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Speaker 1 - Host: Identified as Chip DeBlock because the host introduces himself at the beginning of the program and leads each transition, sponsor read, and topic setup.

Speaker 2 - Sheriff Mark Crider: Identified as the sheriff from Walla Walla County, Washington. The transcript gives several inconsistent spellings of his last name, so the spelling should be verified.

Speaker 3 - Dr. Travis Yates: Identified as a retired Tulsa Police Department major, author of The Courageous Police Leader, and founder of LawOfficer.com. The transcript initially misrenders his last name, but later references Travis Yates and LawOfficer.com.

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Speaker 1 - Host: Welcome to Leo Roundtable at leoroundtable.com. My name is Chip DeBlock, and I am your host. We are a group of law enforcement professionals who talk about today’s news and issues, but we do it from a law enforcement perspective.

I am going to introduce the crew. Guys, if you do not mind waving for the video portion of our show, we have Sheriff Mark Crider all the way from Walla Walla County in the state of Washington, wine country, basically. At least that is what he tells me. We have Dr. Travis Yates, retired major from the Tulsa Police Department and author of The Courageous Police Leader. Thanks for being back on the show, Doctor. He is also the founder of LawOfficer.com, so you have to love that as well. Thank you, Travis.

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Also, a shout-out to all the guys who are helping us out with the show and making it as big as it is today. That includes Travis Yates, our very own, from LawOfficer.com. Did I use the correct name when I named your website earlier? Did I say Law Officer, Travis, or did I say something else?

Speaker 3 - Dr. Travis Yates: Yes, LawOfficer.com.

Speaker 1 - Host: I did? Okay, I wanted to make sure I got it right. LawOfficer.com, formerlawman.com with Ray Dietrich, and TampaFP.com, which is the Tampa Free Press with Brian Byrne. Thanks to all those guys.

Scott Starks is always telling me, our Green Beret Delta Force guy, to say the outlets, too. He is a big podcast guy. If there is a podcast platform, Leo Roundtable is going to be on it. Specifically, we are on Spotify and Apple iTunes, which are two of the biggest. As far as social media, again, if you are on it, we are probably going to be on it: Rumble, YouTube, Facebook, Twitter, formerly X, Truth Social, and many more.

If you want to watch the show and find the most up-to-date way to do that, go to our website, leoroundtable.com. The top menu bar has listings of all the outlets we are on, with links to all of them.

With that said, let us go to the list of what we are going to be talking about. Speaking of events, we have the White House UFC fight. We were just talking about that. Ohio parents foil a 19-year-old’s plot to attack the White House UFC event with explosive drones.

I have to tell you, I found out about this from my wife. I was buried in the news and doing show prep, and she told me about it. She said there were a bunch of people caught up in this. I said, “We just know it must have been some extremist group,” or I was thinking radical Muslims, people from Iran, or something like that. That is not the case. It kind of blows my mind. Sheriff Mark Crider, formerly with the FBI, might be able to shed some light on that. I was taken aback by who was involved in this thing.

We also have another story. I am not going to cover the leaked 14-point draft. I do not know whether the information is accurate, and we covered a lot of that yesterday. But we do have the feds indicting 15 Antifa members for conspiring to injure federal officers. This is all from Minneapolis, which I love.

We have hot grease and stabbing. I want to include this because I am always talking about how, back in the 1980s, in a lot of Black families, especially with Black women, throwing boiling water or hot grease was an MO for being upset at boyfriends, husbands, and others. A lot of people who were not working in the projects are not familiar with that. It is foreign to them, and they think I am making this stuff up.

We have a cop who just got convicted for shooting someone who was throwing a pot of boiling water on him and his partner. He is sitting in a jail cell because of this. I am going to use this as another reminder that it is a very real thing that you have to be aware of, and also decide beforehand whether you are justified in using lethal force in a situation like that.

