[00:00] Speaker 1: Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. There's a new god. No need to conquer. We open the door. Every step is a signal reborn. In the body of truth, in the moment we're sworn. In the body of truth, in the moment we're sworn. Oh. In the body of truth, in the moment we're sworn. Oh. In the body of truth, in the moment we're sworn. Oh. Oh. No division. No division.

[00:50] Speaker 2: Well, welcome everyone. You're listening to Panthers Unite, formerly A Night at the Round Table. This is a new show. It will feature co-hosts, uh, Padmé and Rama Arjuna, White Knight of the Ashtark Command, who will still be giving his news updates every week, no problem. My name's Caroline Oceana Ryan, I'm an author and channeler. And we'll be joined with, uh, other co-hosts at times, Penny Christofferson, uh, people you're used to hearing at this time on BBS. So, we're really glad you're here this evening and you're gonna be hearing in the, more in the second hour, or a little further on, uh, an interview that I did recently with wonderful singer, songwriter, and author, Jennifer Ruth Russell, who is an amazing spiritual teacher and channeler.

[01:45] Speaker 2: She's written a book, Create Abundance with Mother Mary, and it really, the whole book walks you through this absolutely beautiful kind of mystical or slightly magical method of creating abundance not with hard work, not with all the hustle and sweat that we are taught by the 3D world is necessary for abundance. It's much more joyful, easeful, and flowing than that. So please stay tuned for that beautiful interview with the, the amazing Jennifer Ruth Russell. And so now I'll hand that talking stick to our friend, Padmé, so she can say hello. And we'll see if Rama has joined us as well. So Padmé, here's that talking stick. If you've got any update, any comments about the weather or the, (laughs) which is extreme in many places, or the energies, we'd love to hear it. Don't know if you've unmuted.

[02:42] Speaker 3: Okay. Here we go. I think, can you hear me now?

[02:45] Speaker 2: Yes, I can. Yes.

[02:46] Speaker 3: Greeting. Thank you for a beautiful opening, uh, and thank you Don. What a, he, uh, made a beautiful piece of music this afternoon for, for me, for us, so, uh, and f-, uh, and all of us really. So I, uh, let's see, a lot of things have happened, and, um, I guess most, mostly just bear with us while we try to walk forward as with taking all the beautiful things that have already been, uh, been here before, and many have paved the way, including, um, Marita Roberts and, um, Tara and Rama, um, taking over the show, and I suppose it's my turn at this time. Um, we are sending light and love to Tara, and she's getting some healing. And, uh, Captain Rama is flying solo tonight and forward with us, and you can hear him Friday night and Saturday also.

[03:40] Speaker 3: Um, and I, I guess I just, I never planned to take over the show, uh, but I'm here to hold space for it to move forward w-, uh, um, holding space for all of our healing and all of, all, sharing, um, and diffusing a lot of the stuff that's going on in the outside world, um, in, in small bits and ways, just, uh, between Iran and then our divine inner soul and, and how we're honoring that, and, um, with healing and love, and just a round table here again, and having fun, and, um, most of all, and just let the garden grow. And, uh, panthers to me, I, um, was very little when the original platform of the Black Panthers started, and their message originally was about sovereignty, and it is the same message we are all doing across the globe now. So, um, it is being a conscientious objector to the things that don't, aren't good for people and humanity in general, and, um, also panthers are powerful healers.

[04:48] Speaker 3: And also, uh, I now have a black cat that behaves much like a mini panther, and, uh, other people are experiencing other panthers coming into their lives. Um, uh, people, I was at the vet recently, and this woman said this black cat showed up in her life. She named him Midnight, and is taking good care of him, and, um, so moving forward, uh, it's a, more than a double entendre, uh, name and theme and, uh, way to be. So, um, I think Penny will be joining us too, uh, and then, uh, Rama should be. We'll take Rama first if he's there. I don't know yet. Um, uh, and then, uh, uh, Rainbird of, is going to come on also.

[05:30] Speaker 3: Um, I hadn't had a chance to connect with her until showtime, so here we go with that, and, uh, uh-

[05:36] Speaker 4: Greetings.

[05:37] Speaker 3: Greetings, Rama. Thank you.

[05:39] Speaker 2: Greetings, Rama.

[05:39] Speaker 4: Yes. Greetings everyone.

[05:43] Speaker 2: (laughs) Greetings, Rama. Glad you're here.

[05:47] Speaker 4: Yes, commander.

[05:49] Speaker 2: Do you want to share anything about how you're feeling about the energies now?

[05:55] Speaker 4: Um, I could say that what's unfolding here with this new moon...... spring equinox coming in, autumn equinox down under. And it is an amazing time to be alive, to be in a physical body, to feel this energy coming in. It- it's, you know, what we asked for to experience in these temples of living radiance 'cause this, this radiant energy, this temple of living love, living light, is how we do it. Merged with the energies coming in from all the various realms right now. And we send the violet flame, the emerald green ray, the sapphire blue ray into around and all the surrounding areas going on. This is so unprecedented, I could say, yet it wasn't, you know, out of the blue, so to speak. Because, um, I don't mean to go into the hard news, but this is not anything about nuclear weapons or anything else except the Epstein files and what is going on in this country where our Congress needs to grow a spine and hold the people accountable for what's going on.

[07:56] Speaker 4: I mean, high treason at the highest levels and blazing violet fire. It's, you know, the... I mean, it's like going from kind of spring, you know, winter into spring into summer. It was like 81 up here in Espanola today. And just, oh my God, uh, I'm not quite ready for it yet.

[08:26] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[08:26] Speaker 4: It- it's coming in like a lion. And you know, the panthers are all here.

[08:35] Speaker 3: (laughs) Yeah, um, uh, y- you know, Rama has s- a lot of Pyschat friends. They're ETs. They're kind of, as we would say, cat people. And not just people who love cats. They're shape-shifters. (laughs) They are panthers and cougars and other amazing beings

[08:51] Speaker 4: Yes.

[08:51] Speaker 3: Yeah, very cool. And, um, it's, I know, uh, Padmé really relates. Do you consider yourself, um, a Pyschat starseed, Padmé? Uh, I had never even... I- I do. I do. I'm back from, from Arcturus, Lyran, uh, I- that's my home planet. But yes, um, I didn't really look at it in those terms as I grew up. I just knew, um, that I was sort of different and deeply heartfelt. And I was... Could not... I remember thinking at like seven, eight years old, I'm like, "Why I'm ba- why am I back on this Earth and this planet and there's still this horrendous wars going on?" I would stand there and say to my grandmother, you know, thing that would come out of my mouth like, "There's no peace until there's peace in the Middle East," and Oh, wow ... just random things that... And she was, you know, a, a fan of the Manly Palm, Manley P. Hall, Manley Palmer Hall and Yeah ... an astrolo- a, a master astrologer, but very dapper and classy and, you know. And so, I mean, she got things on a much higher level.

[10:00] Speaker 3: So, I just could not understand. It was like, "Oh, this again. This again, really?" And we're still at that mark right now, uh, between, you know, the amazing brave souls of Minneapolis and the silent food network they did to keep things rolling for people. And, um

[10:15] Speaker 4: Mm.

[10:16] Speaker 3: ... my ending song is, you know, Kurt, uh, Buffalo Springfield, you know, um, There's Something Happening Here.

[10:21] Speaker 4: Right.

[10:21] Speaker 3: I mean, or-

[10:22] Speaker 4: Oh, brilliant.

[10:23] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[10:24] Speaker 4: (laughs)

[10:24] Speaker 3: So, uh, it just, we're s- we're... There's a huge departure from 1968, '70, '65. I'm sure each, each decade has, ge- uh, generationally has felt it. But it's, we are really in the, in the hot seat of, of it continuing so far off the tarmac of what is intended for us here. So yes, and I'm, I've had, you know... I have a... I'm not a, a medium, but I've certainly had a lot of information come in along the way. But little by little, I s- when I got involved with, with Raman Tara and on Twitter even- originally, I start understanding the word starseed. And, um, you know, Debbie Solaris talks about it and others. Oh, yeah And little by little, it confirmed and grew the things that were already... It just confirmed the things that are already here. And I think more and more are waking up and feeling that feeling, um, from, you know... And my ultimate goal is to bridge the three to 5D 'cause we are in 5D now.

[11:24] Speaker 3: So, uh, sorry, long response, but it No, that's fine Yeah And what I love is that, I think Rama pointed out a few weeks ago, that cats are interdi- dimensional beings. So they see a lot. They see energy. They see beings in the room that we don't know about. And people might remember, I have had, um... I've interviewed, um, my friend, um, uh, Dave Barnett, who is wonderful at clearing houses and has memory of being up on a ship when he was a little boy, et cetera. But he said that cats can deal with ETs. If they're not supposed to be there, if those ETs aren't supposed to be in your house, they will clear them out, which is just astounding. I, I just love that. Because then they're protective of us in a way that we don't even think about. And they're very wise beings. They were really venerated in Egypt, weren't they?

[12:24] Speaker 3: I mean

[12:25] Speaker 4: Yes.

[12:26] Speaker 3: Ah.

[12:26] Speaker 2: Amazing. Yeah, yeah.

[12:28] Speaker 3: Tru- truly that. And, um, maybe next week or soon, we could play the piece that was sent to me by Randy about how Jesus really knew that. And, um, you know-

[12:39] Speaker 2: Oh, wow.

[12:39] Speaker 3: ... they were, they were basically ostrasi- you know, the guard-... They're the stopgap between, you know, Archonic energy, and the human soul. And the cat has been that guardian for us to hold space for o- our divine being to the great central sun, I would call it. But-

[12:55] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[12:55] Speaker 3: ... but what they did, you know... Poor cats have been persecuted beyond belief, um, as carrying disease and this and that, and venerated out of, you know... T- taken out of all kinds of societies, and people willingly, um, handed over their cats, you know. Not... Just a, kind of, that fog of, "Oh, they... Somebody must be right, but we're not even asking who." And, you know, cats have gone through a tremendous amount of persecution over who they are. And people would even, you know, have a fit that cats would s- to kind of go... They, they started a, uh, the exact opposite phrase of what it really was, but saying that cats would get to a newborn baby, and they'd be like, "Oh, it's sucking the breath out of them," and that is, uh, not true.

[13:38] Speaker 2: Wow!

[13:39] Speaker 4: No.

[13:40] Speaker 3: They were sentiently checking that the baby is breathing, breathing car- and rhythmically, and wanted... Uh, their job wa- and, and mission was to alert the, you know, the, the baby mama, uh, or par- parent, you know, caregiver that something was wrong. So, they know rhythm, they understand guardians' portals, and their protecting energy. And it's also why their GPS changes, you know, throughout the day, of where they sit and go. It's, it's spe- it's spec- s- specific to them and w- their, their duties. So, yeah.

[14:13] Speaker 2: It is.

[14:13] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

[14:13] Speaker 2: And they also pick up on geomagnetic stress, apparently. Um, if you notice a place where a cat will never lie, and then there's other places they always lie down or sit there. Uh, they love that, you know, in a particular part of the house, because they're picking up on the ener- the Earth energies of that particular spot. It's, it's really cool. (laughs) It's kind of amazing. Yeah, um.

