Speaker Identification
Speaker 1: Chip DeBlock, host of LEO Round Table.
Speaker 2: Lieutenant Randy Sutton, retired Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department lieutenant and founder of The Wounded Blue.
Speaker 3: Dr. Travis Yates, retired Tulsa Police Department major.
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Speaker 1: Welcome to LEO Round Table at LEORoundTable.com. My name is Chip DeBlock, and I'm your host for a group of law enforcement professionals who talk about today's news and issues from a law enforcement perspective.

Let me introduce the crew. Guys, if you don't mind waving for the video portion of our show - and I just had a crack of lightning, so I guess I'm in the middle of a thunderstorm here in Tampa, Florida, the lightning capital, by the way. But yes, we've got Dr. Travis Yates, retired major from the Tulsa Police Department. Thanks for being on the show, Dr. Yates.

Also, we have Lieutenant Randy Sutton, founder of The Wounded Blue, at TheWoundedBlue.org, and former Las Vegas Metro Police lieutenant. Thank you, gentlemen.

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Now, to whet your appetite about what we're going to be talking about, guys, I think I'm going to drop the first main topic. In short, we have a former Fox reporter being held in contempt of court because she does not want to give up a source. It's really more of a national security kind of thing, and the Supreme Court justices have put a stay on that for now. They're going to be making a decision.

But the first one we'll talk about is: "Feds Fight 'Attorney as Hostage' Ruling After Court Penalizes Government Lawyer for ICE Property Delays." I know I didn't send that to you guys, but I'll go through this in order. It's a pretty interesting case, to be honest with you, and I'm curious what you guys think about it.

We've also got St. Tammany Parish sheriff pleads guilty and agrees to resign. That's an interesting story. We have footage of a killer smashing a glass bottle over a cop's head across the pond before trying to throw her off a balcony. Then we have a North Carolina bill expanding ICE cooperation and restricting benefits to become law. They're doing the right thing; the governor was not.

We've got a man wielding a 13-inch knife at a New York City grocery store before police shoot him, and then: "Inside the Gruesome Homicide Investigation Shocking Texas Authorities." Yes, that female is available and needs a new boyfriend. We have LAPD officers injuring a suspect in a shooting; he's armed with a gun and a knife after a noise complaint. It's just breaking. A Florida woman faces a hate-crime charge after leaving pork outside a Muslim-owned store. A 58-year-old who was armed with a BB-gun rifle is fatally shot by Denver police. We'll be covering all of that.

Let's start out with the Tampa Free Press real quick: "Feds Fight 'Attorney as Hostage' Ruling After Court Penalizes Government Lawyer for ICE Property Delays." Remember, we're talking about the DOJ under Trump 2.0, right? We're not talking about Biden's DOJ or anything of the sort.

The U.S. Department of Justice is pushing back against a federal court that ruled a government lawyer is personally liable for a federal agency's failure to return a migrant's personal belongings on time. Here's what happened. On June 23 of this year, 2026, a U.S. Court of Appeals for the Eighth Circuit filing from federal appellate attorneys argued that the Minnesota district court crossed a clear legal line when it placed a special assistant U.S. attorney named Matthew Saari in contempt of court.

Now, why did they do that? The lower court had ordered the acting U.S. attorney, Isahara, to pay a daily running fine out of his own pocket until ICE found and delivered the property that belonged to the petitioner, Rigoberto Soto Jimenez.

It starts with a habeas corpus release. They basically ordered this immigrant released, and they did that. They met the deadline. However, his personal property and identity documents were still tied up at the detention facility in El Paso, Texas. The thing that kind of makes this weird is that when the judge told the attorney the timeline, he did not actively relay it in a timely manner. So the delay is arguably because the attorney did not relay it. The guy got out on time; he just didn't get all of his belongings back. Now they want to fine this acting U.S. attorney on a daily basis.

The Justice Department argues that coercive civil contempt is legally designed only to force an individual to perform an action that they actually have the power to do. They're saying that because this attorney has no control over what the ICE facility does, or over ICE finding the materials and returning them, they cannot really fine this guy. The brief explicitly warned against what it termed the "attorney as hostage" theory of a district court's civil-contempt power.

So that's what they're doing. They're calling it civil contempt, just like they did with that reporter who had a confidential source she did not want to reveal to the DOJ. It's kind of the same thing. They're saying you cannot fine a lawyer to pressure a client, and that there is no principle of respondeat superior in civil-contempt law.

