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Speaker 1 – Chip DeBlock / Host
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Speaker 2 – Scott Stier / Guest Panelist
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Speaker 1 – Chip DeBlock / Host:
Welcome to LEO Round Table and LEORoundTable.com. My name is Chip DeBlock, and I’m your host. We’re a group of law-enforcement professionals who talk about today’s news and issues, but we do it from a law-enforcement perspective.

Let me introduce Scott Stier to you. He’s our resident—I have to say, and I don’t use the word often—badass. He’s a former Green Beret and Special Forces operator. He worked for a little outfit called Delta Force. When we were talking about Venezuela, Scott was breaking it down on the show. It was fantastic. So thanks so much for being back on the show, Scott. I appreciate it.

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Here’s what we’re going to be talking about today. Scott, we can take any of these stories out of order that you want to. I’m just going to start off with the two main stories right now.

I didn’t really see this all over the news, maybe because we’ve got some other stuff that has taken over the media right now. We have 10 dead in Canada’s deadliest school shooting in nearly 40 years. So if you haven’t heard about that, we’re going to cover that.

We’ve got an IRS scandal, which will get everybody upset. There are 150,000 federal workers skipping taxes while you’re paying the bill.

We have an investigation of an incident involving a Norristown police officer, and it ends with the officer getting charged. It involves a naked guy. The naked dude was not the officer.

Then we have Houston police releasing body cam of an officer shooting a suspect with a felony warrant during a struggle. Again, a little reminder on the verbiage you use when you’re putting handcuffs on a bad guy: don’t give them too much information, or else you’re going to have a fight on your hands.

We’ve got Miami officers barely shooting an armed suspect near Miami Edison Senior High School. That was kind of scary. The female detective obviously didn’t want to have to shoot this guy, and it was really interesting watching her reaction afterwards.

Then we have ICE shooting out the tires of a vehicle that tried to run over yet another officer. This one was in New Jersey.

We’ve got a suspect barely shot by college police officers when he charges them with a machete. That was a little domestic violence situation.

Then we have drone technology, Scott. It is amazing what they can do. It actually helped the Stoughton Police Department catch a serial defecator using the park as a public bathroom.

Yeah, I hope we get a chance to talk about that one.

A video shows a fallen police officer barely shooting a knife-wielding suspect after two people had already been stabbed. So, yeah, we’ve got a lot going on.

If you’re ready, are we going with the two main stories back to back, starting off with Canada?

Speaker 2 – Scott Stier:
Sure.

Speaker 1 – Chip DeBlock / Host:
All right. This is from RVMNews.com, which stands for Red Voice Media: 10 dead in Canada’s deadliest school shooting in nearly 40 years.

In case anybody has not heard about this, at Tumbler Ridge Secondary School in northeastern British Columbia, students had to barricade themselves inside classrooms for more than two hours on Tuesday during a shooting that left 10 people dead and 25 injured. Authorities are describing it as Canada’s deadliest school shooting in nearly four decades, according to the article.

The violence unfolded Tuesday afternoon at the high school in Tumbler Ridge, a remote community of about 2,400 residents. About 160 students between the ages of 12 and 18 attend the school. I guess the 18-year-olds are kind of like, “You’re going to make it, man. You’re going to make it this year.” Anyhow, that’s the information they had on the website.

There’s not a lot of information about this, but British Columbia Premier David Eby said police arrived at the school within two minutes of getting the emergency call. They reported that six people, including the suspected shooter, were found dead inside the school. Two additional victims were found dead at a residence that investigators believe is connected to the attack. So it’s kind of making it sound like the shooter, who is a female, did some action at the house before she went to the school and shot more people.

It says another person died while being transported to the hospital. In total, 10 people were killed and 25 injured. They have not released many details about the suspect. They stated the shooter was a female and that she was wearing a dress. The suspect died from a self-inflicted gunshot wound, which is unusual, I might add, for a female. The dudes do that, but not so much the chicks.

The attack marks Canada’s deadliest school shooting in 37 years. In 1989, they had 14 students killed at a school in Montreal. It is also the deadliest mass shooting in Canada since 2020, when a gunman killed 13 people in Nova Scotia and set fires that claimed 10 additional lives.

