[00:13] Speaker 1: Welcome to Leo Roundtable at leoroundtable.com. My name is Chip The Block and I'm your host. We're a group of law enforcement professionals that talk about today's news and issues, but we do it from a law enforcement perspective. Let me introduce the crew, guys. If you don't mind waiting for the video portion of our show, uh, we have retired Chief Ralph Ornellas all the way from California, formerly with the Los Angeles County, uh, Sheriff's Department as well. And also, we have Dr. Travis Yates, retired police major from the Tulsa Police Department. So, thanks for being on the show, gentlemen. We appreciate it. Also, a shout-out to our sponsors. You know, we have our title sponsor, Gulls at gulls.com, and don't forget that discount code RADIO15 in order to get 15% off your next purchase at gulls.com. And we have complianttechnologies.com, our satellite sponsor, gunlearner.com, mymedicare.live, Safeguard Recruiting.

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[01:40] Speaker 1: Thanks to all those entities for helping make this show happen. And now, what in the world are we talking about today, guys? I, I got to admit, I, I snuck one or two in on you guys because just th- the news cycle, I mean, you know, that's all I do, right? Uh, I, I'm, I'm at... A- at night, my wife's watching TV and I got alerts going off on my phone, I'm in bed, before I go to sleep, and I... You know, I'm getting caught up in the morning. First thing I do, I read Coffee & COVID. So, this one's from, uh, from Coffee & COVID, but just, i- i- it's... You know what? It's talking about, um... Some... I'll just read you the title of the articles. They're talking about, um, John Solomon's Just the News.

[02:11] Speaker 1: They broke a story and it's titled, "Trump Targeted by Four," four, "FBI Code-Named, uh, Counter-Intel Probes That Ensnared Hundreds of Americans." So, we have learned about additional probes that the FBI participated in, a total of four now, targeting Trump for about a 10-year period, and other people. Um, I can't wait to talk about that. And look, this is just, this is just preliminary. This is just, just coming like the cat out of the bag. Um, the other stories that we have, we've got two police officers and a suspect shot during an active shooter incident in Northwest Baltimore. I don't have a lot more information other than that on it, but we're gonna discuss that. Um, the US just intercepted an encrypted Iranian transmission that may have activated sleeper cells around the world, and law enforcement's on high alert. And even Travis Yates covered that on lawofficer.com. We've got arrests are coming, um, this is James O'Keep. Arrests are coming.

[03:03] Speaker 1: We're going to expose those mother effers and, uh, so that's coming up. We got Florida transgender teen and a friend are charged in an alleged plot to kill a classmate to resurrect the Sandy Hook shooter. Are you kidding me? Yep, that happened. A Bridgeport officer justified in the fatally shooting an armed man who fled from police. Pasco deputy, which is in my neck of the woods, injured, uh, in a shooting after the suspect shot two other people, and that was a K-9 handler that got injured. And then, we got Chino Police released body cam footage of officers that are shooting a guy that's armed with a knife. So, if we have time to get to all those, that's the plan. So, let- let's start off with this one from, uh, Coffee & COVID. You know, I always preach about Coffee & COVID. The author and, and publisher of this, he, he's an attorney in Gainesville, Florida. His name is Jeff Childers. Sharp guy. He got his start... This is, explains the Coffee & COVID name.

[03:53] Speaker 1: He was helping cops and military and all these guys and, and, and, and public pro- professionals, nurses and doctors that were being forced out because they didn't want to get jabbed. They didn't want to get the, uh, the COVID vaccine. And, uh, so that's how he got his start. And now, he still covers that stuff, but it's, it's, it's less, you know, in the news, although there's still some revelation, uh, revelations that are, that are coming out. But he's doing political commentary now, and he is, like, up to speed on everything. He reads all the Washington Post, New York Times, and all the articles, and he, and he, and he puts everything in a concise newsletter, a free one that comes out every morning around nine o'clock in the morning Eastern Time. It's amazing.

[04:30] Speaker 1: So, this one, yesterday, John Solomon's Just the News broke the story as an exclusive headline, "Trump Targeted by Four FBI Name Counter-Intel Probes That Ensnailed Hundreds of Americans," a- and, and he highlights the fact that there were four of them. Corporate media completely ignored this story, but the people watching this show, now you're aware of it. President Trump reposted the story on Truth Social, no extra comments. Beginning of the summer of 2016, at the precise moment Donald Trump accepted the Republican presidential nomination, Obama's FBI launched a counterintelligence operation against him, and the first operation was code-named CROSSFIRE HURRICANE. Now, we've all heard about CROSSFIRE HURRICANE. There's three other ones, and we probably have heard about the last one, but there are definitely two that you haven't heard of. CROSSFIRE HURRICANE was only the opening act.

[05:14] Speaker 1: Over the next four years of the Biden Otpun regime, the, uh, FBI ran three more domestic spying operations using tools meant for terrorists and spies against Trump and Republicans. They were each called ROUND RIVER, PLASMIC ECHO, and ARCTIC FROST. We've heard of ARCTIC FROST. Now, the two in the middle, ROUND RIVER and PLASMIC ECHO, I don't think most people have heard about. The ops ran sequentially. Each successive probe started as the prior one concluded so that the spying continued in a single glorious uninterrupted arc from the summer of 2016 until the final hour of the Biden administration on January 2025. Literally, when Trump was s- sworn in, in, in the office. And it goes, um, ten years, a whole decade, of Constitutional abuse. It wasn't really four different operations. It was one ten-year operation code-named Spy On Republicans. And each successive operation swelled in size as the domestic surveillance increased.

