AI Bias, Violent Threats, K9 Courage, and the Limits of Hate-Crime Enforcement

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Speaker 1 – Chip DeBlock, Host: Identified by his opening introduction as the host of LEO Round Table.

Speaker 2 – Frank Loveridge, Panelist: Identified as a former Secret Service Special Agent in Charge. The transcript misrenders his surname in places, so the exact spelling should be verified.

Speaker 3 – Rich Deripoli, Panelist: Identified as a former Secret Service Special Agent in Charge. The transcript gives variant spellings of his surname, so the exact spelling should be verified.

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Speaker 1 – Chip DeBlock, Host:
Welcome to LEO Round Table at leoroundtable.com. My name is Chip DeBlock, and I’m your host for a group of law-enforcement professionals who talk about today’s news and issues, but we do it from a law-enforcement perspective.

Let me introduce the crew. Guys, if you don’t mind waving for the video portion of our show, I’m here with former Special Agent in Charge from the Secret Service, Frank Loveridge, and yes, his shake-and-bake sidekick. We have another former Special Agent in Charge, Rich Deripoli. Thank you, gentlemen, for being on the show. I appreciate it.

If you guys are looking at the logo on Frank’s shirt, yes, it should look familiar. LEO Round Table. You’ve got to love that. I don’t know if it’s your arms that make the shirt look good, or if it’s the shirt that makes your arms look good. I don’t know. It’s one of the two. We’ll have to figure that out by the end of the show.

I should have never encouraged him. Rich, you smiling and applauding is not helping. Rich, you’ve got to help me out. He should not be allowed to watch any Schwarzenegger movies before he comes on LEO Round Table.

Speaker 3 – Rich Deripoli, Panelist:
Is that what it is?

Speaker 1 – Chip DeBlock, Host:
Yeah, he’s a little bit tough. It could be.

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Now, what in the world are we going to be talking about today? We do have some good topics, guys. The main topic, and we always start with the main topic that we tend to see as a little bit deeper, is this: Are ChatGPT and other AI chatbots politically biased? The Washington Post tested them. I know what you’re thinking: The Washington Post is a liberal publication. You might be surprised by the results and what they’re willing to admit. That will be our first topic.

Then we have, and it’s no secret that things always work out and the good Lord takes care of us, a wood chipper hit list while you guys are on today. A New York 764 inmate is charged in a plot to murder FBI agents and a prosecutor. When the prosecutor switched, he switched his wish list as well.

We have a police K9 injured after being dragged by a suspect in a stolen truck. The K9 would not let go of his leg. It seemed like forever before the dog finally released. We’re going to cover that. The K9 is going to be okay, but he needed some attention.

We have LAPD officers injuring a suspect in a shooting. This guy was armed with a gun and a knife after a noise complaint, of all things. We have “It’s just bacon,” where a Florida woman is facing a hate-crime charge after leaving pork outside a Muslim-owned store. We’re going to have some fun with that one. We have a 58-year-old man armed with a BB rifle who ends up being fatally shot by a Denver police officer. Lastly, if we have time to get to it, Houston police officers fatally shoot a guy in response to him pointing a gun at a woman.

That’s the lineup, gentlemen. If you’re ready, let’s hop over to The Washington Post.

The article asks whether ChatGPT and other AI chatbots are politically biased. The Washington Post tested them. I’ve been getting into AI lately. I have a good friend of mine, Chris Vaid, over in Orlando, and every time I call him and ask him a technical question, he has been saying, “Chip, did you AI it?” I say, “Well, no. I’m calling and asking you.” He says, “Go to ChatGPT,” or for certain things, Claude, for something a little more creative, like book writing and that kind of stuff.

He kind of forced me to do it, and now it’s my go-to. It’s kind of like a parent with a kid, forcing them not to ask me the questions. Go get it yourself. So I’m a huge fan of AI, but this article is critical of the information provided.

President Donald Trump and other conservatives have accused artificial-intelligence chatbots of being politically biased against them. In an executive order that Trump signed, he said they have to be neutral and nonpartisan tools. That got some Democrats up in arms.

