Well, this is Karen Cataline and we continue a new era here on the Alan Nathan show with
the Alan Nathan All Stars in the news of the untimely passing of Alan Nathan and it is
in his memory and honor that we continue the show.
In the meantime, Karen Cataline and I have often done Mondays and we'll probably continue
doing that and it will be my honor to do so.
We welcome Executive Director of the Center for Immigration Studies.
His articles have appeared in outlets such as the Washington Post, The New York Times.
His most recent publication is Open Immigration, Yay or Nay, co-authored with Alex No Rasta
at the Cato Institute, which is a libertarian think tank in case you wanted to know.
Mark Krikorian joins us right now on the Alan Nathan show and the Alan Nathan All Stars.
How do you soon as that make me an All Star too as a guest?
Oh absolutely you are.
You know, we have a lot to talk about with immigration enforcement in Chicago.
Interestingly, if you wrote a book on immigration, Yay or Nay and the Cato Institute, well,
libertarians have been notoriously open borders.
Could you speak to that because look at what we got today, you know, as a result of completely
open borders?
Oh absolutely.
I mean, that's the libertarians have always been for that.
Yeah.
The way I look at it is that they in the old days, I'm talking like 40, 50 years ago,
the main issues in politics were things where libertarians and conservatives agree like
the size of government, taxes, regulation and all that stuff.
They haven't changed their thoughts on that, but the most important issues now are what
one writer calls the national question, sovereignty, borders, immigration, that sort of thing.
And on those issues, the libertarians are part of the left coalition.
So they're becoming an eccentric part of the left wing alliance when they used to be
an eccentric part of the right wing alliance.
So interesting.
I mean, we've had what was it, the Koch brothers, one of them is still with us.
I used to have those arguments with libertarians and say, well, maybe it could work if we didn't
have a massive and robust welfare state.
But if you combine the welfare state with open immigration, open borders, how is that
in any way either constitutional or free market?
Yeah.
I mean, the in that regard, the people often quote Milton Friedman, the libertarian economists
who said you can't have open immigration and a welfare state.
Yes.
The libertarian response is, yes, that's true.
So we have to get rid of the welfare state.
My response is, OK, do that.
And then give me a call.
You know, it's not happening.
And I'm not even sure we would want it to happen.
At least I mean, look, I'm a conservative.
I want I want a system of social provision for the poor to be tightly run, not lead the
dependency, all of that stuff.
But we're going to have something like that.
We're not going to let people die on the steps of the emergency room.
You know, that isn't happening.
Right.
We never will.
And it's a fascinating argument to preface.
The argument you're here to talk about is not so much of an argument.
I'm dying to know more about what's happening in Chicago in particular with this just comical
fellow, not because he is overweight, but because he is absolutely irrational.
J.D.
Priscor who thinks he's going to run for president.
What's going on with immigration enforcement in Chicago?
What do we need to know?
Chicago and the county is in Cook County and the state is in Illinois are all sanctuaries
for illegal aliens.
And what that means is the local law enforcement is not allowed to cooperate in any way with
immigration enforcement.
And by that, I do not mean that they're not allowed to go around asking people for their
green cards.
ICE doesn't want local police doing that.
What they want is that when local police arrest people for their own reasons, you know, they're
drug dealers.
They're drunk drivers.
They're wife feeders.
Whatever it is that when they're fingerprinted and those fingerprints go to DHS, which they
do now, as well as the FBI, that if they're illegal, that they hold on to them until ICE
can come and get them.
That's all ICE wants.
And these jurisdictions won't do that.
They literally release onto the street criminals who are deportable and who could be deported
and removed from the community, which would benefit everybody, especially immigrant communities,
because that's where most of these dirtbags live.
And yet they won't do it.
And so I was actually, we did a podcast on this, our current podcast at CIS.org.
You can find it there and anywhere else.
But I interviewed one of our analysts who was just in the Chicago area talking to law enforcement
people.
I was just there last week speaking at a university and went down and visited, or not visited,
got near the ICE Detention Center outside Chicago, where all of the ruckus has been.
There have been riots and stuff there.
There wasn't much going on.
It was the middle of the day.
And there were several old people walking around with signs.
And there was one joker with an inflatable rubber duck costume.
It was kind of absurd.
But what's happening is that the city government, the mayor, Brandon Johnson, and the governor,
the Eurofridude, J.V. Pritzker, who is not going to be president regardless of what he
thinks are.