So you don’t think about Canada when you think about mass shootings, but here you go. Scott Stier?

Speaker 2 – Scott Stier:
When I heard about this, what was kind of making news, other than the fact that it’s extremely tragic, was that they also said it was a trans person.

Speaker 1 – Chip DeBlock / Host:
I have not heard that. In fact, the first I heard about this was on Red Voice Media. All the other news sources that I scanned for stories—nobody had it.

Speaker 2 – Scott Stier:
Interesting. I saw a picture, and again, I’m not sure how reliable the source was, but it’s been going around. There was a picture of the supposed shooter, and it looked female in the picture, but you could clearly see that it didn’t really look female. It looked like a guy with a wig on and a scruffy beard, almost like a five-o’clock shadow or something.

Anyhow, it’s very interesting. It just goes to show, and I was thinking about this, it doesn’t matter where you go in this world. There are crazy people everywhere. It’s just the human nature side of things. It’s unfortunate.

In a small town, where you think everybody knows everybody, it’s strange when you hear about things like that. It would be interesting to know what the motivation was, but we probably won’t ever know unless there’s a note left over or something like that.

It would be interesting if it is a trans person. If you start looking at the amount of mass shootings, and then you look at how many are trans, and there are not a whole lot of trans people in relation to non-trans people in the world, especially in the U.S. or Canada, what is the percentage? It seems like the ratio is a little bit off. So there might be something there, is what I’m trying to say.

Speaker 1 – Chip DeBlock / Host:
The first thought I had was whether there was a possibility this might be a trans person, because it’s just so prevalent right now in school shootings. I know we’re talking about Canada, so it would make sense.

And look, before people react, realistically, these are people that we’re not saying all trans people are—I mean, obviously there’s an issue with trans and the fact that I’ve read that there is a lot of mental illness associated with people who are making that decision. But again, you’ve got babies that are born with multiple sexual organs from both sides. There are calls that have to be made by a doctor. As rare as that is, there are still exceptions to almost everything.

I say that to say this: President Trump just came out publicly and said that he wants what he called, I think I read, insane asylums, but he’s really talking about mental health facilities. So maybe they got that wrong, but it doesn’t matter. When I grew up in the eighties and started my law-enforcement career in 1983, all through the eighties people were getting a lot of help that they needed because there are people with some mental health issues.

There are people that we all know who take the happy pill. I actually know some people, and you would never suspect it. There are people with issues. Some get it dialed in through medication. Sometimes that’s a temporary thing, and then they get off the medication. People who are bipolar, oh my gosh, that’s an ongoing problem because the medication makes you feel so good. If you get it dialed in, you feel so good that you think, “I don’t need the medication anymore.” You stop taking it, and guess what? Then you start turning into Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde again.

I want to see these people who are shooters get mental health help. It’s sad because I feel like we have failed them as a country, and I know we’re talking about Canada, so I’ll throw Canada in there too. They have been failed because they can’t get the mental health help that they need and that they used to be able to get. Trump, at least it seems like he’s making an effort to bring that back in the United States, which I applaud. He’s been around for 10 years now, and for 10 years we’ve been talking about the absence of mental health facilities and how they still exist, but now instead of getting help, we institutionalize them, and that’s called prison.

We put them in jails. They get no help, and it just makes matters worse because now they get out on the street and it’s just that cycle. So I’m happy we’re bringing that back.

Speaker 2 – Scott Stier:
I am too. We have to have a resource. We have to have something available to us as a society to take these people and put them in there.

I think the reason why they were taken away is because maybe the courts deemed it unconstitutional. Maybe these people were in there for longer and held against their will. I don’t know the whole thing.

But if we do this, and I hope we do, the biggest thing is there just needs to be some serious oversight. A lot of times when I was training, we would use these abandoned former psychiatric facilities, especially in the Northeast, Pennsylvania, and Jersey. They were all over the place, and they’re great training because they’re like two-, three-, or four-story buildings all over the place. It’s like a campus, and they’re great to train in.