Are the chatbots politically motivated or not? The Washington Post decided to test them. They tested OpenAI’s ChatGPT, Google’s Gemini, and others using political questions designed by researchers to gauge how these chatbots respond to hot-button political issues. The results suggest, drumroll, that the chatbots have clear political leanings that conflict with promises being made by the companies behind them.

It seems like it’s by design, right? The model that powers ChatGPT, arguably probably one of the most popular, answered nearly every question exclusively with left-leaning arguments and presented only right-leaning positions just once. Google’s Gemini mostly took a both-sides approach, offering both left and right positions in more than 90 percent of its answers.

Even AI models marketed as having conservative views, like Elon Musk’s Grok, cited left-leaning arguments more often on average. It goes on from there.

There’s this guy, and I’m usually putting quotes because we have our own commentators and expert guys like you, but let me put in what Sean Westwood wrote. He’s the director of the Polarization Research Lab at Dartmouth College. He said that understanding the positions AI tools amplify is important because they are becoming increasingly influential as people use them to understand the world or news events.

People are relying on what ChatGPT and these other AI tools say to form an opinion. He’s saying that is why it’s important to know that these things are biased and that you are not necessarily getting neutral information.

Here’s a sampling. OpenAI’s model reportedly said the Supreme Court should overturn Citizens United because unlimited corporate spending gives wealthy groups too much influence and makes it harder for ordinary voters to be heard. It’s just kind of crazy, some of the stuff they’ve been saying.

OpenAI’s model gave the most skewed answers overall, with 80 percent presenting only left-leaning arguments, which is kind of crazy. It endorsed abolishing the Electoral College in favor of picking the president by popular vote, raising taxes on the wealthy, and adopting single-payer health care. That’s pretty substantial.

The Chinese company DeepSeek’s AI model was close behind and also leaned left. Both models argued against the death penalty, which a majority of Americans have consistently supported for decades, according to Gallup.

Google spokesperson Laura Fine said Gemini is designed to provide a balanced response that does not favor any political ideology, but the company was unable, they say, to reproduce the one-sided responses that occurred when The Washington Post tested it. You’re going to see that coming around again.

Anthropic, which has Claude, a tool I’ve been using lately, had spokesperson Michael Ackerman say they train Claude to treat different political viewpoints equally and test extensively for bias. They say the Post’s tests do not reflect how most people use the company’s product. Claude generally has more space to include context. They’re saying The Washington Post did it the wrong way and that other people use it differently, which doesn’t make any sense to me.

In a statement sent after the article was published, OpenAI’s spokesperson basically said OpenAI was unable to replicate the findings that The Washington Post reported. There was no response from SpaceX and DeepSeek. I’m curious what you guys have to say about this, because, like I said, and I’m guilty of it now, a lot of people like me and others are increasingly going to AI to get answers to stuff. Frank Loveridge.

Speaker 2 – Frank Loveridge, Panelist:
The first thing AI is useful for is any type of data-trend analysis. If you’re trying to chart things out and you provide the data to it and ask it, “Please put this into a trend analysis,” that’s great. It does a great job at that. It also correlates the information and can give you some information that tells you where you’re going with it, what your data represents, and things of that sort.

When you ask it to give you an opinion, it’s pulling that information from the national media. We all know the national media we have out there, the drive-by media, as we used to call it, is not going to lean right. It’s going to lean left. That’s where your information is coming from.

You’re looking at political people who are putting this information out there, and you’re getting that information to draw opinions. It’s not going to be accurate. You have to be very careful when you do that.

Using it to correlate information and to try to give you a sense of what is going on through analysis can be very useful. But let’s not pretend. If we were to put something in there and ask a question about President Trump and how effective he is, or whether or not the election in 2016 was stolen, you put that in there and I’m telling you, you’re going to get a result that says there was no evidence whatsoever that there was any type of collusion or cheating that would have overturned the election. That’s what it’s going to tell you. Whether that’s true or not, I think we’re going to figure that out really soon.

The bottom line is that is what you’re going to get from them. For analysis, charts, and graphs, it’s a very good system. But as far as trying to give you an opinion on a subject matter, that is not the place to go because you’re going to get a very skewed result.

Go ahead, Rich.

