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**Speaker 1 – Chip DeBlock, Host:** Welcome to *LEO Roundtable* at LEORoundTable.com. My name is Chip DeBlock, and I’m your host. We’re joined by Lieutenant Randy Sutton, founder of The Wounded Blue at TheWoundedBlue.org and a retired Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department lieutenant. Thanks so much for being back on the show, Randy. I know you’ve been busy, and I know you were at Police Week all week recently. We’re living vicariously through you, Randy Sutton.

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Randy and I are going to begin with Memorial Day, which is today. Memorial Day is a national day of remembrance for U.S. service members who were killed in the line of duty. I read up on it before the show, and although it has roots going back to the Civil War, I did not realize it was declared a federal holiday in 1971.

Randy, I know we have both recognized Memorial Day for a long time. You just got back from Police Week. I know Memorial Day is more of a military remembrance, but there are close ties. Every May 15, Police Week has a presidential address. In this case, I think it was J.D. Vance doing it this year, correct?

**Speaker 2 – Lieutenant Randy Sutton, Guest:** Yeah. He is a great speaker. There was great energy at National Police Week. The memorial wall, of course, is always somber. The candlelight vigil had probably 20,000 cops there. They actually shortened it because there was a lightning watch and a storm watch. If there had been lightning, they were going to cancel the entire candlelight vigil.

All the politicians curtailed their speeches so they could get to the candlelight vigil. As soon as they lit the candles, the storm just roared. It was buckets of rain on us. Everybody got absolutely drenched.

**Speaker 1 – Chip DeBlock, Host:** I had not heard that. Unless something has changed, the candlelight vigil is enormous. Randy said about 20,000; I always told people there were 25,000 to 40,000 cops there during Police Week, at least when I went every year for about a decade. It is outside, with the blue laser and everyone holding candles. I’m telling you, it is a moving experience.

They read all the names added to the wall from the previous year, for 2025 in this case. It is an extremely touching and respectful event. As solemn as it is, I would not call it a downer. The way they do it is respectful and positive—a reflection on those lives. It is a great experience.

**Speaker 2 – Lieutenant Randy Sutton, Guest:** I was there with a team from The Wounded Blue because we were brought in to help provide peer support for the families of the fallen. Concerns of Police Survivors is the charity that really runs National Police Week, along with the National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial organization.

There are two things going on: the memorial events, and then Concerns of Police Survivors bringing families of fallen officers to Washington, putting them up in hotels, and providing support for them. My teams were part of that support, so we were very busy during National Police Week.

It was very moving. This is very raw for the families who are there to see their loved one’s name on the wall and gather support from other survivors. If you are a law enforcement officer and you have not been to National Police Week, you have to make the trip. You have to.

**Speaker 1 – Chip DeBlock, Host:** Every cop has to go at least once. If you are already retired, that does not get you off the hook. You really need to experience it. Words cannot describe what you are missing.

**Speaker 2 – Lieutenant Randy Sutton, Guest:** It is unbelievable. If you are not from Miami or New York, you can be like the rest of us and just sit back and watch the show between the Miami and NYPD cops, with their interactions and pranks. It is a wonderful thing.

**Speaker 1 – Chip DeBlock, Host:** I did a little research before the show for people like me who did not fully understand the difference between Memorial Day and Veterans Day. I was not in the military. At 21, I went straight into police work, fresh out of college. I wanted to make sure I understood this properly.

The two holidays honor different groups. Memorial Day honors service members who died while serving. Veterans Day, observed every November 11, honors all veterans, living and deceased. Memorial Day occurs on the last Monday of May, so its date rotates; November 11 is fixed for Veterans Day. That is the difference for anyone who did not know. Randy, any final words before we move on?

**Speaker 2 – Lieutenant Randy Sutton, Guest:** I think we tend to lose sight of the reasons behind some of these holidays and see them as just another day off. We really need to remember those who made these sacrifices for us, because without them our nation would not be standing today.

**Speaker 1 – Chip DeBlock, Host:** You are right. Our ability to do this show and say some of the things we say, some of which are controversial, exists because people have died to preserve that right. Even recently, with what is going on with Iran, we have had service members killed—not a lot, thank God—but people have made the ultimate sacrifice. Some of their stories we will never fully know. Thank you to our service members who put their lives in jeopardy on a daily basis.