We have a Miami police officer fatally shooting a suspect when he runs through apartments armed with a gun. The guy ran out of his shoes. That was pretty comical. We have a suicidal woman fatally shot when she enters a home with two large knives. Then, if we have time to get to it, the Miami-Dade Sheriff’s Office releases body camera video of a deputy shooting an armed 15-year-old, unfortunately.

Let us go ahead and jump to it. Gentlemen, the first story is from Tampa Free Press at TampaFP.com: “Ohio Parents Foil 19-Year-Old’s Plot to Attack the White House UFC Event with Explosive Drones.” Sheriff, I am a little bit surprised at this story. It is pretty in-depth. It is from our buddy Brian Byrne from the Tampa Free Press.

In Ohio, a teenager faces multiple federal charges after his parents tipped off local law enforcement about his bulk weapons purchases, leading the FBI to uncover a coordinated plot to attack a weekend sporting event on the White House lawn using explosive-laden drones and snipers. Yes, there are other guys involved. The article gives his name. I am not going to entertain what he wants.

This bad guy from Knox County, Ohio, was charged in a federal criminal complaint filed on Monday in the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of Ohio. The counts against him include conspiracy to commit an offense against the United States, possession of a firearm in furtherance of a crime of violence, and attempted murder of an officer or employee of the United States.

According to the court documents, our bad guy confessed to being a team leader in an extremist group planning an assassination and bombing plot aimed at a UFC event scheduled for Sunday at the White House on June 14, where the president and members of Congress were in attendance.

The investigation started on the evening of June 10, when the bad guy’s mother called the Knox County Sheriff’s Office and the Danville Police Department to report a domestic disturbance. When officers got there, the father informed them that his son had recently spent about $3,000 of his graduation money to get tactical gear, ballistic plates, communications equipment, and thousands of rounds of ammunition.

The family must have been suspicious. They voluntarily turned over an AR-style rifle, a bullpup rifle painted with an American flag, and a shotgun to the police. I am sure he was not happy when he got home after that happened.

The bad guy’s father told responding officers that his teenage son had recently quit his job and was preparing to travel over the upcoming weekend to meet individuals he was interacting with online. They were going to do missions and reconnaissance together.

After the encounter, local police transported this bad guy to a hospital under a mental-crisis self-submission situation. They got ahold of the Joint Terrorism Task Force. In a follow-up interview with the FBI on June 11, which was literally the next day, the bad guy’s mother stated that her son had recently aligned himself with an online group claiming to be ex-military and Christian-based, which again makes no sense to me.

The group communicated ultrareligious and anti-government grievances, specifically focused on government corruption, the handling of the Jeffrey Epstein files, and data centers consuming water supplies because of AI. Family members also noted that the bad guy became increasingly isolated, got antisemitic on Facebook and social media, and was praising Adolf Hitler.

The feds executed a warrant on June 11, that same day, at his home and got his Apple iPhone. They then started discovering group chats, encrypted stuff, Signal and SimpleX. The chats talked about imagery of the national capital region, maps, places to launch drones, sniper positions, and all kinds of detailed stuff.

During an interview conducted by the feds at a medical facility on June 11, he detailed the mechanics of the planned attack. He stated that the group originally formed back in March of 2026, not long ago, as a TikTok group called Vanguard of the Old before they moved to encrypted platforms.

He explained that the plan was to fly small unmanned aircraft drones with explosive devices over the north side of the White House UFC event. When the detonations went off, the crowd was supposed to panic and go south, including high-value targets, toward the evacuation area. They allegedly had snipers and shooters equipped with long guns waiting there to open fire on the fleeing crowd.

The article goes on and on about other stuff and data from his phone, but this is just amazing. We have a little over three minutes before our first commercial break. Sheriff Crider, do you want to start us off on this one?

Speaker 2 - Sheriff Mark Crider: Well, as most of you know, I am pretty skeptical of the FBI typically. But I will say at least there are going to be no allegations that the FBI lured these people into this whole operation with undercovers and stuff, because it does not sound like they had anybody infiltrating the group.

It sounds fairly sophisticated. Now, the big question is whether or not these individuals had the ability to provide the technical portion of what they are claiming they could do with drones. Did they have the drones? Did they have access to the drones? Did they have access to the explosives and the like?