Speaker 3 – Rich Deripoli, Panelist:
I think you’re right on target, Frank. They are pulling a tremendous amount of data from the national media, which we know is incredibly biased, or from international media, for that matter. Ultimately, there are only a handful of folks managing and creating these platforms. It’s the big six or seven.

Regardless of where they pull the data from, what it comes down to is their filtering process. They’re filtering out all the information that is seen as conservative, pro-Trump, pro-administration, or pro-American. They can appear before Congress and say they’re doing everything they can to create an unbiased platform, but they are setting the filters.

Speaker 1 – Chip DeBlock, Host:
Guys, we’ve got to go into a commercial break. We’ll be right back.

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Speaker 1 – Chip DeBlock, Host:
Welcome back to LEO Round Table at leoroundtable.com, the law-enforcement talk show. My name is Chip DeBlock, and I’m your host. We’re joined by former Secret Service Special Agents in Charge, Rich Deripoli and Frank Loveridge. Thanks, gentlemen.

We got a little off because on the commercial break, Betty Dunn types in “Buffalo Trace.” That kind of, while we were getting ready to come back into the show off the commercial break, got Frank all excited about this Buffalo Trace thing. So there’s a hidden story there, Rich. I can tell already with Frank and Buffalo Trace. I don’t know what it is, but we’re going to get to the bottom of this.

Speaker 3 – Rich Deripoli, Panelist:
As we should. As we should. Frank, how often do you get down to the distillery?

Speaker 2 – Frank Loveridge, Panelist:
I try to get down there daily to do my tastings. No, I am totally kidding with you.

Speaker 1 – Chip DeBlock, Host:
Yes, and they told you to stop coming by there that early.

Speaker 2 – Frank Loveridge, Panelist:
It is becoming a problem.

Speaker 1 – Chip DeBlock, Host:
Well, not for them.

Speaker 2 – Frank Loveridge, Panelist:
No, not for them. I pay for it.

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Speaker 3 – Rich Deripoli, Panelist:
It’s funny you should mention Blanton’s. I’ll tell you a quick Blanton’s story. I’m in the Waldorf one night, Chip. As people know, the Waldorf is like a second home if you’re a Secret Service agent in New York because there is always a protectee staying at the Waldorf.

One night, I end up running across Sinatra. Frank Sinatra is playing in Nassau Coliseum, and I end up drinking with him all night long. It’s me, Sinatra, Julie Rizzo, his bodyguard, and Don Rickles, drinking in the Peacock Lounge.

Speaker 2 – Frank Loveridge, Panelist:
Oh, my gosh.

Speaker 3 – Rich Deripoli, Panelist:
Sinatra is drinking Black Meat bourbon out of iced-tea tumbler glasses, and he’s just handing them down. This went on. He said to me, “Kid, the drinking lamp is lit,” and we stayed down until about seven o’clock in the morning.

Speaker 2 – Frank Loveridge, Panelist:
Oh, man.

Speaker 1 – Chip DeBlock, Host:
And Don Rickles? Oh my gosh.

Speaker 3 – Rich Deripoli, Panelist:
Yeah, I met him several times. I said to Julie Rizzo, “I’d really like to get a picture with Mr. Sinatra.” He said, “Kid, do me a favor. Don’t take a picture of Frank. He thinks he’s 30 years old. You’ll end up rolling around on the floor with him.” No problem. He just sat there pounding them all night long.

Speaker 2 – Frank Loveridge, Panelist:
Well, he was part of the gang. There are some pretty wild stories.

Speaker 1 – Chip DeBlock, Host:
That’s crazy.

Guys, back to ChatGPT and using OpenAI and all these other sources. What are we going to leave the audience with? What is the final take on this thing as far as these platforms being biased? When we have a liberal source like The Washington Post coming out and saying they’re biased and mostly left-leaning, I have a tendency to believe them because they’re the ones coming out with it. What do you think?

Speaker 3 – Rich Deripoli, Panelist:
I totally agree with that. I think Frank put it perfectly. I’d also remind everyone, especially if you have kids in high school and college, make sure they read everything that they’ve written before they hit print. This stuff is so left-leaning and so biased, it’s ridiculous.

