**Speaker Identification**  
Speaker 1 – Host: Chip DeBlock (primary host who introduces topics, reads news, and interacts with the audience and guest).  
Speaker 2 – Guest: Dr. Joel Schulte (retired police chief from Colorado providing commentary).

Welcome to Leo Roundtable at LeoRoundtable.com, the law enforcement talk show. My name is Chip DeBlock and I am your host for a group of law enforcement professionals that talk about today’s news and issues, but we do it from a law enforcement perspective.  

Let me introduce Dr. Joel Schulte, retired police chief currently residing in the beautiful state of Colorado. Thanks for being on the show, Chief. I appreciate it.  

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So that said, let us wet the appetite and tell you guys what we are going to be talking about. I did hint that we have some main topics. So we have got a Don victory for border security. Senate passes a $70 billion immigration funding bill crushing left delays. And yeah, we are talking about ICE and Border Patrol. Yeah, funding could possibly be here. Who would have thought?  

Then we have homicide convictions reversed for Colorado paramedics who injected ketamine into Elijah McClain. Colorado, where the Chief is at. So we will be talking about that second.  

We have got a judge that just dismisses criminal charges against a guy named Aaron Spencer. He is the guy who caught the pedophile with his daughter and he killed him. And yeah, the criminal charges against him have been dropped. I am almost wondering whether the cops screwed up that case on purpose so this guy would get off. I mean the thought entered my mind, Chief. We need to talk about that.  

And then we got some stories with video components. So we have got New Mexico State Police release footage of a fatal shooting during a traffic stop. That is pretty wild. And then we have an arrest suspect. He is in the backseat of a cruiser, slips his handcuffs. There is no cage though. And he ends up hijacking the police car and taking off on the highway while one of the cops is in the rear seat. Guess where, Chief? Tell me, do you remember where this was at? Yeah, it was in Dallas. We were just there. I mean, what are the odds, right? And we are going to get the Dallas police chief to come on the show. I heard I got feedback from his people. They are talking to our people. So he wants to come on the show. We should be seeing him shortly.  

Then we have got Greenville Sheriff’s Office determines the deadly deputy shooting of a knife-only suspect was justified. So we have time to get to that, we will. So that is what we are looking at.  

Speaker 1 – Host: If you are ready, Chief, let us go and jump into the first of two main stories. Tampa Free Press. Big victory for border security. Senate passes a $70 billion immigration funding bill crushing left delays.  

Now, unless you have had your head in the sand, and even if you have had your head in the sand, you should still be aware of what has been going on. We have not been able to get funding for ICE and Border Patrol for quite some time. And it is in Congress and people can argue, say well there is like temporary funding and we got it partially funded or whatever. Of course you know air traffic control and TSA is all tied in and all this stuff. So the Senate is passing a $70 billion funding bill for immigration and customs enforcement, so ICE and the Border Patrol. This happened early Friday morning, which of course ended months of delays and a protracted dispute over an unrelated item, that $1.8 billion settlement fund that Trump is dealing with. So this vote went down as 52 to 47 and it took place just before five o’clock in the morning. So at least I take some satisfaction knowing that Congress is up at five o’clock in the morning doing votes. And they secured funding for the enforcement agencies for the next three years. And that will go through the end of President Trump’s term. The legislation now is heading to the House where they are expecting a vote next week. And let me see, this was actually written on June the 5th. So this would be the week that they are expecting a vote in the House. So I do not know where you think we are at on this, Chief. I see it as a good sign. It just needs to get done or else we need to get new people in Congress, including the freaking Republicans.  