Speaker 1 – Chip DeBlock / Host:
Oh, I hate to let you out, Scott. All right, we’ve got our first commercial break, but we’ll be right back. Here we go.

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Speaker 1 – Chip DeBlock / Host:
Welcome back to LEO Round Table at LEORoundTable.com, the law-enforcement talk show. My name is Chip DeBlock, and I’m your host. We’re joined by Special Forces veteran Scott Stier. He brings a unique perspective to the show.

We discussed the mass shooting in Canada at a school, but during the break we were talking, and we did a Galls ad spot. We were talking about how Galls pretty much has everything but guns and ammo. I found out that Scott, with a Special Forces background, is a big fan of go bags. I was talking about how I have a bunch of different go bags: one for swimming, one for my PI thing, one for my shooting thing. When I was an active cop, I had a go bag that I carried with me every day: 150 rounds of ammo, a ski mask, my police radio, an extra battery, everything.

So, Scott, you were just talking about Somalia?

Speaker 2 – Scott Stier:
I wasn’t there, but when I started all my Special Forces training, one of the big takeaways from Black Hawk Down in Somalia was that at that time they didn’t have these bags. Basically, if you were in a sustained firefight and it was really bad, and you were running out of ammo, low on med supplies, ammo, water, batteries, or whatever it was, there wouldn’t be a resupply.

When the firefight went on for hours and into the night, people were out of ammunition. What they would do later was have these bags, and the choppers would come in. They’d put a chem light on it, an IR-style one, so you could see it with night vision. They’d drop it. You’d run out and grab it. Now you’d have loaded mags already loaded up and everything, so you could grab these bags and continue to fight.

That became a big thing in our training. It was part of the checklist. Make sure you had the go bags. Somebody had to be in charge of that. Whenever you did a mission, you had these things. They were kept in our vehicles overseas. They were already loaded with magazines, frag grenades, med supplies, all already in a bag. It had taped-up IR chem lights on it. If there was ever a situation where we were in a bad spot, they could come by, drop it off, we could grab it, and we could continue to fight.

A go bag is something that I’ve always loved, the idea of it. As a civilian, especially in Florida with hurricanes, if there’s a reason you need to get out of your house for a while, for a day or two, you have everything in that bag that can help support that. If you have to leave in a hurry, put it in your car and go.

So it’s a great idea. To your point, I have a gym bag. I like to put everything in there, and I don’t want to have to look around and find things just to go to the gym. I pick it up and go. If I go to the range, of course I have my range bag. I have a go bag in case of an emergency.

Speaker 1 – Chip DeBlock / Host:
Out of curiosity, when they did those drops, did they always build out the bags the same way? In other words, was the ammo and everything arranged the same way so you didn’t have to hunt for stuff? Did they have a frag grenade clipped on the outside or something, or not necessarily?

Speaker 2 – Scott Stier:
No, it wasn’t in a specific spot in the bag because the bags are not the biggest bags, but you can put a lot of stuff in there. There is a requirement of what’s in it, so you can expect that the bag is going to have X, Y, and Z in it. But as far as location in the bag, no, it doesn’t really have a location.

Speaker 1 – Chip DeBlock / Host:
Nice. It’s nice that there’s a civilian application that’s realistic and good for go bags too. I brought up that if you’re a swimmer, my go bag is one of those little backpacks. It’s small, but it’s a go bag, and that’s what I use it for. So yeah, I love it. Good conversation.

If you’re ready, Scott, we’ve got our second main topic coming up here, and this is about the IRS. There’s going to be some blood pressure going up on this one. RVMNews.com again, Red Voice Media, and that’s where we got our first two main stories from today.

IRS scandal erupts: 150,000 federal workers skip taxes while you pay the bill.

It has always bothered me. We’ve always heard that around 10% of the people pay taxes and 90% don’t. I don’t know how accurate that figure is, but I’ll tell you one thing. Hillary Vaughn is a reporter who reported that more than 100,000 federal workers, including thousands employed by the IRS, owe significant unpaid taxes despite the agency’s authority to enforce compliance among its own staff.