[06:05] Speaker 1: It talks about the final operation called ARCTIC FROST that targeted nearly 400 conservative groups and thousands of Americans, including 1200 people specifically identified as being protected First Amendment categories, like lawmakers, defense attorneys, filmmakers, journalists. The article report- article reported that officials said that the, the two middle operations, the ones that we're just hearing about, ROUND RIVER and PLASMIC ECHO, are just beginning to be declassified so Congress can be fully read in, and it may produce some of the most troubling abuses, and this will be new, never-before-seen scandals. I got to admit, um...... I, I'm even surprised over this one. At least a dozen members of Congress and their staffers were swept up in surveillance. It talks about eight sitting Republican senators, Chuck Grassley, uh, Chief of Staff Susie Wiles.

[06:47] Speaker 1: It goes on and on, talks about subpoenas were, were classified, the targets had no way to challenge them or even to know about them. And then we've got all the judges that signed off on them, which is a whole nother story. And even Kash Patel himself was surveilled, uh, by the same FBI that he's now in charge of. At least 1,200 Americans specifically identified in constitutionally protected categories which objected to these warrants. It's talking about phone record analysis, wiretaps, grand juries, all this kind of stuff. Um, and then lastly, it talks about Assistant Attorney General Harmeet Dhillon told James Solomon that the criminal charges are indeed possible under the Klan Act. And it talks about how these things were on paper, not even in computer systems. I mean, if you knew that they existed and you punched it into the computer, it would come back no record found. They really went to great lengths to hide this intel, and it was like just, uh, uh, verbal only.

[07:34] Speaker 1: And when one administration left and another one came in, it was just a verbal, you know, cue there was... you know, they had everything written in paper, but it was like, it was hidden, not even in the computer system. And that was all bun- done by design. So, um, tha- that's all I have. Look, there's so much more coming down about this. I'm hoping that we're gonna get some indictments and some jail time finally out of people involved in this stuff. But this is our FBI. Um, we got four minutes before we take our first commercial break. Um, anything, anybody? I know that we don't have a lot of information, but Travis Yates?

[08:03] Speaker 2: Well, I'm tired of hearing about it. I'm tired of hearing about scandal after scandal after scandal and no one's held accountable. I mean, we have a whole group of people that were pardoned by Biden over... for the last decade, right, that weren't even under indictment, but he just gave blanket pardons-

[08:16] Speaker 1: Right.

[08:16] Speaker 2: ... to all these people. I don't think we know why now, by the way. I'm tired of Republicans making a big deal about this in hearings and in the media, but we don't see anybody going to jail. And if they're... no one's held accountable, this will continue. And e- no side should be doing this. So once again, I'm sick and tired of hearing about it, Chip. I appreciate you telling me, but I wanna hear, I wanna hear where people are going to prison because this, these are, these are damning charges, right?

[08:43] Speaker 2: This is-

[08:43] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[08:44] Speaker 2: ... crazy what they're... what they did. And, but this is the round th-... I mean, I've heard this, you know, no less than a dozen times in the last year of different things they found. Tell me who's going to jail or be quiet.

[08:56] Speaker 1: Yeah. Even James Comey's walking around, uh, Ralph, and, uh, and that, that... a guy that I used to really like, so...

[09:03] Speaker 3: You know, first of all, you go back to even a book that Gregg Jarrett wrote, uh, The Russia Hoax. And in that book, two of his books, pretty thick books, laid out all what you just talked about. And Solomon is a great source, what he's done. And it... and, and you're right, Travis, and the audience, and Chip, is that, you know, you look at, you look at wh- when my department, when the feds prosecuted us, and we had people go to prison, okay? 21 deputies went to prison and, and some executives. Here we got so much evidence right now, as you just laid out, what... as along the lines what Travis stated, when are we gonna see really conclusion of somebody being prosecuted? Because just like Travis, I'm gonna add on to what Travis said, is this, if this can happen to this president, what could... what other administrations could do to other presidents to insert themselves and rip apart an administration? Just think about the first four years in the first administration of Trump.

[10:02] Speaker 3: It was all impeachment, and it, and it really blockaded the progress of what we could accomplish in this, in, in this country under that first administration. But also, I listened to Bongino's podcast quite a bit. And, you know, he stated, which you've kind of brought up, Chip, boxes of reports that were in some room secluded that him and, and Patel looked through and started-

[10:28] Speaker 1: Burn bags.

[10:29] Speaker 3: Yeah, and started seeing all this stuff. So, you know, what frightens me, really, truly... I worked with the FBI, had some great relationships. I never saw this, but there's cells within the FBI that came after a president of the United States, and that's frightening. We can't have that. We just can't have that.

[10:49] Speaker 2: I mean, Chip-

[10:51] Speaker 1: Can I- Go ahead.