It is interesting. I was just back in that neck of the woods. Knox County is next to the county where I grew up and actually where my dad was born. I went through the National Sheriffs’ Academy with the sheriff of Knox County, so he will be getting a phone call here shortly. I did not even realize it was in Knox County.

This just goes to show you what social media and the communications capabilities of iPhones and modern encryption have done to provide fairly unsophisticated groups with sophisticated abilities that thwart law enforcement and make it much more difficult to do our job.

I will be interested to see how this investigation plays out and what level of sophistication we really have from a 19-year-old. Maybe his military experience is that he is a level six on Call of Duty, and he does not really have any real military experience. It is a very interesting case, and whether they had the ability to pull this off or not, the mere fact that they were planning this is obviously concerning.

Speaker 1 - Host: And obviously a right-wing group, as you can tell from all the things they are against.

Speaker 2 - Sheriff Mark Crider: Well, thanks, Sheriff.

Speaker 1 - Host: I am curious. That was sarcasm, by the way, because Travis was looking confused when I said right-wing group.

Speaker 3 - Dr. Travis Yates: I would have loved to have seen what would have happened if one drone went up in D.C. proper right before that event, because I am sure the entire airspace was shut down for that open-air event.

These were not the smartest cookies in the bunch, that is for sure, with whatever cockamamie plan they had. Fortunately, somebody heard something, said something, and reported something. Here we are.

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Speaker 1 - Host: Welcome back to Leo Roundtable at leoroundtable.com, the law enforcement talk show. My name is Chip DeBlock, and I am your host. We are joined by Sheriff Mark Crider from Walla Walla County in Washington state and Dr. Travis Yates, retired Tulsa Police major. Thank you, gentlemen, for being on the show.

We left off talking about the UFC event and the planned aerial maneuvers from armed drones, along with snipers in place. Sheriff made some good points about whether they had the capability to actually carry this out. I am sure we will get more information as time goes on.

The next one: the feds have been busy. According to DailySignal.com, they have indicted 15 Antifa members for conspiring to injure federal officers. The news article is short and sweet. The Department of Justice said Tuesday that 15 individuals affiliated with two Minneapolis-based Antifa groups have been federally indicted on charges of conspiring to impede or injure federal officers.

It always seems like we end up back in Minneapolis, does it not? These two Antifa groups are based there, at least. They have been federally indicted on charges of conspiring to impede or injure federal officers.

Here is a quote from Daniel Rosen, the U.S. Attorney for the District of Minnesota. He said, during a press conference, that a federal indictment was unsealed charging 15 defendants with conspiracy to impede or injure federal officers and other charges related to the efforts of two Minneapolis-based Antifa groups. He said they violently opposed the enforcement of federal law in the state.

I love the fact that they are hitting Minneapolis hard. Remember, just months ago the feds had to roll in, with Border Patrol as backup, because there were no Minneapolis cops taking care of business and controlling the protesters and agitators. Now Border Patrol had to show up. We ended up with a shooting involving Nate Good and the other guy, Alex Prettie, because of that. Now Antifa is being charged federally. Travis, I would think that would give them a pucker factor. What do you think?

Speaker 3 - Dr. Travis Yates: They just did not get the message that the administration changed. In the previous four years, we saw one outrageous act after another, whether it was Portland, Seattle, or all the other places where they would pop up.

What is really disheartening is just the lies coming from Minnesota and the politicians. I saw them talking yesterday about how these are peaceful protesters, Trump is going after them, and they are just observers. First off, it took an indictment from a grand jury. Second, we all have high-definition video of what they were doing.

Can we just stop with the lies? It is okay to say that group, Antifa or whoever, is a problem. It is okay to not agree with them just because they are on your team. That does not mean you have to agree with all their actions. But the truth is this was endorsed by a lot of the politicians out of Minnesota. In their own words, they said their job was to run ICE out of town. I just get sick and tired of the lies, and then half the country believes the lies. It is crazy.