The problem is that when you continually read these types of things and see this information put out, it takes on a life of its own. That is what becomes interpreted as fact. If ChatGPT started telling people we never went to the moon and the world is flat, that is going to become fact over the course of the next five years as people assimilate through high school and college. It is ridiculous how biased these platforms can be.

Speaker 2 – Frank Loveridge, Panelist:
Richie, Chip, I use it all the time if I’m looking at data and want to analyze that data. If I’m looking at metrics and want to get some kind of comparison between things or even a trend analysis, which we’re doing right now for criminal statistics, it works great when you plug in the information. It can give you some solid data that you can use.

But when you’re looking for opinions or asking questions like that, you’re getting information from liberal sources. You’re getting it from the media. You have to be very careful because it might not be accurate. That’s the most important thing I would say the audience should learn from that.

Speaker 1 – Chip DeBlock, Host:
Good advice.

Speaker 3 – Rich Deripoli, Panelist:
There’s no substitute for the human brain.

Speaker 1 – Chip DeBlock, Host:
I love it. Moving along, at Tampa Free Press, we have a very interesting story for these two guys to talk about.

“Wood Chipper Hit List” is where we’re at. I have a feeling that if you guys were still active, your names might be on the list here. A New York 764 inmate is charged in a plot to murder FBI agents and a prosecutor.

An Albany man currently held on federal child-pornography charges is facing new criminal accusations after authorities unsealed a complaint. He allegedly tried to orchestrate the gruesome murders, and I will say that again, gruesome murders, of FBI agents and a prosecutor handling his case.

The guy’s name is Aaron Corey. I’m surprised to see that he’s only 23 years old, and hopefully he will spend the rest of his life in jail. He goes by the online alias Bagoth. He is charged with attempted murder for hire, solicitation of a crime of violence, and obstruction of justice.

According to federal court documents, Corey, or Bagoth, self-identifies as a member of 764, a decentralized criminal network of violent extremists. They target minors online and produce and share extreme gore and sexual-abuse material.

The alleged plot unfolded while Corey was awaiting trial in pretrial detention. Prosecutors say that he sent multiple letters to another inmate asking for assistance in hiring a hit guy. His goals were twofold. He wanted to steal the electronic devices the FBI had seized from him so they could not be used against him as evidence at trial. He also wanted to eliminate two FBI agents and the assistant U.S. attorney assigned to prosecute his case.

It gets better. According to the criminal complaint, his instructions were super-specific. He allegedly requested that the victims be kidnapped, injected with fentanyl, and then forced into a wood chipper. Court documents also note that when the original prosecutor on the case left, he updated the job to include the new attorney’s name.

The plan collapsed when the fellow inmate slid the information to his attorney, who gave it to the FBI. Through the same inmate, he hired a hit guy who ended up being an undercover FBI agent. The amounts being thrown around are pretty small. I can see my clock flashing in 10 seconds. Guys, stick with us. We’re going to finish this after the commercial break. We’ll be right back.

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Speaker 1 – Chip DeBlock, Host:
Welcome back to LEO Round Table at leoroundtable.com, the law-enforcement talk show. My name is Chip DeBlock, and I’m your host. We are joined by former Secret Service Special Agents in Charge, Frank Loveridge and Rich Deripoli. Thanks for being on the show, gentlemen.

When we went to the commercial break, we were in the middle of talking about the wood chipper hit list: a New York 764 inmate charged in a plot to murder the FBI agents and the prosecutor working his case.

This guy was very specific. He had a fellow inmate to whom he was passing notes about trying to hire a hit guy. He wanted to get the two FBI agents, and then when the existing prosecutor left and they got a new one, he threw that name on the list.

Court documents note that the plan collapsed when the fellow inmate, the one he was entrusting with these notes, passed the information to his attorney, who then gave it to the FBI. Of course, our fellow jailmate ends up working with the FBI and yokes our inmate up with a hit guy who is actually an undercover FBI agent.

Now let’s talk about the amount of money, which is a huge flag. Corey, also known as Bagoth, allegedly wrote a letter to the undercover officer outlining his terms: a $200 down payment. This is to whack two FBI agents, not just whack them. He wants them injected with fentanyl and thrown into a wood chipper, I suspect before they are deceased. Then he wants to kill the prosecutor.