Speaker 2 – Guest: Well, you know, there have always been budget fights. And so I guess to some extent this is not unprecedented. I do agree with those that are concerned about the line item budgeting. We should fund Homeland Security and then let the people within Homeland Security decide how we are doing it. But the opponents in Congress did not want to fund the things like Coast Guard and TSA and all the kinds of stuff that affect all of us until they made their point with President Trump. And the idea that this was going to go forward except that there was an amendment to stymie the payout in Trump’s suit to allow people to make claims for when they have been victimized by the weaponization of the legal system. And I am very concerned about that whole issue. We have seen it play out on both sides pretty dramatically. This January 6th is still over our heads. I was not happy about the pardons. I was not happy about the analysis. I was not happy about the investigations. I was not happy about the impeachment and not terribly happy about this potential payout either. And so I understand it is a political hot potato. But the guys and gals that are out there doing the job taking bad guys off the street need to get their paychecks. And the American people wanted that. Donald Trump is delivering that. And so it is about time that they started getting the funding that the people demand.  

Speaker 1 – Host: I agree. And you know, it just kills me watching Shannon Bream on Fox on Sundays. Well, I am at the Jim Doome cardio and she inevitably will come up. And then I have got her interviewing people that are Democrats and blaming the lack of the funding on the murder that took place with Renee Gooch and people like that. And you know she never challenges people and says was there an investigation that came up with the fact that she was murdered or were there charges or anything. She never challenges anybody on anything. It is almost like she has got a script that she just needs to read or a bullet point that she needs to get to. And all this other stuff is unchallenged. So I know that they have had some verbal justification which does not hold water. And you know in my mind, if anyone that is aware of all the stuff that goes on. But of course we have got Renee Gooch and we have got Alex. These were not shoots that were ruled unjustified. And there were no charges associated with them. So just being able to casually say that you do not want to support murderers because you are saying that ICE agents who are protecting their lives otherwise they are going to get seriously injured or killed as justification. No way at all. It just makes no sense. But no one is calling them on it. So they continue to run the rhetoric on that.  

Speaker 2 – Guest: You know the tropes about these high profile use of force cases from all over the country are narratives that have typically been disproven. They are really not relevant to the larger picture of police use of force but they keep being dragged out. I mean we are still dealing with hands up do not shoot which was a lie from the get go from 12 years ago. And so these roadblocks of these frankly ignorant legislators that do not know what they are talking about but they want to make the criminal element into saints and then they stop or start legislation based on these individual cases about which false narratives have been woven. It is a real roadblock and a real impediment to the process of what Congress ought to be doing.  

Speaker 1 – Host: Yeah, you know it was Alex. Pretty was the other one. Renee Gooch and Alex were the two shoots which were good justified shoots in my opinion. We have not heard anything from any reputable source. We have not heard differently from anyone. And then you bring up the Michael Brown, Officer Darren Wilson thing with the hands up do not shoot that the DOJ clearly determined was some heavily fabricated information. And I am so glad you brought that up because that poor officer Darren Wilson had to resign. He had to quit his job and he had to move and he had to change his name just for his own safety. And then they did not want to make that video of that strong arm robbery that Brown did before he ended up getting shot while he was wrestling over the gun with Darren Wilson. They do not like showing that either. It was just a bad dude.  

Speaker 2 – Guest: Well it was. And I am always interested to see how some of these people are characterized. You know George Floyd was an active church member and he was employed as a security officer and Michael Brown was a teenager just about to start trade school and all these innocent folks with their moms and family to talk about what a tremendous loss it was. I tell you, you and I are not going to get a statue in any prominent place in any city but George Floyd has got one.  

Speaker 1 – Host: Yeah, you are probably right on that one. I am okay with that. So the loss of life it is sad but in these cases force is heavily justified. Hey it is time for first commercial break, Chief. So if you are ready for this, stand by. We will be right back.  

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Speaker 1 – Host: Welcome back. Leo Roundtable at LeoRoundtable.com, the law enforcement talk show. My name is Chip DeBlock and I am your host. We are joined by Chief Joel Schulte as well from the state of Colorado. And we have just been talking about Congress finally looks like they are making moves on funding your Border Patrol and ICE. So let us wait and see what happens as it heads over to the House. It is supposed to be about this week. And Chief, is there anything else you want to add on that?  