So there you go. I'm curious, Randy. We'll start off with you. Holding an assistant U.S. attorney and fining him daily until the property comes back - does that pass the smell test? Remember, he wasn't Johnny-on-the-spot with letting the people know about the judge's decision and that there was a timeline to begin with.

Speaker 2: Yes, there should be responsibility, but how do you, from an organizational standpoint, say it has to come out of his own personal pocket? I don't understand how a court has the authority to do that. But we've seen such insane rulings by a number of courts lately that I guess nothing could surprise us.

Speaker 1: Yes, you may be right. So it may be appealed. Travis?

Speaker 3: Well, we've heard time and time again about holding law enforcement accountable and that they shouldn't have immunity for this or that. Listen, the big problem in the criminal justice system - and everyone knows this, but they just won't say it - is the judges. They're untouchable. They have full immunity. They can do whatever they want. Many of them at the federal level have lifetime appointments, and that's why we get these silly decisions. There's no accountability for them.

I know the Supreme Court decisions make the news and this and that, but you've got these district courts all over the country. You see what they've done to President Trump. A lot of common-sense issues - what they do is use the courts to hold everything up. Then, as you all know, he ends up winning after all the appeals and it goes through the process, but it's all designed to deflect, deflate, and conspire against him. That's just what it is, because they never hold up.

So I guess there is accountability through the appeal process, but the system's a joke. I think most people know it. You can do one Google search and see the rapist or murderer who got no prison time or whatever. We see these articles all the time, what these judges are doing, and it's a shame. Little by little, we've crept into this issue, and that's the whole issue with criminal justice.

First off, look at violent recidivism, gentlemen. The vast majority of violent crime is committed by people who should still be in prison, right? Or they were given shortened sentences or no sentences, and the judges are never held up for accountability for that.

Speaker 1: Yes, that little thing called absolute immunity is something, isn't it?

Speaker 3: Destructive. Completely destructive.

Speaker 1: Well, guys, if you're ready, we've got another one here on hold. We've got an update story. It's at Fox8Live.com: "St. Tammany Sheriff Pleads Guilty and Agrees to Resign." They don't build them all equal.

Here we go. We're in Covington, Louisiana. St. Tammany Parish Sheriff Randy Smith pled guilty on Wednesday, June 24, to second-degree battery and disturbing the peace through public intoxication, and he agreed to resign no later than 1 p.m. under a plea agreement in his criminal case.

So it's not necessarily about just having too much to drink. It's about what he did when he did it. This guy definitely does not belong as the sheriff.

According to the plea agreement, Sheriff Smith pled guilty to felony second-degree battery in connection with the battery committed against Robert "Bobby" Kovalen. This happened back on May 29. The agreement states that the incident occurred on May 29 and was captured on surveillance video, which didn't help the sheriff out any, at Keith Young's Steakhouse in Madisonville.

The agreement says the sheriff had consumed multiple alcoholic beverages at a restaurant open to the public before approaching Kovalen from behind. Apparently, this guy was a critic of the sheriff. Kovalen was approached from behind. The sheriff grabbed him around the neck, pulled him to the ground, and the agreement says Smith struck him multiple times while he was on the ground until patrons and staff pulled the sheriff off him.

The sheriff also pled guilty to misdemeanor disturbing the peace through public intoxication. The only thing missing is just him - I'm glad he didn't urinate or anything in public. That's the only thing missing out of this.

The plea agreement says the state agreed the deal is a full and final resolution of all criminal offenses, so nothing else is going to come out of this. We're not going to go back and recharge him. The only issue is if he does not meet the conditions of this agreement.

Under the agreement, the sheriff's sentence on the disturbing-the-peace charge will be suspended. He will be placed into the 21st Judicial District Court's special court program and placed on probation for two years, essentially until he successfully completes the program. The trial court will retain jurisdiction to modify the guilty plea from second-degree battery to misdemeanor simple battery once he completes the program and all four phases of it.

So he agreed to resign from this elected position, and he's no longer the sheriff. District Attorney Colin Simmons said the deal allows the St. Tammany Parish Sheriff's Office to move forward and get somebody to replace him.

Any commentary, guys? Does anybody know this guy? I don't know. Randy might even know him. Randy Sutton?

Speaker 2: No, I don't know him, but I'd like to go drinking with him.

