Spouting Off, June 28, 2026
Spouting Off with Karen Kataline
COVID Reckoning, American Beauty, and the Fight to Reclaim Health, Culture, and Truth
Spouting Off Through Uncensored Debate
In this episode of Spouting Off, host Karen Kataline frames the program around free speech, uncensored ideas, debate, and the importance of challenging official narratives. Filling in on The Alan Nathan Show format, she moves through three major conversations: the aftermath of COVID policy with John Leake, the defense of American culture with Michael Finch, and questions about women’s health, pharmaceuticals, and informed consent with Jennifer Galardi. The episode is strongly opinion-driven and rooted in Karen’s concerns about liberty, censorship, government power, public health policy, and cultural decline.
John Leake on COVID, Fear, and Global Lockstep
Karen’s first guest, John Leake, discusses his work with Dr. Peter McCullough, including The Courage to Face COVID-19 and their newer book Vaccines, Mythology, Ideology, and Reality. Karen and Leake revisit the trauma of COVID lockdowns, mandates, masking, and public fear, with Leake arguing that Western nations appeared to move in unusual lockstep during the crisis. He compares the public-health response to a psychological operation, citing isolation, division, fear, and hypervigilance as tools that shaped public behavior. Karen adds that many people still carry emotional and behavioral imprints from that period.
Vaccine Mythology and the Question of Trust
In the second part of the Leake interview, Karen turns to vaccines and asks why vaccine policy has become such a political dividing line. Leake discusses the early history of smallpox variolation in Boston in 1721, arguing that the vaccine enterprise has often relied not only on science but also on belief, ideology, and public faith. He says some vaccines may provide protection for some people in some cases, but rejects the idea that every vaccine is automatically safe, effective, or appropriate for everyone. Karen also raises concerns about mandates, monkeypox policy in California, accountability, and what she sees as unresolved public anger over COVID-era decisions.
Michael Finch and the Defense of American Beauty
Karen’s next guest, Michael Finch, president of the David Horowitz Freedom Center, discusses his book A Time to Stand: A Dire Hour to Defend American Beauty. Finch argues that American culture is rich, distinctive, and beautiful, but no longer adequately taught in schools. He points to American art, architecture, literature, poetry, national parks, and figures such as Mark Twain, Willa Cather, Walt Whitman, Thomas Cole, and Albert Bierstadt as examples of a cultural inheritance worth preserving. Karen connects this discussion to current ideological attacks on monuments, symbols, football, awards shows, and other traditional expressions of American identity.
Remembering America’s Cultural Inheritance
Finch emphasizes that defending America requires more than teaching the Constitution, Declaration of Independence, or Federalist Papers; it also requires recovering the beauty of American culture itself. He encourages listeners to visit national parks, study American paintings, read American writers, and look closely at the classical architecture of Washington, D.C. He also praises Donald Trump’s efforts to promote beautiful federal buildings and challenge ideological influence in museums such as the Smithsonian. Karen agrees that while many people have been taught to dismiss American culture, the country’s deeper inheritance is not yet lost.
Jennifer Galardi on the Pill, Pharma, and Informed Consent
The final guest, Jennifer Galardi of the Heritage Foundation, discusses an op-ed she co-authored titled “RFK Should Grill the Pill,” focused on oral contraceptives and women’s health. Galardi argues that the birth control pill is often handed out too casually for issues such as acne, cycle problems, or endometriosis, without enough discussion of possible side effects or long-term health consequences. She says the point is not to ban the pill, but to demand better research, informed consent, and honesty about risks. Karen connects the issue to broader concerns about pharmaceutical advertising, media dependence on drug-company money, and public distrust after COVID.