Speaker 2 – Guest: Well, just that Todd Blanche apparently has said that this payout deal is not going to happen. And I just wanted to mention that I was having lunch with him just the other day and I was glad to see he was in the news.  

Speaker 1 – Host: Oh, you know you were ever at lunch with him the other day actually. I was there. They went and I could not get as close as you were allowed to get. But that was pretty special. And Chief is making reference to us being in Dallas together last week. And Kash and the other agency heads. So it was a very end gathering. Just me and about a thousand other of our closest friends. Yeah, I mean how cool was that under one roof? Kash Patel, Todd Blanche, the head of the Marshals office, ATF and the DEA. That is just crazy.  

Speaker 1 – Host: So if you are ready, let us move into our next one, CNN.com. And that is another first. Yeah, I do not know if we have ever covered an article from CNN, but first I was surprised to see that headline. Well, you know what, I caught it late, the story, and it was on CNN. And I thought, you know what, they are covering something like this. Let me throw them a bone because they are covering it and it did not seem to be heavily slanted. So yeah, homicide convictions reversed for Colorado paramedics who injected ketamine into Elijah McClain. So this is another story that most people, even if you had your head in the sand, you have had to have heard about this, especially if you are law enforcement.  

This Colorado court, they reversed the homicide convictions on two paramedics. This happened on Thursday in the 2019 death of Elijah McClain. Now he is a black man. He was pinned down by police, injected with the fatal dose of ketamine by the paramedics. Now the appeals court ordered new trials for Aurora. So we are talking about Aurora police and Aurora Fire Rescue paramedics Jeremy Cooper and Peter Chinnick. And it says that McClain, 23 years old, he had been forcibly restrained and put in that hold by police who stopped him in response to a suspicious person complaint. As the massage therapist walked home from a convenience store in the Denver suburb back in 2019. Does not say that he was compliant because we know he was not, but there is any massage therapist walking home. They kind of left out the other stuff about not being compliant with law enforcement.  

Criminal charges against the paramedics and emergency medical technicians involved in police custody cases are rare. And according to the article, it goes on to say that as McClain’s step and others raised questions about the use of ketamine to subdue struggling suspects and the prosecution sent shockwaves to the ranks of first responders across the country because they put these guys in jail for it. So a jury in 2023 found Cooper and Chinnick guilty of criminally negligent homicide. These are our two first responders after the week long trial in state district court. Now the jurors also found Chinnick guilty of second degree felony assault. Now Cooper avoided prison time and he was sentenced to 14 months in jail with work release and probation and Chinnick received five years in prison. Now the appeals court, they have held Chinnick’s assault conviction but they faulted the instructions that were given to the jurors with respect to the criminally negligent homicide charges before they deliberated. So the worse of the two charges. Thursday’s ruling sends their case back to a lower court for a new trial on that charge, which I am wondering why even bother. I am hoping that they do not, but we will see what happens now. Chinnick was released early from prison back in 2024 after a judge reduced sentence to four years probation. And that judge, who is Mark Warner, cited unusual and extenuating circumstances as part of Colorado’s mandatory sentencing law that allowed the modified sentence after the defendant has served at least 119 days in prison. Now Warner, the judge said that Chinnick had to make a quick decision that night of the arrest as the highest ranking paramedic at the scene. So he was the guy technically in charge, which is why I guess they put more responsibility on him.  

The paramedics defense attorneys argued that they followed their training and giving ketamine to McClain after deciding that he had excited delirium, which you do not hear a lot anymore. It is a disputed condition. According to the article, invoked to justify excessive force that some say is unscientific. I do not necessarily agree with the assessment, but not being allowed in the vocabulary more, I do agree with that. They also said that prosecutors did not prove that that is what killed him. Paramedics in Aurora have been trained to use that drug for that condition since 2018. Officials since then have told paramedics just stop using excited delirium as a basis for administering ketamine. And of course there is a whole argument about this excited delirium. But law enforcement, reputable law enforcement will tell you and Chief and I have not talked about this before so he could feel totally different. But in my view and experience, it is a very real thing that they have gotten away from talking about. But Chief Schulte.  