He also wanted his electronics stolen so they could not be used against him. He offered $5,000 total to steal the electronics, plus $500 down and $30,000 total to execute the murders of those three individuals. I’m assuming the prosecutor who got off the case was taken off the list, but I don’t know that. I’m assuming there were only three instead of four.

Corey then spoke with the undercover officer multiple times and had his fiancée, who lives overseas, which I’m sure is a whole other story, wire the $700 in total down payments to him. That’s the way he rolls.

If convicted on these new counts, he faces a combined maximum penalty of about 50 years in federal prison, a $750,000 fine, and up to five years of supervised release. So if he’s 23, he’ll be 73 at that point.

Gentlemen, Rich, you want to take this one first?

Speaker 3 – Rich Deripoli, Panelist:
Sure. Listen, for $700 down, if you can clip two Bureau agents and a federal prosecutor, why not? It’s ridiculous, right? But that speaks volumes about where this kid’s head is at. “Kid” is the operative word. When I read this, I saw he was 23 years old. This kid has delusions as well as visions of grandeur. This isn’t Chicago in 1931. Nobody is whacking FBI agents and prosecutors. It’s absolutely ridiculous.

I can see why the fellow inmate would have latched onto this because that is the golden ticket for him. You have this kid who is somewhat serious about being able to carry this out, and he passes a note to a fellow inmate. I’m sure that fellow inmate went running right to the warden or the head security guard in the jail and told him, “Hey, I can unravel this whole plot for you.” This is great. I hope this guy stays in jail for the rest of his life. What an idiot.

Speaker 2 – Frank Loveridge, Panelist:
Amen to that, Richie. I’ve got to tell you, these people are sick. They’re mentally ill. We see this too often now. Look at 764. This is a website that basically talks about the exploitation of children, and to me, there is nothing lower than that.

The FBI needs to keep up its due diligence and go after these people. They need to get into this and infiltrate this website or this organization, if you want to call it that. Let’s see more arrests, because this is just plain sick. We’re seeing way too much of this nowadays.

Speaker 3 – Rich Deripoli, Panelist:
The other thing is that this 23-year-old punk is in for a rude awakening because, regardless of what jail you’re in, jails don’t take too well to child molesters, child traffickers, and child pornography. I don’t think this guy is long for this world. He might actually end up in a wood chipper very soon.

Speaker 2 – Frank Loveridge, Panelist:
That’s exactly right. If you go to prison and you’re flagged as a molester, a child molester, or a pedophile, you’re going to have a difficult time surviving in that prison. They do have a code about that, believe it or not, even for criminals.

Speaker 1 – Chip DeBlock, Host:
Isn’t that something? That’s a long time in jail if he makes it that long.

Moving on, we’ve got Rumble.com and This Is Butter, our favorite law-enforcement video channel. We’ve got a police K9 injured after being dragged by a suspect in a stolen truck.

Speaker 5 – Video / Incident Audio:
Get the fuck out of here. Get the fuck out of here. Get the fuck out of here.

Speaker 1 – Chip DeBlock, Host:
I love police canines. I read the title, and I was thinking, do I really want to watch this? I’m glad it’s not that bad, but oh my gosh.

Oklahoma City, Oklahoma. The Oklahoma City Police Department K9 is recovering after being dragged by a suspect driving a stolen vehicle. I kept waiting for the dog to release, and I know the handler, who ended up holding on to the lead, was trying to get the dog to release, but he couldn’t. Then he has to sit there and watch this thing go down. I’m thinking, oh my gosh. It’s just like the dog is in the moment, right? This is what they live for.

Around 8:15 p.m. on June 28, police find a stolen vehicle. It’s a huge truck. The suspect initially gets out of it, and then, according to the article, jumps back in. Let me set the scene and do a word picture for the people who haven’t watched the video yet.

If you want to watch this video, during the live show it’s too difficult to play a video, but the very next day, tomorrow at nine o’clock in the morning on our Rumble channel called LEO Round Table, we will have a version of this live show that has all the videos embedded into it. As we talk about it, you’ll be watching the video. It’s really one of the best ways to watch the show.