[10:51] Speaker 2: Adam Schiff, the great senator there in your great state there, Ralph-

[10:55] Speaker 3: Thank you.

[10:55] Speaker 2: ... he went on CNN hundreds of times and said Russia was running our country and Donald Trump and Ru-... I mean, they, they say all this-

[11:03] Speaker 1: Right.

[11:03] Speaker 2: ... and, and he is still a senator today. These people, they're ju-... they, they have no shame 'cause they know there's no accountability. They can say whatever they want. And that's going on today.

[11:14] Speaker 3: Yes.

[11:14] Speaker 2: They can say whatever they want.

[11:16] Speaker 3: Yep.

[11:16] Speaker 2: And these are not just Twitter trolls. These are leaders of our political, uh, world that just say whatever they want, and they know they're never gonna be held accountable.

[11:25] Speaker 3: But Travis, the problem is this, and Chip and the audience, is we have the liberal legacy media that, that puts all this out, and plus all the stuff that's on the phones that advocate for that kind of stuff, that, that message.

[11:40] Speaker 1: You know, at least they got Schumer off the Intelligence Committee. (laughs) That's... I mean, but you're right. Probably should be in a jail cell without a doubt. So guys, it's time for our first commercial break. It's gonna get really good. Stick with us. We'll be right back. My family only cares about one thing: that I come home safe.

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[12:45] Speaker 1: ... back home safe. (instrumental music plays) Welcome back. LEO Roundtable at leoroundtable.com, the law enforcement talk show. My name is Chip The Block, and I'm your host. We're joined by Chief Ralph Ornelas from California, Dr. Travis Shakes, retired major from Tulsa. And, you know, we've been talking about, um, the Coffee and COVID article that just came out. Attorney Jeff Childers, you know, puts it out there. And it's about these four, these four intel operations that the FBI did over a decade against Trump and Republicans. And we just found out about two more of them that are just now getting declassified. So, um, yeah, stay, uh, stay tuned for that. If you guys are ready, we've got another one, uh, coming up from Tampa Free Press. Two police officers and a suspect shot during an active shooter incident in northwest Baltimore. Don't have a lot of information about it yet, uh, but there's, there was an active shooter, um, and that happened yesterday.

[13:39] Speaker 1: And during the exchange of gunfire, we had two police officers and a suspect that ended up getting shot. Uh, em- emergency responders immediately transported the wounded officers to the University of Maryland Shock Trauma Center for treatment. Suspect was also struck by gunfire. And l- it says that the, um, that, uh, BPD, the Baltimore Police, that they were on scene in charge of the active shooter incident that happened in the 6200 block of Park Heights Avenue. And, uh, so unless somebody else has some more information, that is all I have at this time. Or you guys have anything, uh, anything else yet or ... So we'll... Hopefully, tomorrow, we'll have some more information about this. Hopefully, the cops will be okay. I don't care about the bad guy. Uh, but Chief Ralph.

[14:18] Speaker 3: Yeah. You know, uh, that article and then the other co- articles that followed though what made me concerned was, okay, they don't have much information. Is this something else that, like, was in line with what happened in Austin, what happened in New York City, with the article that you brought up in Toronto? And they mention that in one article something took place at a consulate now in the United St- uh, the United States consulate in Oslo and Toronto.

[14:42] Speaker 3: Is this these cells starting to come to surface, which leads you to the next articles, but I wa- I don't want-

[14:49] Speaker 1: Uh-

[14:49] Speaker 3: ... I don't want to jump ahead of you. So should-

[14:51] Speaker 1: Well, it was a good segue, good segue.

[14:53] Speaker 3: Y- you're, you're the host.

[14:54] Speaker 1: You know, this next one, th- well, w- so I- I'm glad you touched on that. So yeah, we've got three news stories for this next one, including Law Officers. We got the first one is newsbreak.com, lawofficer.com, and then the bureau.news. And so, um, they're, uh, uh, they're mostly talking about the same thing, uh, but then some additional information. So the US just intercepted an encrypted Iranian transmission that may have activated sleeper cells around the world, and law enforcement's on high alert. So that's basically the theme of it. Um, and I wouldn't say it just happened, but you'll, you'll see from the article, the United States, they intercepted an encrypted transmission from Iran that officials believe could be an operational trigger to activate sleeper assets or sleeper cells around the world, i- i- in addition to the US. And it's put law enforcement agencies on high alert, again, not just in the US.

[15:40] Speaker 1: So the development comes as the conflict between the US, Israel and Iran continues to grow. And according to The Independent, the intercepted communications are believed to be of Iranian descent. The message was sent shortly after the death of the supreme leader, Ali Kami- Khamenei. Uh, and, uh, it goes on to say the alert spec- specifically noted, uh, that the sudden appearance of a new station with international rebroadcast characteristics, which they flagged as, uh, warranting heightened situational awareness. The US is, uh, is urging all law enforcement to be on increased alert, and especially over suspicious radio frequencies. And they also noted that there's currently no operational threat tied to a specific location. And, uh, so we've got the title and Law Officer Sleeper Cells Are A Longstanding Concern for US Officials Whenever Tensions Rise With Iran. And of course, we've already seen, like, uh, the chief mentioned Texas, some, uh, some, um, some fragments of that.