Speaker 1: I wonder what his drink was.

Speaker 2: This guy sounds like fun.

Speaker 1: Yes. In reading this article, there was another guy involved with him who apparently sicced the sheriff on the guy. His buddy said, "Hey, there's so-and-so. Go take him out and beat him."

Speaker 2: Yes, he's got him for sheriff.

Speaker 1: Yes, he's an expert. We're going to go to the commercial break. We will be back.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to LEO Round Table at LEORoundTable.com, the law enforcement talk show. My name is Chip DeBlock, and I'm your host. We're joined by Dr. Travis Yates, former police major with the Tulsa Police Department, and Lieutenant Randy Sutton, former Las Vegas Metro Police lieutenant and founder of The Wounded Blue at TheWoundedBlue.org.

We have already talked about a main topic, and we just got done talking about an update topic. The update was the St. Tammany sheriff pleading guilty. He did something stupid while being intoxicated, and he paid the price. I really have no problem with there being a higher expectation for people like that in law enforcement. People expect more out of us. I took the job knowing that, and I have no problem with that. I expect it out of our police leaders as well.

If there is no more commentary, guys - if there is, great. If not, we'll move on to the first story of the video component.

All right. Let's see what we've got. We're going to go to our favorite law-enforcement video channel, Rumble.com, and the channel is called This Is Butter. We have footage from across the pond. There's going to be a lot to talk about here: a killer smashing a glass bottle over a female cop's head before he tries to throw her off a balcony.

[Video audio contains repeated commands and overlapping, mostly unintelligible speech.]

Speaker 1: I know, right? I see Randy shaking his head. Yes, there's going to be a lot to talk about.

Here we go. We're in Devon, in the United Kingdom. They call them PCs over there. PC Alice Beer, a female officer with Devon and Cornwall Police, ends up being attacked by this guy named Guy Puddle after officers attended. They arrived on scene on February 10 after reports of an assault on a woman.

The weird thing is that when the officers roll up, she's got a body cam on her, and she sees this - we're going to call him a bad guy. He's definitely a bad guy. When you read the title of the article, it says footage of a killer smashing a bottle over a cop's head, but they don't really say anything about who he killed. All you know is that there is a report of an assault on a woman. So I have to at least assume there is a possibility that this dude killed a woman before the British cops showed up because they're calling him a killer.

Puddle, or the bad guy, whom they say is of no fixed abode, lives in Exeter. The female officer wearing the body cam sees him on the other side of a balcony railing, elevated, at least on a second floor, and it looks like he's going to jump. So she starts running at him and yelling for him to stop because now she's out of male-beating-female mode. She just sees a guy who wants to commit suicide.

She goes and grabs him. While she's holding onto him, trying to keep him from jumping off the balcony - she's on the inside of the balcony, he's on the other side with the railing between them - he's got his left hand free. She can't see it. When he swings around, he's got a glass vodka bottle, and he smashes it over her head. She releases.

He kind of jumps off the balcony, but he's still in the elevated position. He doesn't go all the way down to the ground. He comes back over and jumps back over the balcony. Now it's beat-down time. He starts beating her. She starts fighting back. I have to give her that. Then she starts yelling for help.

At some point, if you read the article, it says the cops - the cavalry - came in and helped her out, but that doesn't match what I saw. Maybe you guys saw something different, but I saw her give him a decent kick or push. I'm assuming it was more of a kick. He goes down on the balcony and away from her, but she's bleeding. Then he jumps over the balcony, and they end up getting him.

She ends up being pretty badly injured. She has to go to the hospital with a large cut over her right eye, multiple smaller cuts on her face, and bruising and scratches to her neck and arms. The bad guy told police he had drunk one and a half liters of vodka before the attack. I'm assuming, Randy, it was the same glass vodka bottle that he smashed over her head.

Since returning to work, PC Beer said it has affected all aspects of her life, especially when she works. That's what happened. That's the lowdown. What do you guys think? Randy, you started us off on this one, so you've got the most experience here with this kind of stuff.

Speaker 2: With getting bottles broken over my head?

Speaker 1: I'm not going to get technical, but yes.

Speaker 2: Well, I'd say that thing looked like a Western movie. He hit her so hard with that bottle. That bottle shattered. It really looked like one of those Western movies. Man, that had to really, really hurt.