Moving along, I am going to whet your appetite for the stories ahead. We have new information on the White House checkpoint shooter and the Secret Service incident. We have Tulsi Gabbard resigning as intelligence chief, which was a shock. We have an SUV attack on an ICE agent in Chicago caught on video. I was not aware of it, but the video is bad. We have LAPD officers shooting a suspect after he points a gun at officers following a crash. Then we have a Bowie police officer convicted of attempted murder. There is a flag in that story, and I am curious what Randy thinks about it. We also have Houston police body-camera video of a deadly shootout with a suspect wearing a security uniform inside a Sam’s Club.

Randy, if you are okay with going to the White House first, *The Tampa Free Press* reported: “White House checkpoint shooter dead after opening fire on Secret Service.” This happened Saturday evening. A man approached a White House security checkpoint, pulled out a gun, fired on law enforcement officers, and died after officers returned fire, according to the report.

According to a preliminary investigation by the U.S. Secret Service, the man approached the checkpoint just after 6:00 p.m., removed a weapon from his bag, and began firing at the posted officers. Secret Service officers returned fire and shot him during the exchange. He was transported to the hospital and later died from his injuries. I have no sympathy for him.

Unfortunately, a bystander was struck by a bullet during the incident. They do not yet know whose gunfire struck the bystander. I do not see that as ultimately changing the immediate circumstances, because this could have been much worse. I suspect there were a lot of people around at that time. A law enforcement official stated that they are still investigating that portion of the incident. No Secret Service officers were injured. President Donald Trump was inside the White House at the time and was not impacted by the shooting.

For people familiar with the area, the shooting took place near a Starbucks on Pennsylvania Avenue Northwest. Law enforcement officials reportedly knew the deceased man from interactions with the Secret Service and the Metropolitan Police Department—possibly three interactions over the past year. They indicated he had mental-health issues, which is not hard to imagine. Lieutenant Randy, about 15 seconds remaining.

**Speaker 2 – Lieutenant Randy Sutton, Guest:** He has been cured of his mental-health issues.

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**Speaker 1 – Chip DeBlock, Host:** Welcome back to *LEO Roundtable* at LEORoundTable.com, the law enforcement talk show. My name is Chip DeBlock, and I’m your host. We are joined by Lieutenant Randy Sutton, founder of The Wounded Blue at TheWoundedBlue.org.

We just left off talking about the White House checkpoint shooter who engaged the Secret Service. An innocent bystander was struck as well. That is most of the information we have. Lieutenant Randy Sutton?

**Speaker 2 – Lieutenant Randy Sutton, Guest:** The shooter who was killed had numerous run-ins with the Secret Service. Apparently, he had a fixation on doing harm to the Secret Service and the president, as it seems a lot of other people do. Somehow he wound up with a firearm.

Once again, this demonstrates that you can pass all the anti-gun laws you want; in reality, bad guys get guns. How do they get them? They are either stolen or obtained illegally to begin with, but criminals do not care.

This individual made the fatal decision to attack armed Secret Service personnel, apparently uniformed personnel. Washington, D.C., has checkpoints everywhere, along with a huge law enforcement presence and the National Guard. The officers returned fire exactly as they are trained to do and killed the suspect.

The media were there, doing a story about half a block away when the gunfire started. They were among the first people reporting it, asking, “Wait a minute, is that gunfire?” Sure enough, it was.

Once again, this president has faced more danger than I think any other president in history, and they just keep coming.

**Speaker 1 – Chip DeBlock, Host:** I support that assessment. Let me ask you this, Randy. Sitting in the comfort of my home and seeing the Uniformed Division of the Secret Service on television, it looks as though they carry long guns—rifles, AR-style rifles, or the equivalent. From what you saw on the street, were they carrying long guns, or is that limited to certain locations?

**Speaker 2 – Lieutenant Randy Sutton, Guest:** I did not see anyone carrying long guns. I am sure they have them in very close proximity. There is a visual issue with seeing police officers walking around the streets with long guns. You start thinking you are in a banana republic. I do not think that is the image they really want to put out there.

**Speaker 1 – Chip DeBlock, Host:** I understand. It is obviously something we would notice right away if we saw it.

Because of something you said, Randy, I want to jump to the first video story we have. I was going to cover the Tulsi Gabbard story, but you were talking about people targeting law enforcement or, in this case, the Secret Service. This story is from RVMNews.com: “SUV attack on ICE agent in Chicago caught on shocking video during federal operation.”