Speaker 1 - Host: Gentlemen, we have a post from over on Rumble. I know the sheriff was talking about signals, getting news from different sources, and whether we were going to be going network or not. MVS in Colorado has confirmed that there are mountains in the way of the signal. Now I understand, because I am in Florida. We do not have mountains or really big hills, so I was thinking, “How in the world could that possibly be?” But there are things called mountains that occasionally, when I go on a trip, I will see from a distance. That makes sense. All of a sudden, the light bulb is going off.

On this last story, is there any more commentary on the 15 Antifa members who are getting a friendly reminder that Trump 2.0 is in charge of DOJ instead of Trump 1.0 or, really, Biden?

Speaker 2 - Sheriff Mark Crider: I will beat the drum because I live in the great state of Washington, and we have the same rules of not cooperating. We are legally not allowed to assist ICE. Obviously, we can go in if there is a public-safety issue.

But if we did the safe, secure transfer of illegal aliens inside the jails, and the local jails cooperated with federal authorities to remove people who have been arrested on state criminal charges, not immigration charges, and are currently being housed in local jails, it would be safer for the ICE agents. It would be safer for the illegal aliens. It would be safer for the public because there would be no protests involved in that situation.

This is being orchestrated by your elected officials and by the policies they put in place for local police agencies.

Speaker 1 - Host: Wow. That broke it down pretty simply, too. In other words, control it at the polls, guys. You are getting what you are voting for.

Moving along, gentlemen, we have an update story that we have not covered yet, and I would like to get to it. We have just a couple of minutes, so maybe there is enough time to cover that before the next commercial break.

Tampa Free Press at TampaFP.com: “Hot Grease and Stabbing: Michigan Drive-Through Dispute Ends in Attempted Murder Charges.” This is how they roll at this rush. I do not even know whether they put the name of the restaurant in, but it is in Detroit.

A messed-up drive-through order at a Detroit restaurant escalated into a violent brawl involving hot grease and a stabbing, leaving an employee in emergency surgery and two sisters facing attempted murder charges. According to Click on Detroit, the incident happened on May 30 at a fast-food restaurant.

Prosecutors say 29-year-old Brianna Long and her 26-year-old sister, Karina Long, got angry because they got the wrong food in a drive-through. Instead of just asking for a refund, they allegedly went inside the store to confront the 23-year-old worker who had given it to them. The argument spun out of control.

Prosecutors say the sisters shoved their way behind the counter and started chasing the employee through the kitchen. She was another female, by the way. They tossed pots and pans at her. During the chaos, one of the sisters reportedly picked up a pot of boiling grease and hurled it at the worker’s head.

Trying to defend herself, the employee threw a knife toward the sisters. Prosecutors say Karina Long grabbed the same knife from the ground and then stabbed the worker in the stomach, the one who had thrown it at her. Bleeding, the employee managed to run outside, hide in a car, and call police. Paramedics rushed her to the hospital for emergency surgery.

The sisters fled the restaurant. They ended up being tracked down and arrested shortly afterward. There is some more. I tell you what, I could not even get through the whole story, and I tried. We are going to take our second commercial break. We will come back, I will finish just a little bit left on this, and then we will discuss it. We will be right back.

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Welcome back to Leo Roundtable at leoroundtable.com, the law enforcement talk show. My name is Chip DeBlock, and I am your host. We are joined by Dr. Travis Yates, retired police major from the Tulsa Police Department, and active Sheriff Mark Crider from Walla Walla County in Washington state. Thank you, gentlemen.

I did not quite have time to finish it, but we left off talking about a story: hot grease and stabbing, Michigan drive-through dispute ends in attempted murder charges. We have two sisters who got the wrong order, apparently. They forced their way into the restaurant behind the counter, and now they are throwing pots and pans at the female who apparently gave them the wrong order.

Then it escalates. They throw a pot of boiling grease at the female’s head. She responds by throwing a knife at one of the sisters, which apparently does not do the trick. They pick it up and stab her with it. She goes out of the restaurant, hides in a car, and paramedics take her for emergency surgery.

