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My name is Roman Carpichka, and as you're hosted is my honor and privilege to bring on an incredibly gifted medium tonight.
His name is Joseph Schiel. Joseph Schiel is a highly acclaimed evidential psychic medium, certified by QF.
He's also a spirit artist and an award-winning teacher who's known the presence of spirits since his infancy.
He's also a talented and expressive artist with the guidance of spirits. He's able to draw people that have crossed over.
And let me tell you folks, they're incredible. I was just on his site. They're awesome.
So, although he was born with natural abilities, it goes past the distinguished medium he is today,
was not without his obstacles or inner turmoil.
Now, for a priest from a young unique, he found himself conflicted about his unusual abilities.
And, you know, he decided to lead the Catholic seminary to embark on a journey to, you know, to search out his incredible gift and to hone it.
So, he shares his talents with clients, students, audiences worldwide, teaching, speaking, performing,
a demonstration, doing all kinds of evidential mediumship shows and all that.
And he's also a very dynamic and creative instructor and motivational speaker on top.
And he's taught everywhere, including at the Renown Arthur Family College, where, you know, he serves to this day as a guest tutor.
So, his website is www.josephSchiel.com.
And we are just, you know, so happy to have him here.
So, tonight's show, as always, is for informational purposes only.
So, you know, your questions are welcome, but Joe's not going to be doing any readings tonight.
They never do with me.
Anyhow, so with all that having been said, Joe, welcome to the show.
Thank you very much, Roman.
Appreciate it.
How are you doing?
I'm just going to do it.
I'm good.
Yeah, busy.
Yeah.
It's been, I think the last time we conversed on this show was like almost seven years ago, June of 2019.
Yeah, I was going to be COVID.
It's pretty cold.
That's right.
It's a lot of changes then, huh?
A lot of things have happened since then.
Yes, indeed.
But I really want to be having me.
Oh, of course, absolutely.
And, you know, you're a very, very different medium than all the other medium because you
have this incredible talent of drawing.
And I just went into your, you know, I just saw some of the, like there, it's uncanny how perfect some of the drawings are.
You know, I'm really impressed with it.
What motivates you to do that?
Like, how do you do it like during a reading, before reading, after reading?
It depends.
You know, it's, it's, I started out by doing multiple drawings because I didn't know what the heck was happening.
So I just started drawing as many faces as I saw.
And then I was in a much deeper kind of altered state at the time.
And so I drew as many as 27 family members in one sitting.
And that became, and they were kind of weird because I was wrong.
So fast, so we'd come out with the other, like, if they had a big nose, they'd have a huge nose.
You know, apparently, sure.
Oh, yeah.
Like the character.
It was like, you know, kind of, it was kind of strange.
And I was like, what am I doing?
You know, what's this all about?
But over time, you know, I started to do the same drawings.
And now I do drawings almost, almost all the time.
And just, I really appreciate looking into their eyes.
And if I look into their eyes, I actually can have a better conversation and get more information,
which is what my effort is.
So it's kind of cool.
Yeah, I'm glad you said some of them are exact because they're not all exact.
And it is however I get it.
Sometimes you're a person, you know, and so I'm just drawn a self portrait.
And if I do that wrong, you know, if somebody's mother comes out looking like a fat bald,
that a guy doesn't let doesn't go over real well.
I also noticed that you're, you're, you have this, Soul Journey artwork.
So what is your inspiration for that?
Well, the, the.
Our graph gallery is for that is more about a more psychic and intuitive in a spiritual way.
I'm trying to understand the other person.
What I do is I walk them through their, their life when they were very little in the house.
And so I'll walk them through the house so you know, I know them.
I kind of remote view all of that.
And then from there, we look at possibilities in life.
We used symbolism pictures, animals, all kinds of things color, line texture.
So it's it's a, it's an art form that I kind of came upon and began to.
It got very busy and today it's really complicated.
It can be very, very busy.
But it's price, what I'm trying to do is show people options.
I'm not telling them what will happen or not telling them what to do.
I'm giving them the suggestions of this path looks better than that one, basically.
If you make these decisions, this is where you'll end up at this. This is how it goes.
I've done hundreds of them, hundreds of those. I've done thousands of reading.
It's just those take time. They take a huge amount of time these days.
And energy, probably.
Well, energy and just concern because I really want to do the right job for people
and want to get it right. So, you know, I don't want to just leave them with something
they're running on a bad road map, if you will. So that's what those are about.
But the drawings are for national client meetings that you drew while you were the client.
The ones on the website are those actual people, each one is an individual.
That's why they're all kind of different. But if you notice, at the base of all of them, there's a
face. And that's kind of the template I start upon. I start upon with the face and then go around
it. So it goes from the bottom left hand side of the picture up in a spiraling to the center.
And that's life's paths. And so you can get off the path or you can fall off the path.