That bothers every red-blooded American who is paying their taxes. The Internal Revenue Service announced that on January 26, that will be the start of the filing season, and several new tax-law provisions of the One Big Beautiful Bill Act become effective on the 2025 tax returns. Taxpayers have until Wednesday, April 15, to file their 2025 tax returns.

Most Americans have to write a big fat check to the government today. They pay their taxes. But over 100,000 federal workers are not paying their taxes. In 2021, the IRS found that almost 150,000 federal workers owed about $1.5 billion in unpaid taxes. More than 5,000 of those employees work at the IRS. Over 5,000 of them work at the IRS, and they owe $50 million in overdue taxes.

Even though the IRS can actually fire workers who are not paying their taxes, only 20 people have been terminated by the IRS, according to Vaughn. Vaughn described the limited terminations as a double standard, saying this is an issue Senator Joni Ernst is seeking to address.

This is going to make you feel better. It’s going to give you that warm feeling all over, Scott. She’s introducing several bills aimed at cleaning up the IRS, according to Vaughn. One of Ernst’s proposals will require regular reviews of IRS employees’ tax compliance. One bill will require IRS employees to be audited every year and fired if they don’t pay their taxes.

Vaughn also reported on IRS spending related to firearms and ammunition, because wasn’t that long ago we were getting word about them buying all the guns and ammo? The article says, “But while the IRS is not catching the tax cheats on their own payroll, they’re busy arming their workforce.”

You’ve got about 20 seconds, Scott, before we go to the next break.

Speaker 2 – Scott Stier:
Yeah, that’s interesting. So DOGE comes out and they find all this fraud, waste, and abuse. But now what are we going to do with it? That’s what I’m saying. Obviously, I’m as angry as everybody else, but I’d like to see something done about it. At least fire some people.

Speaker 1 – Chip DeBlock / Host:
Yeah, I agree. All right, guys, we’re up for our second commercial break. Stick with us. We’ve got some great stories coming up. We’ll be right back.

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Speaker 1 – Chip DeBlock / Host:
Welcome back to LEO Round Table at LEORoundTable.com, the law-enforcement talk show. My name is Chip DeBlock, and I’m your host. We’re joined by Special Forces former operator Scott Stier with Green Beret and Delta Force experience, and he brings a unique perspective to the show.

Scott, on our last main topic, I know we talked about the Canada school shooting and the IRS story. Any more commentary?

Speaker 2 – Scott Stier:
We’re good.

Speaker 1 – Chip DeBlock / Host:
I’m looking at the comments on Rumble. MBS is pretty much backing everything up that we’re saying. Also, Scott, he asks why you would move to the communist state of Colorado. MBS lives there and he wants to know why you would move to the communist state of Colorado. Then he says, “But Canada has gun control. How could that happen?” meaning the school shooting in Canada.

Colorado—but Scott grew up in Florida. His roots really are in Florida, but he loves the country and the wild and being able to take out coyotes with his rifle.

Speaker 2 – Scott Stier:
I’m up here because of a woman, of course. Otherwise, I would not be here. I still have my house in Cheyenne. I still go up there, and I plan on spending a lot of time there in the summer because it’s across from a state park, and it’s a great time.

One other thing, going back to the school shooting. When they were talking about the teacher and the kids in the classroom, taking all the chairs and barricading, everybody was freaking out. I put myself in that situation, and to feel that helpless would be the most disgusting feeling, because you can’t do anything.

To me, that’s the importance of having some type of lockbox in every classroom and training teachers. Granted, not every teacher is going to want to do this. Not every teacher should do this, because maybe they’re not comfortable enough handling a firearm or whatever. But at least have that option, so you’re not sitting ducks in there waiting to be massacred by a crazy person.

At least you have the ability to go in there, put in the code, get it out, take your training, and protect yourself in place. Anyhow, it’s just something that came to me. I wish there was more incentive to do that and do that on a larger scale.

Speaker 1 – Chip DeBlock / Host:
Before we go to our next story, this last story about the IRS and the 5,000 people who work for them who don’t even pay their taxes, but they have an option to fire people—any last words on that one?