[16:37] Speaker 1: And then we've got lastly, Federal Alert: Iran Sleeper Cells Are Active On US Soil. And we can thank our former President Joe Biden, uh, you know, for that one. Um, commentary, uh, Travis Shakes?

[16:49] Speaker 2: Yeah. I will tell you where we got that article at lawofficer.com, which is Keith Graves. And Ralph in the narcotic circles may know about Keith. He's a former, uh, San Francisco Bay Area officer that really is one of the world's experts in, in narcotics investigations. But he now runs a website called christianwarriortraining.com. And he broke this story before the media broke it. He's got connections all across the world. It's an incredible resource, completely free. I would recommend anybody that's concerned about terrorism, church security, personal security. He is breaking things constantly, and he's always dead right. I just saw him at the SHOT Show. He's one of my best friends, a great guy. But go to christianwarriortraining.com. Uh, we, we took that, what he wrote, and put it right there on the law firm.

[17:36] Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah. It was well written actually, and, and it, and it, it branched out to a lot of different areas than, uh, than, than, than j- just this. And this is at a time when you've got some entities, and I believe it was a California bre- based entity that's saying, uh, that's preaching, uh, uh, re- eh, it's a California agency, and I'm trying... And I'll, uh, I, I don't have the luxury of time to pull it up. But Ralph, they were telling, uh, active and retired law enforcement not to get involved with church security. That's what they were saying. And, uh, yeah. So I, I'll have to pull that up and then get with Travis and then maybe have a little, you know, rebuttal from maybe Travis's friend on the show. That would be kind of cool, but...

[18:16] Speaker 3: You know, you state, you state that, not to get involved with, but, you know, that other article, uh, was written, um, it was talking about alerts and what churches, synagogues for doing alert, let your, let your parishioners know about things. I have a, a few, uh, fo- former SWAT members of LA County Sheriffs that are providing security and consulting of synagogues right now up and down the coast of, uh, California because they're concerned now, you know?

[18:43] Speaker 3: And I think-

[18:43] Speaker 1: Oh, I got it. You know what? It, it was from lawofficer.com of all pla- California union tells retired cops to step away from church security roles. Wow.

[18:54] Speaker 2: Well, th- yeah, the backstory is, is, is PORAC is concerned about the, uh, liability through what- th- whatever's going on in the state of California. So they say, "Don't be part of a team." Well, the problem is, you gotta be part of a team to give ultimate church security, right? I'm sure that's what your consultants are trying to train these churches to do, is how to form a team, how to train a team. But it was pretty wild, for sure.

[19:15] Speaker 1: You know, I did church security for years for a, a, a Bay Area church here in, in the Tampa Bay area that had, um, satellite, um, had satellite churches. Um, and, uh, I... Uh, it was a big operation. And the guy in charge of it for us used to be in charge of the Buccaneer security for, you know, at... with the NFL. It j- but in short, i- i- i- you know, and I don't know how they do it out of state, but with a... with your PI license, you have... You know, I did e- I did, uh, dignitary protection for, for, for decades, but the police weren't writing... Then they call it executive protection when you have your PI hat on. But, you know, we... You know, I had an... I'm licensed and insured. I mean, I had $2 million of insurance. But the, the key was... is that the church, it was being separated from the church so they didn't have the liability in, uh, in case I did something wrong. I know what I'm doing, but I also don't want to be told what to do by the church. There's always that issue.

[20:07] Speaker 1: So it was a nice protection for the church, that veil. They separated us. They hired us to get the job done, and we had insurance, and, and they let us, you know... We knew what needed to get done. They just let us... We just did it. We did it the way we knew how instead of being instructed by people that didn't know anything on how they do it. But we're, we're 10 seconds out. We'll pick this up when we come back. It's time for another commercial break. Here we go. All right, guys. Time to talk about Comply Technologies at complytechnologies.com. And they're committed to providing non-lethal solutions to help officers gain the upper hand safely and rapidly in a humane, low optics manner utilizing their CD3, which stands for conductive destruction and de-escalation device technology. Now, their flagship product, we all know by now, is called the Glove. Uh, uh, Travis knows what it is. It, it, it, it's helped officers over, over 250,000 times, over 250,000 deployments.

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[21:39] Speaker 1: And guys, I believe the last, uh, main topic that we were talking about was the, uh, the, um, US had an... Uh, that's right. We had, uh, intercepted the encrypt, the encrypted message for sleeper cells. Um, I, uh, I suspect... I think that we're gonna see more stuff. I don't think that it's gonna be mass terror across the United States, to be honest with you. But I, I, I'm not... I don't wanna... I'm not... I don't want to say that too quickly. Wh- when I say that, I, I want to say this. I think that it will be that way as long as we as law enforcement, and I'm talking about active and retired, keep our heads on swivels. I want to, I want to cover the stories where we've got an active guy that's maybe off-duty or a retired dude that takes out... that takes somebody out. And I think that once that happens, I think that it'll give them pause. Uh, we need a lot of good guys with guns.