So many people have different things that happened in life. I mean, we all have our
challenges and our trials and our tribulations and our losses and our trails.
And so we all have to kind of walk up again and say, okay, I'm going to live this life.
I'm going to make choices for myself and my life. So that's what the soul journey is.
We're really, in my opinion, responsible for our own soul.
And in doing so, if we're actually honest about that, we're responsible for everybody else's
tubes around us. We're one and the same, if you will. And we depend upon each other.
That's why it's more about coming together than it is separating or finding the differences.
It's finding what is that light path that works well for everyone?
Right. So our lives are not predetermined that much. We can make choices, soul choices, I guess.
I definitely, of course, as you said earlier, I was brought up in the Catholic religion.
I've tried many, many other religions. I've even lived in a Buddhist monastery for a while.
But the fact of the matter is, is that no matter what that man-made religion is,
and I do mean that man-made. There is a consistent constant understanding that
we really need to journey in. We need to look inside of ourselves. That's what the divinity
really connects. And when we do that, we start to see the bigger picture. We see the joys of this
life, the importance of this life. But we also see the continuity of life. And when we start to
open ourselves up to see the real creation and our own creative abilities, no matter who you are,
whether you're the scientist or whether you're the artist, it shows that we all have a
significance in this lifetime. And that's what I'm really after in my teaching and everything I do.
Fantastic. So are you in your host right now? That's a beautiful background.
Thank you. That's totally fine.
That's the picture I use for my readings. So nobody sees my cluttered office, but I can
see my cluttered office. I have stuck behind me. I'm like, wow, man, the medium should be real.
It's pretty good these days. There we go. So there's my, there's my, the back of my office.
Okay. Yeah. That's more like it.
Yeah. Do you write a Harley by any chance? I don't write a Harley. I did write a Harley many, many,
many years ago, but I couldn't motorcycle riding after I was going kind of fast down the road on
my friend's motorcycle. And I hit the front brakes. For God, you went right, right over.
Oh, God. All about those back ones. And went, as they say, bought over T-Cattle and took out
wall by floor, mailbox, box posts with my shoulder, used my stomach as, as, you know,
I got a sandpaper and had to well. Oh boy. I never, I never wrote again.
Never wrote after that, huh? No, I decided to take a look like a breaker.
Getting back on the horse was not a great idea for blind men.
I actually, I'm a Harley rider myself, but. Well, that's great. And I, I usually grow out to go
tea in the summer to master Harley, you know, that kind of thing. So,
well, good stuff. Well, you know, different kind of question. Why not? But, you know, we do have
questions that, you know, that we've accumulated from our, you know, from our listeners that they've
sent in. Should I throw, should I pitch one in your way? Any way, anything you want, just
sure? All right. So, here's one. And my apologies to anybody. If, if I've read this before at a
previous show, there, there's just so many of them. But this is a good one because it's close to home
for me. Having lost my son and husband, I'm interested in knowing if our family life will
resume as you get my children who are still alive and myself pass onto the next life and
enjoying those family members who are already there.
So let me understand this. Will my life continue on to the other side with the same family? Is
that what we're kind of getting at? I think that's, I think that's what this person is trying to get
at. Yeah. I can tell you only from experience of what I've experienced from the spirit world.
Okay. Doing thousands of readings over 30 years. And I can say that unequivocally, I have, I was
originally a very skeptical person about all this. I didn't know what the heck was happening to
me. I thought they're going to put me in a straight jacket and throw me away. You know,
what, as I've done the readings and come to realize and come to believe, I have now gone beyond
coming to believe to coming to knowing within my own being that we do continue.
Science is going to prove that, I guess, but by the same token, whether science does or not,
I know it in my own being. Right. What I have found is that we all come together.
You know, I had a very, very difficult question when I was young that aligns with this. And that
was I lost my mother when I was 12. She got sick when I was nine. I only started for like one week
for the next few years. And then at 12, she passed cancer. And my father then got remarried.
And that bothered me. It's like, who is when we get to when we all get to heaven,
who are we going to be with? Yeah. So he's going to be with this. He's going to hang out with the
new babies. You know, it's like that's that young boy was thinking in those terms. And so
which woman was he going to choose and where were we going to be? And so I had those questions.
Those questions have been answered to me many times in different ways over readings that the
love that is there, the extraordinary oneness and understanding and a kind of a view, a view from
the heavens, if you will, upon our separate separations, upon our difficulties, upon our fears as human
beings is quite different. What I'm finding is that the love is there and everyone's together.