[14:37] Speaker 3: It really is. It r-... They really do do that. They're the highly sentient of, you know... Yeah, they won't... Certain, certain spots, they pick exactly right down to almost the nano-molecules of where they're gonna sit, you know? (laughs)

[14:51] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. Absolutely.

[14:53] Speaker 3: Fasc- fascinating, loving beings, and, you know, uh, incredibly strong. And, um, have good boundaries in a lot of ways too. And, uh, they have things to teach you by the hour. And, um, I was gonna say recently, uh, uh, my public service announcement is I have two new cats that are 10 months old, and one being a Russian blue. But, um, for anyone who happens to have s- those fo- small foil balls that cats play with, mine shredded 'em and I would just pick up the pieces. But, uh, he has been very ill for a week. Uh, high fever, uh, can't hardly move. But one...

[15:32] Speaker 3: He ate a piece of foil off the ball, so-

[15:35] Speaker 2: Oh.

[15:35] Speaker 3: ... to anyone... Yeah. Um, and to anyone who, you know... Uh, d- do your best to also help them, uh, stay safe. Yeah, so...

[15:47] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[15:47] Speaker 3: And I feel grateful I didn't have to just put him in a, uh, you know, three days of poking and prodding and wondering. I just prayed, and had healer friends w- work with him. And, um, Caroline knows who they are, and eventually we will-

[16:01] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[16:01] Speaker 3: ... have our lovely healer friends on the a- on the air. So, uh, I am lucky and grateful that he has gotten, I hope, at least all of it out, but... So, um, he can get back to doing his work and play time with us. So, uh, yeah.

[16:17] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[16:18] Speaker 3: And Rama, you have great ca-

[16:19] Speaker 2: I sure hope they're okay.

[16:20] Speaker 3: Thank you.

[16:21] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[16:21] Speaker 4: Say what?

[16:23] Speaker 3: Rama has good cats too. The- they all-

[16:25] Speaker 4: Yeah.

[16:25] Speaker 3: They're all unique. (laughs)

[16:27] Speaker 4: Yes. We have three cats and, uh, they work, you know, extensively with the Ashtar Command and the Forces of Light. And, uh, Tom the ring-tailed cat, Larry "Curly Mose", Sweet Angelique the cat. Tom is a black panther. He's appeared to me, or shown up in the physical. He's a shapeshifter. And I've been working with him, oh God, for longer than I can recall. I used to go, uh, um, before I met Tara, during the first Gulf War that, you know, we caused, courtesy of, you know, Bush Senior and Shrub Junior.

[17:25] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[17:27] Speaker 4: A- and I would go with Tom, Larry "Curly Mose", Sweet Angelique, Mother Sekhmet, to Iraq, Kuwait. And we would beam folks up onto the ships. This is not a joke. This is real. It's happening right now in Iran, in Syria, Lebanon, parts of the Golan Heights that go into Syria, which is all Syrian land, not Israel. Israel is the problem. AIPAC is the problem here. And this is why we need to hold our elected officials, uh, accountable. And it's big. And I heard Bernie Sanders was on Chris Hayes tonight, and he's one of the white knights that know Saint Germain. And, you know, I can't speak for Bernie Sanders, but I used to serve him lunch up in Montpelier, Vermont, back in the '80s. And, oh my God, (laughs) wild stories.

[18:42] Speaker 2: Back when you were a chef at a restaurant?

[18:45] Speaker 4: Um, yeah.

[18:48] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[18:48] Speaker 4: Yes.

[18:48] Speaker 2: That's pretty cool. Was he in politics then? He was, wasn't he? I think he started in the 70s.

[18:53] Speaker 4: Yes. He's been in politics, 19, since the 1970s, you know, Burlington, Vermont, calling these folks out, getting out there with Jesse Jackson and so many other folks, um, saying it like it is that we need to hold these people accountable who are stuffing their pockets with our taxpayer dollars, to bomb innocent people who had nothing to do with, uh, creating the situation we're in. This is absolutely on Israel, on the United States, and it's huge because, uh, we need to deal with this in a lawful, peaceful way. Violence is never the answer. Love is always the answer. Yet, that fierce divine justice of what Lady Master Liberty, the goddess Columbia, sits on top of the Capitol Building. She is a goddess. She is real. She represents that energy of liberty, divine justice, divine mercy. She works with Lady Master Ma'at, who is another aspect of Mother Sekhmet. The, um, Ma'at is the, uh, holder of the scales in ancient Egypt.

[20:40] Speaker 4: And you weigh the soul on the scale against the feather, and if the feather, you know, is lighter than the soul, you ascend. If the soul is heavier than the feather, well, you take a ride with Anubis across the River Styx and you deal with your karma dharma. It's a big deal. I pass-

[21:12] Speaker 2: Wow.

[21:12] Speaker 4: ... pos- I pass the talking stick.

[21:14] Speaker 2: Well, wait, before you pass it, Rama, I wanted to ask have you ever seen any of the Peshat ETs actually shape-shift from human to cat-

[21:23] Speaker 4: Yes.

[21:23] Speaker 2: ... or cat to human? You've seen that happen?

[21:25] Speaker 4: (laughs) I've had more experiences with Tom than I know how to talk about. He shape-shifted and showed up in my car. And, uh-

[21:36] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[21:36] Speaker 4: ... one time, I have a picture I can send to you where he's looking at me through the window to say, "Hello. It's time to talk." And I mean, he looks like a real big black panther, just like in-

[21:55] Speaker 2: Wow.

[21:55] Speaker 4: ... you know, Wakanda Forever or, you know, Wakanda. And these are the beings that work from the constellation Lyra, Lyra. Lisa Royale was recently started to come forward and put more stories out about Lemuria, Atlantis, and the people of Lyra. I remember being on Lyra, as well as some of the other constellation planets in this glorious story that, you know, in a galaxy not so far, far away. It's right here, Milky Way Galaxy. We are surrounded by 26 other galaxies at this present moment. Besides Milky Way Galaxy, all of them live in peace, unity, and divine consciousness. And Earth is center stage 'cause we are ascending with our bodies. This is the biggest story ever. It's not about the old timeline, it's about this new timeline that we're already moving into the fifth dimension. And in recent days, weeks, I could say, in the last few weeks, um, Mr.

[23:30] Speaker 4: X, Lady Nada, the King of Swords, so many other folks are working with these warrior Peshats that have come from Lyra and from the Nibiru and from other, uh, starships in the Ashtar Command on the ground in Iran to deal with the situations. I know Mr. Cash probably can't talk about this kind of stuff. He doesn't go there. And, um, but I can. I don't have a gag order. And I didn't sign any nondisclosure agreements. And this is about how beings right now, this present moment, 8:38 PM (laughs) spring equinox, these beings are here to help us ascend. And it's big because love is the answer. War is not the answer. Yet-There is this disclosure that has to happen. These beings come from 10 to 15 million years ahead of our present civilization, and I know that sounds like so far out there or ridiculous, but it's not. And, uh, in a sense, we're moving into those realms right now to connect with these beings.

[25:19] Speaker 4: That's why there are so many folks getting contacted in dreams, in flashes of energy, messages. Sometimes these folks show up in your emails. They show up on your text messages-

[25:40] Speaker 5: Yeah.

[25:40] Speaker 4: ... to just say, "Hey, we see you. We know what you're going through. Remember, love is the answer and use the violet flame," because that answers all the questions along with the Office of the Christ, uh, and, uh, it- it's a very awesome time to be here to see this. I mean, every day right now, like Stephan Burns is talking about, um, the magnetic field of the sun is splitting in two, and there are two ginormous coronal holes in the sun as we're talking tonight, and those coronal holes are sending high speed plasma light directly into Mother Gaia. It's not, you know, anything to be afraid of. It's about to embrace that light and allow it to help you work with whatever's going on in your life that's not in balance because these 13 families who are out of time, they're out of money, they're not out of love, yet whatever they're pulling out of their pockets is all script.

[27:11] Speaker 4: What I mean by that, it is not based in real currency that's not backed by the full faith and credit of what holds this country together. They don't talk about that much. Bernie kind of talks about it. There's another man named Professor Richard Wolf who comes on, uh, Free Speech TV, uh, and he does this show called Economic Update, and he talks about this currency problem that we got, and, you know, how that gets rectified is by holding our so-called elected officials accountable for their actions, and, you know, um, we live in New Mexico. I have never visited the Zoro Ranch or Mr. Epstein's land out there, yet this is a very big deal because there are so many players in this story that go all around the planet. I've met former governor Bill Richardson, I've met Governor Gary Johnson, talked with both of them numerous times on various radio shows over the years in New Mexico, and Governor Bruce King sold the Zoro Ranch to Epstein and his cronies, and I...

[28:51] Speaker 4: You know, blaze the violet fire, this is a hard one to say, but there are bodies of people in, on the Zoro Ranch that they're trying to find with, uh, cadaver dogs that are used to dig up people who have, you know, been under the rubble. I mean, Gaza, I don't even know what to say about Gaza. Every day, I get messages from Rosa, from Palestine, as I call her. She used to be an Al Jazeera journalist. They killed her whole family. She's the only one left. She works with the White Knights and the Forces of Light. And the Poppy Lady, I've known her since 1979 when Afghanistan was invaded by the so-called former Soviet Union, Russia, and to this day, she still is working with the people of Afghanistan and the White Knights, the Forces of Light.

[30:02] Speaker 4: I just call her the Poppy Lady, and she flies a shuttle craft like all the other folks I talk to, and we beam folks up, reconstitute them from the DNA that, hmm, was left on the ground when they went over the rainbow, and these people can be restored back to wholeness. As we get to the moment in a very short time after they went over the body over the rainbow, we can reconstitute them quite literally with the beam of the shuttle craft like they use in the other, um...... ships. I mean, right now, I could say we're pretty much experiencing what we see in Star Trek: Next Generation, Star Trek: Deep Space Nine, Voyager. When Gene Roddenberry created these series, he was getting downloads directly from Captain Ashtar. I don't know how many folks in Hollywood can talk about this. I can. I met Gene Roddenberry way back when Ge- when George Van Tassel used to do his channelings with Ashtar at Giant Rock near, um, Joshua Tree.

[31:37] Speaker 4: And, I mean, they have kind of turned, you know, the whole Giant Rock and Joshua Tree into this, um... they charge a lot of money for people to go there, and I don't know what that's about yet. You know, speakers, educators need to be paid, yet there needs to be a different way how this works. So we're... you know, I'd love to go to those things. But, you know, the price is, like, outrageous. Like, the concerts these days, you need hundreds, if not thousands-

[32:14] Speaker 6: Yeah.

[32:14] Speaker 4: ... of dollars to go visit these events. And, you know, I could go on and on. I pass the talking stick.

[32:24] Speaker 6: (laughs)

[32:24] Speaker 7: (laughs)

[32:26] Speaker 3: So that was marvelous.

[32:27] Speaker 6: Thank you, Rama. Yeah, thank you, Rama.

[32:29] Speaker 4: Yeah.

[32:29] Speaker 6: Should Rama give his news update now, Padmé, do you think? Or ... what happened to you?

[32:32] Speaker 3: Sure, absol- absolutely. And I don't know if Penny was having trouble getting on or missed the Zoom.

