SPEAKER_02:  Welcome, Leo Roundtable at leo roundtable.com. My name is Chip de Block and I'm your host, we're a group of law enforcement professionals that talk about today's news and issues, but we do it from a law enforcement perspective. Let me introduce the crew, guys. If you don't mind waiting for the video portion of our show, we've got a doctor, Travis Yates, retired police major from the Tulsa Police Department. That's right. Also Lieutenant Randy Sutton, he is the founder of the Wounded Blue, the Wounded Blue Dot org. Also, he is a retired Las Vegas Metro Police Lieutenant. Yeah, imagine that. And then we've got Danny King. He's very serious today. And so Danny is, you've actually, Danny's actually got a few things going on. I'm looking here to see if I can see with the last one what the C focus certified.com. That's going to be Travis Yates. Danny, Danny, I'm trying to find your side here because I know that you said you were taking down the one side. How can people find you right now? What do you got going on on the on the internet right now, Danny?
SPEAKER_00:  Reasonable officer.com.
SPEAKER_02:  It's a can't can't hear your Danny, but, but it sounded like reasonable officer.com. You got to get a different mic hooked up there and your interface for that is on the bottom left of the screen. So guys also want to cover, you know, what we're going to be talking about as well. These are stories just to what the appetite that I tell you before we go there, let's go and talk about our sponsors. So our sponsors, we have our title sponsor, goals at goals.com. Don't forget that discount code. It's radio 15. So type in radio one five in order to get 15% up your next order. Also comply technologies.com or satellite sponsor. We have gunler.com my Medicare dot live to bells.com. They built a new online store at leo roundtable.com. I shout out to the three guys that are helping get this content out there. We've got a very own Travis Yates with law officer.com Brian Burns with the Tampa free press attempt at FBE.com and readdetricformalalman.com. So thanks to all those entities for helping make this show happen. And also we are on in Scott started launched me to remind people you can find if there's a podcast platform, we're on it guys if you're in the podcasting. So and we're certainly on Spotify and Apple iTunes to the most popular and as far as radio goes, you were on so many stations go to leo roundtable.com and look at that many to find out what radio stations out of the 47 around the country that were on. Also a social media rumbled YouTube Facebook Twitter formerly extrude social a lot more. So make sure that you guys check it out now. Let's what the appetite and what we're going to be talking about now. There is a the second topic is could be one that rainy brought up before we went live. So and that's from across the pond. So we'll be bringing that up as a second story. The first one is going to be Florida Senator Ashley Moody is introducing a bill that's going to crack down on criminals who are targeting police dogs and horses. And then we've got we got a story with a well we got a couple stories with a with some newtities stuff we're talking about. The first one Florida man arrested after allegedly thrusting at doorbell camera and a G string. And then we've got a story with a video component a naked guy shot dead by Louisville Metro police officer after he assaults multiple people. Now I want to point out that the cop shot, you know, this naked guy. So people from the outside looking in there are the window or the ability to be able to shoot people or naked is limited, right? Because they're not armed with anything if they're well, if they're I guess if they're naked, you're going to know if they're armed or not. This guy was not armed, but he still got shot. So we're going to discuss that and whether that was appropriate or not. Obviously his clothing attire was not. Then we got officer arrested after allegedly pointing a firearm at a fellow cop over microwaving a fish. Now I'm going to let you guys wonder whether the fish was a live or dead until we get there. Then we got body cam video showing Miami day deputy fatally shooting a woman that's armed with a knife. And these are two female bathroom stories back to back. So yeah, the first one Miami day deputy, she comes out of the bathroom, Marmar with a knife. And then we've got we got Louisville and body cam, police bait, shooting another woman. She's holding a glass object during a mental crisis that she's coming out of the bathroom. And then we got an ex New York trooper sentenced in a 2020 through a through weight crash that killed an 11 year old girl. If we cover that, it's interesting how that ended up going down. And then SCOTUS declines to hear qualified immunity case allowing a Michigan officer to be sued over use of force. And so most of the time the qualified immunity comes in on civil cases, not criminal as it does on this one. And then lastly, Ohio police chief who visited a Cincinnati public school while claiming to be with ICE, she ended up getting fired. And yeah, the officer that she went with one of the officers ended throwing kind of under the bus a little bit. So if you guys are ready, let's go and cover the first one. It's a the it's one of two main topics that we have. So tamper free press at Tampa, Epi.com Florida Senator Ashley Moody