[00:01] Speaker 1: (mysterious music plays) Greetings, everybody. Welcome to ECETI Stargate and BBS Radio. And sorry for the last show. We started an hour late and we had all kinds of hacks and problems. And we just did another interview with, uh, Dr. Sala, uh, Peter, Peter Sliader and myself, and, uh, oh god it took an hour to get started. It, it was just... There's so much interference. It's crazy. And, uh, even this show (laughs) we had about an, an hour plus, uh, uh, mess up. There's just weird distractions going on and... To, to interfere with getting these shows up but, uh, we're gonna talk a little about, about that. My, my guest tonight is the infamous Corey Goode and, uh, and he's, uh... He was the first one to bring out, you know, the Secret Space Fleet, the 20 and back programs, and, uh, there might have been somebody else before that but who knows.

[02:14] Speaker 1: But he was the first one to really give details on all this information, on how it operated, who's who and everything else, and seemed a lot of people dovetailed off of that information and, and it kinda went crazy in that... Right now. So we're gonna talk about that. Before I bring Corey on, I wanna do a little, um, a little monologue here and, uh... And the reason for this is, is it's really weird. Uh, the... There's a lot of slander, a lot of gossip, a lot of nonsense out there by some people that are, are, are really accusing everybody of what they themselves are doing or have done, you know. So it's, it's really time to address the posers and shills. You know, behind the controlled narrative, the morally and integrity challenge, you know. And not addressing this only enables and supports the morally and integrity challenge behind the censorship, the controlled narrative blocking real contact and real disclosure.

[03:12] Speaker 1: So what I find odd is the ones now calling for an end to the slander and gossip and unity are the very ones behind it. And now their virtue signaling saying, "Oh, we have to stop this. We all have to... (laughs) We have to unify." (laughs) It's like, yeah, because they're getting found out for who they are and what they've done basically. So I always say unity about... Around what? You know, failed disclosure, the controlled narrative, the fraud, the deception, you know. And we wonder why we don't have contact with benevolent spiritually and technologically advanced beings. You know, where's the conduit for it? You know, rather than going through another 70-plus years of censorship, a controlled narrative and failed disclosure, we might want to address who's behind it and how they operate, you know. Where will all these people be when true disclosure comes from the skies?

[04:04] Speaker 1: You know, the shills, the planned opposition, the nuts and bolters, the debunkers, you know, the so-called experts, you know, conference organizers involved in the controlled narrative, the morally and integrity challenged all will be out of a job. So if you think there are, uh, poser, shill, planned opposition, censorship, and a controlled narrative... If you think there i- this isn't happening, you know, why is ECETI with over 40 years of documented contact with multiple benevolent spiritually and technologically advanced off-worlders being invited then uninvited to major events and conferences? I- you know, it's not just jealousy and competition, it goes far beyond that. So we all take solace that there are three things that always rise, the sun, the moon, and the truth. So meanwhile we're just sitting here beyond the drama, making and documenting all, all these contacts on a regular basis. Ships are coming every clear night we've got.

[05:03] Speaker 1: We've got amazing footage, so we have to ask, you know... We're just wondering why someone would block a quantum leap in evolution, you know, ending war, disease, poverty, and ushering in the technology to clean up the planet, you know. And so maybe it's time to ask the tough questions of governments, religions and, you know, the extremely compromised UFO/UUP- UAP community. You know, we have to start putting their feet to the fire. So, so anyway, it's amazing, uh... It's just amazing to see the very people... I'm actually doing a conference here on the Big Island. The very same people that were behind all this nonsense are (laughs) are... And they, and they invited the very sa- same people that are extremely morally and integrity corrupt, so it's kind of like a, a gathering of... I guess Corey said pirates.

[05:59] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[05:59] Speaker 2: I didn't.

[06:00] Speaker 1: Which... I have another word for 'em but we'll just s- leave it at that. But anyway, um, on that note, I can't think of a better person to address some of these issues other than Corey Goode. So, Corey, welcome to the show.

[06:13] Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you, thank you. I appreciate you having me on, and, uh, it sounds like you're going to be a main character on, uh, Alien Mania when we start production of that.

[06:25] Speaker 1: (laughs) Yeah.