Let's run them.
Yeah, exactly.
I mean, maybe he can be a camel as a camel as a man.
No, no, let's run.
I mean, I think Republicans are looking at it and going, OK, we'll take that.
Yeah.
And so what they're basically doing is interfering with ICE.
In fact, recently there was an incident that the ICE officers, it was in the city of Chicago.
They were threatened by a mob and the local, in the Chicago police department, not the
chief, but like the local guy who was answerable on that shift, told the Chicago cops to stand
down and not protect the ICE agents from the physical threats they were facing.
That's why the president has talked about sending National Guard and other federal
assets to not to arrest people, but to protect federal facilities and protect federal officers.
Yeah.
And let's stick with Illinois and Chicago for a moment.
It's not as if Chicago doesn't have an enormously historic history that's redundant, of rioting
and violence and mob history.
It's like a veritable treasure trove of unrest that we've had.
And now we have, now there's this governor and mayor who are actually proud to act like
Baghdad Bobs and say there is no violence in Chicago.
Right.
I mean, it's kind of funny because I mean, it's terrifyingly funny.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You know, if they go a weekend without, you know, some two digit number of shootings,
it's a big deal, you know.
So it really is irrational and irrational, both in the sense of, you know, kind of crazy,
but also sub rational owners are not doing this.
I don't think they're really doing this, even Pritzker for specific political objectives
or with some kind of strategy in mind.
They just think that immigration enforcement is evil in itself, especially if the bad
orange man in Washington is ordering it.
But even if it wasn't him, it's evil.
It's like Jim Crow.
And so they're against the idea of immigration enforcement period.
And that's I think they're more disingenuous than that, Mark.
I mean, not every single one of them, not every single one of them, but the ones that
have set this agenda for the left and the radical left, which control.
They've done it all along for some of the most, well, we've talked about this for years.
Some of the most evil and cynical reasons to change voter registrations, to change demographics,
to bring in unvetted terrorists into our country.
I mean, that's basically what they're defending.
How do you conclude anything else?
And sometimes I think Republicans are a little too shy to say it out loud, which is they
brought terrorists into our country after 9-11 and everything else.
They didn't think it was important to vet them.
Anyway, gosh, I wish we had more time, Mark.
How do people find you?
Follow you.
We're my center's online at CIS.org.
And if you have a taste for snark and sarcasm, I'm on Twitter at Mark S as in Stephen.
Mark S. Cracorio.
Oh, I love it.
We have a lot of taste for that around here.
Thanks for joining us.
Mark Cracorio, and we'll be back with the L and Nathan All-Stars after this.
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Welcome back to the Alineathan show and the Alineathan All-Stars.
I'm Karen Kattelene probably doing Mondays from here on out for the most part.
Aline's are a little bit disarray here or not disarray but in transition I guess.
But we're not going to abandon the tradition of calling it Alineathan show or the Alineathan
All-Stars.
If you were listening over the weekend, you heard a tribute program to Alineathan, the whole
reason for the show.
And I encourage you to listen to that on the main street radio network.com.
I listened to it over the weekend.
There were tributes.
There were wonderful clips of Aline when he met his wife Jane many moons ago when they
first met on the air and their discussion was really, really entertaining.
They mixed it up quite well and they argued and like all good talk show hosts do.
And it's a sad time for all of us here at the Main Street Radio Network.
We are expecting our next guest whom we may or may not get.
So I want to I guess regroup just a little bit and talk about this upcoming mayoral race.
We keep talking about it and it's a very helpless feeling to see somebody who is an
avowed Marxist and avowed communist.
All these names, democratic socialism, it's communism.
Democratic socialism is what the Nazis were.
So Democrats who have constantly accused Donald Trump and every Republican of being a Nazi,
of being Hitler, which is utterly disgraceful.
They it's okay for them with a a candidate who has a Nazi symbol.
I guess it was a swastika.
I didn't see it trying to cover it up and they cover it up.
It's perfectly okay that they embrace communism now, which is what they are doing.
So we are going to be talking about it's hard not to call them anything but commie,
mom, Donnie, and the election is soon.
The biggest thing about communists is that they lie about what they really intend.
They intend to take over economies.
They tend intend to take over private property.
They don't like proper private property.
They want the government to own everything just like the World Health Organization.