introduces a bill they crack down on criminals who target police dogs and horses. You know, I love Ashley Moody. I'm not saying that just because she's from Florida, she took over the AG spot from Pam body when Pam body left the AG position for Florida. And now of course, Ashley is a Senator, a US Senator. So this bill introduced in Washington, DC, it aims to significantly increase the criminal penalties for individuals who intentionally harm or kill law enforcement animals. It's sponsored by our very own Senator Ashley Moody from Florida and it's called the Leo canine protection act. It targets offenders who use deadly weapons against federal police dogs and they're throwing horses in as well while they're, you know, in the line of duty. We've had if you guys have been, I'm not talking to the panelists. I'm talking to the the the users, the listeners, the viewers. If you've been paying attention, you know, we've got some writing stuff going on where they're actually thrown like two by fours of horses heads, you know, trying to hurt them. So so these are like penalty enhancements and statutes that take care of that. There is one thing I wish it had. I actually yesterday contacted Moody's office to see if there was any way they could get it added. But the bill is named in honor of canine Leo, a fallen canine deputy from Marion County Sheriff's office here in Florida and services a companion bill to legislation that's already been introduced into the US House of Representatives. And that is being done by Congressman Aaron Bean. So he introduced it to the house. Ashley's introduced it to the Senate and and Ashley Moody goes on to talk about these highly trained animals, both canines and horses. They help law enforcement apprehend dangerous criminals, detect narcotics and explosives, assistant searches and find missing persons, save lives, et cetera. And that and that we need we need to protect them. And beyond increasing criminal penalties for the the attackers, the bill also introduces logistical and legal protections. It's pretty much like if if you're a good Samaritan trying to save these animals, that's what it does. And it also authorizes emergency medical providers to go in and transport these animals to medical facilities. Because you know, we just covered a story recently where they tried to jam up a dude and with fire rescue over the ambulance, providing medical assistance, trying to save a canine. The canine died. I see Randy shaking his head. You know, he remembers the story, but you know, they didn't they could have prosecuted this guy and gone for it. They decided not to, but this kind of takes care of that. Let me just add one more thing before we talk about this. I have we had Anthony Bandaro. He is our search and seizure guy attorney on the show. And he when we were talking about a specific canine story where the handler released his dog, he didn't run up to the bad guy with the dog. Bad guy was armed with a knife, bad guy stabbed in the dog. And and you know, we're screaming like, man, why, why doesn't the other cop with the long rifle take the guy out? And then Anthony Bandaro pointed out reminded us all that, Hey, look, you know, even though canines are treated as police officers, you know, when they're injured and killed through the penalty enhancement, it's like, you know, killing the officer on, you know, you know, in line of duty. We cannot protect them using lethal force. They're considered to permit property. Same is pretty much true with the horses from what I understand. So some cops don't realize that. Uh, uh, a lot of cops do. We've had two or three stories where cops have actually killed a bad guy harming their police dog. They have not been prosecuted. Although they could have been prosecuted. And then I found out the other day that NYPD when Darren Porchivers on the show, they actually have a policy allowing officers to use lethal to protect the canine. But the state statute does not support that. They could still get jammed up. So I asked Ashley Moody, there's any way that they could do it in the denim or, or, or add that into the statute. I know it's federal. It won't necessarily carry over the state, but it would be a start. So that's, I just want to throw that in before we talk about it. So, um, so guys, what do you think about this, um, this thing? It's on the federal level. Um, but we have to start somewhere. Travis Shakes.
SPEAKER_03:  Yeah, it is amazing to me that with everything the federal government puts their hands in, right? I mean, police reform this police reform act that they have yet to do this. Many states have already done this. I actually had a hand in turn of this into a felony crime in Oklahoma when I found out it was just a misdemeanor to do whatever you want to do it to a police dog. But it's kind of wild that the federal government just now is getting around the doing it. So I applaud Ashley for doing it. I think it's going to be very interesting to see how the left side of the aisle votes on this because I don't think they'll be inclined to vote for it. But then you had the animal aspect in it that they're going to kind of be pulled pulled from. So this is probably something that's not even partisan. This is a bipartisan thing. I mean, who would argue this, but they will argue this and it probably won't even come up for a vote the way things are going in DC.