[22:28] Speaker 1: I know there's a lot of civilians, um, that are, that are, uh, that have guns and that are trained, which I, I prefer, um, because I don't want to... I know you guys don't either. Whenever I'm in a public situation and I'm thinking if something goes down, 'cause you know I always run scenarios through my head. I'm always... I alwa- I carry a badge with me everywhere I go. I... You know, when I was an active cop, I never carried a badge. Um, and, and, uh, you know, when, when I wa- when I was working, I did, but when I was off, I didn't. Uh, and, and s- s- statute-wise, you don't have to. But being retired and people aren't gonna recognize me, dude, I'm only... I'm shooting one-handed because the other hand's gonna have my badge up in the air so someone won't take me out. And I worry about a civilian doing exactly that, um, that's not trained. Yeah, Ralph?

[23:10] Speaker 3: You know, I, I want to address an issue that I believe... I spoke to my professor from, uh, college, Harvey Kushner. He wrote a phenomenal book after 9/11. It's called The Holy War on the Home Front. And I spoke to him the other day, and these things are go- we are gonna s- I- he believes are gonna see some incidents around our country and other countries, and they're, they're Iraniens attacking all the Middle Eastern country. And what they're doing is putting political pressure, all the weak, all the weak politicians in our country and other countries, to have President Trump back off what he's doing right now. And I, I really believe that's gonna be a tactic to take, because I'll tell you something. You know, th- that, that these, these cells are in this country. When I was in Central America interviewing prisoners in, in certain prisons in Central America, a lot of Latinos had all Islamic writing on their back or on the front of their chest. And they would...

[24:06] Speaker 3: They were given pathways to the plazas through Central America and Mexico into the United States. And this was, this was 2006 and 2007. Look what happened in the last four years of past administration.

[24:18] Speaker 1: Go ahead.

[24:18] Speaker 3: About 12, thir- 13 million had gotten in this c- in, in, into this country. We don't know what they are. I think, I think it was, uh, stated about 20,000 were terrorists, potentially associations. Go ahead, Travis.

[24:33] Speaker 1: Well, I think we're... I think he's ready to roll. So, uh, let's bring up the next one then. La- Let me ju- This is one I'm just gonna touch on. And Travis, I, I, I don't know if you've heard about this. RVMnews.com, uh, Red Voice Media, arrests are coming. We're going to expose, uh, the, uh, the bad guys, uh, according to James O'Keefe. So, I don't know if that's tied into any of this FBI stuff that we're hearing with these, uh, these two operations that are now, just now been de- being declassified or whether he's got some other stuff. Of course, now we know that there's a lot of this fraud stuff going on in the state of California. You know, we've been concentrating on Minnesota, but there's some stuff coming down the pike. Um, I'm just... You know, people should get ready f- should get ready for it. Travis Yates?

[25:13] Speaker 2: Now, O'Keefe said, O'Keefe has said something similar before. Everything he does is breaking, and I'm glad that James O'Keefe's out there, but it never goes past James O'Keefe. Your traditional media is not gonna report on it and we very seldom see anything criminal come from it. So I'm glad he's out there, but I'm just tired of, of what I'm seeing and there's no one ever held accountable. That's why it keeps happening.

[25:34] Speaker 2: I mean, the-

[25:35] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[25:35] Speaker 2: ... Minnesota governor clearly knew for the, that all this fraud was going on and they brought, they pulled him up to DC and they tried to shame him for their sound bites. But he gets to go back to Minnesota and keep doing what he's doing. There's no accountability for it.

[25:47] Speaker 1: I know. I want, look, I want to donate- And the, and the, and the attorney general, too

[25:51] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[25:51] Speaker 1: I'm gonna publicly offer them to donate a pair of handcuffs to the first bad guy they wanna put it. They... How cool would that be to have your handcuffs going on one of the first people, you know, that are going to jail for some of the crap that they, that they've been pulling off? How cool would that be? Oh. You know, it's kind of like the-

[26:07] Speaker 2: Remember, he, he called the kid that exposed that, you know, some sort of scam artist and then he decided not to run for re-election the very next day. I mean, thank goodness we have journalists like O'Keefe and Nick Shirley because we have no other journalists in this country, obviously.

[26:21] Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, we have a, a CBS, um, thing that just, that just went down. Um, CBS is, you know, new ownership. They got some good stuff going on. So we'll, we'll watch. That, that, that narrative might change at least on that side. LifeZette.com, Florida transgender teen, another transgender, and a friend charged in an alleged plot to kill a classmate to resurrect the Sandy Hook shooter. Now, I'm not gonna use names 'cause I, I don't like to do that. Uh, but we have two teenagers in Florida, yeah, my home state, facing attempted premeditated murder charges after authorities say they plotted to kill a fellow student at the Lake Brantley High School, and that's over in Altamonte Springs, which is over by Orlando, over by Disney. Um, an, an alleged plan, uh, tied to Sandy Hook shooter, and they give his name as reported by The Blaze. Now the suspects, it gives their names, two females. Now, I say that to say this. They're calling them females, but they're, but they're dudes, right?

[27:17] Speaker 1: 15 and 14, throughout the article, it refers to them as shes. And I don't know what point in the transition process that they are. I doubt that it's much because they're so young at 15 and 14 and it says that they identify as, so take that, you know, uh, that information and do with it what you will. They were arrested in January after police received an anonymous tip warning that a student was being targeted in a planned killing. Now, according to the Altamonte Springs Police Department, the tip was received on January the 22nd, alerted authorities to a possible murder plot involving a student at a high school, so the police started investigating the report the following morning. So when they get the tip, it was probably, school probably was not in session. So on January 23rd, both girls arrive at school. By 7:38 in the morning, officers asked the security guard to remove one of them from her classroom so she could be questioned.