Science, Capture, and the Need to Ask Questions
Karen and Galardi close by discussing what they describe as the weaponization of science, corporate capture, conflicts of interest, and the difficulty of questioning medical or pharmaceutical narratives without being dismissed. Galardi says COVID changed the public conversation by exposing conflicts of interest and allowing previously silenced voices to reenter positions of influence. Karen raises concerns about injectables, drug advertising, and a cultural environment that increasingly normalizes pharmaceutical solutions. The episode ends with Karen thanking the guests and returning to the broader theme of asking difficult questions in defense of freedom, health, culture, and truth.
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Welcome back, everyone, to The Allen Athan Show.
I'm Karrion Kattoline-Fillion for Allen Today, and we're delighted to have with us John
Leake.
He's worked with Dr. Peter McCullough and was the primary author of their best-selling
book, The Courage to Face COVID-19.
His latest book co-authored with Dr. McCullough is Vaccines, Mythology, Ideology, and Reality.
What a lot of great topics to tackle.
John Leake joins us right now on The Allen Athan Show.
Hi, John.
Hi, thanks for having me.
Yeah, one of the things that makes me so pleased to have you on the schedule is that
it is very important.
I think the entire country, one could argue the entire world, were traumatized by this
seemingly almost immediate attempt not only to shut down the country and the world, but
to tyrannize.
That's the word I wanted the whole country in the world, under the guise of COVID.
People at least in America ultimately did not buy it, although I still see people now
during flu season wearing rags on their face.
It says, however many months that was imprinted on them, paranoia and hysteria.
First off, why don't we let you comment about that as to where we are?
What is it six years later coming up on the debacle of COVID?
Yes, and I think that there have been a number of reviews of what happens to us in the United
States.
Of course, what was really eerie about it was the other nations of the West, including
Australia, down in the Pacific, were strangely in lockstep.
It was like all of the public health, aperat, aperat, of the world.
It was like somebody attributed them a script.
But all of the policies were strangely identical.
All of the responses to any kind of dissident idea, whether it be the origin of the virus,
which obviously came out of a lab.
I don't know if you recall, that was vehemently denied, even though there was an abundance
of evidence.
Early treatment, everything was in lockstep.
We got the same script.
It's really disturbing about all of this.
You can read literature of psychiatrists who have done major studies, for example, POW camps,
various psychological operations carried out by military and intelligence agencies.
What was done to the civilian population looks very, very eerily similar to a PSYOP.
Isolate people, divide people, keep people in a steady state of hyper vigilance and fear.
Yes.
My conclusion is some very, very vicious malevolent tyrants run our world and they showed the
masks dropped from those guys.
I mean, we still don't know exactly who they are, but I think the totality of circumstances
supports that perception.
Yeah.
So many years later, I guess, it started in March of 2020, roughly.
And it went on, it petered out very slowly over time, no matter how much, I mean, six
years later, like I said, people wearing rags on their face.
Did you ever get a sense or whatever, how it was possible for tyrants all around the
world to seemingly get the same memo?
Usually tyrants hate each other because they're competing for power.
But in this case, it seemed everybody was marching in lockstep.
You've seen those pictures of our very own Congress kneeling on the floor to some non-existent
God, and not the God that we all have a right to or not to worship, something else
entirely.
It was like a bad sci-fi movie.
But have you come to any conclusions as to how it was possible?
Yeah.
I think that I think a great insight was presented to us by President Dwight Eisenhower when
he left office in 1961.
He gave us farewell address.
That's a tradition that goes back to George Washington.
And which he said, I'm very, very concerned about the undue influence of the military
industrial complex.
It's gotten so big, it penetrates every instance from the War Republic.
The undue influence really threatens our constitutional procedures and democratic processes.
Well, there it is.
It's the military industrial complex, which now includes the intelligence agencies and
co-opted pharmaceutical companies.
Now, I don't know if your audience realizes how big the US government has gotten.
It's a true way of them with just hundreds of agencies and very closely connected with
credit, with financing, with military, with intelligence, with industry.
And they finally worked very closely with enormous PR agencies with vast power and capital.
They study psychology and manipulation and how to get people all in lockstep.
