than just the Airbnbers and our in-resident family.

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matt: It's kind of like a Trojan horse of, you know, like, getting… luring them out into this space, and when they, you know, see all of the garden stuffs, then other conversations can sparkolate from that, and, help them get

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vicki fisk: I love you coming up with these new words, thrival, sparkling… I like that, man.

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Bo H: You have addiction.

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matt: You know, I think another aspect that we've all alluded to in other episodes is, like, community, like, going to the farmer's markets and really…

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matt: Not just supporting them, and supporting your health and well-being, but, like, talking to them, and … asking them about their processes, and whether you can become involved with them, and….

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matt: That's a really beautiful network of humans that all go and support that, that you're rubbing shoulders with, that you can meet new friends, and….

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Bo H: I asked the wife, her name's Wendy, I said, can I have a couple of those rhubarb leaves? And that sparked a friendship. And little by little, I was volunteering every Saturday there. They taught me so much about growing food. It was incredible what they… and besides

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Bo H: A guy named Chuck Rawolf that Vicki knows. I don't know if you know him, Matt, but just a lot of good, good people.

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Bo H: And, you know, I kind of miss Boise, you know, I used to work at Girl Scouts, and that's another way, that's another thing with community with your kids, is have them join a club, or even adults, join a club and meet like-minded people. You never know what's going to spark from that.

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Bo H: pit this guy against that guy, Republicans against Democrats, you know, this race against that race. Again, they're keeping us divided because

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Bo H: what a beautiful world this would be. They wouldn't… they couldn't fearmonger us anymore. If we are united.

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Bo H: Somebody else took it away.

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matt: your little crafty endeavor turned into. It's super beautiful. And I think for the listeners that are

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matt: researching, because, like, there's a lot… we can put some links on the bottom of this little, episode to help

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matt: sparkolate more potentials for you, but, like, the Global Earthship community in Taos, New Mexico, they have opportunities for you to go and do an internship at, or even

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matt: is another way to go explore and share your services and learn at the same time. There's so many opportunities, I just encourage

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matt: Diving into the… a little bit of research will go so far.

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vicki fisk: I just looked up woofers. Worldwide Opportunities on Organic Farms is what it stands for, and I woofed. Me and Ken, when we went to Belize, we woofed on, the farm that we were staying on, planting pineapples and cabbages and, you know.

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vicki fisk: That… and I host… when I had my year, I hosted woofers. That's when we had chickens, we had bees, we had, you know, all kinds of stuff going on back here, and I… I had woofers come.

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vicki fisk: And they just… They help do whatever is needed on your property.

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vicki fisk: And it's such an amazing organization. You get free room and board, you have to travel to their site, you get to stay on their property, they feed you, they house you, but they… you dictate how many hours a day you actually work.

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vicki fisk: And you get to travel around to all kinds of different areas, and it's worldwide. You can go anywhere in the world, and woof.

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vicki fisk: Woof woof.

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matt: Right on.

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Bo H: Let's do this, guys. How about we each compilate a list of… … community building… …

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Bo H: our communities that are there, ideas, websites, etc, etc, and you can send them to me, and I'll compilate them, and I'll throw them up as an article.

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Bo H: on our VBS page, which you'll be able to find at bbsradio.com forward slash down and dirty.

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vicki fisk: Which is Down and Dirty with Bo and Vic.

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vicki fisk: on our Facebook page, because I post all your articles and things on that, too.

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Bo H: So, we still have about 20-ish minutes. Where do you want to go next, guys?

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vicki fisk: Well, I'd love to hear from different people on… on what they're doing. You know, it would be so nice to get feedback, and I don't know how we're gonna get that, but, you know, people are welcome to get on our Facebook page and

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vicki fisk: Hey, your article, you know, or your podcast, you know, this is what we're doing. It'd be really nice to get some feedback from people that we can then share and enhance and support.

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Bo H: It's actually on the same place where you will be able to find our article.

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Bo H: If you scroll down the page, there is a place where you can submit emails.

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Bo H: Okay. So they can't email….

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Bo H: PBS as well, yep.

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vicki fisk: It'd be really nice to just start that online community so that we can start hearing from people that our podcasts are reaching about what are you doing? What… and what are you, you know, how… how did you do it? How are you structuring it? How's it working, you know?

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matt: once you start verbalizing, I mean, like, the thought, the vision is a beautiful catalyst to the next phase. Speaking it into existence is the next phase of that.

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matt: And that helps… The universe know what your desires are to help start orchestrating these dreams with you.

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matt: And to not stop there, because it requires, you know, like Vicki said, maybe at some point in our collective evolution, where the thought can instantly manifest into reality, but we're not… I'm not there. It requires physical action, and…

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matt: what that can look like is researching, it could be phone call, it could be reaching out to your community, ensuring your space for a potluck. Like, the list is endless of how

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matt: to start trying to manifest your dreams with action, because a thought is only a thought without any action. It isn't going to go too far.