[28:09] Speaker 1: Court documents say that, uh, she identifies as transgender and goes by the name of, uh, of, um, a male name, Jimmy. During the questioning with an assistant principal, um, this guy, this, this teenager admitted, uh, that he had been planning to kill another student according to investigators. Um, and again, I'm saying he 'cause I'm having to... It says she on my screen, but I'm having to call him what, you know, what he is, a he. I'm just having to do that transformation during the live show. Authorities asked how the alleged attack was supposed to be carried out. Police say that this bad guy told them that he intended to use a knife and had already bought supplies to school. And investigators said that he handed over a backpack that contained a knife, gloves, trash bags, and wipes, if you can believe that. Uh, police said that he told the officials that he had been hearing voices instructing him to kill the targeted student.

[29:02] Speaker 1: And according to investigators, uh, the voices told him, uh, that the student reminded him of a, uh, uh, of the, uh, the bad guy responsible for the San- for the, uh, Sandy Hook Elementary School shootings. And authorities say that he believed that killing that student, um, at his school would lead to the one that was the Sandy Hook shooter being resurrected. And police said that he allegedly planned to stab the student in either the neck or the stomach. Wow, forthcoming with information. Investigators say that he knew about the alleged, uh, that, that the other person arrested knew about the alleged plot, helped the first person obtain items connected to the plan. After their arrests, both girls were placed in the back of a police cruiser and the recordings, it's recording, right? It's going on. According to the Altamonte Springs, uh, Police Department, it captured both teenagers. They're laughing, they're talking about the case.

[29:48] Speaker 1: And, uh, they summarized the conversation by saying that, um, the girls, the guys discussed their arrest, their alleged plan, whether someone had reported them. And, uh, one... The, uh, the main culprit told the other one, uh, that he was gonna use makeup this morning for the mugshot and the other one said, "It's over. It doesn't matter what you look like." And so these guys also discussed a blood pact related, um, to the original Sandy Hook shooter. And it kinda goes on and on from there, but they're being charged with attempted premeditated murder and they're being charged as adults. Um, Travis Yates?

[30:22] Speaker 2: We don't never wanna talk about pharmaceuticals when it comes to this type of stuff. And I have no idea if that's involved here, but all of these violent incidents from young people, nobody wants to talk about, uh, the pharmaceuticals that they're on, whether that's psy- psychotropic drugs or transitioning drugs or whatever it is. And of course, they hide behind the HIPAA Act, right, where we can't talk about it. But I wish somebody would look into this because, uh, there's something that's flipped in the last decade that caused this and I'm just curious to know what type of drugs you're putting these kids on, uh, that they didn't used to be on because something has changed.

[31:00] Speaker 1: Good point. You know, you know, along those lines, and I agree with you, Travis, but it's also, I believe marijuana. You know, this day and age, this marijuana today is not the marijuana of you and me, Chip and Travis. You know, when I, when I was a captain of narcotics, we did a study with doctors from UCA, UCLA and USC, and they said, "There's no way...

[31:24] Speaker 3: That first shot at the title here i- in LA County and the California Prop 19 to legalize it, thank God we got in front of million DA, uh, administrators in front of a press conference say, "We can't do this. What it's gonna do to our young people because it's causing psychi- psychotic and schizophrenic episodes." This marijuana today is 10, you know, it's like 40 times more potent and if they vape it, it's 90 times the level of THC. So I agree with you, Travis, about medication, but marijuana is truly not the drug that they profess it to be.

[31:59] Speaker 1: (instrumental music plays) Well, good point and good, uh, good timing, Chief. It's time for our third commercial break, guys. We're gonna continue this conversation in one second. Commercial break, we'll be right back. All right, guys. It's time to talk about GunLearn at gunlearn.com. You know, as police officers, we deal with guns and we deal with ammo every day, but it's what we don't know about them that gets us into trouble. Injuries, civil lawsuits, accidental discharges, misidentifications, lost prosecutions, and disciplinary issues, but gunlearn.com, they have your back. You can quickly become extremely firearm knowledgeable by simply learning 14 training modules from the convenience of your home or your office or by attending a live seminar at gunlearn.com. You can also become a safe, accurate, and competent certified firearms specialist, like our very own Captain Brett Bartlett and also Attorney Ken Affianco.

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[33:33] Speaker 1: They've both been arrested, uh, for the murder plot and, uh, while disastrous averted, uh, kind of s- kind of scary stuff, Chief. Um, any final words on this one?

[33:43] Speaker 3: No, no. I think, uh, Travis mentioned something good in regards to medications and I think that, you know, marijuana, I, I plead to parents and everybody watching this, you know, marijuana is not the marijuana that everybody professes it to be. So, uh, I just leave it at that.

[33:58] Speaker 1: Yeah. And of course, this was in Florida, so we will, uh, continue to watch this story, but, um, but yeah, some scary stuff. Um-

[34:04] Speaker 3: But, but als- but also I, I like the other article you sent in about marijuana Supreme Court shutting down that petition to put, uh, marijuana on the, on the ballot. I like that.