I do not remember hearing about this, and we cover the news every day. I had certainly never seen the video before. A Chicago man was indicted on Thursday after federal prosecutors said newly released video showed him using an SUV to ram the rear of a pickup truck occupied by an ICE agent. There is no “allegedly” about what is shown in that video: the SUV is ramming the rear of the ICE pickup truck and pushing it forward down the roadway.

According to the report, Diego Emmanuel Reyes, 21, was indicted by a federal grand jury on charges of assaulting, impeding, intimidating, and interfering with a federal agent. If convicted, he faces up to 20 years in federal prison. Federal authorities said the incident occurred on October 4, 2025, during Operation Midway Blitz. According to the indictment, he intentionally slammed his SUV into the rear of the ICE agent’s white pickup truck while the officer was carrying out official duties.

Prosecutors said the newly released video shows the SUV striking the ICE pickup truck and, after the initial crash, accelerating forward and aggressively pushing the agent’s truck. The indictment includes an enhanced penalty tied to the alleged use of a deadly or dangerous weapon: the SUV. The enhancement raises the maximum possible sentence to 20 years in prison. U.S. Attorney Andrew Botros also weighed in on the incident.

Randy, you just discussed people targeting the Secret Service, and now here we are talking about ICE in Chicago—something I had not even heard about yet.

**Speaker 2 – Lieutenant Randy Sutton, Guest:** It did fly under the radar, which is strange. We have seen attacks on ICE officers. Apparently, they have diminished somewhat because you do not see them in the news as much, but there has been an acceptance of violence toward ICE officers in Minneapolis, Chicago, and other places, where the media seem to celebrate attacks on these officers.

You still have liberal politicians who want to defund ICE or get rid of ICE, with the idea that we should open the borders and not respect the borders of our nation. ICE officers are like every other law enforcement officer: they are doing their jobs, and they are in danger every step of the way.

**Speaker 1 – Chip DeBlock, Host:** Thank God the majority of the country does not feel that way. You are absolutely right. This is a 21-year-old, possibly fresh out of college and indoctrinated by our school system—who knows? It is time for our second commercial break. We will be right back.

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We had just been talking about the SUV attack on an ICE agent. Watching that video, after the ICE agent is pushed down the roadway, it looks as though he is locking his brakes, but he cannot stop. Eventually, he comes to a stop, bails out of the ICE truck, and points his firearm at the man in the SUV, who backs up.

I thought for sure there was going to be a shooting. I was thinking of another prior incident, which I considered completely justified. In this case, the agent refrained from firing. I was concerned not only about the SUV hitting the officer who had his gun pointed at it, but also about the SUV hitting someone else or ramming another vehicle. There was a lot of traffic. I thought the agent would have been justified in pulling the trigger, but he did not. The suspect temporarily got away, and they later caught him. Any further commentary on that one, Randy?

**Speaker 2 – Lieutenant Randy Sutton, Guest:** I was thinking the same thing. I would say, light him up; it would have been a perfectly justifiable shooting. But these officers are scared to death to use their weapons as well. They are being threatened with prosecution after this administration. We have heard politicians say that, after this administration is done, they are going to go after ICE officers who were involved in shootings. Talk about a chilling effect on law enforcement.

**Speaker 1 – Chip DeBlock, Host:** We have seen prosecutions of cops that are absolutely outrageous for uses of deadly force. You are right. I cannot argue with you. I hate to think that is what they have to look forward to for doing their job and doing it well.

We have commentary from Paul Bogart, whom I used to work with. I had not seen the posting you are referencing, but thank you for watching the show, Paul. I will check into that. Betty Dunn and some of the other people are weighing in as well. Betty is saying people do not have common sense anymore. I think Betty gets it, Randy.

**Speaker 2 – Lieutenant Randy Sutton, Guest:** It seems to be very uncommon these days.

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Moving along, let’s go to the Tulsi Gabbard story. *The Tampa Free Press* reported that Tulsi Gabbard is resigning as intelligence chief following her husband’s cancer diagnosis. I hate to lose her. Sometimes things happen that are out of your control, unless Randy knows something I do not.

The article says Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard is resigning from her post. I cannot stress enough how important her job is. There is so much about that job that we will never know, and it should be that way, but it is extremely important. From what I can tell, everything is good between her and President Trump. She is not leaving until June 30 and reportedly informed the president of her decision in the Oval Office on Friday. Fox News Digital first reported the story and obtained a copy of her resignation letter.