As far as the heads of state of Australia and Great Britain and Germany, I think they're
all, they're march orders, they're all issued from the same globalist apparatus.
And it's interesting, these giants don't really conceal themselves that well.
I mean, Klaus Schwab, the then chairman of the World Economic Forum, he published a
book in the spring of 2020 called Great Reset.
And when he says, yeah, you know, here we go.
We're doing it.
And in many ways, I think we did have a reset.
I think it has backfired because I think a lot of people realize the joke was kind of
on us, like how silly of us to have been so obedient.
But anyway, I think that this globalist apparatus is probably the origin of our march orders.
Oh, yeah.
And I'll just add because it's a pleasure to talk to you about something.
A lot of people, things are moving so quickly now that we forget the major trauma that we
all lived through.
It may seem like a joke now, but real people's lives were ruined and real deaths occurred.
Many of them from medical malpractice and so many other things that which have not been
adjudicated properly and people have not been held accountable.
I don't know how you hold accountable, but it isn't interesting that Schwab is gone.
The WHO, you never hear about it anymore, but that doesn't mean they're not reconstituting.
Are you concerned that there will be another attempt like this or that it was swatted down
enough?
I still believe in accountability that people realize that this did not provide exactly
the desired outcome.
Well, it wouldn't surprise me if we have a kind of part two, another edition of this.
It's going to all come down to the virulence of Steve Pathenchin.
I think I think that what we learned is that a pathogen of high transmissibility but
low virulence, it's just not doing the young and the healthy.
So, Pat again has did a good job of terrifying us with television, electronic representations
of terror.
Essentially, we figured out this does present a certain high risk subgroups, but not to everyone.
Now, it would be different if a pathogen came out of a lap that had higher virulence,
a much higher case fatality rate.
Then I think we really would be in for another round of enormous trouble.
We're talking to John Leake and he's co-author of the book on vaccines and mythology, which
we will cover right in our next segment.
He's agreed to stay.
John Leake is with us on the Allen Nathan Show on the Main Street Radio Network.
Stay tuned for that when we come back.
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I'm Karen Cataline, for Alan today.
And we are continuing our discussion with John Leake, who has worked with Dr. Peter McCullough,
was a primary author of their best-selling book The Courage to Face COVID-19.
We're having the courage to talk about it because it's as if there's collective amnesia
out there.
Nobody has a lot of people don't have the courage to talk about it anymore because it
was just so traumatic for so many people.
And he has his latest book co-authored with Dr. McCullough, Vaccines, Mythology, Ideology
and Reality.
Thank you, John Leake, for joining us once again.
Yes, ma'am, thanks for having me.
Good.
Well, let's focus a little bit about this book and vaccine mythology.
I was delighted to see that Bobby Kennedy Jr., glad he's staying in his lane.
I'm a lot more conservative than he was.
I don't know where he is now.
But boy, the left was furious with him, which can only suggest that he's doing a good job.
Talk about the mythology of vaccines and why the left is such a major cheerleader for
any and every vaccine there is.
And they demonize anybody who dares to say, well, what's in that?
And is that really necessary?
And maybe that's not good for me.
Is that part of what your book is about?
We go back to the very beginning of this vaccine endeavor or enterprise going all the
way back to the early 8th century to a smallpox outbreak in Boston in 1721.
An early iteration of vaccines, a procedure called variolation, in which you take a small
amount of us coming from a smallpox pustule from a sick person and you transfer it with
a little incision on the arm of a healthy person.
And the idea is with that little bit of an oculum, that little inoculation, you can make
them a little bit sick with smallpox, but just a little bit sick.
And then it will protect them from severe illness.
So that was the original concept.
It's completely observational.
There was no understanding at all the infectious disease pathogens at the time.
But the idea caught on and we follow this concept is it's developed over a 300 year period.
But we discovered is vaccines primarily are not scientific enterprise.
That's the biggest myth of all.
It's an interesting observation.