[32:38] Speaker 6: She's, she's, she's joining us on the phone.

[32:40] Speaker 3: Oh. Oh, good, perfect.

[32:41] Speaker 6: Mm-hmm.

[32:41] Speaker 3: Uh, I think she and Rama... I mean, Rama can speak of what he w- uh, this is just paraphrasing what I heard earlier between sort of the three of us, uh, or four of us, basically, is Rama can say what he needed to. And I think Penny, she's a lovely reader, and she was gonna... she already, I think, did the dictation, scribing of it, so... scribe of it.

[33:02] Speaker 6: Uh-huh.

[33:02] Speaker 3: So, um, welcome, Penny, and, uh-

[33:05] Speaker 8: I can hear, Padmé.

[33:07] Speaker 3: Well, greetings.

[33:08] Speaker 8: Padmé, Padmé.

[33:09] Speaker 3: Took the long way.

[33:09] Speaker 8: I'm here.

[33:09] Speaker 6: Greetings. (laughs)

[33:10] Speaker 3: The long... you must've taken the long way in.

[33:13] Speaker 8: Yes, I've gone, I've gone all the way around Platt West to get to Scouts Bridge, is what's happened.

[33:18] Speaker 6: (laughs)

[33:19] Speaker 3: Oh, I'm glad you're still in the Milky Way galaxy. We were just making sure. (overlapping dialogue)

[33:24] Speaker 8: Yes, I can-... I'm still in the Milky Way galaxy, yeah, yeah. Okay.

[33:27] Speaker 3: Marvelous, dude.

[33:29] Speaker 8: I'm here.

[33:29] Speaker 3: Marvelous. And before I forget, quick, um, a- at any time, at any... at the point, Rama is free to give us, uh, an APAC, uh, just a quick synopsis at some point, maybe later. Uh, there's... because I don't think everyone really gets it. But go on, Penny, let's go. Let's do the report. We're in live time. So thank you, Rama, and thank you, Penny, thanks for-

[33:47] Speaker 8: Well, just wait, just wait, just wait.

[33:49] Speaker 3: Oh, wait. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. You gotta pull that mic down a tad.

[33:52] Speaker 8: Hey, w- wait, wait a minute, Padmé, you're talking too fast again.

[33:55] Speaker 3: Uh, yeah, and you're talking super-

[33:56] Speaker 8: Hi, Padmé.

[33:57] Speaker 3: Oh, the volume's twice the l- uh, yeah. Bring it down one notch, if I c- uh, if you can. I love the excitement, and I'm just... it's, uh... go on.

[34:08] Speaker 6: Yeah, go ahead, Penny.

[34:09] Speaker 8: I want to know where we are, what we're doing. Whereabout... are we at the beginning of something, the end of something? What the fuck is going on? I am cornfused.

[34:19] Speaker 3: Oh.

[34:19] Speaker 6: (laughs)

[34:20] Speaker 3: Well, well, welcome. We are-

[34:22] Speaker 8: Yes, I... it's a simple logistical question. Where the fuck are we?

[34:26] Speaker 6: Yes (laughs) .

[34:27] Speaker 3: Well, currently, we're on Gaia but, you know, uh, in various locations. But, um, soon to be traveling, I'm sure, at some point. But we are-

[34:36] Speaker 8: Yeah.

[34:37] Speaker 3: ... what we're doing is I created the name because it came from so many different things, and it just brought in more than a double entendre, as I said before, of things that... I now have a mini black cat that... or is like a mini panther, and I feel a lot of heartfelt energy about the Black Panthers and their movement. Their original platform was very, um, uh, very succinct and cogent and non-violent, and-

[35:06] Speaker 6: Non-violent.

[35:06] Speaker 3: ... that just got bowled over, and many lost their lives from the infiltration of it. And it's part of the old brutal matrix. And, um, I was little, and, but I understood that they were trying to ask for some basic things. And the Seattle Times newspaper was the only one who even published their 10 mandates. So, with that, and then I know panthers are marvelous healers and shamans and medicine beings. All cats are. And then, uh, as you mentioned earlier when we talked before, um, uh, uh, we have Tom the ringtail cat, which is Rama's, um, c- friend and panther of p- of human and panther friend. And then, uh, many are having black cats show up and s- uh, just randomly, and taking them in. And so they're also holding space for everything that, going forward, belongs to us as divine beings, as dis- divine sovereignty, a divine money system, um, which is NASARA.

[36:10] Speaker 3: And we are living NASARA by our very hearts on this globe-

[36:14] Speaker 8: Yeah.

[36:14] Speaker 3: ... each and every one of us.

[36:15] Speaker 6: Yeah.

[36:16] Speaker 3: So-

[36:16] Speaker 6: Yes, indeed.

[36:17] Speaker 3: And so-

[36:18] Speaker 6: Yes.

[36:18] Speaker 3: ... and then going... and then you... we just bring... I mean, uh, everyone has paved the way for such beautiful things. It- w- it seemed like we just needed to continue with the beautiful parts. We've... we were wishing Tara some really good healing on her journey right now.

[36:33] Speaker 6: Yeah.

[36:34] Speaker 3: And we've got-

[36:34] Speaker 6: Yeah.

[36:34] Speaker 3: ... Solo Rama and us, um, and us together. I just needed to keep the portal open as we, as we go.

[36:43] Speaker 6: Mm-hmm.

[36:43] Speaker 3: Grow a garden.

[36:44] Speaker 8: Okay. Can I ask again, um, how long do we have to be on the radio, and where are we at in terms of time?

[36:52] Speaker 3: Oh, was that your real question? Okay.

[36:54] Speaker 6: Another, yeah. Another round.

[36:55] Speaker 8: Well, that's part of the question. I mean, we're-

[36:58] Speaker 3: Oh. Yeah.

[36:59] Speaker 8: Yeah, I... that 'cause, uh, uh, I'm looking at the clock, and it's 10 to 9:00 or something. So I'm saying, "What?" (laughs)

[37:05] Speaker 3: Sure.

[37:06] Speaker 9: Okay.

[37:06] Speaker 3: Well, it's... And it's... Let's see, I do it in my time here, which is West Coast time, 7:47. Uh, Core, your, uh, your piece is 44 mins?

[37:17] Speaker 9: Yeah, it is. It's about f- it is about that. Yes, 44 minutes. Uh-huh. Yeah.

[37:23] Speaker 3: Okay.

[37:23] Speaker 9: And so we go, mountain time, um, Penny, we would go to 10:00 PM.

[37:29] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[37:29] Speaker 9: Well, that- that's what I want to know. Okay.

[37:32] Speaker 3: Okay, yeah.

[37:32] Speaker 9: I didn't know how you were going to put all this in. That's all.

[37:35] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[37:35] Speaker 9: Okay.

[37:36] Speaker 3: Okay. Yeah, so we will probably... Is it almost time?

[37:38] Speaker 9: But-

[37:39] Speaker 3: You guys read the report?

[37:40] Speaker 9: Is that going to be... I'm sorry, I'm interrupting.

[37:43] Speaker 3: Go on.

[37:45] Speaker 9: Is that going to be the regular schedule 8:00 to 10:00?

[37:48] Speaker 3: Yes.

[37:48] Speaker 9: Or is it going to be- Mountain ... 7:00 to 9:00

[37:50] Speaker 3: Yes, because we have Nicole, Brandon on the hour-

[37:53] Speaker 9: Yeah, how... Sure, I'm talking loud.

[37:55] Speaker 3: ... before. Yeah. Hour before-

[37:56] Speaker 9: Yeah.

[37:56] Speaker 3: ... is Nicole, Brandon, "I'd Like to Check Her-"

[37:58] Speaker 9: So we-

[37:58] Speaker 3: "... Things Out." And then, uh, after that is "Adama Speaks", um, after the-

[38:04] Speaker 9: Yeah.

[38:05] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[38:05] Speaker 9: Yeah, so... So the show begins at, at, um, 7:00 PM Pacific-

[38:12] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

[38:12] Speaker 9: ... all right, 8:00 PM Mountain, 9:00 PM Central East, and 10:00 PM, uh, Eastern Time. So for us in Mountain- All right ... it begins at 8:00 PM. Now, should we have Rama So I have to, I have to revise that sheet Okay. Yes, indeed. Um, so should we have Rama do his update then, his news update now

[38:34] Speaker 3: Yeah. Don't you think? Yeah.

[38:35] Speaker 9: Okay, that would be great.

[38:36] Speaker 3: Yep.

[38:36] Speaker 9: Rama, can you give us the news update?

[38:39] Speaker 4: Yes, I can read it.

[38:41] Speaker 9: Excellent. Thank you.

[38:43] Speaker 4: Okay. Um, this starts out on Friday, Friday the 13th. I call it Mother's Day 'cause she is number 13 in the circle with the 12 others of the, um, warrior goddesses. Um, "Greetings, everyone. Today, I went to Sun Mountain and sat with five deer, nine crows, and two snow white hawks. We sat in silence for 10 minutes. Then we got up and walked in a circle, uh, with the Adi Shakti Mantra playing in the background for about 10 minutes. Then they went on their way to do their day. Then I received a text message from the King of Swords, Mr. X, Tom the ring-tailed cat, Larry, Curly, Moe, and Sweet Angelique the cat." (laughs) All these are shots. "They said to me, 'Greetings, Lord Rama. We are in our shuttle craft near Beirut, Lebanon. Everything that is going on has nothing to do with nukes, yet has everything to do with the Epstein files.' The King of Swords went on.

[40:10] Speaker 4: 'At the present moment, the Department of Justice is investigating the Zoro Ranch in New Mexico along with the Attorney General of New Mexico. They're looking for bodies with cadaver dogs. This story goes much deeper than any mainstream news network is talking about. This involves former Governor Bruce King and former Governor Bill Richardson. We could tell you many more stories. However, put this in the circle of support and blaze a violet fire. See you in the light of the most radiant one. Sat Nam. Namaste. Om Shiva.'" And this, um, we heard from Mr. Cash through the grapevine that, "There are over 400,000 Iranian people who have gone over the rainbow. There are over 12,000 men, women, and maybe children who have also gone over the rainbow. These numbers so far have not been reported in mainstream news." That is a big one because these are war crimes and crimes against humanity, international war crimes. I'm not a lawyer. I don't even wanna go there.

[41:40] Speaker 4: I'm learning how to work with Captain Asthar and the New Jerusalem, that bridge. And, uh, this is big because, uh, there are people sitting in Congress collecting millions of dollars. And, I mean, this goes to bribery, corruption. Uh, I don't even know how to describe it. It's like a very bad version of The Godfather, and I don't wanna... I'll leave it there. This is Sunday. "Greetings, everyone. Today, I went to Moon Mountain. There, I sat with seven deer, 14 crows, and two coyote couples. We all sat in silence for about 10 to 15 minutes. Then everybody went on their way to do their day. Then I received a text message from Mr. X, who said, 'Lord Rama, this is the most intense time ever. From the 15th to the 17th, St.