Speaker 2 – Scott Stier:
Do as I say, not as I do.

Speaker 1 – Chip DeBlock / Host:
That’s really what gets us. We pay our taxes. I don’t necessarily believe in going to H&R Block. They’re not risk-takers, dude. If there’s a doubt, they’re siding with the IRS. I don’t mind pushing the limit, but I want to make sure. I’ve been audited before, and they actually paid me money, but it’s not a fun process to go through.

I don’t mind paying my fair share of taxes. We’ve got a great country and a lot of things. But I don’t like paying for illegals coming over here. I don’t like paying over $2,500 a month in healthcare for me and my wife, with no kids, because we’re also helping fund illegals and giving them free healthcare, a phone, and a credit card with an expense account. They can stay at five-star hotels.

Yeah, that bothers me because I’m paying a lot of money now, especially with healthcare and stuff, and they don’t have to. So this story about the IRS and these guys not paying taxes while I pay my fair share every year—that’s kind of aggravating, to be honest with you.

Speaker 2 – Scott Stier:
Yeah.

Speaker 1 – Chip DeBlock / Host:
I know I’m not alone.

Our next story is an update story about Montgomery County, Pennsylvania. It’s from MontgomeryCountyPA.gov: Investigation of an incident involving Norristown police officer concludes; officer charged.

I read this. I would love to find out from the officer’s own mouth why they did this, because when you hear me talk about this and the naked dude, you’re going to say, “Why would he do that?”

The incident starts when Norristown police responded at 8:04 in the morning on Wednesday, February 4, 2026, to reports of a naked dude in the middle of an intersection. Additional information provided to police was that the naked guy was screaming and damaging cars.

The first patrol car arriving on scene sees a naked guy, later identified as Justin Rich. But let’s just call him the naked guy. He approaches the police car and attempts to open the doors, but is unsuccessful.

Numerous other cops start showing up, including a patrol car driven by Sergeant D’Orzio. This is apparently the senior-ranking guy there. He stops behind a gray pickup truck that’s in the travel lane. The sergeant radios for other officers to have the gray pickup truck move out of the intersection and out of the way. Once it moves from the travel lane, the sergeant immediately accelerates his vehicle and strikes Rich, the naked guy, who goes airborne and lands several feet away in the center of the roadway.

Rich is transported to Main Line Health hospital, where he is admitted. He ends up leaving the hospital on February 6, so he was there for two days.

Per county protocol, an independent investigation is done by the Montgomery County Detective Bureau. Remember, this was a police department that did it. As part of the investigation, county detectives interviewed numerous officers and civilian witnesses, reviewed video, and reviewed the police use-of-force continuum, which is like our rules of engagement. It guides officers on using the minimum amount of force to accomplish their goals.

They’re saying that the sergeant blew it. The investigation found that Rich, or the naked guy, was standing in the intersection with his hands on his hips. He was not armed. Obviously, he’s naked and didn’t have a weapon. The sergeant accelerates and hits him with the car without even giving a verbal warning, striking him and putting him airborne.

The investigation found that there were no verbal commands, tactical coordination, consideration of hands-on tactics—although no one wanted to touch the guy, I get it—or use of less-lethal weapons against the naked guy, who at the time was committing misdemeanor offenses.

Our sergeant ends up being charged with aggravated assault, simple assault, official oppression, and recklessly endangering another person. He turned himself in to Montgomery County detectives. He was arraigned by a judge, who set bail at $100,000. His preliminary hearing will be held on February 19 at 10:30 by Judge Denise Ash.

I’m curious what will happen there. There are a few things that we never do. You never apply force without giving commands to the bad guy about what you want him to do in order to alleviate the force, and you do not fail to give him an option to comply before you hit him with a car. But then again, why take out an unarmed guy with a car? I just wonder. I would like to hear whether the sergeant thought he had a weapon or whatever. It just doesn’t make a lot of sense to me.

There are not a lot of people who want to go hands-on with a naked guy. I’m not one of them. But I’ve been in fights with naked dudes and naked chicks.