Speaker 2 – Guest: Well, first of all, as the foundation, we need to understand that the Aurora City Council, which is the largest suburb attached to Denver, hates the police. Governor Polis, the Colorado State Governor, hates the police. The legislature of the state of Colorado hates the police and they have continually attempted to persecute and to legislate against genuine criminal justice issues that impede the police. So I did not even have to know what happened or to read beyond the headline of the article to know that everybody involved in this was going to get messed over. And I guess the lesson for the police officer on the street is you make your own case on a suspicious person. Do not stop somebody just because you get the anonymous phone call, the suspicious person, because now the burden is on you to react appropriately. So make your own case when you have a suspicious person call. You will avoid the racism. You will avoid the use of force issues. You might even avoid the contact. And then we can talk more about the incident from there. But I wanted to get that out.  

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Speaker 1 – Host: Welcome back. Leo Roundtable at LeoRoundtable.com, the law enforcement talk show. My name is Chip DeBlock and I am your host. We are joined by Dr. Joel Schulte, retired police chief in Colorado. Yes, we have been talking about the paramedics got jammed up with the ketamine and with Elijah McClain. And we have been talking about that. And while we are at it, Chief, I know where I am going with this is that what happened to the cops. I know that you had just done some research on your own during before the show started about that. But could you bring us up to speed? We know what happened with the paramedics now and how that has worked out to their benefit. What about what happened with the cops on that? There were what, three police officers, I believe?  

Speaker 2 – Guest: There were three primary officers involved in that. By the way, the mayor of Aurora hates cops too. And only one of them was charged, but he was charged with negligent homicide, just like the paramedic was. And he was convicted. By the way, the governor got a special prosecutor for this. So they were really hot on this case. They wanted cops to go to jail. And I think he served 14 months. I am not sure how much of that was actually in house because there were some probation and that kind of stuff wrapped up in that as well. But Aurora is a fine place. I know people live there, but it is also really a high crime area. So there is a lot of activity going on. Aurora was the apartment complex where the Tren de Aragua gang, that when that entered the vocabulary. So they have got some serious issues to deal with. But let us look at this. You get a call of a suspicious person. The person is black. The person is young. The person may be autistic. The person had earbuds in, as a lot of people do. And so those factors right there, anytime you are dealing with those three emotional type trigger issues for the public, autism and black male, then there is going to be super attention on police use of force there. And when we talk about excited delirium, it should not be a political football. We know that when people go nuts and they lose control, they do not respond to pain. So all of our pain compliance techniques and all of our joint lock techniques, they do not care if they break their arm there. And the temperature is high. The pulse rate is high and it is a medical emergency. So and that is why they called the paramedics. And one of the treatments for that is to get the body back to some homeostasis. So they do not go into cardiac arrest and die before they get to the hospital because this is an urgent medical issue. If in fact that is what is going on. And so ketamine was within the realm of approved treatment for that issue. I think you cited the article saying that they have been using that since 2018. And so I just do not know. I think the outrage was political and manufactured. And again, sorry that young Elijah died. And we will never know all the details having not been there, not walked in those shoes behind those badges of those first responders. But of course the legislature in their wisdom decided, oh this one bad thing happened with ketamine. So we are going to outlaw it. You will never be able to use it again. The interesting thing is the cops have to deal with the reality of the behavior on the street. But if you manage to get into the emergency room, they are going to pump him up with all kinds of chemicals. They are going to strap them down. They are going to use force and chemical restraints. I remember the magic of Haldol. I do not know if they still use that or not. But we had a really combative guy that had his leg broken. He was still fighting because he could not feel it. We got him to the ER and the ER doc says Haldol. They pumped him up and he took a nap and everything was fine. Well that is great. But what about you out there on the street in the alley within the mud and the blood and the beer and struggling with these guys? And then you are not supposed to hurt him. And you are supposed to save their life. And yet exercise our judgment about whether these people need to go into the criminal justice system or whether it is a medical problem or a purely mental problem. It is just so complex. I am not sure how a jury, particularly with an angry, aggressive, special prosecutor beholden to the governor. I do not know how the jury could ever really get an objective fact based story about all this unfolding.  