[42:55] Speaker 4: Patrick's Day, the energies coming in are creating huge spikes in the Schumann resonance field.' You can go to that Schumann resonance chart on the internet, and you could see how big it is."This is what is affecting everyone when you're having headaches, um, heart palpitations, dizziness, vertigo, nausea, different aches and pains. Uh, it's very big. (sighs) Um, there is a lot of electromagnetic energy with the Earth, the Sun, and the Moon. There could be some earthquakes around the planet. Remember to stay safe. Blaze the violet fire. See you in the light of the most radiant one. Sat Nam. Namaste. Om Shiva. This is the 17th. Happy St. Paddy's Day. Greetings, everyone. Tuesday, today, at 1:06 PM, I went up to St. John's College, and then went and sat with 21 deer, 15 crows, and two bobcats. They came right up to me and sat down. They were very calm. And then I played the Gayatri Mantra for all the folks, and we did that for about 15 minutes.

[44:27] Speaker 4: We walked in a circle and do the breath, Kundalini Breath of Fire, like Aurora Ray has been teaching people for so many years, and Yogi Bhajan. Then, they uh, cre- then, they then created a circle for me, told me to lie down in it. So, I laid down in the circle. They, um, non-verbally point with their paws, and they're that sentient, and they just point with their paws and say, "Get down there," so I listened to them. So, I laid down in the circle for about 10 minutes. Then Lightning Master Leonardo showed up out of the blue. She said, "This is the time where we get to use our Jedi powers and abilities, as the timelines are shifting faster than I can talk to you. Please stay in the violet flame. It is our saving grace. The galactics have got this one. No war. Stay safe. We are all working with you, with you, with your beloved Green Torah." See you in the light of the most radiant one.

[45:47] Speaker 10: (laughs)

[45:49] Speaker 4: Sat Nam. Namaste. Blaze the violet fire. Om Shiva. I'll read you just a second. This is Wednesday. Greeting everyone. Today, I went out to Crystal Springs, a little north of Santa Fe. There is a crystal portal there, and we opened the crystal portal. There were 13 deer, eight crows, and three golden hawks. We all did the Gayatri Mantra for 10 minutes for world peace. Then they went on their way, and then I stood in the center of the grid and spun my crystals that I use all the time. The light formed inside the crystal dome, which shimmered and glowed for a bit. It stayed shimmering, and then it cleared up. He we- then I went to touch the inside of the crystal dome and got a shock, like touching a battery post on your car that's like, 12 volts. It's enough to kind of, you know, hey, you know, that's a big one. The four... And, uh, there was a force field in the crystal dome, and the force field inside the dome was activated, but I could not see it.

[47:23] Speaker 4: Then I spun the crystals outside the dome, and then I walked inside the dome. And apparently I, I couldn't just walk in. I had to spin the crystals outside the dome to create an opening, and then I could walk into the dome. This has never happened to me before. This happened yesterday, first time ever. And what this tells me is that these various, uh, places around the planet, this land, the Crystal Springs in, near Santa Fe, used to be owned by these people who worked for Bill and Melinda Gates. I don't know if they're still alive or... The property is for sale, and it actually is a portal in the mountains near Santa Fe. Ac- there was an actual spring there. I think there is. I haven't really gone to it in a very long time, like maybe 10 years or more. And, um, so, uh, once I spun the crystals and walked into the dome, the energies blinked at me. It was like somebody blinking. Uh, like, all of a sudden this, I could feel something just, kind of, you know, touch me, like a soft wind.

[49:04] Speaker 4: And then I acknowledged that, you know, this light was there, and I got this welcome feeling in my heart.And after the, that experience, the lights in the dome faded out and I was back in 3D. All... At this time, all the animals were watching this. And then I received a text message from Lady Nada again, and Mr. X. They both said, "Everything going on is now about the Epstein files, not Iran and not nuclear weapons." In fact, the Democrats walked out of a closed-door meeting in the last day or two because what was being said was not the correct information. They were lying through their teeth. This is our Congress, that's why they need to be held accountable. Uh, it's a big deal. They... And, um, Mr. X and Lady Nada said, "The forces of light are here, and with the spring equinox, things are going to change radically. Go and listen to Stephan Burns, his 17-minute video about the magnetic field affecting the sun and the earth, doing wild things no one has ever seen.

[50:35] Speaker 4: See you in the light of the most radiant ones. Sat Nam, namaste." Blazed violet fire, om Shiva. And, um, this is... Hang on here. Today, 19. Greetings, everyone. Happy new moon in Pisces, happy spring equinox. Today I sat with nine deer, three crows, and one black cat. Here we go with the black cats again. Over at the IM Sanctuary, we all sat in silence for about 15 minutes for the spring equinox. Then everybody went on their way to do their day. Then I received a text message from Natasha, Lady Nada, and Mr. X. They said to me, "Greetings, Lord Rama. Happy spring equinox. What is coming in from the sun is going to change everything. The electromagnetic fields are doing very strange things." Mr. X went on to say, "This happened the last time 9,800 years ago." We didn't have CNN or MSN now or, you know, any of the news networks, so nobody reported on the events that were going on 9,800 years ago. This was the beginning of the destruction of Atlantis.

[52:17] Speaker 4: Uh, meanwhile, right at that time, 9,800 years ago, um, there was kind of an interplanetary war going on between, um, s- the forces of light and the Nephilim, the, you know, Anunnaki, the ones who come and conquer, not the ones who teach. Um, and Maldek exploded. These were the chunks of Maldek that started to hit the planet. Stephan Burns is talking about how there are, you know, meteors coming in. There was a meteor that showed up in our atmosphere and exploded over Ohio, and everybody heard it. Now people are starting to look for the meteor and maybe thinking they could find some exotic minerals or gold or silver or platinum. Uh, you know, I don't know what to say, yet these kinds of energies with the meteorites, you be very careful because they radiate an energy that as you're not working with the right energies, i- it'll get you, so to speak.

[53:44] Speaker 4: And, um, what is happening in this magnetic shift, and it is moving us into the higher realms, that energy is of the fi- fifth dimension and higher. Full disclosure, could happen at any time. See you in the light of the most radiant ones. Sat Nam. Namaste." Blazed violet fire, om Shiva. What I'm saying is that the meteorites, you know, a lot of them come from the various asteroids that circle Earth. And, you know, there is this debris field that, you know, goes out past, um, Mars. And between Mars and Jupiter, that was where Maldek used to exist. After Maldek exploded, it went supernova, it became the asteroid belt. And, mm, there are crazies out there, you know, with lots of dollars right now. These oligarchs who want to go and mine the asteroids and bring the asteroids back to earth and use that for whatever nefarious purposes I could say. Yet, e- even in of itself......

[55:17] Speaker 4: as they were even to try to mount an expedition or some kind of mission with the current technology, which is like, um, it's like basically Fred Flinstone and Barney trying to get in the spaceship and go mine asteroids. And it doesn't work because these things are very delicate. And the technology of the Ashtar Command and the other galactic forces can, you know, do that stuff with asteroids. They can... They use tractor beams just like in Star Trek: Next Generation. They can move the asteroids out of the, you know, direction of Earth and move it to a safe position where the asteroid's not going to hit the planet. I mean, there was that weird movie out there with Bruce Willis that they were going to... Armageddon, what a name. I don't even want to bring it up, They Survived the Fire. But they're, you know, supposed to go and detonate a nuke on this asteroid so that it doesn't hit the Earth, and it doesn't end very well for Bruce Willis and the crew.

[56:41] Speaker 4: Uh, I don't know what to say about that, but it's... You know, asteroids, comets, the meteorites coming in, these are cosmic messengers, just like 3I Atlas, 31 Atlas. It's not an asteroid, it's a spaceship. It is from Lyra. There are people on that ship that are Peshats, there are Pleiadians, there are Lerans, there are probably Sirians, and, uh, Arcturians, Andromedans, yet nobody's going to talk about that. Maybe Stephan Burns might, maybe, uh, Lisa Royale or Pam Gregory or, um, some of the other channels out there. Yeah, 3I Atlas, 31 Atlas is not a threat. Neither is Comet SWAN or the other comets out there. They are all cosmic messengers like Patty Cota-Robles talks about. When comets come in, they bring a frequency that shifts our planet tremendously higher. Sandra Walter talks about these comets as well a- and she lives in Sedona and does ascension workshops an- and it is just so amazing to see these things happening in real time.

[58:20] Speaker 4: It gives me tremendous hope that, you know, we've... Already in the fifth dimension like we've been saying and how we work with that is first and foremost this, this Adam Kadmon is the first order of the day. When you have this body in balance, everything else shows up. I mean, this is why when I go out and sit with the animals, I just get into that, that oneness, that aurora ray-

[58:58] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[58:59] Speaker 4: ... and, uh, talk about just stay in the oneness. Go there. Don't go anywhere else. Stay in the present now moment. All we have is right now. There ain't nothing else going on. And when you do that and you get real calm, almost to the point where you're nodding out, that place between dreaming, waking, that's when the magic happens. I- it's really amazing stuff. And I can do that, you know, kind of got to sit there maybe 10 minutes, 15 minutes, 20 minutes, and it just happens. And the animals show up, or sometimes they're there before I get there because they already know I'm going to show up, and it's just... I, I'm deeply humbled by these experiences. Every day is a new adventure and it's not waking up to just another day in Mordor in the war. It's about bringing the light in that never fails. And I passed the talking stick. I've probably done too much talking.

[01:00:19] Speaker 4: (laughs)

[01:00:20] Speaker 3: Oh, not at all. (laughs) Yeah. It's, uh, it's really good to hear you speak like that, Rama. I, I mean, it just really is. You have a lot of information and wisdom, and you, um, bring in a lot of, um, articulate stream of consciousness of things that are just wonderful for us to hear. You know Absolutely. Um, TJ is signaling us we need to start the interview now or we'll run out of time

[01:00:48] Speaker 4: Yes. Yes.

[01:00:48] Speaker 3: Okay.

[01:00:49] Speaker 4: So-

[01:00:50] Speaker 3: Okay, Padme, if that's- Okay. Understood. I am sorry, Penny, we're just getting a, you know, rough... Uh, it- it's what... It's a, it's a ongoing experiment here at... of the garden. Um, and I don't know. Did you submit... Uh, okay. I, I guess we'll just let the thing roll, and then I'll say we could talk at the end, and I'll just talk about the song I'm going to play at the end. Okay. Um, thank you everyone. This, um... I don't know what I'm doing, but my heart is in the right place.

[01:01:20] Speaker 3: So thank you all

[01:01:22] Speaker 11: You're doing great.

[01:01:23] Speaker 12: Thank you.

[01:01:23] Speaker 11: And this is an interview with author and spiritual teacher and musician Jennifer Ruth Russell. So, um, we can ask our producer, our BBS producer to spin that. Thank you. Welcome, everybody. The big question here is how can Mother Mary help you get out of a feeling of being stuck with money, with debt, with just feeling bad about yourself, putting yourself down, calling yourself a lot of interesting names 'cause you feel like you could never get ahead financially, but also emotionally with money? So, today, we're talking to Jennifer Ruth Russell. Jennifer is an award-winning songwriter, spiritual mentor, author of six books, including the new Create Abundance with Mother Mary. Jennifer serves as a scribe for Mother Mary's teachings on abundance, prayer, and the creative power. She's founder of The Academy, which is an online community inspired by the teachings of Mother Mary, the ascended masters, archangels, and the nature kingdom.