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Bo H: Another thing you can do is volunteer, or take a class.

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Bo H: And, you know, like you were saying earlier, Matt, baby steps. It just takes baby steps. You have to have the courage and the bravery

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Bo H: To go for what you want.

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Bo H: I do have to say, I have a little story, though. I do have to say, I did a verbal manifestation. One night, I was talking to my friend Lauren. Thursday night, April… or, excuse me, January 16th, I told her I wanted a schnauzer puppy, and the next morning, Lily showed up on my front porch, literally.

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matt: So….

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Bo H: Sometimes you can speak your manifestations into, manifesting.

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vicki fisk: Yeah?

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vicki fisk: When everything aligns, it's undeniable.

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Bo H: Yeah.

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matt: Yeah, I think there's, you know, along the lines of…

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matt: the research, there's a lot of… a couple of the communities, like, that you're familiar with, with…

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matt: Oh, Exit and Build is, I think, their handle. If you look up Exit and Build, you'll find the Freedom Cell Network, and…

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matt: they have laid out a really beautiful outline of how to exit the Matrix, and find your tribe, and…

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matt: Co-create what you want your life to be outside of our collective in…

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matt: illusion paradigm matrix. So there's others aside from them, too. Just a little bit of research will provide a lot.

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matt: of opportunity.

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Bo H: So one thing I wanted to bring up was, … So…

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Bo H: my friend Q always said that

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Bo H: We had a show on BBS called Homesteading.

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Bo H: And he always said that when you are free on your land, nobody can tell you what to do.

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Bo H: And he was working towards… actually…

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Bo H: reinvigorating the Homestead Act of, I believe it was 1861, which was

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Bo H: Which was… which was never overturned, it still is viable.

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Bo H: But it's… You have to find land that, in succession, there's no successor for the land.

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Bo H: Long story short.

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Bo H: I just wanted to mention that my friend Robin will have a show on in this time slot, which is a…

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Bo H: It's Saturday at noon Central. That's going to be our new time slot from now on.

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Bo H: And every other week, Robin will be on with her homesteading show. It's taking up where Q left off, and I'm not exactly sure what she's calling it, but it's… let's just, for shits and giggles, call it Homesteading 2.0.

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Bo H: But… but having land does really make a lot of difference. However, like I mentioned last week.

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Bo H: I feel… I feel freer than I ever have living in an apartment building with certain parameters that I can and can't do.

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Bo H: Because it's internal. So, that's kind of… that was getting off… that's getting off subject a little bit, but we're kind of wrapped… we're trying to tie in some of the things we spoke about last time with what does it mean to be free, and what does it mean to be in a community.

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Bo H: So, I thought I'd bring that in.

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vicki fisk: Thank you.

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matt: Thank you, yes.

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vicki fisk: That's important.

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vicki fisk: Hmm.

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vicki fisk: Yeah, just take a step. One step is all it takes, or one question. Just have a good question that you're seeking an answer to, and then start asking people to help you

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vicki fisk: Dive deeper into it.

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vicki fisk: I think without the question, I mean, all spiritual… all spiritual journeys has to start with one question. It's like, is this enough? Is this as good as it gets?

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vicki fisk: something's missing here. What am I missing, you know? I don't feel like all my actions in the world are paying me the big bonus that I was guaranteed if I followed this curriculum, you know?

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vicki fisk: So, what's missing? You know, ask… if you ask those kind of questions, and you're actually interested in finding an answer to them, that's when your real journey begins, and that's with building community, that's with starting with the soil to plant your gardens, and

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vicki fisk: All of these things start with.

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vicki fisk: I, I think there's more to this than… than… than I'm getting.

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vicki fisk: And once again, it requires… it requires some effort, because nothing's free here. I mean, I don't know how it happened on this earth, but really, nothing's free. We have to work for almost everything we have here.

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matt: Well, I… I have my opinion on how it happens.

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vicki fisk: Yeah, well, I mean, I'm just saying, we're the only species on Earth that have to pay to live here.

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Bo H: Exactly!

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vicki fisk: Have to.

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Bo H: Exactly. Do the birds worry about paying rent to the tree where they build their nest? I think not.

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vicki fisk: Yeah.

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Bo H: You know, that's a… well, that's a whole other show we should look at. Yeah, we can do that, we can do that.

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vicki fisk: Yeah.

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Bo H: Anything else you'd like to add to our conversation, Matt?

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Bo H: Still a few minutes left.

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matt: … I think… Like, for those that are maybe in a space of…

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matt: You know, like, tying back into freedom and community and…

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matt: One of your first episodes that we… You shared about…

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matt: building soil and creating gardens. I… I just encourage others, like, Towards those steps of…

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matt: Like, first steps towards freedom.