Despite that, though, she stayed in the fight. She was okay until she was actually screaming like a little girl, which was not impressive. But the fact is that she did engage. This is what happens when there is only one of you and you're trying to deal with a combative subject. Sometimes it goes south, and you had better be prepared for it.

Speaker 3: Yes. It's also what happens when you're in the UK, where most of them don't have weapons and they haven't been trained in proper police protocol. Everybody remember, we've been lectured by the UK for years as American police officers, saying we're doing it wrong because we have these incidents of deadly force.

There are literally no guns typically in that country, so it's a totally different environment. Don't forget, ICAT, the PERF de-escalation training that has gone across this country with $100-plus million of government support - and every year, for six years, use of force has actually increased - came from the UK. Chuck Wexler at PERF came back from a conference in the UK and brought these principles to American policing.

It's two different environments. It's two different worlds. She's lucky she's not dead. The only reason he didn't get her thrown off the balcony is that he just stopped trying. We need to get back to reality in this country. As we've often talked about on this show, we're at the highest record of officer assaults in our history. Meanwhile, we're pushing training and curriculum that's supposed to bring all of that down, but it's doing the exact opposite. We need to get back to reality, get back to protecting cops, and protect civilians. We're about as far from that as possible.

Speaker 1: Guys, can you imagine? Look, I'm glad she wanted to stay in the fight. She was fighting for survival, but this dude was trying to pick her up and throw her off the balcony. I was watching her grab onto that railing with a death grip, just trying to prevent that from happening. Could you imagine being thrown off that balcony by that guy? She's lucky. She's lucky.

I saw she had some kind of - I'm assuming it was pepper spray - in her hand at one point. I don't know if she successfully deployed it or not, but yes, it definitely could have gone the other way. It certainly was a lethal-force situation. If it had been here in the States, it would have been a lethal-force situation.

Speaker 3: Yes, we've been asking why she didn't de-escalate, because that's what we've gotten from this country and from some of the training we've exposed these officers to. De-escalation is great when people want to de-escalate.

Speaker 1: Oh, yes.

Speaker 3: I have not seen violent criminals yet who are willing to de-escalate. This guy wasn't.

Speaker 1: Yes, so you're right. If she were working in the state of California or Washington State, she would be having to answer some questions about why no de-escalation. Guys, we're going back into another commercial. Stick with us. We'll be right back.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to LEO Round Table at LEORoundTable.com, the law enforcement talk show. My name is Chip DeBlock, and I'm your host. We are joined by Lieutenant Randy Sutton, former Las Vegas Metro Police lieutenant and founder of The Wounded Blue at TheWoundedBlue.org, and Dr. Travis Yates, retired major from the Tulsa Police Department. Thanks, guys, for being on the show.

We have been talking about a story with a video component from across the pond in the UK, where a female officer grabs onto this guy. They're labeling him as a killer. The original call was assault on a female, so I'm making at least a reasonable assumption this guy maybe killed a female victim before the cops showed up.

Now this officer is trying to prevent him from committing suicide by jumping over the railing, and she reaches across the railing to grab him. He cracks her over the head with a glass vodka bottle, after consuming one and a half liters of vodka. Then he jumps over and tries to pick her up and throw her off the balcony. Anyhow, she ends up kicking him away or somehow getting him away from her after a brutal fight and her screaming for help. Then he jumps off the balcony. They both go to the hospital, I'm assuming, but he ends up surviving.

Any more commentary on that, gentlemen? Travis brought up a good point about how this new hoopla with using less-lethal and really trying to de-escalate came from the same country whose video we're watching, where they just don't have the goods in order to get the job done - but they've got the answers.

Speaker 2: If we're going to be talking about British policing, we have a lot to talk about, because they have become something that is highly discouraging, in my opinion. They are being tasked with restraining free speech in some major ways, and they are literally usurping people's rights. They arrest people for social media posts now, and it's really disturbing.

If anybody ever watches Katie Hopkins, she is my favorite Brit who makes commentary. She is amazing. Katie Hopkins is fearless, fearless, and they've tried to arrest her because she is critical of the British government.

Speaker 3: As both gentlemen know, I wrote The Courageous Police Leader years ago. Shortly after that came out, I started getting contacted by a lot of leaders there in Britain, the United Kingdom - whatever you call it, that goofy country that likes soccer and calls it football, and they're wrong.

They saw this coming about 10 years ago. They were telling me stories that were percolating about 10 years ago, and of course, it has progressively gotten to where now we're all very well aware of it.