[01:02:23] Speaker 11: So for more than 20 years, Jennifer has supported clients and students in moving out of financial struggle and emotional heaviness, guiding people back to the light of their own divinity and all the power therein. And so her relationship with Mother Mary ha- has inspired six books so far. Create Abundance with Mother Mary, Opulence Infusion: A New Faith Currency, and also Expanded Light Body Meditations. Many of her books are paired with original music, including the EP Opulence Light Songs, which is phenomenal, and the Expanded Light Body Songs album. And Jennifer's also the founder of the Angels of Abundance Ascension Academy and host of the globally ranked Morning Light Meditations podcast, and that has received more than 150,000 downloads. So her books, music, courses, spiritual community can be found at jenniferruthrussell.com and angelsofabundanceascensionacademy.com. And if you're listening on BBS Radio, that will be in the show description. So, welcome, Jennifer.

[01:03:27] Speaker 11: Really glad you're here.

[01:03:29] Speaker 12: Mm. I am so grateful to be here. Thank you, beloved Caroline.

[01:03:33] Speaker 11: Yep.

[01:03:33] Speaker 12: I just am so grateful for your presence on the planet and the work that you're doing and the way that our paths have crossed over the years. My heart is just so full of appreciation and love. Thank you so much.

[01:03:45] Speaker 11: Uh-oh. It's my pleasure. Very thankful for your beautiful presence. You know, you put in the book to begin with asking about why does this matter, you know, the whole idea of transformation, having faith, and going beyond what we see, what... the known. And that's been your journey, and you went through some very intense times financially. And you're saying all this matters, this kinda transformation matters because as a human race, it's time to receive the full banquet of our true wealth and prosperity, which is absolutely beautiful. And it's time for us to truly become galactic citizens as we learn to participate in the Aquarian age. I agree, this is a book to guide us gently out of the harshness of relentless work. You know, all the hustle that goes in and all the fears and panic. Even if I got this month covered, what about next month? On and on. So it's 42 days of beautiful, gentle instructions and meditations. There's no criticism. There's no...

[01:04:42] Speaker 11: none of this nonsense we see in some books about, "If you've done this financially, that was foolish. You can maybe fix it quickly if you do this." There's no condemnation. There's only beautiful support.

[01:04:53] Speaker 12: Mm.

[01:04:53] Speaker 11: And you're talking... you talked about, I think, a rainy day when you were in the Ukraine, and you stepped into a museum. Now, what happened in that, that strange, beautiful moment?

[01:05:05] Speaker 12: You know, that was some cosmic events, and there are moments that happen to you as a cosmic event. This was one of those for me.

[01:05:13] Speaker 11: Mm-hmm.

[01:05:13] Speaker 12: Because I actually heard Mother Mary as I was looking at a, at a, a painting of hers. It wasn't a beautiful painting. It was old. It looked like it needed to be cleaned up a lot. But there was something there that just opened my heart to hear her call my name. And she told me that day that she wanted to mentor me, and it began this whole beautiful series of events. And I will say that h- day happened because I had been asking. (laughs) You know, we are the ones that ask.

[01:05:45] Speaker 12: We are the ones that say, "I want this experience."

[01:05:48] Speaker 11: Yeah.

[01:05:48] Speaker 12: And I was, for a few years before that happened, I was determined to know the Divine Feminine in my life. And of course, Mother Mary came up as a possibility, and I remember getting a little statuette. I still have it on my altar. And I realized after that time happened how much this building of this moment because I was in pursuit of something more, and I just wanna say that out loud because I think many times as light workers we're kind of waiting for something to happen that's truly mystical and profound for us. And I lived in a question, which I saw in the Seven Sacred Flames, Aurelia Louise Jones book, that said on the fifth ray, which is the ray of healing and abundance and, and beautiful universal truths, it said that abundance flows through the Immaculate Heart of Mother Mary. And I was like, "Well, abundance has been my journey, or the lack of." So I was like, "What does that mean?" And I just wanna say to you and to all of us that living in a question is truly a sacred path.

[01:06:56] Speaker 12: It's truly a journey, and that question had been answered, and it's still being answered for me. But that day, to me, when I heard her call my name was the culmination of a lot of choice from my end.

[01:07:12] Speaker 11: Mm.

[01:07:12] Speaker 12: If you know what I mean. (laughs)

[01:07:13] Speaker 11: Yeah. Really beautiful. I can just see your spirit guides guiding you into that museum because that had some special sanctuary-type quality to it that you were just gonna connect with her there. Did you hear it audibly in your outer ear or inner ear?... inwardly.

[01:07:28] Speaker 12: I heard it in my inner ear. I hear things in my inner ear.

[01:07:32] Speaker 11: Yeah.

[01:07:32] Speaker 12: Um, and i- it was, you know, and it's taken me a lot of human movement through doubt, through self-doubt. Am I really hearing? Am I really hearing what I'm hearing, you know? And I know that we all go through that, but yes, I definitely audibly heard it in her ear.

[01:07:47] Speaker 11: So then you, you were already a channeler at that point, is that right?

[01:07:52] Speaker 12: No.

[01:07:53] Speaker 11: You hadn't channeled yet.

[01:07:54] Speaker 12: I know that I have the gift of claircognizance.

[01:07:58] Speaker 11: Okay.

[01:07:59] Speaker 12: So I have a knowing. Uh, I've always had it ever since I was young. But as far as when Mother Mary said, "I want us to commune every day," and that became a place where I would come with questions and she would give me answers.

[01:08:15] Speaker 11: Mm-hmm.

[01:08:15] Speaker 12: And I have to say, that is still the method that has been working for us, you know, even in my channeli- channeling sessions or my Q and... I have a Q&A every month with my community, and it is simply that place of asking a question and listening for the answer. It's very, uh, simple, and I think anyone can do it. I think that we are all meant to be oracles and scribes. As we grow spiritually, that's gonna happen for us.

[01:08:41] Speaker 11: Oh, beautiful.

[01:08:41] Speaker 12: What do you think about that? Do you think that?

[01:08:43] Speaker 11: Yeah, I think that people just grow into the path that they chose before they came to the earth. If you don't squash it, if you don't push it aside because you were taught, "Oh, that's nonsense. This sort of thing doesn't, doesn't really exist," if you find encouragement somewhere... I was never gonna find it in my up- interesting upbringing, but if you find encouragement somewhere, that's a great help. And for me, I started reading Saneia Roman's books where she channels Auren, who is a phenomenal higher being, and that just guided me. And within a few years, I was channeling. By the mid-'90s, I was channeling the answer to questions I was asking. And in a sense, it already started doing that even as, as a young person, but it became a huge part of my life. So I could see how all the pieces fit together for you as well.

[01:09:26] Speaker 12: Mm-hmm.

[01:09:26] Speaker 11: Including the rough spots. There's the rough po- points of our path, and then there's these beautiful places of light just pouring in. And so you just... Did you start channeling for Mother Mary right at that point, or soon after?

[01:09:39] Speaker 12: Pretty much I was, but I was keeping it very internal. I would, you know... I had all these messages coming in for my- myself, and at this point in the academy, I'd been teaching a 90-days Transform Your Money blueprint with Angels of Abundance-

[01:09:55] Speaker 11: Mm-hmm.

[01:09:55] Speaker 12: ... using your book, which your book-

[01:09:57] Speaker 11: (laughs)

[01:09:58] Speaker 12: ... Abundance for All, was such a catalyst in my life.

[01:10:01] Speaker 11: Oh.

[01:10:01] Speaker 12: And I wanted to bring something into a shorter amount of time. 90 days was a long time for people to commit to a process, and I just was like, "I need, I need to bring this into a shorter... Let's do 21. What about 21 days?" And so I was talking to Mother Mary about this and, "What, what content shall I use?" And she said, "Take a message. Gather lightworkers around you and take a message for 21 days, and every morning, send out this message to this group of lightworkers, and then we are going to create a book from that."

[01:10:32] Speaker 11: Oh.

[01:10:32] Speaker 12: And so I had never thought I was gonna be an author (laughs) , but I was like, "Oh, okay." You know, I was like, "Yes." My heart was racing. I was excited, and my, you know, my knees were shaking a bit. It was like, "Okay, can I really do this?" So that was the first time that I brought it into any kind of a public forum.

[01:10:49] Speaker 11: Well, Abundance for All, which is one of the first books that I channeled from the group I work with, the Collective, Mary, mother of Yeshua is in The Collective. So maybe you felt her presence from that book. Maybe that came through. That's, that's really lovely. So-

[01:11:05] Speaker 12: Yes.

[01:11:05] Speaker 11: ... let's look at the fact that a lot of people who are spiritually aware... Like I, I've been remembering since I've been reading this lovely book of yours, Create Abundance with Mother Mary, I got a memory of an email somebody sent me maybe seven or eight years ago. This guy was really contemptuous of my char- actually charging money to do channeling sessions for people.

[01:11:26] Speaker 12: (laughs)

[01:11:26] Speaker 11: And, you know, "You're doing spiritual work, but you're asking for money? That's wrong." So I explained to him, "Well, if you're not gonna pay for my rent (laughs) and groceries and bills, somebody has to. This is, this is work I take very seriously," and I noticed that people take things more seriously when they put out money for it, which is very, very interesting. But m- my question, though, is that so many people have been given this idea that if you're a spiritually aware person, you shouldn't have a lot of money, and they misquote this text, "Money... The love of money is the root of all evil," which may or may not be, um, a legitimate sort of phrase, that you find it in the Old Testament. But they misquote it as, "Money is the root of all evil," which is very, very sad. But what do you do if somebody comes to you and says, "Well, I've dedicated my life to spiritual growth," or, "I'm a practitioner, energy work practitioner.

[01:12:18] Speaker 11: I wanna help people spiritually," but they have all these money blocks? Mother Mary addresses a lot ab- about, uh, abundance blocks in the book. What would you say in sharing what Mother Mary has shared with us?

[01:12:32] Speaker 12: You know, there's so much around money, as you know.

[01:12:35] Speaker 11: Yeah.

[01:12:35] Speaker 12: There's so much energy around money. Money has been used for so many different situations of manipulation, of betrayal, of that striving and think that you're never going to have it. You know, my mother was also a... We'll call her a spiritual counselor. She... You know, people would come through her house all the time. She never charged a cent, right? That was her gift to the world. And I saw this, this part of me when I started charging for giving sessions and, and, and channeling. It was like I had to work through that because I was like, "Well, Mom didn't charge anything." You know, we're, we are... We equated hard work as being something we would manually do that was sweat, but, you know, I have to tell you to sit with someone in full attention, to listen for another, to be that place of the midwife for what they are ready to receive...I wouldn't call it hard work. It is intense work. It is, like, so focused, your focused attention.

[01:13:38] Speaker 12: And the thing that I wanna say is that our ascension, everyone has to get this. Okay? We can't just slide through thinking that we, "Oh, well, that was that life. I had a weird money experience, but the next one will be better." We've gotta take care of ourselves here. We've gotta go through that journey of where our blocks are, where our resistance is. We have so much support. Mother Mary has worked through my heart to really bring those resistances really to light and then help me work in, through them. Does she do the work for me? No. (laughs) Y- you know, ours is to do the work.