The sisters flee the restaurant. They end up getting tracked down and arrested shortly afterward. Their defense attorneys, however, are pointing the finger back at the worker. Of course, it is the worker’s fault. The defense claims that the employee was the actual aggressor who threw items at the sisters first.

According to their attorneys, the worker sparked the physical fight after telling the women that she did not give an F about their wrong food order. I guess the verbal confrontation would be enough to justify that the sisters were defending themselves with weapons, right?

Brianna Long was nine months pregnant during the fight and actually gave birth just days after being taken into custody. She was one of the bad-girl sisters. Both women are currently locked up. Brianna, the one with the baby, her bond is only $25,000. Her sister Karina is being held on $50,000 bond. They were scheduled to face a judge on June 17, which is today, to answer the charges of assault with intent to murder and all the other stuff they are being charged with.

Come on, who is going to take it first? I know you guys are thinking, “Who is going to take this first?” Travis, yes, I am glad you won. You drew the short straw. I am sorry.

Speaker 3 - Dr. Travis Yates: I mean, there is significant outrage at the drive-through. What is the old Seinfeld episode? You always get screwed at the drive-through. I am not saying what they did was right. I am just telling you, there is outrage at times at the drive-through.

You have to stick to certain drive-throughs, because I do not think McDonald’s has ever gotten a drive-through correct. Chick-fil-A is pretty good. I have only been burned once in about 12,000 times there, so they have a pretty good track record.

But honestly, this story is not unique. You hear about this every few months around the country. These people just lose their minds at the drive-through.

Speaker 1 - Host: The hot grease is what really made me want to cover it, because we have a cop sitting in a jail cell. There are so many flags on that story. I probably should just memorize the agency and the cop’s name, because when we covered that story, the body camera video they used took six or eight months to release from the other body camera. The body camera we were looking at was from the other cop, not the one she was throwing the pot of boiling water at.

I guess they gave us the best angle of her coming up with a pot of boiling water, but they used the wrong body camera, number one, so it was not as incriminating. It was the other cop who really ended up shooting her when she was coming up from behind the counter with a pot of boiling water.

You do not have to be in fear of death to use deadly force. Great bodily injury will do the trick. Let me tell you, a pot of boiling water or grease, like in the case of the story we are covering right now, that will do it. I would have shot that woman all day long, and I would have been justified here in Florida, especially due to my background seeing the aftereffects of females throwing hot grease or boiling water on people.

When I went to the projects, you would see these guys whose skin would be bleached white. That is exactly what happened. They had potash, boiling water, or grease thrown on them. It changed the pigmentation permanently. A lot of times it was on the face, because that is where it would get thrown. It was crazy.

Seeing this, and seeing the women fighting and just going back to it, how many people think about grabbing a pot of boiling grease and throwing it at a victim during a fight? It still happens today.

Speaker 2 - Sheriff Mark Crider: I would just like to point out a couple of inconsistencies and common-sense issues. I would love to sit down with the attorney who graduated from law school and thinks the aggressor is the worker inside the building who was pursued by somebody in the drive-through.

Let us think about this. Your drive-through order is messed up. You pull around and go inside, and the person on the inside of the building is the aggressor in that situation?

I will tell you that we had a very similar story in the state of Wisconsin when I was stationed there. We actually had a law enforcement official, a command staff official. She was practicing safe aggression because she took her duty weapon off and handed it to her 15-year-old niece, then tried to crawl through the drive-through window to go after the person who had screwed up their order.

Speaker 1 - Host: I was wondering why the FBI was involved, but I am not going to ask you why now.

Speaker 2 - Sheriff Mark Crider: We were not involved. Although you could make an argument that it would be interstate transportation or a Hobbs Act issue, interference with interstate commerce, because obviously they get their stuff from somewhere. But you cannot make some of this stuff up.

Speaker 1 - Host: Sheriff, I am assuming in Walla Walla County you have drive-throughs and stuff like that there.