SPEAKER_02:  All right. All right. You're probably right now this next door. Oh, Ray, did you want to comment on this one?
SPEAKER_01:  Yeah. Um, as you said, I think this is a good start. It should be statutorily included in every state so that because right now, I mean, the vast majority of police animals, canines and horses are not federal. Now they're being utilized, you know, at Delaney and other places now, but the vast majority are within the states. So there's still no protection against, you know, in many states that have not included this. There's still one aspect of this that I find interesting and that that that is, um, it statutorily mandates medical treatment for the animals. Well, here's something interesting.
SPEAKER_02:  Well, it author it authorizes it doesn't mandate it. It authorizes them the transport, but I, um, but it doesn't mandate. They get the, it's their discretion.
SPEAKER_01:  I think that the way I read it, that there's a mandatory aspect to this to treating the animals that they have to, that they have to receive medical treatment.
SPEAKER_02:  No, no, I, I, I, I'll go through and I'll, I'll go back and, uh, and read this again. And because I, I highlighted that because I am, so I'm going to drop down to the bottom of the article and it says that, um, the act instructs the US Department of Transportation to issue regulations explicitly authorizing emergency metal service providers to transport injured animals to medical facilities at their discretion. Okay.
SPEAKER_01:  I thought there, I thought I read something else in that, that, that talked about mandating that the animal actually received treatment, but maybe I misread it. Could I just, I was just going to say that I could be, I could be wrong, but because I was just thinking, you know, we, we don't have anything statutorily that mandates that police officers be effectively treated.
SPEAKER_02:  And that's one of the things we, that's a great, that's a great point. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:  Yeah. We have seen all over the, all over the country is officers not being given the proper medical treatment. Um, and of course that's why the wounded blue exists, uh, because of issues like that.
SPEAKER_02:  Yeah. You brought, but you're hitting on a good point too, because you said that most of the time they're there in state, you're right. This, I know that this bill also covers them up there and we're 13 seconds out from our break. If they're on a federal task force or working with the feds, they're covered automatically, all good points. Guys, first commercial break. We're talking about goals. We'll be right back. My family only cares about one thing that I come home safe and goals.
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SPEAKER_02:  Welcome back. Leo Roundtable at leo roundtable.com, the long force, but talk show. My name is Chip the block and I'm your host. We're joined by Dr. Travis H. retired police major from Tulsa, Lieutenant Randy Sutton founder of the windablu, the windablu.org. We've got officer Danny King as well in the Las Vegas area. We've had a great conversation about Ashley Moody, Senator from Florida. She's got a bill going before the Senate enhancing. It's an enhancement statute for penalties against criminals that target police, animals like canines and horses. I love it. I know that Randy, of course, he steps away from the microphone. Why are we getting ready to go into the next story that he's supposed to be covering? Danny, do you want to cover anything about the previous story involving the canines and the horses?
SPEAKER_00:  No, most most states in Nevada, we have a statute and we prosecute guys for injuring animals.
SPEAKER_02:  All right. I love it. So Lieutenant Randy Sutton, before the show started, you brought up a story from across the pond that I had read a little bit about. I'm obviously not as familiar with it as you are. So would you mind educating us and bringing us up to speak? Because I know that you're going to appear on Newsmax after this show talking about this topic, I believe.
SPEAKER_01:  Yeah, so there was a murder that took place in England. The murder was committed by a seat. And it was as a result of an altercation that took place. The seat stabbed multiple times a white male who was, I think, 19 years old that had no criminal history, no interactions with the law, apparently just a stand-up kid. Stabbed multiple times, the police were called. And while this, and this is captured on the body cam of the officer, the kid who was stabbed is begging for help and telling the officer, I've been stabbed. And the officer says, I don't think so, mate, and let him bleed to death, choking on his own blood while he doesn't even handcuff the murderer. And now as a result of this, now this happened in December, but it's now just coming out of what actually took place because the body cam footage was released. They have laws now in England which statutorily require the police to treat people differently depending on their race. And it is an anti-white set of laws. And what this has now become public in such an incredibly horrendous way. And now rage is taking place. They just had some riots as a result of this, which is very interesting, that whites are rioting because of the situation over there. Now here's why I think this is an important topic to discuss. What they have done is they have created politics over policing. They have statutorily required the police to act differently because of people's race rather than treat people the same. Now why is that important to the discussion here in America? It's because we're seeing the beginnings of that here in America. We are seeing statutorily states and various cities creating policies and laws which are designed to encourage policing to act differently depending on the race of people. For instance, there are now states and there are cities that do not allow the police to enforce what they call minor violations. Now this is designed for one purpose, to keep the police from interacting with minorities. That is the design of these laws. So what we're seeing now is the beginnings of politics over policing here in America. And the inevitable result is now been demonstrated in England with the horrendous way that this young man was treated by the police and by the criminal court system. And that's why I think it's important to discuss.