Speaker 1 – Host: Just I find it fascinating. You know, in very educational what you just said, because I got to say that the whole idea of injecting somebody, stopping with excited delirium. I mean, the whole idea with injecting them just from where I am at in the south and Florida, dude, there is no way, right? But if the option is them having a heart attack, cardiac arrest, whatever, I see it. It is sad that it is almost more permissible to see these guys die from a cardiac arrest fighting a police than injecting them with something that can save their lives. And they were putting paramedics, not just cops, but paramedics in jail for it. It is just like how can you win? And the charges that were dismissed for this paramedic were on a technicality. It was not on the merits of the case. It was on a technicality about the trial procedure. So if they retry, which would not surprise me, if it was the cop who got the charges dismissed, they would definitely retry. But the paramedic, we are a little more sympathetic to paramedic. That is just my editorial opinion. So we will see whether they get retried or not. But to take away a tool. The thing about all the things from singular incidents. PR24 is just about disappeared after Rodney King. The lateral vascular neck restraint, which is super valuable and super safe. We got rid of that in a lot of jurisdictions. People hated the taser. They just keep taking away these tools and expect us to still deal with violent behavior in enforcing the law. So what happens then is what paramedic is going to stage a block away and tell the cops well when they come down we will come and take care of them. But we are not putting our careers and freedom on the line for this. And what cop is going to say I do not know. It is terrible for first responders.  

Speaker 1 – Host: No, I agree. I would not want to be in their shoes. Well, look, we have another equally fascinating story. ArcTimes.com. Judge dismisses criminal charges against Aaron Spencer, the dad who killed daughter’s alleged molester. And so this is the update. And I am going to refresh everybody’s memory because it has got the details of the case. It is short but it is rather fascinating because I do not know where people stand on this. I suspect that there are on both sides of the fence on this. But and I do not have kids, but I tell you if this happened to my daughter, dude, it is hard to find fault with this guy.  

So there is a 19 page order that was entered just before three p.m. on Thursday by Judge Ralph Wilson Jr. dismissing the criminal charges against Aaron Spencer, the dad. And the Lonoke County father, he was charged with murder back in 2024 after killing the man accused of molesting his teenage daughter. Now the dismissal is due to the Lonoke County Sheriff’s Office deputies mishandling of evidence. And I had mentioned to the Chief, I wonder if that was intentional, probably not. And let me also throw out that in talking about this, our dad who has been cleared now of these charges. He just won the endorsement. He is trying to become the sheriff of the same agency that charged him. So the dismissal was due to the Sheriff’s Office deputies mishandling evidence, which the court said was crucial to Spencer’s ability to prove that he was justified in shooting Michael Fosler back in October 2024. The court also said failure to preserve the evidence, which was a memory card from a dash camera in Fosler’s truck. It violated Spencer’s, the dad’s right to due process and amounted to conduct so egregious that it warrants dismissal. So that is pretty serious.  

The dismissal is just the latest twist in the case. It is anything but normal from the outset, which I have to agree with. I have got just over a minute. So I am going to run through this. The facts of the Spencer case have drawn a lot of attention in Arkansas. Now he allegedly killed Fosler who was arrested back in July 2024 and charged with 43 counts including sexual assault of a minor, internet stalking of a child, possession of child pornography and some or all of which related to Fosler’s alleged assault of Spencer’s then 13 year old daughter. Now Fosler, a bad guy, was released on a $5,000 bond pending trial on those charges. Late one night afterwards October 2024, Spencer, the dad told police that he heard his dog barking, went to his daughter’s room to check on her. She is not there. He calls 911, reports her missing. He is looking for her in his truck. And then a short time later he finds his daughter and Fosler in the bad guy’s truck. The dad forces the truck off the road. The affidavit in the arrest gives the account of what happened next.  