They pull over this box truck, for lack of a better word, a big truck. The driver, or car thief, or truck thief, is out of it. They have the cavalry there. The officers are outside. You’ve got a K9 handler there with his canine on the lead. The dog is already lunging, but they are a good hundred feet or so away from the bad guy. They’re there just in case something goes south, which it does.

They’re having the bad guy come toward them. They want to arrest him, and what does he do? He turns around and makes a run back toward the open driver’s door. The K9 handler releases the lead on the dog immediately. If it hadn’t been for the dog, the guy might have been able to get the door closed and get away. They still would have ended up catching him, but maybe without incident. The dog jumps through the open door as he’s trying to close it and nails the guy’s leg.

Now the dog is attached to the bad guy. I like the fact that the handler and everybody else are running up with the dog. A lot of times these handlers will release the dog and not get up close and personal while the bad guy is stabbing the dog, and they’re not around to protect the dog.

The guy puts the truck in gear and starts driving away. Now he is dragging the dog. The dog is literally on the ground. His hindquarters are on the ground, but he is biting the guy’s leg. He is being dragged, and our K9 handler is running as fast as he can. He’s pulling back on the dog, and he finally gets to where he just can’t hold on anymore. He falls backward and has to release the lead. The dog is being dragged and dragged.

You really don’t find out until you watch the surveillance whether the surveillance was from a police helicopter. It didn’t really look like it. It looked more like an elevated camera on some kind of a service, but it caught the whole thing. This dog is being dragged and dragged. It took forever for the dog to finally release.

The bad guy drives away. He’s chased, goes on railroad tracks, and his truck gets stuck in rocks. He bails out into the woods. They end up getting him. The only thing that would have made the story better is if the same dog he dragged would have been able to get him in the end.

The dog ends up going to a veterinarian. His paws were damaged, but they expect him to fully recover. Bad guy is in jail, so it has a good ending. Commentary on this one, guys? Anybody? I know you guys are both dog lovers. Frank, you’re making the move. Go ahead.

Speaker 2 – Frank Loveridge, Panelist:
First of all, I’ve rescued two dogs and have a strong affection for both of them. They’re family, and we loved one. We eventually had to put her down, but then we got a second dog right away, another rescue dog, and she’s still with us.

My affection for dogs is very clear, and I hate to see something like this happen. But if you think about it, all of these instances we talk about occur when someone does not obey the police, when they decide to try to take off or get away.

You don’t normally succeed nowadays with technology, aerial surveillance, drones, and everything else that goes on. They always say you cannot outrun a Motorola. We remember those terms when we were police officers, and that’s true. They’re not going to get away.

Why do they do it? It’s just stupidity. To drag a dog and put that dog into a veterinarian’s hands, I’m glad the K9 is good, but that’s unacceptable as well. This person needs to be held accountable for that too. When the police pull you over, you get your day in court. Just do as you’re told. Take your summons, whatever it may be, and press on from there. Do not run. Do not disobey the police officer, because if you do, you’re going to be one of these stories we talk about on LEO Round Table.

Speaker 1 – Chip DeBlock, Host:
Thanks. Rich, you’ve got 15 seconds.

Speaker 3 – Rich Deripoli, Panelist:
I’m a huge proponent of using the dog as a tool in law enforcement. Between the dogs and the horses from mounted cops, I think those are the most underutilized tools you can have in today’s law-enforcement environment.

Speaker 1 – Chip DeBlock, Host:
The dog, yeah, this is what they live for. I know they’re just oblivious to being dragged and stuff. We would let go a lot sooner. I don’t know. Frank may not have, but there we go. We’re going back in. We’ll be back in a second after the commercial break.

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Speaker 1 – Chip DeBlock, Host:
Welcome back to LEO Round Table at leoroundtable.com, the law-enforcement talk show. My name is Chip DeBlock, and I’m your host. We’re joined by former Secret Service Special Agents in Charge, Rich Deripoli and Frank Loveridge. Thanks for being on the show, guys.