SPEAKER_02:  Well, all that certainly was not in the article that I saw. So I'm glad you brought it up on the day show. And my fear now is that people just aren't going to, if they're watching Newsmax, they're going to be aware of it. But it's not in the national media right now. I mean, I just haven't seen it. I just saw one article about it and it didn't have all that information. So wow.
SPEAKER_00:  Well, Randy, if you step back and you actually look at it, if you step back and look at it, it's easy for us to see as Americans what you're talking about. But what really has been the difference in the changes of the laws in the United States over the last 10 years, right? It's not based in fact, it's not based in reality. It's politics, right? And not only is it politics, it's counter to what the American citizen wants, right? The American citizen wants a peaceful America and people have, via the laws, change those things, right? To support criminals and make it harder for cops to do their job, make it easier to sue and criminally charge cops. And so, you know, I don't see it as any different over there than it is here.
SPEAKER_03:  Yeah, I don't see this at the, we're at the beginning of it. We've been knee deep in this since we started kneeling for a lie in 2020. I mean, this is, it radically shifted internationally law enforcement all over the place and you can even argue just race relations in general. And we still haven't given back on that lie. You know, I was sort of doing a list of all the lies that we put up with all these years that have led to this. Of course, the big lie is that, you know, that there's a systematic racism in policing. That's the overarching lie that nobody wants to discuss. We just make all these changes. Well, no one's proven that. There's no proof at all in that. In fact, when you look at the literature on that, police activity falls directly along the lines of criminal activity. Meaning if you're listening to this and if you think there's disparity in your department, run your part one crimes. Why is part one crime important? We don't, we don't predict. We don't get to say who's committing those crimes. Those are real victims, right? Robbery, homicide, burglary, part one crimes. You run the part one crimes, break down the demographics of that, then break down your police activity, stop, arrest, this and that. They're going to fall within just a few percentages points to each other every single time. But nobody wants to talk about that. They just want to say, oh, disparity, let's change everything up to what you're talking about, Randy.
SPEAKER_02:  Well, perfect. Straight way for our next commercial break. So thanks guys. All those thoughts, we're going to jump right back in after we come back from commercial break. We'll see you in just a second. All right, guys. It's time to talk about complaint technologies at complainttechnologies.com. And they're committed to providing non lethal solutions to help officers gain the upper hand safely and rapidly in a humane low optics manner, utilizing their CD3, which stands for conductive distraction and de-escalation device technology. Now, their flagship product, we all know by now is called the glove. It's not only they helped officers tens of thousands of times, but they had, they've had over 250,000 deployments. And guess what? No injuries, no deaths. Re-escalation stat. They've actually achieved non lethal status in an arena that predominantly can only offer less lethal results. And when it comes to weapons retention, transitioning to a sidearm or a conductive and energy weapon, the glove of a complainttechnologies.com, they virtually eliminated weapons confusion. So stay at the game with complaint technologies and their revolutionary CD3. The hundreds of agencies have already turned to nationwide and friends take it for me when it comes to safety. This is one of those common sense hands on solutions to ever come along, go to the complainttechnologies.com the day, tell them that chips at you, complete technologies.com. Welcome back. Leo Roundtable at Leo Roundtable.com, the law enforcement talk show. My name is Chip de Bloch. I'm your host. We're joined by Dr. Travis Shakes, Lieutenant Randy Sutton, and also Officer Danny King. So thanks guys for being here. Now, I know that before commercial break, we've been talking about something that kind of Randy brought up about across the pond in England, a stab at that happened, and they're treating the kid differently. And seemingly because he's white and the stabber wasn't. And we've also got some commentary. We got a handle, a guy that's viewing it on the stream, spook dog. He put down that was on social media. And then he also wrote something interesting, saying the content providers are asking people what the difference is between this situation in England where we have this white kid getting stabbed by a foreigner and George Floyd and why it isn't getting the same news coverage. And he says the answers are unreal. So Travis is raising his hand and I was wanting to go on this, but Travis Shakes, but you're familiar with Liz Collin too. So go ahead, Travis, take it.