There is some element of truth.
Some vaccines confer immunity for some people some of the time.
But this idea of all vaccines being suitable and being safe and effective for everybody,
for all of these infectious diseases that they're used against now, it's just not true.
And it has not been largely a matter of empirical evidence.
It's largely wishful thinking.
Articles of faith.
In the first smallpox outbreak, the biggest proponent was a Puritan minister and caught
in matter.
And he proclaimed that variolation was a gift from God.
And so we see this religiosity through the entire story all the way up to 2021 with the
new messenger RNA gene therapy rollout.
It was proclaimed to be a sort of savior and liberator of all of mankind.
And this just wasn't true.
But if I may ask, as you know, like everything has become a giant political football vaccines
and the people who cheer, cheer, cheer vaccines, any vaccines, all vaccines, and they are
willing to twist reality and say that people who are willing to put themselves at risk
and not take one are somehow putting at risk people who are taking the vaccine for whom
supposedly they were immune.
It is turning a definition of vaccine on its head and claiming that unvaxed people who
are in danger are really the danger.
It was so preposterous that it was reasonable for people to ask questions like, what's really
going on?
I'm suspicious.
And maybe this thing that they want to shoot people up with is sinister or questionable
or dangerous in some way.
But you don't have to be a conspiracy theorist to wonder why people were so zombie-like in
their support of something they really didn't understand.
Well, the first two elements here, the first is fear.
Fear can be an adaptive response if a saber tooth tiger comes charging into your cave.
You know, that big burst of adrenaline and the mind, you know, hyper focuses on the
threat.
You know, run, grab a spear, do something.
So fear is useful in that respect, but it becomes very maladaptive and in highly advanced
organized society in which people's primary channel of gaining some picture of reality
is electronic.
Well, this is great to be able to manipulate people with fear as we saw during COVID, which
leads me to what I should have asked you about earlier, but there's so much to talk about.
And that is that California may be considering a vaccine mandate against monkey pots, which
nobody is fearing yet.
And they're already ready to create a mandate for something.
Nobody is all that afraid of.
What the heck's going on there?
Well, I think that's just a combination of extreme corruption, manipulation, commercial
interests.
I mean, California is now so far beyond the pale of any kind of ordinary explanation
for human.
So I mean, that's a conversation.
I'm sure it's all about monkey.
Yes.
Is sexually transmitted illness as it has manifested or appeared.
The origin or animals like giant paltrats and Ghana.
The word became where it started transmitting amongst humans is with very, very aggressive
sexual contact.
So the proposition that we all need to get a vaccine against it is just just on the
progress.
It's utterly preposterous.
So no one can take this serious.
No reasonable person would take that serious.
Unfortunately, you get people on the street protesting Kings, which ironically enough,
the Kings that they didn't protest were during COVID in which people were told they couldn't
leave their homes.
But somehow criminals, they could let out of jail because COVID COVID.
I mean, there's a lot of anger and we haven't tapped into yet about this.
And there hasn't been enough accountability.
John Leak, thank you so much for joining us.
How do people find your new book?
Well, go to Amazon.
It was the New York Times bestseller in August of vaccines, mythology, ideology and reality
by John Leak, LEA and Dr. Peter McCullough.
Thank you so much.
We'll be right back after this.
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I'll just get right into it is President of the David Horowitz Freedom Center, author
of the new book, A Time to Stand, a dire hour to defend American beauty.
He is an Air Force veteran.
He's worked for the Heartland Institute and the Claremont Institute.
Michael Finch joins us right now on the Allen Nathan Show.
Hi Michael, thanks for joining us.
Well, Karen, thank you so much for inviting me on.
It's an honor.
So, I'm very thankful.
I know David was a frequent guest of Valence for many years.
So, I appreciate that and we miss David tremendous.
So do we.
So do we.
And it was a terrible loss that we lost him, but he created such a legacy in the Horowitz
Freedom Center.