And there's an understanding of what why life went that way and what happened in life and
all the lessons we've learned and all the things that we've accumulated and all the struggles that
we made without that struggle, we wouldn't be the better person, the better soul. Even if we were
a rotten person in life, I believe we have an opportunity to look back and go, Oh my goodness,
you know, I really was weak in that decision. I was strong in that decision. But there's a
wanting to be with the familiar or the family. And what happens when we're reading as mediums,
we usually get family or close people, friends and that people things because the like energy is
very, very close and the concerns of the attitude, if you will, of gratitude for life and the attitude
of concern or wanting people to make new decisions. That's why I think the future of mediumship is
very, very important to the world. So I'm trying to get mediums and my students and things to have
integrity in their work enough to see that this will be someday mainstream understanding. People
will go to a medium because they trust them, not because it's some wacky thing to do on the side,
but trust them to give real information so as to make much more honest decisions about life itself
and where to go and what's more important in life. And to me, it's helped me grow,
it's healed a lot of my trauma and wounds in life. But I also think that it's here for us and it's
just dawning, it's just coming. Some of it, some of it, yes, it's been around for thousands of years,
I get it. It was a time in history where mediums and sages were very important to society, if you
will. And then they became the outcast and the comments about the Bible comments and other
comments about, oh, Dr. We're taking out a context and everything else and it closed people's minds
to it. And then the cons came wrong and the con people and con artists took advantage of and
and keep the rest of my name and explore the grief. But I kind of look at it this way. I was
just talking to a client yesterday was reading her and she was a lawyer and I said, I said,
I said, well, you know how it is. I'm just, you there's lots of bad jokes about lawyers too. But
the fact in the matter is you pick a good one and an honest one, you might actually get something
done. Yes, you know what I'm saying? And that's kind of why I even joined and tested for the
for a family foundation many years ago was I wanted to I wanted to continue upon a level of
legitimacy. And I know that the the the testing process is rigorous with the, you know, to be
certified with wherever the family foundation. I've seen some of the questionnaires Bob has
shared it with me and wow, yeah, you cannot you cannot get this by by chance. It's impossible.
So I've notched as I've notched as I'm a few times like, tell me what tell me how you do it.
Tell me how you do it. No, I still don't know. I don't know what they were testing. I don't know.
I know what they put me through, but I don't know exactly what what yeah, it's it's uh,
it's like double blind. So there's no way that you can you can figure it out or yes. Anyways,
do you ever encounter spirits and this is from another question. I'm kind of putting it in my
words to make it a little clearer. I hope you ever encounter spirits impersonating other spirits?
Spirits impersonating other spirits. Yeah.
No, we we clap around here. We impersonate other people.
It's true. It's true. We do. We we might, you know, put on the accent of some famous stuff.
Something, you know, we might try to do that. If somebody's has that as part of their personality,
they might show that in their personality. But I don't think they do it to mess with us.
I never had a spirit mess with me or screw me up. Yeah. Nothing but truth. Nothing but the truth.
Yeah. I mean, nothing but love. You don't have love and caring if you have a bunch of love.
Okay. So it's the you know, if you may you may get some heart truth and you may get some some very,
very understand they give you the understanding with it. So sometimes we're not we're not putting
our counsel or hat on. We're not we're not doctors. Some some some mediums are, you know, there's
been doctors that have been part of for our family foundation that are the mediums. Yeah,
absolutely. But but we're not putting that medical hat on. What we're doing is we're we're
giving what we get in a lot of ways and giving what we're perceiving. And we listen with everything
we are at the last resort here words. So it's all of our senses kicking in and picking up on
the nuances of a person's life and this and the evidence of the life is what's most important.
I mean, if we can we can get the address and the license plate number and the social security
number and things like, I mean, we're actually now we have some evidence that we could not have
known in any other way. And so we understand that there is a communication going on. How it works.
So intricately, I don't think anybody knows yet, but by the same token, I do know it works.
So it is a big portion of the time a medium spends with the sitter
focused on like evidence, you know, you're just trying to prove trying to prove trying to prove
or does it get into like, all right, now that you've proven beyond the shadow of a doubt,
here's the message. You know, you hear what I want to relay.
It's not the way it's not the way I work. I mean, I know other meetings might work that way and
that's fine. They do their own thing. I am not. I don't see my job as proving to you anything.
My job is not to prove to you. It's not to perform for you as the sitter, as the recipient, as the
I didn't mean it that way. I probably used wrong worrying. No, no, it's perfect wording. It's just
I'm just trying to explain the difference. The audience understands that that's not my effort.
You know, what I say to people before I even start the reading is I serve the spirit world
for the sake of you. I'm in the middle. Okay, so I'm having a conversation with them
for the sake of you. You get to pay the bill. Okay, you really laugh. Okay, but the fact of the
minute that is what I'm doing. I'm concentrating and leaving myself open and vulnerable and available
as an instrument of peace, as the instrument to be played, just like your guitars in the background.