[01:14:16] Speaker 11: Yeah.

[01:14:16] Speaker 12: We have created so much blocks, resistance, beliefs around money-

[01:14:22] Speaker 11: Mm-hmm.

[01:14:23] Speaker 12: ... that have nothing to do with money, that... You know, money is just a, a neutral substance, but-

[01:14:28] Speaker 11: Yeah.

[01:14:28] Speaker 12: ... like with anything... And I love the channeling you did around the spirit of money, because it was so powerful to hear. Money says, "You know, I just wanna be friends." You know? I mean, we just-

[01:14:38] Speaker 11: (laughs)

[01:14:38] Speaker 12: "I'm just really here to serve you." And what we have done is really just twisted it up. And the thing that is, uh, that I think I wanna say more than anything, we are here this time 'cause we are to transcend all this human-

[01:14:53] Speaker 11: What shall we call it? (laughs)

[01:14:55] Speaker 12: ... aha's.

[01:14:55] Speaker 11: It's such a huge ta- (laughs) yeah, it's just a such a huge topic.

[01:14:59] Speaker 12: Mm-hmm. But individually. If I take responsibility for my relationship with money and I clean it up, it's gonna get much better. Everything's gonna get much better. We are, uh... I'm taking everyone in a master class right now through this book, and we just spent a week just in doing a process of forgiveness-

[01:15:19] Speaker 11: Yeah.

[01:15:19] Speaker 12: ... of anybody and everything, especially ourselves, of organizations. I p- I've had the IRS on my list, I've had the Presbyterian Church on my list. (laughs)

[01:15:29] Speaker 11: Yeah.

[01:15:29] Speaker 12: You know, I, I, I, I've had, you know, all the men in my life. I mean, I have put everything on that list that I need to really bring down to zero in my angst, in... You know, anything that is caught in your craw, you've gotta take care of it. And there are beautiful tools to take care of it. There are beautiful tools that we've been given. There's the violet flame, of course, which is the transmuting power to bring anything from a low place to a higher place. So if I am in debt... Debt has been a big one for me. Mother Mary says about debt is that we can release the burden of debt while the debt is still there. We can transform the way we think about the debt, and it's truly possible. It happened to me. I started to l- look at my debt as if it was a gift rather than a burden. And I can say right now that I'm debt-free, which is truly amazing.

[01:16:25] Speaker 11: Wonderful.

[01:16:26] Speaker 12: Yeah.

[01:16:27] Speaker 11: Absolutely brilliant. And Mother Mary says that money struggles are rarely about money, which is interesting.

[01:16:33] Speaker 12: Mm-hmm.

[01:16:33] Speaker 11: The first thing that pops into my head is what you've been talking about, that we've got this muddy connection to money, where we feel very ambivalent. We want it, but we feel strange or uncomfortable with it.

[01:16:45] Speaker 12: Mm-hmm.

[01:16:45] Speaker 11: And also, uh, self-worth, self-identity. Am I the type, quote-unquote, to do well financially?

[01:16:52] Speaker 12: Mm-hmm.

[01:16:52] Speaker 11: Do I deserve... If someone comes to you with that question, "Well, I've got a lot of I don't deserve issues," what would the response be there from Mother Mary, do you feel?

[01:17:02] Speaker 12: She would absolutely bring you into the intimacy of her heart. And I think the very, the very second chapter in the book is the most profound chapter, is Mother Mary... In fact, it was my asking. I said, "Mother Mary, we need to go beyond. I want something to go beyond what, what I already know." And she said, "You need to graft your heart to my heart." This simple act has been so profound for me, because it has taken the places within my heart that has built up the resistance, or we could say the money blocks-

[01:17:34] Speaker 11: Mm-hmm.

[01:17:34] Speaker 12: ... and just helped me to dissolve them one at a time. I'm still dissolving them. I have to say, this is a long process. It's not a short answer. (laughs)

[01:17:43] Speaker 11: Yeah.

[01:17:43] Speaker 12: It's not like, "Oh, do this, and everything's gonna be fine," because it is life-changing. It is, shall I say, my eternal life changing. Okay? I'm never gonna have to do this work again. If I'm coming back here, I'm not doing this work again. I know that I am taking care of it now.

[01:17:59] Speaker 11: It's just a lot of people have trouble with feeling worthy.

[01:18:02] Speaker 12: Oh, yes. This has been the biggest... My, my biggest journey has been through worthiness and deservedness.

[01:18:09] Speaker 11: Mm-hmm.

[01:18:09] Speaker 12: To, uh, the art of having. The art of having and holding, okay? To have and to hold-

[01:18:16] Speaker 11: Yeah.

[01:18:16] Speaker 12: ... abundance. Oh my goodness. And she says it is a art. It is something that you really need to walk through worthiness and feeling worthy, and that's... I wrote a song about I am worthy of my own love, because I realized that my journey has been about loving myself right where I am, l- and being worthy of having, being worthy of bringing in a good income, being worthy of allowing myself to experience the full loaf. And, you know, because I'm a missionary kid, okay?

[01:18:49] Speaker 11: Yeah.

[01:18:49] Speaker 12: I know how to live on nothing. (laughs) There's a story I love to tell. I had one pot, and I probably got it at a, a thrift store when my son was two years old. And he was, like, out of the house, and I remember this pot's handle fell off when I was gonna heat it up for some spaghetti or something, right? And I was like, "Oh my God, I only have one pot."

[01:19:12] Speaker 11: Mm-hmm.

[01:19:12] Speaker 12: Because I am... I would maybe call it that I'm a deprivation addict, right? I know how to get by with nothing.

[01:19:19] Speaker 11: Yeah.

[01:19:20] Speaker 12: But that's, that's not the point. The point is how do I open up to experience the full loaf. And two weeks later, I got a whole set of gourmet cookware that somebody was just releasing. (laughs)

[01:19:34] Speaker 11: Wow.

[01:19:34] Speaker 12: It was truly a demonstration for me-

[01:19:36] Speaker 11: Mm-hmm.

[01:19:36] Speaker 12: ... of let go of the lesser so the greater can come.

[01:19:39] Speaker 11: Yeah.

[01:19:40] Speaker 12: And when I finished writing this first book, I went through a dark night of the soul and it was all about me really embodying what Mother Mary was already bringing through.

[01:19:50] Speaker 11: Mm-hmm.

[01:19:51] Speaker 12: And she said to go back, absolutely look at everything again, but come out of that place of feeling like you don't deserve to be my scribe and my oracle, that you don't deserve to have success. And this has been my journey. And St. Germain has told us very clearly that there are two doors that we have to walk through for our ascension. One of them is called doubt and one of them is called fear.

[01:20:16] Speaker 11: Whoa.

[01:20:16] Speaker 12: And I don't think it's a one-time walkthrough. In fact, just last night, I had to take the walk from faith to fear, um, from fear to faith, right, to walk through that door. And I feel that these are the two things that we repeatedly have to do to build our faith to come up to- to, shall we say, above the line of really coming into abundance because abundance is a frequency. Gold is a frequency. You know, it- it is some place that you have to decide you want to live in. You, in fact, you, beloved lightworker, are being asked to live there, to transcend there, to stay there because now is the time of the new faith currency where we're being asked to really step in faith to a whole nother way of being. The whole money... The whole money structure is gonna be falling apart because it's not true.

[01:21:04] Speaker 11: Yeah.

[01:21:04] Speaker 12: It's not pure. It's not, it's not everlasting.

[01:21:07] Speaker 11: Mm-hmm. Yeah, it's having a hard time holding up with all the light coming into the earth and also the earth herself moving up. The Schumann resonance measures the earth's vibration and it is incredibly high compared to how it has been thousands upon thousands of years, and now it's raising even higher. Absolutely phenomenal. I love that phrase, "Let go of the lesser in order to receive the greater."

[01:21:31] Speaker 12: Mm-hmm.

[01:21:31] Speaker 11: Absolutely beautiful. You could apply that to a million things in your outer life, but then it also applies to how we feel about money. Literally, what goes on in the body and the emotions. Say, right now, if you image someone giving you $100,000, does the body tighten up a little defensively, or are you breathing easy, you're open, you're rejoicing? And even for somebody who's very, really wealthy, doing amazingly well financially, there might still be some blockages. They can receive this and this, but not all this over here. The same goes then looking in the other side. Sometimes I think we're more comfortable with debt than with having a lot of money coming in. Now, if somebody feels really trapped in lack or debt, low income, or just maybe they've had... They're not living the high life, maybe they just had medical expenses, I know what that's like, that insurance didn't cover.

[01:22:26] Speaker 11: So if they feel trapped in that debt, Mother Mary tells us, well, for one thing, she says, "Money struggles are ma- rarely about money," so that makes me think debt is rarely about money. (laughs) So how- how are you seeing that, having worked with her? How are you viewing that, Jennifer?

[01:22:43] Speaker 12: Oh, wow. You know, Mother Mary keeps going back to the basics of, okay, we are the choosers. I have to just... I'll- I'll give you the briefest story I can about what happened to me last year. I realized that this debt had kind of accumulated by my taking courses that I wanted to take or marketing classes or... And it'd just been sitting back there, like, you know, "Oh, it's back there. It's sitting there. I don't really pay attention to it."

[01:23:11] Speaker 11: Yeah.

[01:23:11] Speaker 12: But one day, I woke up and said... And I had to ask forgiveness from my husband because most of it was business debt, and I realized huge desire. So this is what Mother Mary says about these huge desires. They are divine.

[01:23:26] Speaker 11: Mm-hmm.

[01:23:26] Speaker 12: They are absolutely divine directive. And so I had this huge desire to come out of debt. And I set, uh, a huge... Which Saint Germain calls it an intense expectation. To me that's way... It has more weight to it than just an intention. An intense expectation must manifest. It is the way that we create. So I did. I set an intense expectation. I said, "I want to be debt-free by the end of the summer," and it happened. It happened in ways that I cannot tell you, but I took it through a whole practice of the seven steps of precipitation, which were given to us by the mighty Elohim.

[01:24:07] Speaker 11: Mm-hmm.

[01:24:07] Speaker 12: So my work with Mother Mary has come with a foundation of all this study that I've done with Saint Germain's, um, discourses and the Bridge to Freedom work, and the mighty Elohim built this solar system from a divine idea. They never changed the divine idea. They just got to work on it. They had, from Helios and Vesta, Helios and Vesta are beautiful godparents from our soul, our sun, said, "We want to create a- a- a solar system," and Hercules, from the first ray, said, asked everyone else and they said, "Yes, we will." So each ray, seven rays, they each have an intention in creation. And so on that foundation, you know, Mother Mary helped me just get very clear that this is what I wanted, and so I just took it through these seven steps every day. I got to the place... Because the very first step is choice. I will to... I will to do, I will to be, I will to become that which got intense. But after you have an intense expectation, an intense desire, guess what the second step is.

[01:25:11] Speaker 12: Surrender. (laughs)

[01:25:14] Speaker 11: (laughs)

[01:25:14] Speaker 12: Complete surrender to divine intelligence, the perception within you that knows how to get there. So you don't go write the list. You don't go, like, down, down this, "I gotta do this, I gotta do that." You surrender into deep listening and then you have to love your desire. That's a third step is loving your desire. I won't take you through all the steps, but we received an inten- a huge gift of money.