Tell us about this book, A Time to Stand and what does it mean to what beauty are you
referring?
There's so much of it.
What specifically?
Are you referring to?
Specifically American culture, the history of American culture.
It is a beautiful history and American culture has been so aspirational.
And unfortunately, Karen, it's not being taught in the schools.
I mean, a lot of the things that I write about are things that I've learned just being self
taught in my many years of reading.
We have, I mean, we teach about the Federalist Papers and the Constitution, at least on the
Hill's Dale and a lot of the conservative think tanks.
What we really have neglected is the teaching of American culture.
And I'm talking about art and architecture, literature, poetry, all of these, all of these
items that are incredibly rich and really in discussing American beauty.
We have one of the most unique and distinctive cultures and beautiful cultures, I think,
in history.
And we don't teach it.
So I try to bring that, but I try to bring these things forward.
So Americans can understand that, yes, we do have incredibly rich history and culture.
And I think it's really important that we start learning and kind of recovering that
culture as part of this kind of movement to make America great.
We also need to remember.
And Donald Trump, I've got to say, has kind of weighed in on this among his many things
that he is fighting for for us.
But he is also weighed in on this kind of cultural battle to celebrate American beauty.
Well, I mean, to back into validating what you're saying, the very fact that this very
sinister growing support for communism, which is wholly, completely incompatible with everything
America has ever stood for.
And what do these folks do, who they've been indoctrinated to do it, is to rip down symbols
of our culture, to rip down everything America holds dear in the finest points, not just
the flag, but everything that has been revered and treasured in America, including even football,
including the Academy Awards and monuments to greatness have been besmirched and perverted.
So I think people do know what you're talking about.
Tell us something about this book of yours.
And we know what the prescription is, but maybe there's things that I'm sure we'd be
very surprised to learn about how to preserve this culture and this monument to freedom
that was the American experiment.
Yeah, absolutely, Karen.
And you're so right about what the communists are trying to do.
They did this in China under Mao.
They did this under the Soviet Union where to create this new utopia, this new world,
you have to destroy the old one.
And we see that with all the world, this 1619 project America, as we don't have a rich
and wonderful history that we're colonialist and periodistic, racist, sexist, all of those
things and that many American experiment that you've so eloquently spoke of has been
tainted and somehow is not worthy of any kind of praise.
And what I do in the book is I talk about the landscape of America.
We talk about, you know, get on the road and drive around America, go to the National
Park, go to see some of the beautiful edifices in the buildings.
America has such a rich architectural history.
You know, go to museums or open a book and look at the Hudson River School painting,
you know, the Albert Bird Staff and Thomas Cole, these great American painters.
I mean, the world renowned, but we don't teach them in the schools.
You know, read Mark Twain and Willa Kather and some of the great American writers, Walt
Whitman, the great American poet.
This is, you know, America, Thomas Jefferson, when he wanted to build Washington, D.C.,
he wanted it to be different than England.
So he looked at Greece and Rome and said, we need a distinctive American architecture.
So go to Washington, D.C., in spite of all its problems and look at some of the classical
federal buildings and some of the most beautiful buildings in the world.
We have such rich culture and the purpose of that was to unite America to ask the aspirations
of America.
So I think there's a lot of things you can read, you can go see.
It's, you know, relying on the schools to start teaching these things as you know,
terrorism and probably uphill battle.
We're in a battle to try to save our history.
I'm trying to save our culture.
I think it can be done individually just by experiencing American culture, seeing the
country, reading, reading the writers, looking at these beautiful buildings.
I think we can have an idea of why this culture is so rich and preserve the beauty because
it really is remarkable.
We have nothing to apologize for.
I don't think I mean, I understand America's got its faults.
We all do.
We're human.
But this is such an incredible country and we have such an incredible history and culture
that we need to embrace that in cherish it because it's the culture that unites us.
So before we become so divided and organized, we need to kind of embrace this culture that
has been the question.