You know, I'm the guitar. All they need is pick me up and play me and use what I already know about
myself in order to pass through the information to them. Now messages could happen throughout the
entire reading. Information could be more emotional at times. It could be more physical, like a take
on mannerisms of people, or I start to look like somebody. My voice has changed. I've spoken
in foreign languages. I've never known in my life. Well, it can happen, happen because they're
utilizing me as the instrument. And when that happens, it's not only amazing to them. I'm shocked
every time when I draw a picture of somebody that I saw like this and they gone, but yet I can kind
of pull it together. And then they're helping me. The same one, my hair wasn't that long. And I
heard that in my head. I was like, whoa, you know, and then it comes out and people say,
oh my God, that's my mom. That's my brother. That's my son. Whatever the case. It flips me out too.
Even today, after 30 years, thousands and thousands of readings. And I'm still, I'm still blown away
by it. Amazing. Do you typically do a drawing at every reading?
I do regular readings and half hour readings and things like that. But usually the drawing is an
hour reading where I bring in several people. When I bring in several family members or friends,
and then I'll say, who would you like me to draw? And they can say, well, I want you to draw my hand.
Okay, fine. Or I tell them that if I have not spoken about the person you really wanted to see,
just say this. There was somebody else. Don't tell me who. Don't say, I wanted you to draw my
dad or I just opened my grandfather would come through. Just there was somebody else. And when I do that,
my conversation is still with the spirit. So I go back to the spirit and I say, who are they talking
about? Bring them to me. And then I usually am able to get that person and draw that person
who never showed up in the first place. See, that's that's quite that's quite something.
I can see why I can't take a lot of credit for this, except for the fact that I found my life
in this, in this, almost like being washed through this, you know, motion of this river. And I found
myself here. And it's, it's still the more I do it, the more I realize that it's not about me. It's
about allowing myself to be of service to others. And that's really what it's about.
So have you, I mean, we haven't spoken in almost seven years. So a lot has changed. In the practice
of mediumship pre COVID post COVID, are things different? Things are different because COVID
brought this particular media to bear, which is zoom wasn't here before that, or at least people
didn't use it in the work. And I didn't know anything about it till COVID. And then I utilized
it in COVID to do a lot of free seminars and things like that to help people cope with being
locked up in their own house, you know. So I figured if I did some Sunday services, and I did some
prayer time, and I did some meditation things, and I did some healing things, and I did some
recovery things, then that people would have something to listen to or something to hold their
hand on something to work on on themselves, and spend that time valuable to their own being.
And a lot of people joined and came in and I'm very, very grateful for that. And I've gotten a lot
of nice letters back and things like that for that. But for me, you know, I was locked up too. So,
you know, what are we going to do? I think it shifted after that to now there's a lot of
online demonstrations of leadership. There's a lot of classes I teach on Zoom, which brings me
students from all over the world. And it's amazing. And I'm very happy and very, very,
very dedicated to those students and to that to this work. So it's helped me expand
an audience, if you will, but it's more about helping expand the philosophy and the understanding
of why we do this, and helps me to talk about forever family foundation and things that I think
are tremendously valuable for those in need, those who are suffering from grief and loss.
Yeah, I think it's an incredible service that you guys do. And, you know, again, we're in this
very materialistic world, science based on, you know, physical matter. And, you know, it's a tough
thing. This, we are, we are, because of the social media and all that, I think it's helping
mediums a lot. And that whole thing a lot. It's helping, but it has the same dangers as before,
with somebody's office or the, you know, the gypsy along the highway with the single,
like in times, you know, it's the same thing. There's a lot of phony balonies. There's a lot of
ways to phony up a demonstration online. So you have to be very, very careful. You have to watch
what they're doing, you know, seeing mediums use, use Facebook on one screen while they're trying
to read the person on the other. So they've got, they've got primary evidence and information.
And they're cheating. Okay. Yeah. So when you go on to a demonstration, you should never put
your last name on the screen. And you can do that on a zoom thing like that. You can eliminate
your name or change your name. That's fine. I would have, I would be much happier if that were the
case, because sometimes you get a last name and all of a sudden we know you're Italian and we're
going to start talking about a mother in the kitchen making the stuff. Yeah, exactly. So
less information you have the better for sure. Oh, yeah. So, so instead of finding ways to cheat
or to go around it, it can be a valuable and very, very evidential tool if everybody's on the up
and up. And that's all it goes to. Yeah. I set up a medium reading with an amazing medium
that moves to this area. I don't think he reads anymore. Her name is Georgia O'Connor or great.
Yeah. She was Loretta Lynn's medium and she moved to Amsterdam, which is near Albany. And I gave her
a fake name. I called her from a conference from my GE where 4,000 people work and I gave her a
fake name. And I showed up with a fake name. And then at the reading, she told my son's name at a
thin air. My my the sea sun's name out of thin air. Describe my two grandmothers to a tea.
It was it was incredible. I mean, that to me was a life changing moment, a big life changing moment.