You will own nothing, but you will be happy.
Yeah, they're going to tell us how to feel too.
We felt enough of this and we saw enough of this in the auto pen administration and the
Obama administration before it, which was really, you know, three terms of Obama.
So there's more to be said about this and I will be hoping to say more about it.
We have a truncated segment here with our guest who's holding on the line from Harvard
University historian and co-author of the Golden Thread a history of Western tradition.
James Hankins joins us here on the Elinathan All Stars.
Hi, James.
Good to have you along.
I'm happy to be here.
Thanks for having me on.
Welcome, welcome.
So do tell us about your book and about the Golden Thread.
What does that mean and how is it important for our listeners today with the tumultuous
times and change that we're living in right now?
Well, the Golden Thread is a metaphor for the Western tradition.
The book is about a history of the Western tradition from the ancient Greeks and Romans
down to the Middle Ages and in the modern world.
And we are basically with this book, my co-author and I, Alen Gelso, are trying to recover the
history of Western civilization, which has not been taught in our schools, either at
the K-12 level or at the university level for about 40 years.
And it's not just about the Western tradition, but about the Western tradition.
And I couldn't help but overhearing what you were saying about Mondami when I was logging
on to your show.
And one of the reasons that immediately struck me, that people are signing up for this guy
is because they know absolutely nothing about the Western tradition, history of communism
in the 20th century.
It's probably a failed idea one more time, guys.
But our book, of course, goes much further back.
And we have a goal to try to get people to understand their past better, that we have
all this incredible partisanship and we can't come up with any common definitions.
Well, but that's by design.
And I mean, the left that is affiliated with communism, Marxism and so much else that took
over the Democrat party that our parents, grandparents remember, they want students
to have amnesia and not know that it's not just that it's failed communism.
It's that it's tyrannical and has created murder of governments, of its own people.
I sometimes get frustrated when people say it's failed.
Well, if you're trying to create tyranny and genocide, which communism is responsible
for, then it was really quite successful.
Yeah.
Well, yeah.
That's not something I think people who want socialism today, and I have people in my family
who calls themselves democratic socialists.
They really have no idea what that means.
They think that adding a word Democrat is going to make socialism good, right?
As though socialism has ever favored democracy.
Never.
Yeah.
The deeper problem for me is that nobody knows what democracy means.
Nobody knows what a republic is.
We are a republic.
Yes.
It can be as prior towards democracy, but we're not a democracy.
We're a republic.
But all of these terms have got meanings that are rooted in our past.
And when you have people who are completely ignorant of the past, you know, it's not
surprised that they can't agree on definitions.
People just say democracy is what happened to like.
No, they don't know what they're talking about.
And then they said Trump was a threat to democracy.
You know what I find fascinating, James?
And we have a very short ensegment.
I'm sorry to say.
I said, you're from Harvard.
You were Harvard University historian.
Did you actually teach at Harvard?
Because Harvard is among the worst of the worst of communist universities running around
protesting in favor of Hamas, a terrorist organization.
Yeah.
How did you survive there?
Or did you give us a quick sketch of that?
It's going to have to be very quick.
I apologize.
Well, I've taught at Harvard for 40 years.
And I have to say, I don't think that the whole university is corrupt.
I think a lot of people just keep their head down.
And the people with the biggest mouths are the ones who have the emptiest heads.
And they tend to be administrators and graduate students.
Got it.
How do we get your book, The Golden Thread?
It's on Amazon.
It's deeply discounted on Amazon.
OK.
It's called The Golden Thread, the author's James Hankins, H-A-N-K-I-N-S.
Thank you so much, James, for joining us.
We so appreciate your time.
Thanks for having me on.
Our pleasure.
We'll have to have you back.
So we're going to take a quick break.
We are well on the way in our second hour of the Allen Nathan All-Star.
Stay tuned.
We'll be right back on the Main Street Radio Network.
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Welcome back to the Ellen Nathan All-Stars.
I'm Karen Kathleen with you.
Good to have you along.
And we are welcoming clinical psychologist Dr. Toby Watson to the program.
I don't have too much more information at the moment, but I'm happy to welcome Dr. Watson
and we'll get a little bit more information about you right now.
Welcome.
Thank you, Karen.
Nice to be here.
Nice to talk with you.
And if you like a little background on me, I can certainly share that with you.
I would love that.