Speaker 2 - Sheriff Mark Crider: We do. I can tell you, on the few occasions I actually use the drive-through, I have yet to have an order that was not perfect when I went through the drive-through.

Speaker 3 - Dr. Travis Yates: You should be avoiding fast food at all costs.

Speaker 1 - Host: I knew that was coming, Travis. At least you said Chick-fil-A, which is on the healthier side.

Speaker 3 - Dr. Travis Yates: You can get 30 grilled nuggets at Chick-fil-A, and it is like 300 calories and 40 grams of protein. I do. I am not saying I get that every time. I am just saying it is an option.

Speaker 2 - Sheriff Mark Crider: I would say that if we had a Chick-fil-A, I probably would be close to Travis’s record on drive-throughs because I am a Chick-fil-A fan. Whenever I fly, I try to go through Minneapolis just because I know they have a Chick-fil-A in the airport.

Speaker 1 - Host: Did he just say he tries to go through Minneapolis? Did he really just say that?

Speaker 2 - Sheriff Mark Crider: The airport is safe.

Speaker 1 - Host: Okay. You do not leave the confines of the airport. You are not venturing outside. All right. I have renewed faith in you now.

Moving along, guys, we have a couple of stories with video components that we are going to cover next. Our first one is at Rumble.com, and this is on This Is Butter, our favorite law enforcement video channel. Miami police officers, you know, they do it differently in Miami, fatally shoot a suspect when he runs through apartments armed with a gun. I have some interesting notes on this.

Speaker 1 - Host: City of Miami units responded on Tuesday afternoon, according to officials there. We have undercover officers doing surveillance in the area. They are looking for a wanted offender in connection with a shooting that happened on Sunday. The detectives determined that the individual who discharged the firearm is a convicted felon, so he is a prohibited person. That is according to Miami Police Chief Manny Morales.

They approach the offender, who is outside next to a car, and there is a foot pursuit. This dude is next to the car, and then these undercover cars roll in, and guys are bailing out. He knows the gig is up, so he turns right and starts running.

When he leaves, I did not know whether he dropped the gun or what. I kept playing it back. Then I realized it looked like he ran out of his freaking shoes. I do not know if he was wearing flip-flops or what, but he is running barefoot because he just ran right out of his shoes.

They chase him through buildings and stuff. They end up in the back of this apartment complex. He is armed while he is running, and they are yelling at him. There is pretty good video of the shooting that goes down. You could argue about communication or how many guys were running through with weapons drawn and chasing him, because there was a narrow funnel they had to run through. Travis, what do you think?

Speaker 3 - Dr. Travis Yates: I thought it was a phenomenal video. I just do not understand why we keep seeing this. I would love for one attorney, advocate, or activist to just say, “Drop the gun. Do not run with guns.” It is really this simple.

They are going to take this and go, “Oh, he was not pointing a gun, and he was not doing this, and he was just a lost little child because of his daddy issues, and he was having trouble in school.” Can we at least say, “Do not run with guns. Do not present guns with law enforcement”? I do not understand why no one ever says this.

Maybe it is because we keep talking about this, and that is exactly what they want. I am not sure.

Speaker 1 - Host: Sheriff?

Speaker 2 - Sheriff Mark Crider: I just want to say that would never happen in the state of Washington because he was running with an extended magazine, and anything above 10 rounds is illegal in the state of Washington. That whole scenario would not have happened here.

Once again, Travis, that is sarcasm.

Speaker 3 - Dr. Travis Yates: Sorry, I was just trying to break a nicotine habit, so I want to kill both of you right now.

Speaker 2 - Sheriff Mark Crider: It is funny because I am sure both of you were taught action versus reaction during defensive tactics and firearms training. We all know it takes him a lot less time to point that gun at you than it does for you to react to his action.

Speaker 1 - Host: All right, guys, we are going to the commercial break. We will see you on the other side.