[34:16] Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. That was, um, that was surprising. So, well, look, um, if you... Uh, and Travis, we're just moving from the transgender story, um, to the first video, unless you got any final words for the, uh, for the attempted school shootings. So-

[34:28] Speaker 5: Yeah, let's do it.

[34:30] Speaker 1: All right. So our next one here then, we've got, and it's our first video, uh, we got rumble.com, our favorite law enforcement video channel called This is Butter. To be honest with you, um, it, it, it's not This is Butter's fault. The article didn't not have all the relevant information. I had to go to ctmirror.org, CT stands for Connecticut, um, to get more information like did the bad guy actually have a gun? Um, did he die? All these other information that just wasn't in the, in the, in the main article. So a Bridgeport police officer was justified in fatally shooting an armed man who fled from police.

[35:03] Speaker 3: A man died just now.

[35:06] Speaker 5: I'm over here trying to get him. Yo. Yo.

[35:11] Speaker 3: (screams)

[35:11] Speaker 5: 33, full pursuit. Eastbound on Boston Ave. Yo, you're gonna get tased. You're gonna get fucking tased. (screams Fuck. 32, taser deployed. Oh, fuck. (screams) Yo. Yo. Yo. Yo. (gunfire) 32, shots fired.

[35:47] Speaker 1: Now, it starts off, you know, we're in Bridgeport, Connecticut. They start off talking about the Connecti- Connecticut Office of Inspector General, and they're talking about its rule that the police-involved shooting of DaShawn Best one year ago was justified. Um, they make it sound like the cop did something, you know, wrong and then they start... They don't even talk about what's in his hand as being a weapon, what looked like a weapon. And so it made me... That's why I had to start doing research because I'm thinking, "Wow, did they just... This guy just thought some dude had a freaking cell phone in his hand and shot him and, and, and he's lucky he didn't get, you know, jammed up, right?" Not exactly what happened. I had to go to another article to get the, to get the lowdown. Based on the totality of the circumstances, Bridgeport Police Officer Heo, that's H-E-O, reasonably believed that deadly force was necessary to protect himself from serious physical injury or death.

[36:35] Speaker 1: Accordingly, he was justified in using deadly force against DaShawn Best. The office will take no further action. So that is the release from the Connecticut Office of the, of, of Inspector General. Thank God I don't work in freaking Connecticut. Now, the police responded to a call of a street fight that involved an armed man. When they, uh, when they get there, uh, they approach a vehicle and, uh, and look... At least some stuff, we covered this previously like almost about a year ago. Um, it kind of starts off with these, uh, these two guys in a, I think it was a big black SUV. Um, and on the passenger side, you've got a female officer, opens up the passenger door. Now, remember, these guys had left a fight involving a gun and she's kind of like lackadaisical, and the dude... She opens up the... (laughs) and the dude, the guy sitting there, he's got a, a bottle of, uh, Remy and I, I look it up and it's, it's cognac, right?

[37:25] Speaker 1: He's got a bo- a big old bottle of cognac.I actually, I like cognac, but I like Courvoisier. I've never had Remy. You know, I'm just putting myself at a different ... I have a different level s- standard there, Travis, just so you know. Uh, so anyhow, he gets out and he beats feet, but he's got his cell phone and he's got his bottle of cognac in his hand. And so, he's running. So this female, dude, I'm not impressed with her. She's running and she, like, stays cool. Lets the guy get out of the car, lets him run away, doesn't even get close enough to put her hands on him, and then he's, like, outrunning her like ... She's running like snail's pace. She's like slow motion. Like, she's got, like, no fast-twitch muscle fiber. She must be all slow-twitch, dude, because I'm telling you, she was moving like slow man. And so, the cop that we're concerned with now, with the body cam, he gives chase and he quickly takes over and passes the female cop.

[38:08] Speaker 1: So our bad guy running turns a corner through like a, a asphalt parking lot at a gas station and he runs out of his shoes, come off. He's still running, he drops his cell phone, and then he falls down. Just before the shooting goes down, he falls down and, um, and that's when he loses the bottle of cognac. He held onto that. He, you know, he lost his shoes and his cell phone before that cognac went, and then the cop turns the corner and he's chasing the guy and all of a sudden the cop pulls his gun out and boom, shoots the guy. It, it was, it was a very fast double tap. It sounded like a single gunshot, but there were two shots fired. And the bad guy goes down and, uh, and ends up dying. Now, what they, what, what really ... And I have it in the show notes. If you go back and you watch the replay and they've got, like, a slow motion. Oh my gosh, it shows all the stuff we just don't see with the naked eye, right? And it shows ...

[38:53] Speaker 1: When the guy goes down on the ground and he drops his cognac, it shows something in his hand. It looks like a gun, can't really tell. But then when he's running, just before the shots are fired, I'll b- you know, I'll be damned if that gun, while he's f- it, it looks like, it ... Lookit, he's running with it, but it, it keeps going back further than what I would anticipate a runner holding it. It looked like he was intentionally aiming at the cop behind him, in all honesty, and, and, and the cop shoots him. And then they have to go to another source to find out that it really was a gun. It was a nine millimeter, you know, and, uh, and it was all justified. Of course it was justified. So, why this other, why did they start off this article with him being cleared by the, you know, Connecticut Office of Inspector General? I don't know. It drives me crazy. Chief Ralph, make sense of it for me, please.