And are you the author of the article when pills turn dangerous?
I am not, but I am familiar with that article.
Okay.
I apologize too.
Go ahead.
Tell us about yourself.
No, that's perfectly okay.
So I'm a clinical psychologist here in Wisconsin.
I do work, concierge work nationally all over.
I was one of the researchers who presented data to the FDA to get black box warning labels
on certain medications that we call SSRI, the antidepressant medications and sometimes
used for anti-anxiety.
I've given testimony all over the world of help, right legislation all over the world.
And so I get involved in some cases, forensic cases, when bad things happen.
So sometimes somebody takes a medication, a psychotropic medication, no history of violence.
And then they turn and they kill someone, you know, or they do something in the same
way in the humane act.
And they're trying to scratch their heads of how this happened.
And my area of expertise is in outcome research on psychotropic medications.
So I can talk to the courts and give them this data as well as related to like ECT and
things of that nature.
So drug companies don't like me, a lot of psychiatrists don't like me.
Patients tend to like me a lot.
Attorneys either hate me or love me.
And again, I speak, you know, whatever I can based on the research and unfortunately, you
know, there's a lot of misinformation out there.
So that's my background in addition to doing some introduction.
Oh, excellent, excellent.
Well we've been hearing for years that the antidepressants and psychiatric medications
could actually be fueling violence.
And that began around the time I think of Columbine in my hometown area in Colorado,
when people started talking about that.
And how does, how do we make that connection?
Because there are people who believe it absolutely.
There are other people who say, well, I'll believe it when somebody comes out and says
so, is it actually true that these antipsychotics and psychiatric medications for depression
and what have you are actually fueling the very violence that they were created to prevent?
Yes, unequivocally 1000% without question.
Anybody that's a researcher, what their fault knows this to be absolutely true.
That the antidepressants, particular, the SSRIs, selective serotonin, reuptake inhibitors,
absolutely increased suicidal ideation and thoughts and also the behavior.
And the FDA acknowledged it.
That's why we have these black box warning labels on her.
And there is an element of causality.
It's not just correlational data.
The idea of the acknowledges that it is causal.
One of the reasons that I think we understand this is that it increases something we call
acastasia.
And acastasia is made between 1% to 5% for those taking SSRIs.
And it's even higher for people taking antipsychotics.
And it's an inner restlessness where you just feel agitated and you kind of get numb to your
feelings but you just want to crawl out of your skin.
And it's a very painful kind of place to be at with the agitation and everything that
goes along with that.
So when you want to crawl your skin and you got this agitation, you've already got maybe
some feelings of hopelessness or loss.
And unfortunately it even happens in the group that doesn't have that.
So if you come in for like some anxiety or test taking anxiety and they put you on this
type of medication, even in that group you find people who ultimately try to commit suicide,
commit acrobymes and they really struggle.
Sanjay Gupa, you mentioned Columbine.
He acknowledged it right after Columbine.
He was on CNN, came out that week, a few days or the day afterwards and said, hey, let's
not forget the anti-depressant medications are known to cause this type of behavior and
they could have contributed.
And when you look at, you know, there was other people too that had mentioned that.
And nobody wanted to hear that, did they?
A lot of people wanted to shut that conversation down.
They did not want to hear it.
So because our segments are so short, I want to get this question out.
And that is, we all know that there are certain people and entities or organizations that
want to stunt this information.
And we always hear, well, it's money, the drug companies want money, money, money, money.
Is there a possibility that the motive is even more sinister than money and that there
are some people who actually want to encourage this kind of violent behavior because they
have a political agenda?
I'm thinking in terms of, and I don't even know your politics, I'm thinking in terms of
things like the fast and furious thing where they created the problem in order to present
the solution, which generally has a lot to do with them taking more power or taking
our Second Amendment rights or whatever it may be, there's an agenda there that really
does not care about innocent human life at all.
Have you come across this at all?
Do you think it's a fallacy?
What?
Absolutely.
There's no question that this is politically motivated and just for your audience and the
listeners.
You know, go on to Twitter and type in the man you don't know.
That is a movie that I made with the Trump family actually.
So I'm the executive producer of that film, so it'll give you a little idea.
I'm political leaning.
You know, that was even not a new bio.
The man you don't know.
Yeah, and I just gave a talk about Charlie Kirk right before his murder two weeks beforehand
and was going to be doing more talks with him as well.