SPEAKER_03:  The difference, this kid wasn't committing a felony. This kid wasn't resisting arrest. This kid wasn't taking massive amounts of fentanyl that would kill a horse. This kid had not committed multiple felonies in prison time before this happened. That's the main difference. Oh, there's one other big difference that a big one. They leave that up to their imagination.
SPEAKER_02:  Yeah. Well, I'll say it. George Floyd was a murder and people that that wanted to bait that I guarantee you they have not read Liz Collin's book called their line or seen the fall of Minneapolis, the documentary. But anyhow, I'm glad I'm glad you took that. Well, we got some more. We got Randy Sutton getting ready the way. So go ahead, Randy.
SPEAKER_01:  Oh, I think I've already I've spun my, my web already.
SPEAKER_02:  I saw your mic open. I thought you wanted to add some more on that. So good comment.
SPEAKER_01:  I could talk about this all day long, but there is one other aspect that hasn't been, that hasn't been covered, which is tangentially associated with it. And that is that it just came out that that the AC, excuse me, the Southern poverty law has now has now been found to have given millions of dollars to fund the hate given money to the Ku Klux Klan and to other racist organizations to actually full meant the the hatred and so that basically to justify their own existence. Yeah. So this was made public, but the amount of money that they spent has just been determined to be in the in the hundreds of millions of dollars.
SPEAKER_03:  It's a great business plan, right? We'll spend, we'll spend millions of dollars to make people stay in the KKK, but we fundraise off of it and make 10 times that. Listen, don't look at this stuff. Oh, then you know, I don't think that American policing isn't following suit folks. The largest deescalation program in America that's been funded to the tune of over a hundred million dollars called I cat training brought to us by perf. Okay. They got that training from the Scottish police. That was their enlightenment. The Scottish police don't carry guns. And the number of homicides in Scotland with the gun is right around zero each year. The violent crime rate in Scotland is eight X less than America, but because there's not a lot of use to force in Scotland, they brought their techniques to America that is then ballooned the officer assault and used to force rate in America to record highs. So don't think you don't have police organizations fawning over these foreign countries and their policies that they've implemented.
SPEAKER_01:  You hit the nail on the head because the FBI statistics just came out about officers assaulted in the line of duty. We're at over 90,000 reports now.
SPEAKER_03:  90,000. I'm playing that and believe in the FBI, Randy, only 12,000 departments submitted that data. It's been a trajectory high since 2019. We've never seen a trend like that. And nobody wants to talk about it. It's directly correlated with all these so-called police reforms that some we have gotten from places like the United Kingdom, where we're granted, we're talking about the horrible things that are happening. Why do you think it's happening? And what do you think we've brought over here across the pond? The organizations that are doing that need to be held accountable because the officers on the streets that are impacted and the communities that are impacted, they don't have a choice. We're just giving this out of a bunch of nonsense because the money is flowing that way.
SPEAKER_02:  Hey, guys, let me just say before we rotate out of this one on that George Floyd thing, yesterday we covered the story about Minneapolis police chief O'Hara. He's gone, thank God that guy. He was just like a parent for the mayor, for Jacob Frey. And then we had the female that was appointed. They just got rid of her, or someone else in, but I can't remember her name. But she's the same one that a bunch of guys came forward and signed a ton of affidavit saying that she lied during the George Floyd trial because she said that the maneuver or the hold that that Derek Chauvin put on George Floyd, that they didn't train that as absolutely false and absolute lie. And if you read Liz Collins book, their line, you'll see a picture from the training manual of the exact physician that Derek Chauvin had George Floyd in, which was almost crucial to him getting convicted. And you had people like that female that was the chief. Now she's been removed. They were absolutely lying about it. So yeah, so don't be misled in the thinking that this was a murder at all of this George Floyd and Travis gave you the rest of the update. If I don't words Randy or Indiana too, I want to move on. But your mics are open. So anything else?