And ever since then, well, and it can't be for people and that's awesome. That's awesome. I
have heard her name before. Sorry, I'm theater. She's not working anymore. Well, I don't know if she's
worked for a while. She wasn't. I haven't we did another medium reading with her on the foamy. My
wife. And he actually, you know, he said a couple of Ukraine words, because I'm Ukrainian.
Wow. Like, I was like, are you going to the Malonka? Malonka is a Ukrainian social that they
have after New Year's. Right. We could get that from, you know? So it's pretty pretty good stuff.
I mean, awesome. It's awesome. Yeah, thank you. And let me let me ask another.
Is there any like justice for like, let's say there's, this is another person, what kind of
justice kind of perpetrator of violent deaths expect upon crossing over? Well, I can say this
that, you know, when people pass away, they do come through and they come through for all kinds
of things. There has been justice created in some of my readings that have come through here in the
living for the living who needed to face justice. So that has happened. And it's been incredible
that the spirit, the spirit who was murdered, tells me who who murdered them. And you had stuff
like that. Yeah. So that has come to fruition. And there are people in jail because of it,
which is right. It probably couldn't use the mediumship itself as evidence, but they can't
use the mediumship itself. But in the cases I'm talking about, it was actually the person
getting the reading that was the murder. Whoa. So you sat in a room with a murder. I close off
the rest of my readings for the rest of the day and convince them to turn themselves. Wow.
Wow. That that is that is crazy. That is crazy. Well, so it did a good search. But as far as
justice on the other side to answer your question, I look at things this way. I'm not a big believer
in H.E. Double hockey sticks. Okay, I was as a drifting and all that. But I'm not a big believer
in that. I think if you want to look at H.E. Double hockey sticks, all you have to do is watch the
six o'clock news. Yeah. And you're going to see how we can create that with the distractions of life
and this battle with each other, instead of it helping in aiding one another.
You know, I'm better than you. I'm different than what all that stuff, all that separation
creates the fire of the fires of hell, if you will. On the other side, the Reformation, I believe,
is never closed to the here or the hereafter. But imagine, imagine if I slighted you, Roman. And
then I said, I shouldn't have said that or I shouldn't have done that or I shouldn't have taken his
money or I shouldn't have done this. And then I have an opportunity, while I'm alive, to call you
up and say, can you have a cup of coffee with me? I need to pay you back. I screwed up. I'm sorry.
You know, and at the end of the time, you have a choice of what you forgive me, or you say,
you're still a jerk, you know, whatever. And we can either hug or not, but it's done. You know,
it's done. And it's so it's it's right. Or, you know, maybe, maybe, you know, I'm like one of those
clients, I'm talking about where I understand the wrongs I did, and I turn myself in,
because that's the justice that needs to be had. I can do that in the living. But in the spirit
world, I can't do that. I have no arms to hug you with. I have no voice without a medium to say
anything to say, I'm sorry, I have no legs to get me over your house. You know, I don't have that
physical action or the abilities to do that. Imagine, imagine if if the old saying, you know,
when you almost had a car accident, you almost had a but you know, you almost hit the back of a
fender of another car, you say, Oh my God, my life flashed before my eyes. Well, imagine if
that's actually what happens when you pass over, and you actually your life flashes before your
eyes, and you see exactly what you did wrong. Life review, you can't deny it. You're it's in your
being, it's in your soul. Yeah, you can't cover it up. You can't cover it up. So now that you've
got the truth, right smack dab in your face, you got to do something about it. And guess what? You
can't. So now you got to live with that continuous life living, live with this pain, and find a way
to make that Reformation find a way to make things good. So there are times when people have come
through who were murderers or bad, I mean, I read in New Jersey for quite a while,
but I don't want to journey with them. So I've read for for mobsters wives. No way. So when the
guy comes through, he comes through like the heavy, you know, and he's not done such nice things all
the time. You know, I'd be very scared drawing those wives. So what has to be my ways?
What happens is, is that we have that that person has to come through and apologize, but also show
that there's a change taking place that they want to do good, that they want to get better advice,
that they know that their their behaviors were, you know, they may have fed their family, but they
hurt a lot of other people in the process. So they start to see that and they start to express that.
And what we see is a beauty even in the pain. We see that there's this learning taking place with
all of us that we're in this this thrown into this place called earth together. Yep. But the
personal responsibility we have is not just to ourselves, hooray for me and screw you. The personal
responsibility is how can I love one another? How can I take care of you too? How can I be the best
person for you and be honest to be straightforward, not, you know, melee mouth or fork tongue or,
you know, and so it's really interesting when someone like that comes through that's made
mistakes. A lot of a lot of people made mistakes. They make mistakes by overdosing, they make mistakes
by drinking to themselves into the grave. They make and all those people have done wrong to
themselves and not cherished this life. So what it taught me about mediumship was that mediumship
isn't necessarily about those who've gone before us. You know, the loved ones that we really,
really miss and really care for. Mediumship is more about how are we going to live life now
now that we know that this is this ending, this, this, this, this, this, this,
trasic lining. Yeah. Right. How do we, how are we going to make the best of this life or are we
just going to screw around and lie them through our lives in that type of, and we have choice.