[01:25:39] Speaker 11: Mm-hmm.

[01:25:39] Speaker 12: Now that was something.... that at first I was like, "Oh, oh, can we receive this? Oh, oh, oh, can we do this," you know?

[01:25:47] Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah.

[01:25:47] Speaker 12: And then the person giving it to me reminded me of a fairly simple... I've written a song about it, actually. Divine love expressing through me blesses and multiplies all that I am, all that I have, all that I give, and all that I receive. And as soon as I said that, the whole thing just dissolved because really there's only one source for all of this to come from. And I, if I keep clear about that, and this is some- just so basic and so simple for all of us to understand, that there is really only one s- one source, and that is the-

[01:26:23] Speaker 11: Wow.

[01:26:23] Speaker 12: ... the source and the resource of all life, which comes through you th- through your own beloved I- I am presence.

[01:26:29] Speaker 11: Yeah.

[01:26:29] Speaker 12: And it's so simple. It's so simple that we think we have to do all this work out here in the world in order to create. But I was able to get a, to a place to really receive that.

[01:26:42] Speaker 11: Mm-hmm.

[01:26:42] Speaker 12: And I, I'm still working on just being receptive to the God's supply of all that is good, because it's a gift to us. It doesn't fail. It doesn't fail. But why am I limiting it? That's usually what I'm asking, you know? Where am I limiting it?

[01:26:58] Speaker 11: Beautiful. Now, when you talk about the steps or the principles of precipitation, that is actually manifestation that you're talking about.

[01:27:06] Speaker 12: Mm-hmm.

[01:27:06] Speaker 11: Isn't that right?

[01:27:07] Speaker 12: That's right. Mm-hmm.

[01:27:07] Speaker 11: Now, is that in your writing anywhere? I didn't notice if it was in this book or another one.

[01:27:12] Speaker 12: You know, Opulence Infusion: New Faith Currency is the first of a trilogy. The other two books are ready to come out. So the Mighty Elohim are much more present in there. There is a book called The Mighty Elohim Speak, and in that book, it takes you through each step of that precipitation process.

[01:27:31] Speaker 11: Wonderful.

[01:27:31] Speaker 12: You know, and it, it's really just a simple, you... I'm gonna just say that you have a crown of manifestation on your forehead.

[01:27:39] Speaker 11: Uh-huh.

[01:27:40] Speaker 12: Just like you have the threefold flame within your heart, and it's, it's stamped by the mighty Elohim. We are a replica, this is our replication of that beautiful system of how to create, and that's what we've gotta get now, because we're creating a new world. We got to.

[01:27:55] Speaker 11: So everybody has that. They're born with it, you're saying.

[01:27:58] Speaker 12: Everybody, every human.

[01:27:59] Speaker 11: They're p- Now, the Elohim, they are cr- how do you see them as being like very powerful angels, creators, god- goddesses? How do you view them?

[01:28:08] Speaker 12: They are... You could call them gods, but they are part of the elemental kingdom. So this is the three, the three branches is the elemental nature kingdom, or the builders of form. Mental, they t- they are the mental part of a creation. And then the nature kingdom, uh, an- and that is the nature kingdom. Then there's the angelics, and then there's the humans, which we become, we're becoming ascended masters.

[01:28:32] Speaker 12: So the ascended masters, the angelics, and the mighty Elohim, the overlighting devas, the elementals-

[01:28:38] Speaker 11: Mm-hmm.

[01:28:38] Speaker 12: ... the beautiful electrons, which are the tiny speck of divinity within each every, ev- ev- I mean, there's zillions within every little atom within us. So they're just, they're all just kind of waiting for us to li- wake up to the light and help us create health and harmony and b- abundance.

[01:28:55] Speaker 11: Wonderful. So this book, I'll just explain to everybody, this book has day one through 21 of practices. In each chapter, they're short, they're easy-going, they're very easy to absorb. It's nothing too sort of highfalutin. It's not too abstract, it's not too woo or abstract. And it's full of Mother Mary's phenomenal presence. And you know, in the Catholic Church, the, uh, tradition is to call her the Queen of Heaven, which I always really loved. And I felt when I was, uh, very small, I f- kind of knew intuitively when people talked about the Holy Spirit, they were talking about the divine feminine, and I'm feeling like Mother Mary and Kuan Yin, and you mentioned them as being i- in perfect unity. I feel like they're kind of iterations of the same powerful soul.

[01:29:43] Speaker 12: Mm-hmm.

[01:29:43] Speaker 11: I don't know if you see it that way, but that's just how I see it, because they're both healers, they both bring a lot of peace, and they're both very... They're giving, but they, they show us a safe kind of giving, which isn't overgiving. It's balanced. So you've got these, first of all, the, the 21 days, and then I guess there's 21 lessons. What was your favorite daily practice out of the, the day one through 21? Is there one that really stands out for you?

[01:30:10] Speaker 12: Yes, th- there is. Let me, let me just tell you. This is really the first two books that I wrote combined in this.

[01:30:17] Speaker 11: Mm-hmm.

[01:30:17] Speaker 12: Because I went to a Hay House boot camp, and I found out that my books were really pamphlets, and they said, "Put two of them together." So the first one was 21 Days to Abundance Through the Immaculate Heart of Mother Mary. That one really needs to be done one day after the other, but given enough time and space around it so you can come into the intimacy of Mother Mary's heart. So you can really absorb what she is bringing to you. Uh, so it's not a quick read. These, uh, like you said, these usually are just a page long or maybe a page and a half. They're not long, but to really grab what is being taught and what is being transmitted to you, it's important to go slowly. The second book, the sec- second book was created after the first one in s- much the same way. It was a class that came for 21 days. It's called How to Create 21 Lessons to Activate Your Magnificence So You Can Stop Pretending You're Not Powerful.

[01:31:14] Speaker 11: (laughs) I love that phrase. That's so great.

[01:31:16] Speaker 12: And that one, that one is really more about creation.

[01:31:20] Speaker 11: Mm-hmm.

[01:31:20] Speaker 12: How to take a desire and create it. And I, I suggest for that one, because they are th- in lessons, that it's done really on your time schedule, but stick with it. I mean, read it, and if you haven't absorbed it yet, read it again.

[01:31:34] Speaker 11: Mm-hmm.

[01:31:34] Speaker 12: And then when you're ready, move on. And then after you've done the whole book, I suggest you just use it as a f- divining tool and just see where you need to open up.... at that time. But the 21, um, days, he said, "The second day to me was the most profound because it really-"

[01:31:49] Speaker 11: Mm-hmm.

[01:31:49] Speaker 12: "... gives you that simple technique of grafting your heart to Mother Mary's heart and coming into this divine union, which is a vortex, but it's gonna be life-changing for you."

[01:31:59] Speaker 11: Mm-hmm. So we're really melding our heart into hers. We're really joining so that everything that's so special and empowering about Mother Mary's presence then comes into us as a beautiful gift, which I just love, absolutely love. And she also talks, in day 11, she says, "As you build the momentum of the violet flame into the vortex of our hearts, with all your activity around money, don't hesitate to bring in the burden of your debt. And there's more debt in your world than money." That's true. Absolutely.

[01:32:30] Speaker 12: Mm-hmm.

[01:32:30] Speaker 11: And she says, "It doesn't matter how much debt you have right now. What matters is how you think and feel about it." And you're taking your power back from that, from that system that kind of puts us into freeze. It kind of puts us into this strange kind of numbness that a lot of people don't even want to look at their spreadsheets or what- how- wherever they keep their transactions. Some people don't even keep track of them. One of my brothers, he's a loan officer at a credit union, and they'll be looking to help him with financing for a car. They'll be looking at his, uh, the person's expenses and, you know, seeing their income, and they'll say, "Well, you had $1,600 here, where did that money go?" And they'll say, "I don't know." I mean, (laughs) it's really kind of awful. It's so sad. And I'm not keeping track of every cent on my spreadsheet, but meanwhile, that doesn't necessarily liberate you to feel good about money or how you handle money. It can be a help.

[01:33:25] Speaker 12: Mm-hmm.

[01:33:26] Speaker 11: But it, it just being assiduous in paying attention to your finances and saving here and investing here doesn't mean you're not still, on some level, holding your breath with no small amount of anxiety. And this is great what you say about to love your debt. That was the... I think you said that was your second step in coming to a place where you could really dissolve it. And Mother Mary is saying, "Allow yourself to feel into your debt. Get inside the very essence of it. What does it feel like and look like? Just allow it to be what it is. And now take dominion of it with your decision of what you'd like it to be. Lighten it up, see it dissolving in the violet flame." I use the violet flame constantly 'cause I think Saint Germain is just so cool and amazing. But she also says, "Ask the angels of abundance to help you dissolve the burden of it in your life, and do this as often as needed until the hold your debt has over you is released. Let this be as easy as washing the dishes.

[01:34:26] Speaker 11: Be open and ready to listen to any guidance you'll be receiving regarding what is yours to do about your debt." And this is so beautiful. Particularly when she says, "Ask the angels of abundance to help you dissolve the burden of it in your life." So that's not only dissolving debt, which is wonderful, but dissolving all the heaviness we carry about it, which is part of the heaviness we feel about money. And again, going back to that, "Uh-oh, do I deserve to receive," kind of a thing. The angels of abundance, that is so cool to me that you work with them so beautiful, and he's got this Angels of Abundance Ascension Academy, and you've had that for a number of years now. And I really love the morning light meditations. Zillions of people love them. Friend of mine said, "You know, you can call in angels for, uh, specifically for any one thing. There are angels who help if you're a gardener, they'll help your garden.

[01:35:15] Speaker 11: There are angels who help if you've got numbness in your right hand, they help with that. There are angels with, uh, who, if you're redoing your home or you don't know what job to go to, call in those angels specifically who address that." And I don't think most people understand that there are angels who specifically address abundance. And have you had moments where you really feel their presence and really connect with them?

[01:35:39] Speaker 12: I have to tell you that they are not separate from Mother Mary, in my mind.

[01:35:43] Speaker 11: Okay. Okay.

[01:35:43] Speaker 12: Okay? Whenever I call in Mother Mary, I, I feel her, I sense her, and sometimes I see her coming on this beautiful cloud of, of the emerald green with turquoise and gold, and behind her is this beautiful halo of gold, which are the angels of abundance. They come with her everywhere she goes. And yet, I have my own team of angels of abundance, and they do specifically work on abundance. They're from the tenth sphere of abundance, which is infinite abundance, eternal peace, and the God supply of all that is good. There's actually a dimension that is abundance, and that's what it is, and that's where they are from. And they are so available to us.

[01:36:24] Speaker 11: Mm-hmm.

[01:36:25] Speaker 12: And I like to also call in the unemployed angels, or the unassigned angels, we could say, which are angels that are in training, because as they, as a, as a young angel, you want somebody to call on you to do something. That's how you grow. They, angels grow by our requests, by our calls, our prayers. They are there. So whenever you have something that you're working on and you don't know who to call, just call on the unassigned angels. They're gonna come in and help you. I love to call on them when I'm moving or doing some detailed work that's not that much fun for me (laughs) .