Unfortunately, obviously with that tragedy, it's changing now a bit.
So let's get back to the question.
The question is, you know, is this politically motivated?
And to some extent, it is.
When you look at, and again, I don't want to alienate half your audience or maybe all
your audience, but when you look at more radical left ideology and you go back many years,
the things that occurred that are major transition was one removing, you know, fathers from inner
city homes and that by design.
And they also incentivize that, you know, with money.
These, you know, children that often aren't poverty, often on Medicaid, Medicare, these
kids disproportionately get much more medication at higher doses when they account for the diagnosis
and symptom severity.
So we know that they're drugging that population more than any other population.
And we know that that increases, again, aggression and suicide and a whole host of general medical
decline.
So what you tend to find, and there's a great book called Anatomy of an Epidemic, and it
highlights that you basically get more and more disabled the longer you stay on them.
And it gives the neurology of why that happens.
So you work your whole life kind of saving and paying into the system.
And then when you're about to reap the benefits, sorry, you die 20 years prematurely, which
is what the data is showing us.
So I do think that there's a lot of incentivization to do this and kickbacks and we know this
happens.
Dr. Watson, because you met just, you know, a variety of, you know, low hanging fruit
here, and that is in the, in the assassination murder of Charlie Kirk, do we know if this
guy was on medication, have you had anything to do with the investigation of that?
I think he was.
Was he not?
I don't have direct knowledge of this.
I'm not involved in that investigation related to that right now.
And I don't have any direct knowledge.
So I can't comment on, and there's too much misinformation, I think being spread to really
hone in for sure.
What I can tell you though, is that we have a profile and the FBI has had a profile on
who are these types of shooters, whether the school shooters or, you know, political activist
types shooters and things like that.
And he definitely, you know, fits, I mean, when they asked, well, I should say that when
somebody asked me for that profile, I gave the profile and I have to say that I was pretty
dang right on the money.
And so it would not surprise me.
I would put my money on that.
Yes, he was taking some sort of psychiatric medication.
Although again, I have no, and based on statistics.
You know, I have a background as an MSW and I went to Columbia, that very, very conservative
school.
And one could say that the social contagion and drug of trans politics and ideology is
also a drug that creates depression.
We were told that gender dysphoria is why we have to do mastectomies on 12 year olds,
but then, you know, most people, you didn't have to have a degree of any kind to recognize
that they were creating the gender dysphoria.
So that they could name children.
It's terrifying.
Gosh, it's such a short segment.
Dr. Watson, how do people find you and I can't wait to have you back?
Yeah, go to no more about drugs.org and you can look me up there or just anywhere on
Instagram.
Dr. Toby Watson.
Dr. Toby Watson, thank you.
Pleasure to meet you.
Thank you.
We're going to wrap, thank you.
We'll wrap up the show of the L and A th and all stars right after this.
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Welcome back to the Allen Nathan All-Stars.
I'm Karen Cataline with you today.
And we close out this show with executive director of the Climate Science Coalition of
America and author four books on energy, climate change and sustainable development with over
a hundred thousand copies in print.
His name is Stephen Gorham and his latest book is Green Breakdown, the coming renewable
energy failure.
Steve Gorham joins us right now.
Glad to have you along, Steve.
Hi, Karen.
Great to join you again.
Yes.
Good to have you.
So, electrical prices, electricity prices are rising due to all this green energy stuff
they're trying to push down our throats.
And now, Donald Trump calls it the green, green new scam.
What do we need to know?
It's excellent because you got to have that kind of thing so people understand nobody's
kidding around here.
That's really what it was.
Now people are figuring out there have been a lot of scams that have tried to, they've
tried to perpetrate upon us and telling us that you're bad and evil if you disagree.
That's always the red flag, isn't it?
No, thanks, Oi.
Yeah, what's going on with this lately that we need to know?
I call it climatism.
It's probably the biggest superstition of modern history, the idea that a trace gas can
be causing dangerous global warming.
Yet the world is spending over $2 trillion a year on wind and solar and some other renewables
trying to control the temperature of the planet.
But we've also had, you know, the one big beautiful bill was passed this summer.
And what it did was it's passed in Congress.
It slashed the subsidies for wind and solar and a bunch of other things.
And so a lot of the folks on the left have been coming out saying that prices are rising
because the one big beautiful bill was passed.