Yeah, absolutely. We have, we have free will, we have dominion over everything else,
in this world pretty much. And, yeah, I think the people that pass sometimes with accidents
and things like that, it's, it's, we, we can, you know, we just finished the grief retreat for
Fair and Family Foundation for a group of parents that I'm going to call courageous.
These, these parents are just incredible. I have not lost a child. There is no way
that I can feel what they're feeling. Right. I can, I sat with hundreds and hundreds of parents
that have lost children. I understand the grief. I can see the grief, but it's like me sitting on
the beach and watching a swimmer. I know what swimming is. I can describe swimming. I can see
it. I can understand it, but I got, I didn't get in the water. Right. I know nothing about the
serious pain that goes on and the frustration and the fear of that. So I have to have some
compassion in that and say, okay, and some empathy and say, okay, what is this person going through?
And, and that's why I work so hard to get the evidence I do because I want them to know that
their loved one is still there. They're only a thought away. They're right there. You know, and
that sense to them, then they can, they can decide whether it's proof or not. I'm not trying to prove
I just got to give enough for them. There's no one piece of evidence that's going to bring
through anybody. Okay. I could give you the name and say, oh, I got this George here. Well, great.
Fantastic. What does that mean? I know, George's, you know, this is, you know, so it's an overwhelming
body of evidence and up understanding of demeanor of energies. The person should, the person across
from me, whether I'm a zoom room person, should almost see their loved ones right with me,
in me, in my face, because that's how closely the bond is.
Well, that's, that's incredible. I just, you know, people have to, people have to experience
it for themselves to really, to really appreciate it. Just like you said, if you don't experience,
you have an experience, the loss of the child I have. So you'll never know what I'm feeling.
I've been very surprised to have that. I do have kids, so I, and I have to bring,
so I hope I never know by the same time. So do I. I can't, I can say this very honestly. I can't,
imagine, survive it. It's not easy. It's not easy. I'm sure it isn't. One of the,
one of the things that helps me is helping others. That's why I do this show voluntarily.
I think that's brilliant. And I think that what you're doing is, is just, it's brilliant. And it's
the way to honor your son. It's the way to honor him. You know, thanks. Thank you.
Well, he has an awesome way to zone and he knows it. And that's the big part about it.
I believe you because I believe that you.
Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Absolutely. So, you know, Hollywood likes to portray that there's
violence beyond the veil with ghosts that poltergeists and this and that. And what do you think about
that? There, I don't think there is, but is there like any disagreements beyond the veil or, you know,
when two people don't agree or two spirits don't agree on something, what goes on beyond the veil?
I think any media that tells you they know what heaven looks like is out of their minds.
First off, okay? Right. Okay.
As much as I know, as much as I've seen them, as much as I've spoken with them,
I don't know exactly what goes on and I'm going to admit that because I really don't know exactly
how this all works. I don't know your picture. However, I've got an understanding that there is
a love and then there is human brailties, the brokenness of us in all different kinds of ways
that this this incubator here that called Earth, this life of ours called humanness has a lot,
a lot of reformation to make and a lot of evolution to take place. We're still
meandathal in a lot of ways and we really need to grow together. The world is moving faster and
faster. We have AI coming down so fast, we don't even know what it is. That is scary. So, but I don't
think AI will ever be human. So will it take over human? I think that mediumship takes a very,
very strong place in getting the advice from those who've been here, done this before and
earned the t-shirt. They know how to work. So if the more we listen to those who have gone before us,
the more we're going to know how to handle this whole new life and new situation and new, you know,
new challenges. And so that's why I'm trying to ready my students because I'm getting too old.
I'm not going to be around for that long. I can't help you over there kicking.
So maybe you can instead of AI, you get a bit of SI. I think from all mediums and mediumship,
people that just take mediumship just out of curiosity, I think they get a good insight on,
you know, how to live their lives better and how to live a more spiritual life, if you will. Now,
the scientists for the family founders goes, why does it always have to be so spiritual, Joe?
And I've had that question has to me. And I said, and that's all I said to the scientists. I said,
who do you think we're talking to?
Exactly. Right. So that's all. You know.
Wow. So, so you don't, I like your honesty that you don't know exactly,
you know, because some mediums have written books about, you know, life on the other side,
but like Anthony Borgia, you know, through automatic writing and all of that. And I thought it was
very, very fascinating. And fascinating. It's interesting. It's, it's, it's entertaining.