If you look at our country, you've seen it kind of go down this same road. We're behind them, but you've seen it go along the same road, with immigration playing a piece of it, because immigration over there has made most of their urban cities uninhabitable. That's been well documented.

Speaker 1: I still haven't forgotten what you said about the de-escalation playbook coming from somebody who went over to the UK to get it. They were just so impressed with what they had going on over there, and now everything is de-escalation - especially as you go toward the West Coast, California, Washington State. You cannot even have a conversation about it.

Speaker 3: I'm not going to say he lied, but there is no doubt he mis-supplied what is going on in the UK. He talked about how they have so many fewer deadly-force incidents than use-of-force incidents. Well, yes, they do. They're not dealing with criminals in Detroit, Chicago, and Seattle, right? It's a completely different playbook there.

It's just a shame. I don't blame Chuck Wexler. He's doing a job he's supposed to do. That's what he's doing. I blame the leaders who listen to that without thinking for themselves.

Speaker 2: Yes. Chuck Wexler was a tool of the Obama administration and is partially responsible for the decline of safety for cops in America. Partially, I blame him.

Speaker 3: I think Chuck Wexler is the Tony Fauci of law enforcement. I think we're going to look back in time and see that what they brought us caused more officer injury and death than anybody ever. That's, of course, just my opinion, right? But I'm looking at data. I'm looking at the data where his training has gone, and I've seen the increase in injuries, assaults, and law-enforcement deaths. I don't know what else I'm supposed to say other than, before his training and after his training, that's the result we're seeing, and that's what concerns me.

We don't want to give out advice on the show - even though it's the norm, we don't want to give out advice - because it can get cops injured or killed. We can see what's happening because we're covering it every day. A lot of people just don't get it. The law doesn't go off.

Speaker 3: Well, Chip, if there were a sense of right and wrong, people would evaluate what they're telling people. Now we're four, five, six years past this training, and we should be saying, "Okay, let's evaluate this." Well, no one has done that.

When I started going into different states and departments that have adopted this, what I found was out of control. Just real quick, the most recent study was with the state of New Jersey. Thirty-three thousand cops went through ICAT training. It's the PERF de-escalation training that most cops have been exposed to, based out of the United Kingdom. Thirty-three thousand cops went through it. It took three years. The year after they all went through it, use of force went up 9.5%.

They didn't study officer injuries or officer deaths, and I wonder why. But just that metric alone - if de-escalation is supposed to mitigate force, in the state of New Jersey it had the actual opposite effect. We're seeing that same trend across the country.

Speaker 1: I just put up a banner called FocusCertified.com on the site. If people want more information about this, if you've got their curiosity - especially if you've got a police leader here who maybe is thinking to themselves, "I'm not so sold on what we're doing" - but you've got the stats, you've got the receipts, how can they get a hold of you and get more information?

Speaker 3: Just go to that website. They'll route your contact information over to me, and there will be a place to put that. We actually took real research and real data, and we applied it to a training curriculum that will mitigate force, that will de-escalate. The difference is, when you face violent criminals, we're not telling people, "Oh, buy time and be nice and act like Chick-fil-A." No. When somebody is displaying violent tendencies, you need to act quickly and decisively, and that will reduce levels of force. We've seen that throughout this training and throughout this country.

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Speaker 1: Wow, that's huge. All right, guys, the two websites: FocusCertified.com - I have it on the screen - and the other one, TheWoundedBlue.org, will have a link to the summit as well, correct, Randy?

Speaker 2: Yep.

Speaker 1: I've got that one ready to go. Keep those two in mind, and make sure you get your reservations for the summit, which is coming up in September. What are the dates again, Randy, for the summit?

Speaker 2: September 28 through the 30th in Las Vegas at the fabulous Palace Station Hotel.

Speaker 1: All right, the very end of September, guys. Mark that down in your calendar.

We've got a little over two minutes before our next commercial break. We have another one. This is a good story, a feel-good story, from WFAE.org: "North Carolina Bill Expanding ICE Cooperation and Restricting Benefits to Become Law."

Listen to this. The North Carolina House voted on Wednesday to override something the governor was trying to do. If you read between the lines, there is a little bit of a battle going on, but kudos to the state Congress on this one.

The North Carolina House voted on Wednesday to override Governor Josh Stein's veto of a controversial immigration bill, allowing it to become law. We're talking about Senate Bill 153. Senate Bill 153 requires all state law-enforcement agencies in North Carolina to cooperate with ICE.