SPEAKER_01:  I'm done.
SPEAKER_00:  Any no, it'll take forever because we could talk about this forever. We're hurting ourselves.
SPEAKER_02:  All right. So let's have a little fun. We got a couple of naked stories that we're going to come up and I say fun. I mean, it would be more fun. They're not female naked stories. I know you guys are wondering about me now, but they're male naked stories. We got tamper free press Tampa FBE calm Florida man arrested after allegedly thrusting a doorbell camera and a G string. So look, the downside of the story is it's a mind neck of the woods is Florida. And when we have these WAC jobs, it seems like normally they're not in Las Vegas for Randy's at or Danny's at they're not in Tulsa, which Travis, they're here in Florida with me. So the 79 year old Florida man faces multiple charges after allegedly exposing himself to neighbors. He's confronting a police officer while we're in a G a G string thong. And that Tyrone James Causey arrested May 22nd residents. This is down the Hollywood. So it's further south from me, closer to Miami. According to the Hollywood police department, neighbors were frustrated with the sky. This behavior is repeated and includes walking through common areas while making Lou gestures and thrusting his exposed directly at the neighbor's doorbell camera, which apparently recorded it. So he had something nice to wake up to when officers have been a hutch and son arrives, and they don't say it's a female, but I hope it ain't a dude named Savannah, unless he's a dancer arrives at this guy's residence to investigate the complaints. The dude answers the door. We're in only the G string thong. While talking with the officer, he reportedly cited a Florida statute saying that he had a legal right to be naked in the apartment complex and it only illegal. New to the only play to like park stuff like that. And he then applied lipstick. He touched his, you know what? And he told officer Hutchinson, Hey, jump rope for me, baby doll. I mean, this is the way we roll in Florida. So authorities, they interview five separate neighbors. They get the story straight and they charge him with five counts of indecent exposure and and lewd behavior. And he's got a, he's been previously arrested for stuff like this before. So we don't even have the, Danny, I know you're Mike, so when did you want to comment on this before we go to the next one? Or are you just teasing me?
SPEAKER_00:  Yeah, no, this seems like a Florida, Las Vegas. Also Albuquerque thing to do. I don't get it.
SPEAKER_02:  But whatever, taking the heat off the Florida, I appreciate that. So so on that note, let's jump toward next neck.
SPEAKER_01:  Wait a minute. I want to know what color the G string was.
SPEAKER_02:  You want it? I can make one up for you, but I they let that to our imagination, apparently. So at rumble.com, this is butter, our favorite long-form video channel. We got a naked guy shot dead by Louisville, not to police officer after assaulting multiple people.
SPEAKER_04:  His name. What's his name? Right here. Tom is going to come for you. Hold your hands behind your back. Do it now. Not you. Put your hands by your back. Now, show me your hands. Show me your hands now. Show me your other hand. Show me your right hand. Show me your other hand now. Stop. Stop walking towards me. Show me your hand. Show me your other hand. Stop. Stop. Stop.
None:  Stop walking towards me.
SPEAKER_04:  Stop walking towards me. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop.
None:  One. One Baker shots fired.
SPEAKER_04:  One Baker shots fired. Get down the ground. Now the guy was not armed.
SPEAKER_02:  I just throw that out there in the beginning, but listen to all this happens. This guy shot dead. Louisville Metro Police Officer. He allegedly assaulted multiple people Saturday night. Now the man was identified as Martin Nittskin Jr. He's only 27 years old. He's from Louisville. And according to the Louisville Metro Police Department, Deputy Chief Ryan Bates, the officers responded to multiple calls around 9.27 p.m. There's an assault. This is on a Saturday, May the 30th. And police are told that at least three people have been assaulted and that they needed medical attention. So the agency was informed that the suspect's running down the road nude. Witnesses point out the suspect when the cops get there and they see him sitting in the middle of the street naked. And I remember the officer, there's really two main commands. He says, hey, show me both hands because the guy's only showing one hand at a time and his hand looks like it's behind his back. And they got part of him dithered of course because, you know, he's, he's nude. And then the dude stands up and he starts walking towards the police officer. And now that now the orders change from, hey, show me both hands. So like, hey, dude, stop, you know, stop coming at me. And then the officer ends up shooting the guy. The officer had his gun out the whole time suspect eventually declared dead, but suspect clearly not armed. Danny, I know you cover this all the time. You've got around 30 seconds before we take our commercial break, Danny.