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matt: and… and community is grow it, like, what Vicki's up to, with sharing her abundance with others, and …

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matt: For others to grow food is, like…

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matt: Such an important step towards sovereignty and freedom, and what we can

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matt: Contribute to community, and even in our own neighborhood, our own, …

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matt: hyper-local community, I think that's a huge thing that helps network us together, and…

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matt: Soil, another segue to the gateway to freedom, or backyard chickens. Those kinds of things that help create…

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matt: Such abundance and things that recirculate into Creating soil, and food, and… What that provides… community…

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matt: right where we're at, I think, is really… beautiful, and…

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vicki fisk: But I wanted to say that…

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vicki fisk: Our greatest community is right outside your back door.

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matt: Right on.

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vicki fisk: All the plants, all the animals, all the creatures, all the trees.

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vicki fisk: That really is our community. That's our first community.

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vicki fisk: You know? And… you don't have to… you don't have to go anywhere.

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vicki fisk: To become more acquainted With that community, and share, you know, invite people over to share.

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vicki fisk: Do you know?

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matt: Mmm.

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vicki fisk: Pretty simple.

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matt: And we tend to complicate things a lot more than it really is, but my greatest community is right out my back door.

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vicki fisk: I never want for anything when I'm back there. I get in my zone. I see so many critters, so many bugs, you know, birds come and visit. I mean, it just is really…

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vicki fisk: It's sustaining. It sustains you. It fills your heart. It fills your… your whole energetic frequency with this… rich…

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vicki fisk: It's just rich.

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matt: Because that's….

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Bo H: That's how humans were meant to live.

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vicki fisk: Exactly.

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matt: Exactly.

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Bo H: In… in… in community with nature. Communing with nature.

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vicki fisk: communing. Yeah.

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Bo H: I have a little cricket friend that I see every morning.

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Bo H: kind of bother him a little bit when I'm watering my pots, but yeah, and I have birds, I feed the birds, hummingbirds.

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vicki fisk: No.

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Bo H: Come all the time.

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Bo H: I've seen marmots, and we've even had moose visit our… my apartment building, so there you go, that's the community here.

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vicki fisk: Nice.

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vicki fisk: Nice.

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Bo H: So, what do you think, guys?

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vicki fisk: I would just… I would just end on… The principle of gratitude

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vicki fisk: It will… if you just concentrate on gratitude, it will take you all the way to whatever you want.

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vicki fisk: To wherever you want to get, to whoever you're supposed to meet, to just start your day with gratitude and being grateful for what you do have.

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vicki fisk: And the universe hears that, and they give you more of what you just said you're thankful for. And that's a really good point on our manifesting things.

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vicki fisk: Because that's a language that the universe knows. And you just say it… I say it out loud. I tell the universe what I'm grateful for.

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vicki fisk: my bank account, my car, my yard, my property, all the different things that I am grateful for. I do that pretty frequently. Not every day, but, you know, a couple times a month, couple times a week.

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vicki fisk: And you get more of that, because the universe then heard exactly

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vicki fisk: What to send you more of.

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matt: Hmm.

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Bo H: It's beautiful. -Oh, I'm in trouble, because I keep telling Lily how grateful I am she found me. I don't need any more dogs.

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vicki fisk: Yeah, but she's getting bigger and bigger spirit, right?

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Bo H: Yes, oh my… yeah, she's a dragon! What can I say?

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vicki fisk: Yeah.

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Bo H: All right, guys, well, I mean, it's a little bit early, but we… we can sign off, unless you have something else, Matt, you'd like to contribute?

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matt: No, I think that ending on gratitude and positivity and…

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matt: Trying to create the feeling….

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vicki fisk: Mmm.

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matt: Of abundance, and joy, and…

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matt: connection, and that's what is gonna be provided you. Like, if we're spaced in scarcity and lack, that's what it'll be. So, yeah, keep your being up, and keep loving, and smiling, and…

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matt: Connecting in the small ways, and that's creating community, like, smiling at strangers along the path, and….

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vicki fisk: fair.

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matt: No, like, yeah, like….

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vicki fisk: Yes.

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matt: Have a beautiful day! You know, those kinds of things, it's really… it goes so sweet the long way.

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vicki fisk: It does.

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Bo H: I just want to say how grateful I am to both of you.

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vicki fisk: I….

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Bo H: I feel you in my heart, and I love you both, and I'm so grateful for you.

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Bo H: And since we're logging off, I'll say how grateful I am to BBS Radio, Don, Thomas, Doug.

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Bo H: at all the others behind the scenes. Thank you so much for hosting us. I'm grateful for my family.

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Bo H: And I'm grateful for my friends.

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Bo H: And I'm grateful for the community that we are all building together.

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Bo H: I love you all.

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vicki fisk: Lovely.

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matt: Thank you. Yeah, love you too. Love all you out there.

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Bo H: Yeah, love you all out there. Take care, and we will be back on, Saturday. I don't have my calendar in front of me, but 2 weeks a day on Saturday at noon.

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Bo H: Central time, I gotta get used to saying that. Love you all, and you can cue the music!

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vicki fisk: Alright!

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vicki fisk: Adios!

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matt: Here, Joe, for now.