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Welcome back to Leo Roundtable at leoroundtable.com, the law enforcement talk show. My name is Chip DeBlock, and I am your host. We are joined by Sheriff Mark Crider, all the way from Walla Walla County in Washington state, and Tulsa Police Major Travis Yates, author of The Courageous Police Leader.

Travis, I have to give you another plug because we have been talking about use of force with the bad guy, but you have been talking about pre-attack indicators. That is your new passion. You have FocusCertified.com. Can you spell it out for our audience, whet their appetite a little bit, and tell them where to get more information?

Speaker 3 - Dr. Travis Yates: Obviously, FocusCertified.com kind of lays that out. We have classes all across the country scheduled now. I did not necessarily fall into this. I have been teaching pre-attack indicators as a class for many years. I have been to Washington, Idaho, and a lot of states teaching that. It is a fun passion class.

But it was not until I saw that there had been no actual research done on this topic that I thought, to a full degree, we have been teaching this for 50 years or more. We have been teaching this in law enforcement, but nowhere had anybody decided to actually do research to validate what occurs right before violence.

Every other profession has, such as clinicians, doctors, psychologists, EMTs, and corrections. They all have validated systems, which I find rather shocking that no one has decided to do this for law enforcement. In fact, I think it is probably sinister why they have not. Why would they not?

Meanwhile, in the last 10 years, officer assaults have increased 80 percent. The issue is getting worse. We decided to do the research and work on validation, and we launched a new updated course on pre-attack indicators. That is where you find it: FocusCertified.com.

Speaker 1 - Host: I love it. It is all about saving lives, and we should have been doing this a long time ago. Thanks for what you do, Travis. I appreciate it.

Guys, any more commentary on the last video, or are you ready to go to video number two? You are ready? All right.

We are still at Rumble.com, and still with our favorite law enforcement video channel called This Is Butter. Now we are dealing with a suicidal woman who ends up being fatally shot when she enters the home with two large knives.

There is a situation here. We will talk about it. In Mundelein, Illinois, body camera footage released by authorities shows a police officer fatally shooting a woman after police say she approached officers and a family member while armed with two large knives. The shooting happened just before 6 p.m. on May 11 at a home. I thought it looked more like an apartment.

Police initially responded to a report of a suicidal woman who had made statements indicating that she wanted officers to kill her. When officers got there, they brought in shields and talked to a family member when they entered the home.

The family member is an elderly woman. She can barely move. The camera angle is really good, even though it is a sad ending, because with the body camera you can see the elderly woman. They are trying to talk to her, saying, “Hey, look.” They are looking through the glass sliding door, and you can see the female sitting down in the chair on the other side. She is armed with at least one knife.

The old lady did not notice that she was armed. Officers tell her, “She has a knife.” The elderly woman says something like, “Does she really have a knife?” They tell her yes.

Then it gets to the point where statements are being made by the female who is supposedly suicidal on the other side of the glass door. You can see all the players; you just cannot see the people in the back with the shields. Now they know this is escalating and that they have to get the elderly female out of the way. If that door opens, now they are in a situation where they have a suicidal female with a knife, and it is not going to be pretty.

They cannot move her. They had two guys trying to pick her up and move her, and they just could not get her. Because they could not move her, and I am not really faulting law enforcement, it made the situation worse. They are trying to grab the elderly female, who is now trying to get out the glass sliding door to interact with the female with the knives. They are not going to let that happen. They could not move her. The female stands up, opens the sliding door, comes in, and she has at least one knife. They shoot her, and she ends up dying. That is the way it goes down, unfortunately.

I was not there. I know that when someone does not want to be moved, it can be very difficult. But because of that, it made it worse. Travis?

Speaker 3 - Dr. Travis Yates: That is what people do not understand. There has never been any altercation whatsoever. They sit back and judge law enforcement. If one person, no matter the size, does not want to be handcuffed and does not want to move, good luck. It takes overwhelming force to do that.

People will watch these videos and say, “Why did it take three or four people on top of this guy?” Because he is not compliant, and you cannot just force people to do it one-on-one typically. I wish our leaders would come out stronger. Many do, but we should not let people get away with saying this because they have clearly never been in any altercations whatsoever.