SPEAKER_00:  Yeah. So the city fire or county Louisville Metro Fire. We have yet to see the facts of the case.
SPEAKER_02:  And I would take part of the officer. Yeah. Okay.
SPEAKER_00:  Wow. Yeah, they fired him pretty quickly. And I would just add that, you know, just because he's fired doesn't actually mean he did anything wrong. I'm working on a case right now where an officer was charged and really didn't do anything wrong. It's just that rush to judge me. Now, again, I'm not saying the rush to judge me.
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SPEAKER_00:  Yeah, fired. Yeah, fired. Some other things to think about Chip is that we see the video and we see what happened. And we saw the video as it progressed and this is butter video. But think about an officer is driving towards this scene and he's hearing things like someone has a weapon. Although I understand it's a civilian. The other thing that you're hearing violence, you're hearing that he just flipped out. You're also hearing that he strangled people. And that's what he's reading on the MDT or hearing in the transmission. And then this individual while you have your weapon presented is closing the distance, right? And so it's not like it's just a fistfight. You have your weapon and he's about probably within three to four feet of that weapon. So again, I'm not saying that it's reasonable because the facts matter, but it's not just a naked guy.
SPEAKER_02:  And I know Travis is he's getting ready to go. My whole thing is is that I'm not going to get in a fight with a bad guy with my guns out. But look, if I have, you know what, I always flashback to the burglary and progress of a jewelry store. And I've got a deputy that shows up there and you got a guy behind the counter and the deputy he's got his gun pointed at the burglar. Burglar comes around, doesn't not appear to be armed. And so now the deputy makes the mistake. He thinks he has time. The holster's weapon is going to go hands on with the bad guy. But when the deputy goes to the holster, bad guy charges him. Guess what? Now they're fighting over a gun. Well, the deputy has got both hands on his gun because he's trying to retain it. Bad guys got one hand on the gun and he's and he's using the other hand to strike the deputy. And that's the situation you don't want to be in. So I always, I'm always cautious if the, if the officer drew down the guy and thought that maybe he was armed because he only seen one hand at a time and by the time he realizes that the guy's already approached him, he says, look, I don't have time to holster my weapon. In my opinion, it's completely justified shoot because you're already, you know, nothing where no law requires you, the holster, your weapon, the deescalate, you know, in order to go hands on the guy when he's approaching you. So that's my, that's my position on it. Travis Yates.
SPEAKER_03:  I think we've sold the public a lie and our chief chiefs have done it mainly where we put officers in these positions and we expect them to be Superman and do these miraculous things. I would, you know, that police chief in Louisville, whoever it is, they have an acting chief every other week because of the disaster of that city under a consent decree. You know, he made a big deal about this does not match our, this does not match what we're about and blah, blah, blah. I would say, what are you, what are you about? Because your officer is just like Danny said, here in all this information, right? He's assaulted somebody as a potential weapon there. He's not following commands. He's hiding hands as he's trying to approach. I would love to know what they expect the officer to do. Have they provided that type of training where the officer can just host her as gun and, and just because it's easy for us and him to go, well, clearly he didn't have a gun. Well, no, that's not, that's not how we judge law enforcement. The courts have been very clear. You just law enforcement based what they know at the time into a, in a very high stress tense situation, right? It's dark. His hands are moving quickly. They're going from the behind his back by a cocky's concealing something to the front of his body. And the officer clearly has not been given any, any reason to believe this guy is not dangerous. Obviously he's already committed crimes and assaulted people before. So I just think that we have really, you know, whether it's all of this crazy language that we provide with San Antonio live and deescalation, all these type of weird things. Well, none of that's impacted the safety of law enforcement. In fact, it's made things worse for law enforcement used to force his up officer or salt her up. So I would love to know what that police chief thinks we ought to do. All too easy for him when he's sitting behind his air conditioned chair in his office, watching a video several times, making his, making his public comments on what he's doing. And so I think it's just very unusual of what we're seeing. And I would not shock me one bit this officer as I get his job right back. They may bring charges on him. It would just probably be doesn't get acquitted because juries tend to understand all this once people slow everything down and start explaining the rules, we should be holding law enforcement to and not some whatever reform language or voodoo that we're trying to throw at law enforcement today.