In the letter, she cited personal family reasons for leaving, stating that her husband was recently diagnosed with a rare form of bone cancer, which is horrible to go through. We need to keep her, her husband, and her family in our thoughts and prayers. She expressed gratitude to the president for her time in the administration, writing that she was deeply grateful for the trust he placed in her and for the opportunity to lead the Office of the Director of National Intelligence for the last year and a half. That is monumental. Randy Sutton?

**Speaker 2 – Lieutenant Randy Sutton, Guest:** I have a great deal of respect for her, but you can understand making that decision. When it comes down to caring for your loved one, cancer is the scourge of the earth. You can understand why she would make the decision she did, but I think we will miss her.

**Speaker 1 – Chip DeBlock, Host:** There is no doubt. I know that decision had to be tough, because she carries the weight of the country and knows so much that we are unaware of. Hopefully, someone familiar with this material can step in and do as good a job. I hate to lose her, but I completely understand, and I am impressed that she is putting her husband first.

I do not know the prognosis. It is horrible. Guys, count your blessings. So many things occur in our lives or get thrown our way. We need to keep her in our prayers. She has done a phenomenal job. I have never heard a downside about her. That job involves so much that we will never know. It is just crazy.

Randy, if you are ready, we have another story with a video component. Let’s jump over to LAPD. This video is on Rumble from [channel name unclear], one of our favorite law enforcement video channels. We are in Los Angeles on April 8 of this year, at about 9:40 in the morning, with LAPD Central Patrol Division.

**Speaker 4 – Embedded Video Narrator:** As Jaime neared the bottom of the off-ramp, he conducted a U-turn, reentered the southbound 5 Freeway, and accelerated away at a high rate of speed. The officers then activated their police vehicle’s emergency lights and siren and initiated a vehicle pursuit.

**Speaker 5 – Embedded Law Enforcement Audio:** [Police-radio traffic is substantially unintelligible in the source transcript; officers appear to broadcast the pursuit of a black two-door BMW southbound on the freeway.]

**Speaker 4 – Embedded Video Narrator:** Jaime then continued driving erratically for several more miles as he weaved in and out of traffic lanes. Moments later, Jaime exited the freeway once more on Olympic Boulevard. While on the off-ramp, he conducted a U-turn, accelerated against oncoming traffic, and collided head-on with two oncoming police vehicles that were exiting the freeway.

**Speaker 5 – Embedded Law Enforcement Audio:** [Multiple urgent officer commands and radio transmissions are unintelligible in the source transcript following the collision.]

**Speaker 4 – Embedded Video Narrator:** After the BMW came to a stop on the off-ramp, Jaime exited from the driver’s side and stood beside the vehicle. The officers began to give Jaime verbal commands to surrender. However, he refused to comply and instead removed a handgun from his waistband. When he pointed the handgun at an officer, an officer-involved shooting occurred.

**Speaker 1 – Chip DeBlock, Host:** The officers are patrolling in the area when they see a newer-model BMW that is wanted in connection with a felony crime. The report does not specify what the felony was, whether it was a hit-and-run or something else. The officers follow the car on the 5 Freeway while requesting additional units. They do not initially activate lights or sirens; they are trying to get units in the area because they know the driver may run when they attempt to stop him. That is a smart tactical move.

The BMW eventually accelerates in an attempt to evade the officers, and they initiate a pursuit with lights and sirens. About one minute later, the BMW gets onto an off-ramp, makes a U-turn, and accelerates against traffic. Responding units are trying to position themselves, coming around the ramp without knowing the BMW is speeding directly at them head-on. There is fishtailing, and the BMW strikes two marked police vehicles before coming to a stop on the ramp while traveling the wrong way.

The 30-year-old driver, identified in the report as Jesús Ernesto Jaime, exits the driver’s seat and stands beside the driver’s door. We have a clear dash-camera view. He stares at the officers, especially the officer whose patrol car is in front of him and whom he did not strike. Had he continued, he would likely have hit that third car.

The officers are yelling commands for him to surrender, but he does not comply. He reaches into his shirt and appears to go for a weapon in his waistband, although he does not pull it out immediately. He eventually pulls out the handgun and points it at the officer whose dash camera is recording. The officers fire, he falls to the ground, and he dies.

There was also a passenger in the BMW. He complied, and officers took him into custody without incident. Two officers had to go to the hospital for injuries sustained when the suspect’s vehicle struck their cars. Police recovered a nine-millimeter semiautomatic Glock handgun with 17 live rounds, as well as a .357 Magnum revolver from inside the vehicle. That .357 Magnum is a powerful round. That is how this went down. It is a compelling video. Randy Sutton?