It's, it spawns questions. It spawns ideas. It gives you imagery. It gives you some, maybe even
some hope or some appreciation. I get it. But, you know, when I first came into mediumship many,
many years ago out of the seminary, I, I was told that the guys, teachers and angels and, you know,
the Western, the Western hemisphere is the, believes an angel is more than the entire rest of the world.
You know, I'm not saying that they're not. I just, I just think that we, the minds tends to want to
prove it all the time. Just like you said, you prove it to people. And so we, what we do is we
make constructs so that we have a visual to what we're talking about. And so we, we construct these
ideas of these imagines. And it's the imagination, the imaginary mind that does these things. Now,
there have been trans mediums and things like that who have come back with pretty solid ovens
that maybe it is that way. But I myself have not witnessed exactly what goes on over there.
Yeah. You can always speak for yourself. I'm still the little boy whose grandmother told me
that thunder and lightning, lightning was God bowling. Okay. That's
I was, we had a thunderstorm here the other day. And I was actually picturing the bowling ball,
filling my kids that. And it's funny to see that. Yeah. So, when you're practicing your own
mediumship, is your consciousness altered? Or you like it's an altered state? It's an altered
state. Okay. Now that does not mean I think it's a minor trance state. It's not a deep trance state,
deep and deep trance. You don't remember what you saw or saw. It's almost like your dream state
where you wake up and you can't remember the dream. Great. Uh huh. There in this altered state,
I'm very aware that you're there. I'm very aware of what's going on. But I'm focusing
not on my distractions of life. And that's the biggest hindrance to a reading going well with
people is that either the client or the medium is distracted. It takes all three. It takes the
spirit, the client, and the client has as much responsibility to the reading as the medium does.
And but if a medium doesn't let them know that, then there's a possibility they'll distract you
in the middle of the reading goes, Oh, is that my uncle? And the minute they ask you a question,
your mind goes from the right brain or that all that imaginary mind, which is the medium's mind,
and the left brain, which is the practical mind.
I have to figure it out and you've lost the link. Wow. That's that's interesting. Yeah. I, uh,
well, I'm out of words. When okay, let me just ask another question.
I'm wrong. All right. Let's say I'm writing my Harley Davidson. Yeah. And I smash into a
Mac truck head on. Yeah. At the time of death. Do I feel physical pain? I mean, I'm obliterated.
I'm like, boom, you know, I'm doing a hundred miles an hour. But whatever split seconds you
hit that thing, yeah, probably. Then maybe you're maybe you're living a little while you're in shock,
and you don't feel as much as you do. Different people, different strokes and different things
happen and so many millions of different types of accidents or deaths have happened. And usually
somebody like me who takes the spirit on empathic or physically, I can feel that physical pain.
And I always have since I was a little boy. And even even as a teenager in in in college and just
after college when I was working, I was in the music business for a while. And and as I'm working,
I would have these like heart attacks, you know, or but what my leg would go out or and I was like,
what the heck? And I'd run to the emergency room and I'd say, I'm having an heart attack. And they'd
give me nitro, put me on the table for three hours, give me an EKG. And then they come in all
ticked off and say, Mr. Schiel, there's no evidence of a heart attack here. We don't
mechanics. We're going to release you now. So here we go. And I said, well, what was that all
about? And they said, we don't know, you know, and then, you know, like the third time that happens
in the same emergency room, and they kind of think you're a hypercon. Right, right. Yeah.
So then I became a medium. And after it became a medium, I started to learn what's happening.
I went, Oh my God. So a medium, an old medium from many, many years ago said to me, she was rough,
she was rough around the edges. And she said to me, she goes, town to get off. Just like that.
Get away from me. And I said, okay, I'll try it. So next time I had that happen, I said,
get off me like that. It went away like that.
Interesting. So I don't know if it's the power of the mind, or if it was the spirit, it was just
lighting to me because I was open to it and I'm off in the drift, I'm off of what I call my drift.
And my, when I'm in a reading, it's kind of like daydreaming in high school, you know,
with the two of that, boring is all get out and you're staring out the window with the shiny
bumper and old Chevy and you're gone. You know, that's, that's where I went. So I call it my drift.
Wow. It's like having claws in your coffee.
Good song.
So the free will like spirit on the other side, they have
from your communications with them. Have they told you that they're on any kind of a mission or
like, you know, what do we do when we cross over? Like, how do we keep busy? What do we do?
What I found is, is that very much that some, some more than others choose to be around here
and around people to help people who are in stress, not or in trouble or sick or whatever. And that
happened to me today in the reading where the spirit came through talking about a man's sister.
It gave me the name of the sister and was talking about they're praying for her because she's in a
difficult situation. So they're, they're always around people and it doesn't necessarily mean
family members. It could be there around certain people that need their help that they're very
much alike or they understand their issues, they understand what the decisions they're making.
And they see the free will of us and the decision to make. Do they have free will?
I believe they still do, but what they're working from is a much different level of intelligence
than us. So they've got more of the answers than we do. Right. I noticed.