SPEAKER_02:  So I got four minutes. If you guys are done, we can well have time to cover the New York trip or sentenced in that throwaway crash. If that's you guys up for that?
SPEAKER_01:  One question that I have. Did any information come out about the toxicology of this guy? And what because clearly he was either completely out of his mind or he was under the influence of something. We have seen the people that are getting naked and fighting with the police. We've seen this countless times when, when people are, you know, experiencing excited delirium and they have, they have superhuman strength. So there's more to this story than we're getting.
SPEAKER_03:  That's why I thought. No, the Louisville chief knows it, Randy. He knows they've been trained in excited delirium. He knows they've been, they've been training what PCP does to people. He knows the superior strength they have because taking your clothes off during that drug is very common. He knows this officer was trained to understand the danger of this, but he just wants to ignore it to play little games on television.
SPEAKER_02:  Even, even without those factors, if I don't, if I don't think I have time to hold for my gun, I'm shooting them. I'm not going to get in a fight over my gun with a, with a naked, with a naked bad guy.
SPEAKER_00:  But, um, look, uh, there's probably what was going to happen. I mean, the guy is, is three to four feet in closing. We know that the body camera distorts the distance. Um, but there's no indication that this guy was going to surrender, but there is every indication that he was disassociated from reality and walking towards the officer. So, um, it, it's also not pretend like there is an answer. If we looked at that officer's training, I'm willing to bet there is no training in this situation. What's a whatever, what he experienced, he experienced for the first time right then.
SPEAKER_02:  W. A. M. C. Dot org X New York trooper sentenced in a 20, 20, third way crash that killed the 11 year old girl. I'm going to cut this really short because of time. So I remember he's an X New York state trooper. He doesn't work through anymore. He got sentenced to two and a half to seven and a half years in prison in Ulster County court on Tuesday in the ramming death of 11 year old girl. So here we, we have trooper Christopher Baldner uses police car. Look, there's a, it's the goods family. Um, and, uh, the car is going a hundred miles an hour. So let me cut down to the chase here and we've got, uh, we got two people from W. A. M. C. Elias Guerrero and Lucas Willard that are talking about that in 2020. Then trooper Christopher Baldner pulls over Tristan goods that that's the name. Tristan. I thought it was a girl's name. You're saying it's the dad, um, who was driving over a hundred miles an hour on the New York state through, with, through away. And, uh, according to the defense, Tristan goods, the father refused to show his ID. At that point, trooper used pepper spray on the, on the dad, the driver, prosecutors say it escalated the initial incident and then he'd end up driving off. Now the trooper falls to vehicle. It's going over a hundred miles an hour. And then twice rams the vehicle. It's also carrying goods wife and his two daughters. The second hit, which was at 130 miles an hour, caused the car to flip over, land on a guard rail and an 11 year old daughter named Monica goods ends up dying. Um, at the initial trial in November, trooper Baldner found not guilty and murder. Jury was hung on the manslaughter charge. And then they had a retrial and he got convicted on manslaughter charge at the conclusion of the second trial, March 13th. Danny King.
SPEAKER_00:  Well, um, I'm shocked by this. I'm so confused by this actually. I don't understand the dynamic in which the father was not charged. And there could be more to this story, but the father is the one that fled the traffic stop. He was a sovereign citizen. He was saying the sovereign words, um, how he got pepper sprayed. I don't know if he resisted, but ultimately at the end of the day, his daughter was the, the subject's daughter was in the car understrained while he fled at a hundred plus miles an hour and she was ejected from the car. Um, and in no way at no point was the father ever charged in this incident at all. So I'm confused by this.
SPEAKER_02:  Yeah. I agree.
SPEAKER_01:  This is a court by the next one. Another outrageous, um, another outrageous decision, uh, the, um, the fact that, and there were protests against law enforcement that were taking place outside the courthouse, um, blaming the racist police. And this was an 18 year trooper who had an unblemished record and now has been sacrificed on the altar of the, uh, of the left.
SPEAKER_02:  Well, guys, it's been another great show. Dr Travis Yates, Lieutenant Randy Sutton, Officer Danny King. Thank you guys so much. Um, Randy, take a, uh, take about 15 seconds. Talk about the wounded blue.
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