If someone refuses to do anything, good luck getting them to actually do it physically. It is very difficult.

Speaker 2 - Sheriff Mark Crider: The only thing I saw during the whole thing, and it looked fairly crowded, is that both of you have probably been in those houses where you can barely move. I would have liked to see them lock that door. The sliding glass door was opened by two or three inches. If they had just pulled that in, but trying to get her out of the way expeditiously when somebody is coming at the door and opening the door with a knife leaves you very little option.

It looked like she had a body brace on. I do not know whether you watched the video really well, but it almost looked like she had a body brace on underneath her robe. I do not know whether she had some injury or disease that made her difficult to move, but trying to move her out of the way without injuring her significantly is tough as well. Just a bad situation all the way around.

Speaker 1 - Host: Maybe this is a good opportunity for us to talk about compliance. It is not just for bad guys; it is for good guys, too. I am not faulting the elderly woman. I know that comprehension may have been an issue and that she just was not able to process things. It is what it is. But I know she did not want them to have to shoot her daughter, or whoever the relationship was with the suicidal female.

But she increased the chances of that happening. It did happen because she was there, and the cops were worried about the female stabbing the elderly woman. If she had complied and willingly gotten out of the picture, there is a chance that shooting never would have happened, and the suicidal woman would have gotten the help she needed.

That is what I am saying. When police tell you to do something, do not challenge them. If you want to complain later or file a criminal complaint if it is really bad, do it. But on the scene, there are things you just do not know and things that you should not know.

Even when I get pulled over, if they tell me to get out of the car, stand on one foot, and put my hands back, I am doing it. I am not going to argue. I can argue later. This is a perfect example of why it is so important. They are aware of stuff that you are not. Do what they tell you to do.

Any final words, gentlemen, on this one? If not, we have another story we may have just barely enough time to cover. We are going to Miami again, Rumble.com, This Is Butter. Miami-Dade Sheriff’s Office releases body camera video of a deputy shooting a 15-year-old.

I am going to go quickly through this one. A deputy opened fire during a dangerous confrontation in a Southwest Miami-Dade neighborhood, and a 15-year-old went to the hospital. Apparently, he did not die.

According to the Miami-Dade Sheriff’s Office, the shooting occurred back in April. There was a confrontation with a teen. Apparently, the cops roll up, and a bunch of teens end up running away. You have a 15-year-old running away, and he has a gun in his hands. It goes quickly, but our cop sees the gun in the guy’s hand, and he is verbalizing quite well. He ends up shooting him.

The teen goes down, but he was only grazed in the ankle and transported to the medical center, so he is going to survive. The weapon that the 15-year-old was carrying had an extended magazine with about 20 rounds in it. The agency said the cops showed up, everybody split off and started running, and at least the cop was sharp enough to be aware of the weapon. Deputies arrested 15-year-old Cornelius Lamont Comer and 17-year-old Phillip Phillips. They are facing a lot of charges. Commentary on this one, guys?

Speaker 3 - Dr. Travis Yates: I am amazed at the training. They have to slow this video down. These officers recognize those things very quickly. Once again, the sheriff is right: that would not have happened in Washington because that extended magazine was illegal.

Speaker 1 - Host: See what you started. See the can of worms you opened up now, Sheriff?

Speaker 2 - Sheriff Mark Crider: I think the other thing this highlights is the fact that the view from a body camera is not the same as the view from the human eye. When you testify in court, you really need to drive that home. When we release these body camera videos, it is incumbent upon the people putting the videos out to explain that he is seeing more than you are able to see on that body camera video.

But here is the other thing: if you do not want to get shot by the police as a 15-year-old, do not run around with a gun that you are not supposed to have, period.

Speaker 1 - Host: I do not know what he thought the cops were supposed to do.

Another great show. Thank you so much, Sheriff Mark Crider from Walla Walla County and retired Major Travis Yates from the Tulsa Police Department. I will talk in a second about how guys can get in touch with you if they want to.

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