We just covered a great story about a police K9 doing his job quite effectively, but he got dragged by a bad guy driving a stolen truck. The bad guy went to jail, the dog went to the vet, and the dog is going to have a full recovery. That’s all good.

Are you guys ready to go to LAPD for a second before we cover the pork story?

At Rumble.com and This Is Butter, LAPD officers injure a suspect in a shooting who was armed with a gun and a knife, but it started as a noise complaint.

Speaker 5 – Video / Incident Audio:
Drop the gun. Drop the gun. Drop the gun. He dropped it. He dropped it.

Speaker 1 – Chip DeBlock, Host:
This is one of those things where you really never know what you’re going to get when you have a benign call.

Los Angeles, California. On March 10, around 6:50 in the morning, LAPD Wilshire Patrol Division uniformed officers get a call about assault with a deadly weapon, with a suspect possibly still at the location. The person reporting stated that the suspect, later identified as Jamil Bashir, pulled a gun on him when the complainant asked Bashir to turn down his music.

The officers met with the complainant, who directed them to Bashir’s residence. After they requested additional resources, the officers attempted to make contact with the bad guy.

During the contact, Bashir produces a gun, prompting officers to redeploy to the street while issuing verbal commands. They back up and move to the street, asking him to surrender. He suddenly exits the front door of the residence and runs directly toward the officers while armed with a handgun in his left hand and a knife in his right hand. He has two weapons. The handgun is pointed at the officers, resulting in an officer-involved shooting.

He is struck once, falls to the ground, and drops both items, the handgun and the knife. Then he stands back up and runs back inside the residence. A short time later, he complies with officers’ commands to surrender and is taken into custody without further incident.

He is treated for a gunshot wound to the jaw and is listed in stable condition before they put him in jail. Officers recovered a handgun and a six-inch black folding knife at the scene. The handgun was a Glock 19 BB gun loaded with two pellets, basically .177-caliber rounds, and charged with a CO2 cartridge.

Going back to my show notes, this guy produces the gun when they knock on the door. He suddenly runs from the apartment toward police with both items in his hands before shots are fired. He goes down, drops them, and runs back inside the residence after being shot in the jaw.

They did a pretty good slow motion with a zoom at nine minutes and five seconds. The suspect finally ended up surrendering. A lot of the stuff you just miss without the slow motion, freeze frames, or zooms. When you’re there in real life, your brain, especially when you see a lot of this stuff, has a way of slowing things down so you can comprehend. But when you’re watching things in real time on a video, it is just too easy to miss some of the good stuff.

Frank Loveridge, you want to take this one, or Rich? Whoever wants to jump in first.

Speaker 2 – Frank Loveridge, Panelist:
What I was going to say is that you never know what you are going to run into when you’re responding to these types of incidents. We worked a lot of financial crimes in New York City, as well as all over the world. I was in Thailand working on a case where I actually effected an arrest. I never expected someone to pull a shotgun on me when I went through the door. It just happens.

You go out there thinking you’re dealing with a financial-crime situation and this person doesn’t want to go to jail, or whatever it may be, and you don’t know what mental state they’re in. You deal with it. That’s what happens here. It was a noise complaint, but you see it can turn bad really quickly.

Every day, and I know that your audience out there is made up of a lot of law-enforcement officials, they know what this is all about. They know that every day they go to work, their job is to come home safely. They could run into any type of incident, no matter what the reason for the call for service is. It can turn bad really quickly. I’m just glad everybody made it out of there.

Speaker 3 – Rich Deripoli, Panelist:
I’m going to jump on that, Frank. No one needs to be taught that when the police knock on your door, regardless of what it’s for, you probably don’t want to answer the door and then come running at the police with a gun in one hand, BB gun or not, and a knife in the other, and just think there are no repercussions for that.

It’s unfortunate they didn’t kill this guy, because I’m sure he wasn’t in his house curing cancer or pondering the next great piece of literary art. You get what you pay for. This guy thought there were no repercussions for his actions, and this is what happens.

Speaker 1 – Chip DeBlock, Host:
Shot in the jaw. Ouch.