The governor vetoed that. He did not want that to go through. He does not want them cooperating with ICE or with the feds. The bill also bars - think about this now - undocumented immigrants from receiving certain state-funded public benefits, including Medicaid, housing assistance, and childcare subsidies. So the governor wanted the illegals to be able to get all this stuff.

UNC institutions are also prohibited from becoming sanctuary institutions. You've got to love this. The North Carolina Senate voted to override the veto as well. With Wednesday's House vote, the bill can now become law. You've got to love that. Randy Sutton?

Speaker 2: Yes, I'm actually really shocked that North Carolina, which is one of the states that decided they're not going to participate in the 250-year anniversary of our country, passed that.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to LEO Round Table at LEORoundTable.com, the law enforcement talk show. My name is Chip DeBlock, and I'm your host. We're joined by Dr. Travis Yates, former police major from the Tulsa Police Department, and Lieutenant Randy Sutton, founder of The Wounded Blue at TheWoundedBlue.org.

We've been talking about the North Carolina bill, where the North Carolina legislature kind of backdoored the governor when he tried to veto something. He wanted illegals to get access to - let me just run through the list - Medicaid was the first one, housing assistance, and childcare subsidies. Then they talked about sanctuary institutions, and the House and the Senate put an end to it. You've got to love that.

Any more commentary on that, guys, or are you ready to move on to a story with a video component? You're ready.

All right. We've got another one here. I thought this was the 58-year-old with the BB rifle, but actually, no - kitchen knife. We've got Rumble.com, This Is Butter's channel: "Man Wielding a 13-Inch Kitchen Knife at a New York City Grocery Store Before Police Shoot Him."

[Video audio contains commands to drop the knife and overlapping, mostly unintelligible speech.]

Speaker 1: It's a supermarket, and it's 1:36 in the morning on April 6. The preliminary investigation showed that police learned the 53-year-old bad guy had visited the supermarket about 15 minutes earlier and had become involved in a verbal dispute with a worker. The man was subsequently ejected from the premises.

Now the inspector is explaining that the bad guy returned 15 minutes later. He's still in a fit of rage, and this time he's got a knife and is banging on the store windows. The workers inside, at least, are sharp enough - not to sharpen up; get it, knife, sharp enough - you know, that's my thing. It's the little things, Randy. It's the little things you have to appreciate.

The workers locked themselves inside and called the police for assistance. We've got glass doors and windows, so you see the guy on the outside trying to get access to these people.

When officers arrive on scene, they are immediately confronted by the suspect, who has the knife, and he points it at the officers. The officers give multiple verbal commands to drop the knife, and they attempt to create distance between themselves and the bad guy. The subject quickly advances toward the officers with the knife extended. The subject failed to comply with verbal commands, and when he got within super-close proximity to the officers, with the knife extended, they discharged their firearms and shot him.

He gets shot in the body. They didn't say exactly where he was hit. He undergoes emergency surgery and is listed in critical but stable condition. They recovered the 13-inch-long knife that he was holding, and further disaster was averted.

Travis, do you want to take this one first? We've got six and a half minutes.

Speaker 3: Yes. We've seen this happen more and more. There was no other choice, even though all the naysayers were trying to make it seem like there was. A knife is a deadly weapon, very clearly. They waited and waited until they couldn't wait anymore.

Speaker 1: Travis, would you rather get shot or stabbed?

Speaker 3: Neither. Neither. If the officer does his job right, they're not going to get stabbed because that means you let someone get really close to you.

Speaker 1: Things can happen. There are ambushes and all kinds of things. If a bad guy really wants you badly enough, we know that he can probably do it. There are bad ways that he can make that happen. Randy Sutton?

Speaker 2: I'm surprised the mayor hasn't come out and condemned the police for actually trying to save their own lives, because we've seen him do this before with a knife-wielding suspect. He came out and was very critical of the police. That was a female situation where she attacked them, and it was a vicious attack. The officers defended themselves like they should have, and he lost his mind. The mayor lost his mind and was very critical of the police, so I'm kind of surprised he hasn't come out and said something stupid about this.

Speaker 1: Good commentary. Thank you, guys. I think we've got time for one last one. There's a new availability on the market for you guys who are looking for a good woman to hook up with. The Tampa Free Press at TampaFP.com: "Inside the Gruesome Homicide Investigation Shocking Texas Authorities."