[39:34] Speaker 3: Well, I don't know if we're gonna make sense of it, but I'll tell you this. I mean, I'm glad it was justified. Uh, but I'll tell you this right from the get-go, and you stated it, Chip. The call comes out, a man with a gun. I gotta be honest with you, I've been to a lot of man with gun calls. I just don't walk up on a car, you know, I have my gun out and I'm ready, I'm ready to go just in case, and I order them to come out and show their hands, okay? Um, they didn't do that. They walked on it like it was a, a, a casual traffic stop. That bothers me. That tells me, what is up here state of mind of threat, right? And then the female opens the door. I don't care female or male, but guess what? It's a female in this situation. She opened the door and her com- there's no command presence in her voice, right, number one. Number two, you always control the hands. "Hands, hands, hands. Let me see your hands." Well, he's got a phone and he's got a bottle, which is a weapon, all right?

[40:29] Speaker 3: He steps out and she's lucky he didn't hit her with the bottle, and he takes off. So, you know, I look at a shooting like this, which I r- review a lot of shootings, my, my, as my, my command. You know, if you don't control the body and the hands, you get in trouble. You get in trouble. And she is fortunate and the partner's fortunate. This man, this suspect didn't get a jump on them. This incident, I ... Look, thank God it's justified, but that incident didn't need to happen if they really took command presence and control of the situation.

[41:04] Speaker 1: Well-

[41:04] Speaker 3: And I did see the gun. I did see the gun when he fell too.

[41:08] Speaker 2: Yeah. The chief is dead-on about this shouldn't have happened. And as you know, Chip, I have, I've done the most exhaustive research on pre-attack indicators, behaviors before violence in law enforcement, and it's called FOCUS training. Uh, anybody interested in that, you can go to travisch.org. We certify officers around the country to not only use that system, but train in that system. And let me tell you what this is. The chief is right. 94% of all violent attacks against law enforcement, there was a, there was an amplifier present, meaning a call like the chief just described. You should be acting more tactical when you get there. So yes, that's the first mistake. Second mistake, 41% of all officer-involved shootings occur during foot pursuits. So, stop pulling your taser out during a foot pursuit. And when it comes to controlling hands, the chief is right. 58% of violence against law enforcement is preceded by a concealment of hands. And so, these are basic law enforcement.

[42:00] Speaker 2: The research didn't surprise me. The only thing that surprised me is no one had done it, right? No one had done it. And so, we have validated pre-b, behavior cues so officers will stop doing what we're seeing in these videos and acting like this is a normal stop. It's not normal, and this hit on everything we talked about. And this shooting shouldn't have happened for the very reason the chief said, 'cause if you knew the research, you wouldn't have acted the way they acted.

[42:26] Speaker 3: Hey, you know, somethi- something else, we'd love to have a deeper conversation with you, Travis, maybe on a phone call. This is the problem today, this day and age. These young officers are ... They're worried about lawsuits, they're worried about the body wear cam. You gotta take control of these situations 'cause you know why? All my information from LA from my previous department, the guy, the investigators as I moved up, they're telling me, "Hey, Ralphie, they're, they're ..." The cops are hesitant to take command because they're worried about phones and this and that. But, listen, please, if ... People, young officers watching this, take command of the situation. Hands will kill. Hands will kill.

[43:11] Speaker 1: Well, excellent content, gentlemen. Thank you guys so much for being on the show. Uh, Chief Ralph Ornelas from California, and also, we've got Dr. Travis Shakes, retired police major from Tulsa. Uh, appreciate it, guys. I usually take this time to talk about The Wounded Blue at thewoundedblue.org. Lieutenant Randy Sutton's 501 (c) (3) , helping cops out on the world of hurt that are suffering from things like PTSD and other issues. If you guys are interested in more information, all you have to do is go to The Wounded Blue at thewoundedblue.org. Got the website up there on the screen as well. Um, guys, we've got about 30 seconds. Any, uh, any final words to our listening audience or, uh ... I know, uh, Chief Ralph, you do a lot of fentanyl training as well. Any final words to anybody?

[43:49] Speaker 3: I just plead to the parents and the youth of our communities, please don't get on Snapchat. You cannot buy any medication on Snapchat that's legitimate or legal.

[44:01] Speaker 1: Oh. Yeah. That's a good, that's a good point. And, uh, and that's an issue. And of course, we've got our, our, uh, m- Mexican initiative where we're helping them out as well with our Special Forces teams, which has kind of, uh, uh, never been done before that I know of. And I know you've got some experience, you know, down there as well, so ... In fact, you're probably sitting on a lot of intel from down there, Chief, so. Um, hey, uh, a shout-out again to our sponsors, gulls.com, complianttechnologies.com, gunlearn.com, medicare.lifesaverrecruiting, and tubebells.com. We'll see you guys back tomorrow at 12 noon Eastern.

[44:32] Speaker 1: (upbeat music)