Well, I think that there are a lot of people who have grown up with the indoctrination of
schools that do not do wouldn't be able, would be hard pressed to be able to define
or even understand or say that there is an American culture.
We stopped teaching it ages ago.
So I think there's a lot of pessimists out there who think it's already lost.
I don't think it's already lost because somebody like Donald Trump has proven that he can
teach and exemplify our culture without having to be academic about it.
But you know, he's doing it by example more than anything else, but we probably need more
than that.
Give us in our last couple minutes an example of something in your book that people can
actually use.
If that's how it's written, forgive me for not knowing, but things that we can take and
use in our own circle of influence.
I think again, spreading the word about American culture and literature and poetry and the
right.
And I'm just going to real quick, Donald Trump did two things.
You're so right because I'm one individual do you know, you write a book which you know,
hopefully people will read ahead of this first administration.
Donald Trump created that they called it the make America buildings beautiful.
They said he was kind of, you know, but what he said is federal buildings need to be drawn
and he basically mirrored what Thomas Jefferson tried to say or did that federal buildings
need to be built in somewhat of a classical style.
Can you see much of DC?
The other thing he recently did is he attacked the Smithsonian institution for all this
wellness.
We have such an incredible history yet our museums are now only there are so deep in the deep
seeped in this wokeness that they teach about how awful America is.
Donald Trump is trying to redress that in his own way.
So he is you're right, he is very aware of this.
He could he can move mountains.
So what you know, I think we need to follow that example and push that you know, the things
about American culture read about American culture.
Look at these paintings, you know, study and just self teach yourself and your children
about the wonders of American history, not just the Constitution and the Declaration.
Obviously those are incredible documents, but also this incredible culture that we have.
So look, it's going to be an uphill climb and difficult, but we have to do it.
Yes, well, I admire your passion on the subject and you can get your book.
Our audience can get your book at Amazon and other places, right?
Where?
Yeah, it's a time to stand at either Amazon or front page, egg.com and Fahrenheit.
I really appreciate everything.
Great website.
Thank you for him.
Oh, it's so so our pleasure.
Michael Finch.
Thank you for joining us.
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We wrap up our show with a senior policy analyst at the Heritage Foundation, former
health reporter at The Epic Times.
Her name is Jennifer Gallardi, and we have her right now on The Alanathan Show.
Hi, Jennifer.
Good to have you along.
Hi.
Thanks so much for having me this afternoon.
Yes.
Yes.
So there is, I think you wrote it, an op-ed, right?
Let's see.
On the need for the NIH to look into oral contraceptives.
Am I right?
I was...
You wrote it.
Yes, I did write that, along with my colleague, Scott Hennard, here at the Heritage Foundation.
Forgive me for not getting that right.
Yep, yep, I had to scroll up and there it was.
It's called, the American Mind.
It's called RFK.
Should Grill the Pill.
Tell us more about that.
Well, if you look at some of the data around the birth control pill, the health of many
studies show, particularly in Europe, that there are side effects and long-term health
consequences from being on the pill.
And some of those include depression, increased risk of infertility once you go off the pill.
And the problem is not that the pill can't be used judiciously for some issues, either
for preventing pregnancy or potentially some women take it for other issues, such
as endometriosis.
But the problem is doctors are handing it out like candy.
You have acne, birth control pill.
You have a problem with your cycle, birth control pill.
And it's very easily accessible.
And it's just...
It's not properly ordered, meaning that we're kind of prioritizing kind of women's sexual
liberation over their health.
It's something we haven't been able to touch, because people will get so up in arms when
you say, hey, there's something to look at here.
There's some consequences from taking this.
And we shouldn't just be kind of willy-nilly, be willing to be willing to hand it out to
women without looking into these, without having more research.
So that's just our critical kind of eye.
And it's not saying we want to ban this, but it's all about informed consent.
That women should know what they're getting into when they take it instead of just saying,
like, hey, I want to go on the pill.