Now guys, I am going to stop there. I am not trying to bait you guys or clickbait, whatever you want to call it. But please stick around till after this next commercial break to hear this. You guys are not going to want to miss the story. It is time. We are on a third commercial break. Stick with us. We will be right back.  

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Speaker 1 – Host: Welcome back. Leo Roundtable at LeoRoundtable.com, the law enforcement talk show. My name is Chip DeBlock and I am your host joined by Dr. Joel Schulte, retired police chief in Colorado. And guys, we are on just an unbelievable story. It is Judge dismisses criminal charges against Aaron Spencer, the dad who killed his daughter’s alleged molester. And this is in the ArcTimes.com. I just kind of went through there is a 19 page order from the judge really faulting the Lonoke County Sheriff’s Office deputies for mishandling evidence, which is why the dad is getting let off the hook in the shooting of Michael Fosler, the bad guy that happened back in October 2024. And so it kind of goes to the facts of the case on how this went down. And dad was cooperative with the cops. I mean they have the timeline and everything went down because he was talking. And so before the commercial break, I just kind of touched on the backdrop of this. This guy, ultimate bad guy, 43 counts and he got out of jail. But stuff like sexual assault with a minor, internet stalking of a child, possession child pornography. And a lot of the stuff is related to the assault of Spencer’s then 13 year old daughter. Now imagine that guys. She has just entered the teenage years, 13 years old. And like here in Florida, we are talking like statutory rape territory here. They cannot make the decision to have sex on their own at that age. I mean just young. And so this guy is released on a $5,000 bond and late one night October 2024. The father, he is talking to police and telling them what happened. He heard his dog barking. He goes to his daughter’s room. She is not there. He calls 911, reports her missing. Now he is in his truck and he is looking for her. And he finds his daughter and Fosler in the bad guy’s truck. He forces the truck off the road. I mean this dad has got some stones, right? But it is his daughter. Forces the truck off the road. And that is kind of where we left off. So he exits his car. He has his firearm in his hand. And talking about the father. He orders the bad guy out of the vehicle and lay down in the ditch. And the father said that he observed his daughter. She is trying to get out the passenger side of the vehicle. But it appeared that the bad guy had grabbed her and stopped her from getting out. Picture that. And you being the dad. So the dad states that the bad guy exits his vehicle. He had something in his hand. He said he did not know what it was. And said the bad guy lunged towards him saying F you. So dad opened fire on the bad guy. He empties his magazine. And then he jumps on top of him and he pistol whips him. And then the father states that he gets his daughter out of the vehicle, returns to his truck where he reloads his weapon. And he calls 911. And then the cavalry shows up. Bad guy ends up dying at the scene. And the state charged the dad with second degree murder back in November of 2024. The case was assigned to Judge Elmore. And it goes on into this thing about the judge being sympathetic towards the prosecution. And it talks about the Arkansas Supreme Court had to step in, rescind the gag order that the judge established. And then the judge tried to limit public access to the case. And again the Supreme Court had to get involved. And they had to get another judge appointed in the case. And now of course they throw in there that in March Spencer, the dad won the Republican primary for the Lonoke County Sheriff and he beat the incumbent Sheriff John Staley. And who were the deputies whose deputies had arrested the dad in the first place. And now Spencer, the dad is facing a Democrat and independent running for sheriff that is going to happen in November. So that is where we are at, Chief Schulte.  