**Speaker 2 – Lieutenant Randy Sutton, Guest:** The video is very clear. You wonder why someone makes this decision. You have the ability to live, yet you make the decision to pull that gun out while facing officers in multiple tactical positions. You are not going to live through this. You wonder whether it is suicide by cop, or what goes through the mind of an individual like this.

You can see him making the decision. He reaches in and does not pull the gun out immediately; he is evaluating. I do not understand the thinking. You are not going to win. You are going to be the loser in this. Do you care so little about your own life? I would be curious to know what his criminal history was, but I do not think the article went into that.

**Speaker 1 – Chip DeBlock, Host:** I do not remember reading it either. I know we only have seconds before our third commercial break, but I do not remember seeing any long guns in the LAPD video. There were about three units present after the driver crashed, officers were drawing down on him, and he ultimately drew down on them. I believe our officers had pistols, and they used them effectively.

**Speaker 2 – Lieutenant Randy Sutton, Guest:** They did.

**Speaker 1 – Chip DeBlock, Host:** We are coming up on our third commercial break. Stick with us. We will be right back.

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Welcome back to *LEO Roundtable* at LEORoundTable.com, the law enforcement talk show. My name is Chip DeBlock, and I’m your host. We are joined by Lieutenant Randy Sutton, all the way from Las Vegas, founder of The Wounded Blue at TheWoundedBlue.org.

Randy, if you are ready, let’s head over to Maryland for the story of a Bowie police officer convicted of attempted murder. I do not know whether you are familiar with this case, but NBCWashington.com covered it. There is a flag in the story that I picked up on, and I am curious what you think.

A Bowie police officer was found guilty on Wednesday of attempted second-degree murder after firing his gun at a man on a busy roadway in 2024. He did not hit the man. Sergeant Robert Warrington stopped on the morning of September 12, 2024, to check on a white SUV parked on the side of the road.

This is the first flag for me: the man who was ultimately shot at by the sergeant does not want to be identified. He previously told News4 that he was trying to retrieve a hat that had blown away while his girlfriend and child remained in the SUV. Body-camera video shows the man walking past Sergeant Warrington on his way back to the SUV. He appeared to have one hand over his stomach and the other holding a white cloth or T-shirt.

The sergeant asked him, “Are you here to help her?” meaning the woman with the child in the SUV. The man responded, “No. She’s taking me to the hospital.” Moments later, the sergeant fired a shot toward the man. The bullet did not hit him, but he fell to the ground when the sergeant fired. The gunshot reportedly struck a passing minivan, although nobody was injured.

The sergeant said, “He had a gun. He had a gun,” and the man said, “I don’t have a gun.” According to the transcript, the woman screamed, “What did you do? What did you do? Why did you do that?” The sergeant reportedly said, “I’m sorry,” repeatedly.

In an interview with News4, the man said that after his ears stopped ringing, he turned around and asked the officer why he had shot at him. He also said he instinctively pulled out his phone to try to capture the shocking encounter. That is my second and most important flag. He does not say what the shocking encounter was. Reading that, Randy, I get the impression that when the sergeant pulled up and saw this man walking toward the SUV, not realizing he had earlier left the vehicle, the man may have reached to pull out a cell phone because he wanted to film the encounter. That is what I am thinking.

The sergeant, a 12-year veteran of the Bowie Police Department, was convicted of felony attempted second-degree murder, first-degree assault, reckless endangerment, and misconduct in office. Because he was convicted of a felony, the department had to let him go, and he is expected to be sentenced later this year.

**Speaker 2 – Lieutenant Randy Sutton, Guest:** I do not understand it. I do not understand charging this officer criminally and then stacking the charges like that. I do not understand what took place here. I know Maryland has had some liberal issues, but holy cow. This is what civil lawsuits are for. Nobody was hurt, and where was the intent of this officer? I do not understand the decision to charge, and I do not understand the decision to create this volume of felony charges against this guy. It is mind-boggling to me.

**Speaker 1 – Chip DeBlock, Host:** Even the man involved says the officer was saying, “He had a gun.” Nothing in that account gives me reason to believe the sergeant did not think this man had a gun. The fact that the man said he instinctively pulled out his phone makes me think he was reaching for something when he was shot at.

How many incidents have we seen where someone is shot, and the shooting is justified, because it is dark or the person pulls out an object in a way that resembles drawing a gun on an officer? The object may be black, or it may simply be a hand movement. You cannot slow down time in the moment. When someone acts like he has a gun and rapidly pulls his hand out, even if it is only a finger, a reasonable officer may be in fear. It can be a justified shooting. I am with you; I do not get this.