It's kind of a cure all for things.
I mean, women take it for acne.
Well, you're bringing up this subject here at a time that I think, in a bizarre kind
of way, is auspicious.
It's not a good kind of auspicious.
But what I mean by that is that people were not open to all of that kind of argument until
they started taking a look at the advertising for drugs on television.
That has become so patent-ly ridiculous that the networks cannot do not want to investigate
questionable drugs and vaccines and what have you, because they're getting loads and
loads and loads and loads of money from these drug companies.
Oddly enough, it was Democrats who sounded the alarm.
And then they just buckled under.
They've got drugs for things now they advertise for diseases they haven't even invented yet.
And it seems very suspicious.
Let's say you and how does it figure in with this?
Well, yes, like you said, it's kind of a different time.
COVID changed everything.
People said asking questions.
Yeah, people started.
So like you said, in some ways, everyone says, well, I don't really mean to say it was a
blessing, but I will straight up say, I do believe for some very good reasons COVID was
a blessing.
Obviously, we mourn the loss of people who passed because of COVID, but there's so much
good that has been exposed because of it is so much good that's come out of it.
And part of that is what's been exposed, right?
Like the conflict of interest that you're talking about with the media.
And then RFK, this alliance between RFK and Trump has really allowed people to finally
speak out that were one silence.
Jay Baudetari is now the head of the NIH like all these people that were silenced are now
in positions of power and to do something so that it is a much more friendly environment
to question, but you still like you pointed so acutely pointed out will have a lot of
pushback from these companies who have a huge vested interest.
Right.
It's not so much like you said, it's not so much that they're, you know, they've studies
have shown it's not like people are going.
Some people will see the advertisements on TV and say, ask your doctor.
So they'll go to their doctor and ask about it.
But it's like exactly what you're saying.
They had they buy all this media so that these media companies won't press them and investigate
issues they should be investigating.
So it is a very, you know, I'm actually I'm trying to find a quiet spot.
So I hope it's not too bad because right now you're doing great.
Oh, you are.
I'm at a public event.
Tell us.
The weaponization of science.
Oh, I will be scientist.
I'm about.
Yeah.
How a lot of the quote unquote science is bought and paid for by the far right by the very
people that have ventured it vested interest in some of these pharmaceuticals, vaccines.
So it really is kind of a corrupted system.
I'm not a huge conspiracy theorist.
But when you look at the evidence, it does point to a lot of conflict of interest.
A lot of corporate capture, our agencies have been captured.
Our legislators have been a representative to have been captured by money and and it's
a huge, huge industry.
Well, and it is to go back to the article.
We're not saying ban anything.
We want.
Yes.
We want good science.
It's also sinister in a way that they're willing to make everyday people the guinea pigs.
Yeah.
And and they have a lot of power.
Most people kind of get that now.
There was a time when diabetes, we we all lamented horribly.
This is something nobody talks about.
I'll ask you in our few minutes left.
About having to inject yourself with something and what a terrible lot that is now they're
finding ways not to have to inject yourself for diabetics, but it's okay to inject yourself
for everything else, including weight loss.
So injectables are now a big deal and everybody wants to do it.
It seems quite.
There's something sinister about it that is being pushed so very hard and I'm not a
conspiracy theorist either.
You get the last word.
It was a really short segment.
I apologize for that.
Jennifer Galardi.
Yeah.
Tell it.
Give us the last word and how people can find you.
I am at heritage.org.
You can find our restoring American Wellness Initiative there and we can talk more on the
sinister nature of it because there is a cultural thing happening that's beyond you
and me too and kind of has captures people's hearts and minds and pulling them in a dark
direction.
I agree.
Really bizarre.
Yeah.
Like safe injection sites.
Oh my God.
Anyway, Jennifer Galardi, have a great time at that conference.
Thank you so much.
Yeah.
We got to wrap up the show.
Thank you for joining us on the L and Nathan show.
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