Speaker 2 – Guest: Wow. You know one thing I want to mention at the outset is when we hear about citizens using force to intervene in a crime or to use self-defense, we often conflate those civilian rules of engagement with law enforcement rules of engagement. When I am defending my property, when I am defending myself and I am defending a third person, this is not a constitutional issue. It is just a statute of history issue of whether I had some reasonable belief to use the amount of force that I did. And it is interesting to me that this case was filed in the first place, because I think, and then that it was dismissed not on the merits of the case or lack of merits of the case from the prosecutor’s side, but because of evidence misconduct by the officer. And I had the same kind of lurking suspicion that maybe the cop was like we do not want this guy to prosecute. So we are going to. But he was intervening in a kidnapping in progress. Now the 13 year old may have given 13 year old consent to this predator because they know how to mess with the minds of young people and say we were meant to be together and how wonderful you are and let us get out of here. So she might not have been forcibly kidnapped but for all practical purposes she was kidnapped because she cannot give consent as you pointed out at that age. So to interrupt the crime of kidnapping in progress, I suspect that that Arkansas statute allows the civilian use of force to intervene in a crime like that. And it was a crime in process. So the judge whose misconduct to me is egregious. And I would like to know more about her background, the initial judge in the case. They were talking about this being an act of vigilantism. And that is not true. This guy was not skirting the law. There was in legal terms we would say I believe he had exigent circumstances. He had a kidnapping in progress. The guys were getting away. And you can call 911 all you want. But you know as the old saying goes, when seconds count, the cops will be there in minutes. So take action, save your little girl. And the question of after emptying your mag, was it appropriate and justified to do the pistol whipping? It kind of depends on how you write the report, right? If this guy was continuing to resist and we have seen lots of cases where a person gets a mag emptied in them and they are still fighting. And so it could be within the realm of reasonable force for this guy to continue to beat this knucklehead. So I am just disappointed that this case was filed in the first place and it was not dismissed on its merit rather than a legal technicality. And I know we do not want to be super political on this show but if you live in that county, you make sure and register to vote and you make sure and elect this guy sheriff.  

Speaker 1 – Host: Wow. I mean what a turnaround story. That is almost like a Trump story, right, where this guy goes through all this and he has already beat out the incumbent. And so that is going to tell you that this guy is pretty popular locally. And I would not be surprised to see him win this election. So that would be a story in November. Wow. I would say the election and father of the year award. Wow. Yeah. So and let us not forget about it or not but I might just remind people that the trauma, we have a 13 year old that was saved by a dad that is just, he should be father of the year, you are correct. And he did not care what it took. He was going to do it. He could care less if he spent the rest of his life in jail in order to save his little girl. That was what he was and he did it. And I do not think that he did anything inappropriate and it sounded like especially things went down the way he said, completely justified. And you brought up a good point of the pistol whipping or whatever, which states that had happened in. Of course if he had already unloaded his gun and the bad guy if the bad guy was dead or going to die anyhow, it is kind of almost a moot point. But that girl is going to have some psychological, she needs help. And hopefully at least she is alive where she can get the help that she needs. And I am sure that they have already been working on that since this thing went down. But her just going through all that and then witnessing her dad getting arrested after he saves her life and stuff, that just has got to be some tough stuff to deal with for a 13 year old. When you see these cases of missing 12, 13, 14, 15, 16 year old girls, you can bet more than 90% are internet predators that have lured these girls away with some kind of promise of love, affection and attention. There is so much wickedness in that. It is a little slice of human trafficking that can really hit close to home.  

Speaker 1 – Host: Guys, so people watch the show. I know we did not get to a story, the video component. But we gave you two, the ketamine story and this one with the father of the year. Hopefully you guys will appreciate that. And us being able to talk candidly about these stories. And you guys now are up to speed. You will be the smartest guys in the room when it comes to these two topics as you engage with other people today about that. Hopefully you guys will be doing that because you know the stuff like this needs to get out. And remember, I covered a CNN story. So what everybody to remember that I covered, I used CNN as a source for a story. So but I do want to mention the Wounded Blue with thewoundedblue.org, Lieutenant Randy Sutton, 501c3 that is helping cops out in the world of hurt. So please remember to check them out and support them. And guys, our sponsors, we have Galls.com. Do not forget discount code radio 15, 15% off. We have CompleteTechnologies.com, GunLearn.com, MyMedicare.live and TwoBells.com. And thanks for watching the show. We will see you guys back live tomorrow at 12 noon Eastern.