An anonymous tip to Crime Stoppers - let it never be said, Randy, that Crime Stoppers does not do its job - led to the arrest of a 31-year-old woman, who is now available, guys, accused of killing her boyfriend.

Speaker 2: And she's hot.

Speaker 3: He's hot, too.

Speaker 1: And attempting to hide the pieces in a city dumpster and tubs of wet concrete. This is eerily similar to a homicide on which I was a lead investigator, where this dude was killing gay guys and body parts were going into dumpsters all over the city. A lot of them were church dumpsters. Crazy.

The investigation began on June 24. Authorities received a tip claiming that Audrey Troncoso had shot 34-year-old Roland Matthew Shepard inside their shared apartment. After she killed him, she cut his body up and threw part of his remains in a dumpster.

This is amazing how this goes down. Acting quickly on the information, police rushed to the dumpster, but the trash had already been picked up. Now they're frantically trying to get the garbage truck before it gets to the site to dump the trash. They track it down and stop the truck before it can dump its load. During a search of the vehicle, they find a trash bag filled with blood-covered clothes and carpet, and there is a human torso in it. It had the same tattoos as our guy, the victim, the boyfriend who was killed. They matched the description of Shepard.

Detectives get a search warrant for the home where Troncoso and Shepard lived. In the driveway, they search a vehicle and find additional human remains submerged inside tubs of wet concrete. Wow, this girl had it going on.

Troncoso ends up being arrested at the scene. In a subsequent interview, she admits to shooting the dude in the face. Then she's not done. She stabs him, and then she uses a saw and several knives to dismember him. She admitted that she mixed the concrete herself in an attempt to conceal the body parts inside plastic storage totes.

The next day, on June 25, they expanded the investigation to family members. Apparently, they believe that her father, Mario Valdez Troncoso Jr. - because, you know, let's keep it a family affair - was involved. He was arrested and charged with evidence tampering. They think he helped his daughter hide and dispose of her boyfriend's body and remains.

Both suspects - daughter and dad - are behind bars. She's being held on a $2 million bond, and her father is on a $100,000 bond. They are still investigating the killing.

I think they still have conjugal visits in Texas, so I'm just throwing that out there in case we have some desperate guy who really needs some help.

Speaker 2: Listen, she's not going to serve any time. She'll get anger-management classes.

Speaker 1: Wow. Texas, of all places. Is this how the Texas girls roll? I mean, gee. Isn't Texas kind of close to Tulsa, Travis?

Speaker 3: Close enough.

Speaker 2: That is the epitome of a crime of passion.

Speaker 1: Passion, passion, passion. Yes. Wow.

Speaker 3: I'm married to a Colombian, and I sleep with one eye open because I know what a Colombian necktie is. But this? I feel like I'm just glad I wasn't her boyfriend. It could be worse than being in that situation, so I actually feel better about myself.

How do you - you've got to have some pretty good strength to separate a torso from the rest of the body. That's pretty amazing stuff. I just don't understand. Where are the legs? I wonder where the legs are.

Speaker 2: She was throwing a no-hitter and gave up a bunch of runs in the ninth inning, because if you're going to put them in concrete, why wouldn't you then put the concrete in the dumpster? Put it at the bottom of the river.

Speaker 1: I'm more curious about who called Crime Stoppers. Who is it? Is it some neighbor in the second-story window looking at her mixing concrete and seeing a leg or foot in there? How did that go down?

They almost certainly know, or I suspect they know, who called Crime Stoppers. Somebody - maybe her dad's wife, or maybe her mother's or dad's girlfriend - I don't know. Something leaked out.

Speaker 2: Something leaked out.

Speaker 1: Yes. Wow. This is another example of love being a many-splendored thing.

Every guy listening to this story, not knowing what your girlfriend or your wife is capable of, you need to go right now, walk away from the TV or computer, give them a hug, and tell them how much you love them. Even if it's not true, tell them you love them and wish them a happy Fourth of July.

Speaker 3: Psychologists will tell you that the line between love and hate is literally right there. You could love somebody madly and have hatred in your heart for them. Strong emotions.

Speaker 1: All right. Another great show. Dr. Travis Yates, thank you so much. Lieutenant Randy Sutton, we're going to be talking about The Wounded Blue at TheWoundedBlue.org in one second.

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