Very interesting. So, um, when you, when you do a reading, what steps do you take to prepare
yourself for a reading? Like, and is it what is the timing of that?
It's gone from when I first started to being terrified and hitting my prayer knuckles
and praying for an hour and sitting in meditation with my legs crossed and today, if I tried that
today, I'd break a hip. So, you know, so I, so I went from that stage, you know, and like this,
you know, shaky as all get out into the rings to now, you know, it's like, oh, oh, oh, God,
I have a reading in five minutes, I go grab my coffee, sit down, turn on the computer in this
ring. So, okay, I compare. I'm, I'm a medium all the time. I'm not involved with the spirit world
in communication all the time, but my life is as a medium. So I may have different. I'm sorry.
No, bro. Uh oh. I don't know if I can shut this off. Yeah, we lost your, we lost your video,
but that's okay. I don't, I hit the thing. I'll put it back on.
Do it. Yeah. It's all good. There it is. That, that's sorry. That's, that phone is all over the
house. So they put the house phone. Sorry about that. No, it's, it's not, it's, you were, you were kind of,
you were kind of touching on the topic of that question. But you know what, let's just move on.
It's good to have very much time left. Okay, go ahead. What, what is, let's see,
uh, you just said, okay, yeah, my, your mind is blown constantly. Like to this day, because of,
you know, the information that, that comes through. Um, can you give me an example of,
not from the drawing, but something else like, sure, that blew your mind about mediumship?
Because our listeners like to hear stuff like that. Okay. There was a reading I did many years ago,
and, um, it really, really shook me because I was, I was almost going to quit. I, I was having,
I was frustrated. I was, I didn't know where my life was going with all this, you know, um,
and I was thinking, well, maybe I shouldn't do this. Maybe, you know, get a real job type of thing,
you know, like, and, and I was kind of, um, down in the dumps, I guess, if you will, but I had reading.
So I did the reading and this woman came in and her daughter came through and I saw
linoleum that I understood and knew like a linoleum floor that I'd seen in my life.
And it was my linoleum floor when I was a child, when I was about seven. Well,
and, um, my little house in the city with Massachusetts and, uh, I then was able to see
the countertops and then I was able to see the bottles of medicine on the count on the kitchen
counter. And I was able to be able to ask, actually read what they were in my mind. So I was kind of
remote viewing and seeing this same time. But I knew that this woman was young and I knew that
she had passed and I knew that she had been upset. I could feel the anxiety of all this. She wasn't
trying to kill herself. She was just in such a bad way that she didn't really realize what she
was doing. So she was drinking. I smelled the alcohol, everything else. And it was coming to this.
And then all of a sudden, my grandfather, who died in front of me at that age at seven, seven,
okay, was standing holographically next to my desk and next to this woman. And he's looking at me
and she's going, he's like me. She's like me. And I went, what? And I'm looking at him like,
wow, why are you even here? She's like me. And I saw him do that like four or five times. And I went,
oh my God. He died on that linoleum floor when we came home from the church on Christmas morning.
Wow. So I said, oh my God. And I looked at the woman and I said, we have something in common.
And she goes, what? And I said, your daughter died on Christmas morning. And she went,
she started balling and I started balling. Oh, wow. And I went,
this is just unbelievable. That's horrible to me. It's amazing. I've had all kinds of business
that happened over the years, just incredible things. Well,
blow my mind. That's amazing. You know, our hours up, it's it's way so fast. You are
so freaking fascinating. It blows my mind. I mean, it's got to be.
Seven years is too long, my friend. It's too long. You got to come back on the shore before that
because talking to you. You have to get them play guitar. How's that? Next time, okay. Next time
we'll be on the show. You'll have a guitar show. I'll have a guitar show. I'll be some dueling
guitars. There you go. All right. Well, Joe, thank you so much. Thank you so much. So you're in sight.
Thankful for you and what you do. And thanks for all the all that you do. And I know you're
doing a great service to your son. And that's just fantastic. So thank you so much. I really
do appreciate anything for him. Yeah. I know. Okay. Well, thank you everybody. And oh, before we go,
really quick, how far out are you booked? This booking is, I'm sure that you can get in. If you
just tell them you heard about me on this show. Okay. We'll make, we'll make some accommodation
somehow. Okay. It might be a while, but that's okay. I'm booked out, you know, a few years here.
Yeah. But that's okay. And I've got lots of, if you want to just kind of know more,
you go to my website and just go to Joseph Schiel. And there's all kinds of things come out next week.
We'll be announcing new programs and a couple of free programs too about mediumship. So
get on there and come and see us. We'd love to have you. Thank you very much. Thank you so much.
All right, everybody. We'll see you in a month. And thank you for listening. And we will,
you know, science is going to prove that this whole thing is true one day.
All right. Good night, everybody. Peace.