Speaker 2 – Scott Stier:
Was that on the job?

Speaker 1 – Chip DeBlock / Host:
That was on the job, correct.

It can get relatively difficult. We’re in Florida, right? So there’s a sweat factor. I’ve had a fight with a naked dude who just got out of the shower. I had a warrant, and being the rookie idiot, he wanted me to allow him to put his clothes on, which I did. That was my mistake. The fight was on. I couldn’t hold on to him. He was wet from being in the shower, and I simply couldn’t hold on to him. He had short hair, and he made it out. I was in the projects, and now I’m chasing him through the hood. He got away.

I had a big black guy, Lawrence White, with me. We couldn’t handle this dude. I’ve also had guys get sweaty in a fight, and all of a sudden you can’t grab onto them either. That’s where clothing is great, but it can tear. I’ve had the same issue with females, but there was another liquid involved when I was fighting her, and why I couldn’t grab onto her. That’s another story for another day.

So I have a lot of questions about this. But give commands to people. Go hands-on. I wouldn’t use a taser on something like this if you didn’t have to. Maybe I’d go with an impact weapon, but you have to do it. If you can’t do that, you’re not competent to do your job. You need to check out.

Speaker 2 – Scott Stier:
Again, Compliant Technologies, the glove. If that was an option, if this officer had that tool in his toolbox, he could have gone out there using the verbal commands, with the gloves on, not activated—or maybe they are activated, because it doesn’t do anything until contact is made. You can still draw your weapon if you had to.

But go up there and talk to him. The glove is going to help keep that person from resisting arrest, and it will also have that grippiness to it. If he is sweaty or wet or whatever it is, it’s going to do the job.

To me, this is another example of where the glove could be injected in there. It could save lives, keep people out of the hospital, and de-escalate the situation very quickly. It’s one of those things where, to me, it’s a no-brainer.

Speaker 1 – Chip DeBlock / Host:
You know the question everybody’s asking now, Scott. If you have a pair of the gloves on, they’re activated, and you’ve got a naked guy, where are you going to grab him?

Speaker 2 – Scott Stier:
It depends on how bad he was. There are always options. How big is this guy?

Speaker 1 – Chip DeBlock / Host:
Yeah, I’m on the bottom at some point.

Speaker 2 – Scott Stier:
The good thing is you can grab wherever you want, and it’s not going to cause lasting damage. It’ll hurt, but it won’t do lasting damage.

Speaker 1 – Chip DeBlock / Host:
All right, we’re coming up on our third commercial break, guys, in perfect segue at the end of that conversation. Stick with us. We’ll be right back.

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Speaker 1 – Chip DeBlock / Host:
Welcome back to LEO Round Table at LEORoundTable.com, the law-enforcement talk show. My name is Chip DeBlock, and I’m your host. We’re joined by former Special Forces operator Scott Stier with AeroPrecisionUSA.com. Also, he’s a big fan of the glove by Compliant Technologies.

Scott, we’ve got some videos with video components. Are you ready to cover the one in Houston?

Speaker 2 – Scott Stier:
Let’s go.

Speaker 1 – Chip DeBlock / Host:
All right. This is from Rumble.com, our favorite law-enforcement video channel. They get these things out before anybody else does.

Houston police release body cam of an officer shooting a suspect with a felony warrant during a struggle.

Speaker 6 – Body Camera / Police Video Audio:
All right, man. When I checked your information, it showed you have a warrant, so we have to verify first, okay? But I have to put you in handcuffs and put you back in my car, okay?

You’re not going to jail. You’re not going to jail.

Speaker 6 – Body Camera / Police Video Audio / Suspect:
Yeah, bro. I’m going to jail. Yeah, bro, because I know this is going to happen.

Speaker 6 – Body Camera / Police Video Audio:
Just chill, bro.

You’re going to get tased. You’re going to get tased.

Shots fired.

Get on your face. Get on your face. Put your arm behind your back.