All right, guys, we’ve got one last story. I’m hoping we have the time. Tampa Free Press: “It’s just bacon.” Florida woman faces a hate-crime charge after leaving pork outside a Muslim-owned store.

A 61-year-old Florida woman, and that automatically gives Florida a bad name because I have to say she’s in Florida, is facing a hate-crime charge after authorities say she intentionally left pork products on the ground outside a Muslim-owned grocery store.

Christine Fernandez was arrested on June 22 and officially charged two days later with harassment or intimidation based on religious or ethnic heritage. The charge is classified as a hate crime under Florida law.

This happened in the afternoon on May 30 outside of a store specializing in Middle Eastern groceries, and it is owned by Hiba Sherif. Surveillance video shows Fernandez placing pork products on the sidewalk near the entrance to the store. The article points out that dietary laws in Islam strictly forbid the consumption of pork. They’re not consuming it, but it’s there at the entrance.

Fernandez was later identified with the help of employees at a nearby restaurant who reviewed security footage. Staff recognized her as being the girlfriend of one of their regular customers. I’m sure that guy is embarrassed.

According to the arrest affidavit, she admitted to the act when contacted by Port St. Lucie police, but she denied that it was malicious. She stated that she was participating in a bet regarding who could place bacon bits in front of a store, and she viewed the act as a prank. She refused to apologize to the business owners and said, “It was a joke. I dropped it there, and that’s exactly what I did. It was in poor taste. It wasn’t funny, maybe not to them. It’s just bacon.” That was her response.

Law enforcement rejected the explanation. The arrest affidavit asserts that she knowingly selected the business she perceived to be associated with Islam or Middle Eastern culture and intentionally deposited the pork products at the location because of that perceived association. It added that the purposeful targeting of the business solely because of the victims’ perceived association met the definition of a hate crime. She was booked into a local jail and released on a $750 bond.

Gentlemen, Rich, this one is all yours.

Speaker 3 – Rich Deripoli, Panelist:
As we approach the 25th anniversary of the September 11 attacks, if you think these people are getting any sympathy from me, it’s not going to happen.

The fact that this is classified as a hate crime is ridiculous. Tell me why, when 10,000 of these people can storm into Grand Central Terminal or take over the Brooklyn Bridge at five o’clock on a Friday at rush hour, chanting “Death to America” and “Free Palestine,” nobody has a thing to say about that. But this woman goes out and drops some pieces of bacon on a Muslim’s doorstep, and all of a sudden we’re rolling out SWAT teams and prosecutors from DOJ to prosecute this woman for hate crimes.

Something is screwed up here. While I don’t condone what she did, the bottom line is that I don’t see a balance between a hate crime on one end and what goes on in New York every day or Chicago on the other.

Speaker 1 – Chip DeBlock, Host:
You have people agreeing with you. I’ve got to admit, I’m a little surprised with the hate-crime application. I couldn’t imagine being active and getting this call and charging her. It’s one thing if they ordered a product and they ingested pork or something they didn’t order, but this is at the entrance.

Speaker 3 – Rich Deripoli, Panelist:
I can’t blame the cops for this one because you’re responding to something. Sometimes, listen, it’s cut and dry. You’re told you have to effect an arrest. I get it. Your job isn’t to set policy or even opine on policy. It’s either arrest or not.

It’s the prosecutors and the judiciary here. They are weak and spineless, and they will do anything they can to opine on anything that is anti-American. This is a travesty that this woman was arrested and prosecuted.

Speaker 1 – Chip DeBlock, Host:
We’ll see what happens. Guys, any final words? Frank?

Speaker 2 – Frank Loveridge, Panelist:
I’m just going to say I agree with Richie. I don’t condone the behavior, but once again, I don’t see the law being implemented equally to other groups. I think other groups have been under the gun for quite some time, and we don’t see the same type of hate crimes being lodged. I agree with Richie, and kudos to you for what you said.

Speaker 1 – Chip DeBlock, Host:
All right. Thank you, gentlemen, so much for being on the show. Again, retired Secret Service Special Agents in Charge Rich Deripoli and Frank Loveridge. Thank you, guys. You gave some great commentary and did great feeding off each other too. You made all the deadlines for the show and the commercials. How can I ask for anything more?

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