Was it a jury trial or a bench trial? I am going to try to get more information and find out. They should have had someone like Jamie Borden with Critical Incident Review, or Von Kline with [organization name unclear], assisting the defense.

We have time for the final story, Randy. The video is on Rumble from [channel name unclear]. We are in Houston now: Houston police released body-camera video of a deadly shootout between a suspect and police inside a Sam’s Club.

**Speaker 5 – Embedded Law Enforcement Audio:** We have to clear this room. Somebody watch my long. The door is still shut. All right, here is the place. Who is in there? Hey, you right there, I see you. Get out here. I have a guy behind the printer. He is on the right side. Come out with your hands up. Come out with your hands up. Do not do that stupid stuff, man. He is behind the printer, right here. Let me see your hands. Let me see your hands. Where are you at? Let me see your hands. [Gunfire / additional commands partially unintelligible.] He is right here. I am going to kick it. Give me a kick. This guy is shot. Let me see your hands. Security guy, are you okay? Let me see your hands. Come out with your hands up. Let me see your hands.

**Speaker 1 – Chip DeBlock, Host:** You will never look at a Sam’s Club the same way again. I will go through this quickly. Houston police released body-worn camera footage of a shooting that happened at a Sam’s Club in April, where officers killed the suspect. The suspect was reportedly dressed in a security guard uniform. He was inside an office at the Sam’s Club and firing shots. He was identified as Obed Flores Trullo.

The body-camera video shows officers arriving in the back warehouse area, where the offices are located. They come upon an office window with bullet holes in it. The glass is not shattered, but it appears the suspect was inside and had been shooting out through it.

One officer uses his hand to knock a hole in the window so he can see into the room. He has a flashlight, looks inside, and calls out, asking who is in there. He sees the suspect, and then there is gunfire. You cannot clearly see it on the body camera, but the suspect has a gun, points it at the officer, and fires, so the officer returns fire. A few seconds later, there is another burst of gunfire from the officers. I do not know whether the suspect fired first during that second exchange, but the officers fired at him again.

You can see the suspect through the hole in the window, and then the first officer falls backward. When he does, the officer next to him takes the lead, and that officer has a long gun, which is what you want up front in that situation. The suspect is down. Officers get the door open, and the suspect is on the ground. I believe he died in this incident. Randy Sutton?

**Speaker 2 – Lieutenant Randy Sutton, Guest:** This was very interesting to watch. When the officers got there, I believe it was a shots-fired call, and they heard gunfire from outside before making entry. This is a nightmare entry. It is a massive store.

What I found interesting was that they were issuing verbal challenges all along the way. I do not know whether I would have done that, because you are calling attention to yourself and presenting yourself as a target while trying to clear this massive store. They encountered the suspect fairly early during the search, but they were verbally challenging through the store. They did not know the scope of the activity or whether people were down. They were announcing where they were the entire time. I am not sure that was tactically sound.

This man was dressed like a security guard. I do not know what he was actually doing or what his end game was. They did not go into that in the story.

**Speaker 1 – Chip DeBlock, Host:** How does this make any sense? He is inside an office, in a confined space, firing shots out of a window, knowing that law enforcement is going to respond. It makes no sense.

**Speaker 2 – Lieutenant Randy Sutton, Guest:** Well, he will not do that again.

**Speaker 1 – Chip DeBlock, Host:** You are absolutely right. Lieutenant Randy Sutton, it has been great having you back on the show, especially on Memorial Day. Thank you for being here and sharing insights from Police Week.

I see these dates this month as closely related between law enforcement and our military brothers and sisters. We appreciate everything they have done and continue to do so that we can enjoy the lives we have. The military is far more responsible for that than we are on the police side, I think. Before we run out of time, I also want to talk about the Survival Summit.

**Speaker 2 – Lieutenant Randy Sutton, Guest:** The National Law Enforcement Survival Summit is September 28 through 30 in Las Vegas. If you are a law enforcement officer, this is the conference you need to attend, and we encourage you to bring your spouse. Go to TheWoundedBlue.org or TWBSummit.com and sign up.

**Speaker 1 – Chip DeBlock, Host:** I love it. Thank you, Randy Sutton. Go to CompliantTechnologies.com, GunLearn.com, MyMedicare.live, and TwoBells.com. We will see you back tomorrow at 12 noon Eastern.