The thing is though that bill doesn't really take effect for another year.
Oh, that's just a little convenient fact that they, a little inconvenient fact, kind of like
Trump is demolishing the White House and he's not going to put anything back.
He's just going to start demolishing the White House.
Yeah, go ahead.
Yeah, that's pretty crazy.
And then if you look at where prices are rising, you find out they're they're primarily rising
in the blue states.
California, Maine, New York, Maryland, Massachusetts and Connecticut, all in the last five years,
their electricity prices are up 30% or more.
California is up 58% in five years.
The US average is about 22 and a half percent.
The average electricity price that's going up, which is just about equal to inflation.
But places like Georgia and Florida and Texas and Missouri that are still using a lot of
natural gas and in some cases coal have prices that are rising lower than the national average.
So the left is trying to say this is through the one big beautiful bill.
But if you really look at it, it's where they're in putting in these green policies.
Yeah.
And, you know, we don't have a lock on the media anymore.
I mean, there isn't a lock against conservatives anymore on the media, but somehow that message
doesn't seem to come through, does it?
We still are not hearing that.
I don't know why.
I mean, I do.
But do you feel like that people are beginning to figure it out that there being lied to
on this?
There's some big things going on in New Jersey, for example.
The two candidates have made this the biggest issue in New Jersey, the cost of electricity.
And so they're both campaigning.
But New Jersey, what they did was they closed a nuclear plant, five coal plants and two
gas plants in the last five or 10 years.
Oh, they have a shortage of power.
So I think in some places, people are really learning.
California is another one.
You know, running your air conditioner on a medium sized house in California costs $1,000
a month now in New England.
New England, it's also very high, Massachusetts, Connecticut.
But the reason there is that the state of New York has stopped pipelines for many years
going to New England.
They've just said, well, we're going to do them on pipelines.
And so what they're doing is they're importing liquefied natural gas at world prices, which
is very high.
And so the price of gas in New England is two or three times as high as the rest of the
country.
And so they're feeling it as well.
But you know, this is part of the green breakdown.
I think people are going to get back to sensible energy policies and away from these green
ideas.
Yeah.
And finally, finally, finally, we have a president who's not afraid to call it what
it is a scam.
I do believe, you can tell me if I'm wrong, that the one among the very first executive
orders that he the reversed or put into effect is to continue with the Keystone pipeline,
that the Democrats have been committed to shutting down every time a Democrat got an
office, they shut it down.
And every time a Republican got an office, which has only been Donald Trump in the last
15, 16 years, they put it back.
Yeah.
Am I right?
I think he's trying to find a company to restart it.
But I don't know that anyone has decided to do that yet.
But he is negotiating with the governor of New York, whose name I'm forgetting right
now to restart two pipelines to get gas into.
Really, Kathy Hochl?
Kathy Hochl.
The most leftist governor.
We're not going to let you do any offshore win unless you put some of these pipelines
in.
So he's using leverage in a number of areas.
But yeah, Mr. Trump's got it right.
And of course, the other big thing that we've talked about in the past is the artificial
intelligence revolution has exploded.
And we have this tremendous demand for electricity all over the country for these data centers
that Metah and Microsoft, Amazon and others are building.
And this is just, when I present, I show this slide with a huge tidal wave, which is the,
I call the AI revolution at a little tiny sailboat, which is net zero in green policies.
And they're just going to get washed away by what's going on with the AI revolution.
You know, I wonder, Steve, if that's not among the reasons the big tech people who were working
against Trump avidly, like Zuckerberg and all these guys, the first thing that happened
is one among the first things they went down and they appeared to kiss Donald Trump's ring
after he was elected around about this time a year ago.
Now, you think the border of a are AI?
Yeah.
And so is Chris Wright and all these companies want to build it.
They think it's the next big thing.
And indeed, we've a number of data centers in the US is up 50% in less than two years.
So they're building these things all over the place.
And you can't run these on wind and solar.
You need 24 hour power.
So it's a big big change.
Well, that, you know, we have to wrap it up.
What do you want to leave us leave us with?
And how do we find you?
Yeah, I got to hold the green breakdown.
They can go to my website, Steve Gorham, G-O-R-E-H-A-M dot com.
I'll send them a signed copy on Amazon as well.
And it'll give them a real story.
Yeah.
Well, keep up the great work.
We so appreciate it.
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