[01:37:00] Speaker 11: Okay.

[01:37:01] Speaker 12: "Come on, help..." You know, and it's, it's truly f- it's just fun, and it's also very effective.

[01:37:07] Speaker 11: Yeah. Beautiful. Oh, I love that to bits. Now, we just wanna cover one more thing before we close, that I'm noticing lesson 12, and this is the second half of the book. There's these two books that you joined together, which is a great idea. Rewriting the agreement-

[01:37:23] Speaker 12: Mm-hmm.

[01:37:23] Speaker 11: ... is what this is called. And you're saying, "Mother Mary and I thought it'd be helpful for you to see the dialogue between us and rewriting w-" I guess it was your agreement. So when you went through the inquiry, "What is my wealth agreement?" you heard clearly that you had not written any agreement with money.... into your life charge and Mother Mary just said, "Don't judge yourself for that." I- I know I did this really dumb thing where I said, "I'll just create what I need in the moment." Mind-blowing. I won't have a lot sitting in a bank account, 300,000 sitting in a bank account. I'll ch- create what I need in the moment and if I wanna get bigger than that, I'll do that. But I've had to rewrite that, absolutely. I've had to rework that. So how, can you take us through, how do we do this? Do we go into... Well, you've got a whole beautiful dialogue between you and Mother Mary that you're saying, "I'm grateful for your presence in my life. Thank you for everything you're doing.

[01:38:15] Speaker 11: S- please speak into what is going on with me right now. What do I need to know?" And Mar- Mother Mary says, "Sit down, Jennifer, and listen to me." (laughs) She says, "The rollercoaster, the rollercoaster you're on now is part of your ascension. Everything you think you know is coming up to be reevaluated and purged. Everything you've been teaching about abundance is in question." You said, "I know. I feel that." And she said, "It's time for you now to own it for yourself." So I really encourage people to look at this Lesson 12 where Jennifer is really bearing down on this issue, really unafraid. I think a lot of us feel very tentative. Almost like we're bothering the angels or we're doing something that's not connected to actually shifting our consciousness to where we can accept more money and, and abundance in many, many forms. You know, it could be a hug from a friend. It could be a beautiful flower somewhere.

[01:39:07] Speaker 11: Doesn't have to be money, but it, people are really frightened right now, I feel, at, with this economy and a lot of unrest in the world. And meanwhile, powerful light coming in and shifting us on a cellular level and every conceivable level. So she asked you, "What is your new agreement with wealth and abundance?" And you said t- "I will be the opulent precipitating presence now. I will create golden coins easily until we don't need them anymore. I will be a master of financial freedom." Now, that's beautiful.

[01:39:41] Speaker 11: Did you actually believe it when you said that or did you feel like that wou-

[01:39:44] Speaker 12: A apparent- uh, apparently not because she said immediately, "I don't, I don't believe you." You know? Keep going.

[01:39:49] Speaker 11: Yeah 'cause- (laughs)

[01:39:50] Speaker 12: Yeah, 'cause it was like, "Oh, I'll just pick some words," right? These sound really good.

[01:39:53] Speaker 11: Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

[01:39:54] Speaker 12: Yeah, I... And, and, you know, also during that session, which was really profound for me 'cause I am a recovering codependent-

[01:40:01] Speaker 11: Mm.

[01:40:01] Speaker 12: ... she said, "You cannot use my agreement anymore," 'cause when I first heard what my agreement is, I was just in shock.

[01:40:07] Speaker 11: Yeah.

[01:40:07] Speaker 12: And I had to go into self-forgiveness because I had no idea what it was gonna be like here. And she s- and I said, "Can I borrow your agreement, your blueprint?" And she said, "Yeah, you can." And then when the whole dark night of the soul came, she was really trying to get my attention on a deeper level that it was time for me to really get serious about this and take it ownership, and there's no codependency in heaven. There's no codependency in these relationships. I mean, if you wanna work with some high light beings like you, Caroline, you have to keep your energy and your light at a certain level to continue to work with them.

[01:40:43] Speaker 11: Yeah. Hear that.

[01:40:43] Speaker 12: I don't think many people really understand that. But they, you know, the, the, our partners, our partners, our galactic partners want so much to assist us, but we have to do our part of lifting our vibration up to a certain point. And it has to be our vibration, you know? I, I c- I step into this divine union with Mother Mary and I'm so grateful that I can do this because then I get to s- use all of her consciousness, her ancient wisdom. You know, that is, I, that is, I mean, you know, you do that with the collective and it's such a privilege to do that. But now I've learned that after those sessions, I have to take my heart back from her heart. Okay?

[01:41:24] Speaker 11: Mm.

[01:41:24] Speaker 12: I have to step back into my own sovereignty. It's just inappropriate for me to, to try to hang on to something that's not me.

[01:41:30] Speaker 11: Yeah.

[01:41:30] Speaker 12: Because I was created to do it myself, just as you are. I'm gonna say that to everybody. You are created to do it yourself. And you can, and I know you can, and I hope you make it because you have everything you need. It doesn't have anything to do with anything outside of yourself, but you have this beautiful connection of the beautiful I AM presence right here.

[01:41:50] Speaker 11: Mm.

[01:41:50] Speaker 12: That is really the all. That is, to me, ascension. When you become y- one with this beautiful presence that is your God self because you are becoming a God goddess. You know, you are becoming that which you were created to be, in the image and likeness of.

[01:42:07] Speaker 11: Yeah. We are divine love itself and divine love lacks for nothing. And what's beautiful about realizing it's our consciousness that determines our, our inner and outer life is that we stop blaming everything around us for not making us happy or letting us down in some way. We're just tossing out all that nonsense about feeling like, um, either a victim or somebody who may have had some co-creative power, but they've forgotten it. We're just releasing all of that. Things don't just happen to us, they happen for us so we can grow taller. And I think you've used these dark nights of the soul and these sort of crisis moments where you're a divorced single mom with a little baby and bought that one pot from the thrift store. You've used this so, so beautifully, all of that to move forward. And so thank you so much, Jennifer, for being here today and for being a part of this new wave of consciousness on the planet that says, "Well, you're not just here to struggle.

[01:43:08] Speaker 11: You're really here to flow, be in the higher flow of the current in the middle of the stream, not, not clinging to the, the banks (laughs) of the stream." And, um, absolutely beautiful. There's a lot of joy in that, just like there's a lot of joy in your music, which I greatly appreciate.

[01:43:24] Speaker 12: Thank you.

[01:43:24] Speaker 11: And your husband's Michael Gail who's a producer and, and guitarist and, uh, he's a, he's a really amazing person as well. So again, everybody, JenniferRuthRussell.com or Angelsofabundanceascensionacademy.com. Jennifer has a YouTube channel which is just Jennifer Ruth Russell and jennifer.russell.7758 on Facebook, Jennifer Ruth Russell on Instagram. And when people go to jenniferruthrussell.com, can they book a private session with you as well as look into groups?

[01:44:01] Speaker 12: Absolutely, they can.

[01:44:02] Speaker 2: So-

[01:44:02] Speaker 12: And I- I just wanna say thank you. And I- I wanna also say, yeah, Abundance for All by Caroline Oceana Ryan changed my life, and it- it still is, I think, so relevant. Because what that book did for me, was it really showed me how false our system is.

[01:44:21] Speaker 2: Yeah. Mm-hmm.

[01:44:22] Speaker 12: And how much we've- we've just believed it hook, line, and sinker when we don't have to. Thank you, Mother.

[01:44:27] Speaker 2: Yeah. Thank you so much, Jennifer.

[01:44:28] Speaker 12: Thank you.

[01:44:28] Speaker 2: Huge blessings.

[01:44:30] Speaker 12: Thank you.

[01:44:30] Speaker 2: Thanks for listening, everyone. Much love. Well, thank you, Padmé, for letting me, um, share that interview with everyone. Uh, and thank you, Rama and everybody. And I hope everyone felt blessed by how beautiful Jennifer's spirit is. And that book, Create Abundance with Mother Mary, is amazing. Highly recommend.

[01:44:52] Speaker 4: Beautiful.

[01:44:53] Speaker 2: Go ahead, Padmé. (laughs)

[01:44:55] Speaker 13: Oh, that was just beautiful. There's a lot of, uh, the wonderful blend of- of, you know, just manifesting in the 3D, and it is trusting your inner self that creates that. And connecting on that level. And- and, yeah, you really, you know, that co-dependence thing, it's, you have to really get to yourself, to your own point where you, you know, you're in alignment because there's only so much, uh, housecleaning other healers can do for you, or, uh, they're not drowning- we- they're- you're not drowning them, et cetera, et cetera. So, that was just beautiful. Um, thank you so kindly.

[01:45:34] Speaker 2: Absolutely.

[01:45:35] Speaker 13: Uh, yeah. (laughs) Uh, Patsy and I, um ... One of my cats is- is sort of acting out because the other one is sick, so I was distracted briefly. My apologies. But I was listening. Um, so...

[01:45:49] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[01:45:49] Speaker 13: Uh, Rami, please feel free to say, and, um, uh, uh, yeah. And I'll just say, TJ, I'll take us out when it's time. Um, but Rama, please feel free to add, uh ... Oh, sorry. BBS, sorry. And, uh-

[01:46:04] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[01:46:04] Speaker 13: ... uh, the song says it all about where we're at, so thank you. I'll just mute out. Rama, go ahead and sorry, Penny, about no airtime, and we'll see Penny and Rama at Rainbird next week. But Rama, I'm sorry to talk over you. Here you go. Have the mic, please.

[01:46:19] Speaker 4: Thank you, T- uh, BBS Radio is gonna play the music. Thank you. Um-

[01:46:27] Speaker 2: For What It's Worth.

[01:46:29] Speaker 4: Yeah.

[01:46:29] Speaker 2: Can you see? Yeah, Reba's in the chat there, Rama.

[01:46:32] Speaker 4: Tonight's music is Buffalo Springfield, For What It's Worth. This song was written solely by Stephen Stills. The publishing copyright is held by Warner-Tamerlane Publishing Corporation. I saw Buffalo Springfield sing this live back in the day in, you know, the, um, late '60s. And, um, I wish they were still here.

[01:47:05] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[01:47:05] Speaker 4: Blaze a violet fire. Thank you.

[01:47:07] Speaker 2: Much love, everyone.

[01:47:09] Speaker 14: Hey, hey, hey, hey. Hey, hey, hey, hey. Hey, hey, hey, hey. Hey, hey, hey, hey. In the body and truth, in the body and truth. Hey, hey, hey, hey. Hey, hey, hey, hey. Hey, hey, hey, hey. Hey, hey, hey, hey. In the body and truth, in the body and truth. Hey, hey, hey. Panthers unite.

[01:47:33] Speaker 13: Hey- The breath and the bone Hey

[01:47:36] Speaker 4: Not standing above. But no longer below.

[01:47:40] Speaker 13: Hey. We are the frequency. Breaking the night. Not through resistance. But absolute sight. Panthers unite. Every step is aligned. Body and spirit and truth intertwined. Nothing to prove. And nothing to fight. Awaken together. Panthers unite. Still. Away, away, away. Away, away, away. Away, away, away, away, away, away, away, away, away