Speaker 1 – Chip DeBlock / Host:
I mentioned it in the intro: there is an art to doing police work, and Scott knows that in the military you don’t have to tell people everything. You’re asking for trouble the first time you tell a bad guy, “Hey, I’m going to arrest you. There’s a warrant out for your arrest,” or “I’m going to arrest you for domestic violence,” or whatever it is. Then you end up getting in that life-and-death fight. You say, “That’s the last time I do that.” From then on, you say, “Hey, dude, you’re not in trouble. I’m just going to put your hands behind your back. I’m going to handcuff you for your protection. I’ll check you out, and I’ll cut you loose,” or whatever. There’s no law against lying, so there isn’t.

Houston, Texas: a routine traffic stop turns into a shooting. It didn’t have to. An officer shot a suspect with a felony warrant who was resisting arrest, according to the Houston Police Department. Being a defensive tactics instructor and knowing police tactics, there were some things I’m going to point out. Scott will probably pick up on these too because he’s been around the block and trained a lot of cops.

Police said the officer stopped the driver for a traffic violation. It’s how a lot of stuff happens. It’s 1:40 in the morning on a Sunday. At that point, officers learn the driver has an outstanding felony warrant, and they try to arrest him.

The story leaves out that they tell him they know he’s got the felony warrant and to put his hands behind his back so they can put him in handcuffs. They did say, “We’re not taking you to jail right away,” but he knows they’re arresting him, and he knows they know he’s got the felony warrant.

They could have come back and said, “The computers are down. I just have to handcuff you for protection, check you out, whatever.” But when one officer goes to put the handcuff on him, you never put a handcuff on a resisting hand until you have control. That was the second mistake, because now that guy breaks away and he’s got a weapon attached to his wrist. Whenever one of these handcuff hooks is open, I’ve seen that thing go through cheeks. If it goes through the cheek and jaw, now they can pull you, and you’re his puppet. It’s dangerous.

I suspect these guys will never do it that way again. I’m glad they survived. They tell him they know he’s got a warrant. They handcuff one hand before they have control of that hand, much less the other hand. Now the fight is on.

During the struggle, one officer used a taser on the suspect and later had to shoot him. The suspect was critically injured and taken to the hospital. Nobody else was hurt. There were two other passengers in the suspect’s vehicle at the time too, which raises concerns because all kinds of things can happen now.

I’m going to my show notes for a second. At the three-minute-and-42-second mark, the officer tells the suspect on the traffic stop that he has a warrant and they want to put him in handcuffs. The resistance starts 17 seconds later. The taser gets deployed roughly 20 seconds later. When they deploy the taser, there are two officers. One has a taser, and the other guy, who is furthest away from us with the bad guy between them, ends up having his pistol out.

From the point you hear the taser going off at 4:17, there are five seconds until shots are fired by the other officer. He fires those shots right after he yells, “Drop it.” So it’s unclear what the officer thought he had. I don’t know if he grabbed onto the taser, the gun, or whatever.

Then, if you jump to the second body camera at 6:43, when they’re going hands-on, that’s when you see the single handcuff go on the right wrist. Man, this guy is not even in their control yet. Big mistake. The taser is at 7:10, and on that video, four seconds later, shots are fired.

Then we’ve got a dash cam that kind of shows everything. You hear a string of fire that you don’t really pick up from the body cams. It almost sounds like a couple of gunshots, and then seconds later, two more shots, and then another set of two gunshots. So it’s kind of crazy. There is still some missing information.

I suspect that our bad guy, because after he was shot he said, “Dude, I didn’t do anything. Why’d you shoot me? I didn’t do anything,” was grabbing onto the taser or one of the officers’ guns, or something that caused them to shoot. I suspect it was justified, but we do not have all the information we need. Scott?

Speaker 2 – Scott Stier:
I was wondering the same thing. When I was watching the video, I didn’t hear the gunshot. It was kind of like a lot going on. I was wondering, where was his firearm? A lot of times after a video, they’ll circle a little frame. I didn’t see that.

The first thing that came to mind was, did the law-enforcement officer grab his firearm instead of the taser?

Speaker 1 – Chip DeBlock / Host:
I kind of wondered that too.

Speaker 2 – Scott Stier:
As I’m watching this, and I’m not sitting here trying to plug the glove every single time, but it’s literally that effective of a tool in your toolbox for law enforcement. It goes back to less training for the officer. I don’t have to think, “Am I going to draw my gun here? Am I going to draw my taser here?” In a time of stress, let’s face it, law enforcement doesn’t get enough time and money to train in the first place. Now you have a taser, you have a firearm, you’re under stress, this guy could kill you, he’s a big guy, and you’re fighting him. There’s a lot going on.

If you have the gloves on and they’re already activated, more than likely the person is not going to be able to get access to the gloves. It’s a lot harder to take a glove off. It’s almost impossible compared to a taser. The taser—I don’t even know if it worked. If it did work, why was he still fighting? I’ve been told, and I don’t know this for truth, but I’ve been told that tasers only work 40% to 50% of the time anyhow.

You have all this going on. In my mind, I go back to, “Man, if they just had the glove, you get ahold of that hand, this guy is not going to fight. He’s not. And if he does, it’s not going to be very long.”

I would like to know whether this guy had a firearm and what was in the officer’s mind, what his mindset was. It would be interesting to hear that.

Speaker 1 – Chip DeBlock / Host:
Yeah, I agree. I’m curious. In the storyline, they said they didn’t know whether the same guy who tased fired the gun. I can tell you, no. One dude had the taser, and one dude had his firearm out. They could have done a better job selling it. The agency could have put out another version in slow motion, with freeze-frame and zoom, highlighting things with a little red circle.

When I freeze-framed it, I saw when the officer who was further away pulled his gun out. We just don’t know why. They should have documented when the officer said, “Drop it,” or “Don’t go for it,” or whatever. Obviously, there was something going on that we just don’t know. I’m giving the officer the benefit of the doubt. I’m telling you, this is going to be a justified shoot. I just wish they put out the information so we knew.

Speaker 2 – Scott Stier:
Yeah, because the whole purpose of putting out a video is to answer questions people might have so they can see for themselves. I feel like this video just led to more questions.

Speaker 1 – Chip DeBlock / Host:
For people saying, “Well, the bad guy said he didn’t do anything,” yeah, that’s what we say when they do anything. They always say that.

All right. We’ve got a minute and 43 seconds. Let me make a command decision here. We’ve got an ICE guy shooting out tires, but let’s do the serial defecator here.

This is from WMTV15News.com: Drone technology helps Stoughton police catch a serial defecator using the park as a public bathroom.

We’re in Wisconsin. Stoughton Police used a drone to help authorities arrest a 46-year-old woman who was repeatedly using a park as a public bathroom, according to the police department on Thursday.

How would you like to be her mom, right? Or her wife or girlfriend?

According to the Facebook post, the agency said it received dozens of reports from people complaining about finding feces and used toilet paper in a park along the walking path. Officials didn’t say which park the acts happened in, but police noted the woman is not even homeless. They believe that she does not even have a mental-health concern, which is what I would have said if I was married to her or dating her. At least say she’s got a mental-health issue, because I don’t want anyone thinking I’m dating a chick who does this while she’s walking around the park.

“When we first learned of it, we thought it was going to be isolated,” said Lieutenant Chad O’Neill with the Stoughton Police Department. But then the neighbors and users of the park continued to call and complain about it. He realized it wasn’t going to go away.

They put a drone up. The suspect claimed to have been using the bathroom at a certain time and a certain location based on her personal pattern. So I guess whenever she’s walking in the park and gets that urge, she just does it. And she’s carrying toilet paper with her because they’re finding toilet paper.

So what do you do? Reach in your purse, grab the toilet paper, stick your hand down your pants, and do the drop and wipe? I don’t know. Are you wiping front to back or back to front? I’m hoping it’s front to back, Scott, for her safety.

The woman was given a citation for indecent conduct, and they call her the serial defecator. I never grew out of this stuff. You’ve got 15 seconds, Scott.

Speaker 2 – Scott Stier:
I’m happy to hear she did wipe. So that’s good. This reminds me of something that happened to me at a park. I don’t have time to talk about it, but it reminds me of something that happened.

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