[06:26] Speaker 3: So the amount of-

[06:28] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[06:28] Speaker 3: ... absolute freaking craziness that goes on in this community, it- it's beyo- beyond what people would believe. We- we're just gonna have to document it, and, uh, with all of the UAP disclosure information, partial disclosure-

[06:45] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[06:45] Speaker 3: ... information coming out in the news, um, and elsewhere, uh, it's gonna draw a lot of people's attention towards this community. So-

[06:55] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[06:55] Speaker 3: ... I think right now, we really need to- to warn people as best we can. Um, you know, the- the people that are just awakening and- and getting into th- the disclosure movement. Um, it is quite, uh, a dangerous and scary realm to delve into, but there's- there are a lot of wonderful people that you meet a- along the way. But, you know, there's just a lot of really mentally ill people who need attention. It's like-

[07:30] Speaker 1: Okay.

[07:30] Speaker 3: ... they need the attention, and they need to be a part of something bigger than what they feel-

[07:36] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[07:36] Speaker 3: ... is their little crappy life, you know? So it's just really weird. You know, I know there are, you know, for Alien Mania, I- we're talking to a few mental health professionals. We want to have, you know... The- this is being studied, believe me.

[07:52] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[07:53] Speaker 3: You know, this, you know, massive stereotype-

[07:55] Speaker 1: I'm laughing at you. I'm laughing, I'm laughing with you-

[07:57] Speaker 3: Yeah, this is-

[07:57] Speaker 1: ... because it is mentally ill. It, I mean-

[08:00] Speaker 3: It is.

[08:00] Speaker 1: ... there's no logic or... These are self-serving, um, opportunists basically-

[08:09] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[08:09] Speaker 1: ... or they're mentally ill, one or the other. There's only two categories you can put these people in.

[08:14] Speaker 3: Yeah. So, you know, and it, it's, it's really crazy because the whole LARPing phenomenon, uh, you know, as it has morphed and really taken over, uh, the disclosure community, it has really minimal- minimized actual experiencers. It's turned it into a big freaking ass carnival, and actual genuine experiencers, they have to wade through all this crap and have to actually interact with all of these whack jobs that are like, "Oh, yeah, I think I was on that ship, too.

[08:46] Speaker 3: Do you remember me?"

[08:48] Speaker 1: Yeah. (laughs)

[08:48] Speaker 3: And there's others like, "Jesus, I'm- I'm just here trying to figure out what happened to me. What's going on?" You know? And-

[08:52] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[08:52] Speaker 3: ... it- it's this whole carnival that has been created, and there's a lot of money involved, a lot of money involved. You know, people, uh, you know, they want to... You know, we're very biased on, you know, confirmation bias, you know? And we're willing to pay a lot of money to confirm our beliefs and our biases.

[09:14] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[09:14] Speaker 3: And if there's people out there that will, you know, uh, you know, roll it, then, you know, they'll buy it. So, um, you know, that... It- it- it has, uh, definitely been a wake-up call and a strange awakening for me, you know, in the community. You know, I was having all of these crazy experiences, uh, and over time, you know, the experiences were changing, and, uh, I was, you know, trying to figure out what is this phenomenon exact- what is going on, you know? Because it took me a while, but I figured out it's not exactly as it presents itself, and I felt like this, whatever this entity, non-human intelligence is was being deceptive, because it was using all these weird metaphors and different beings in communications with me that was changing, and- and- and it- it- it- it just felt like it was being deceptive. But I'm kind of learning that it's such a different multi-dimensional type of being that it can't just have a conversation with us, you know?

[10:23] Speaker 3: It sends us the energy of a communication, and our brain receives it from whatever density or- or frequency it is.

[10:32] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[10:33] Speaker 3: And we have to convert that into 3D understanding. So, you know, you'll, you'll get a vision of an, uh, of a being or a place or a monument, and, uh, we take it literal when they're just trying to communicate the symbolism of that. Uh, you know, with... I- it's taken me quite a while to sort of learn the... It's almost like a dream language when communicating, you know, with- with this, whatever this is. And, and it can be very confusing, and a lot of people, they just get caught up, "I'm being contacted. This is real, holy shit. Ah," and they just get all excited and caught up and roll with it instead of kind of questioning it and breaking it apart. And, uh, by doing that, I- I've started to learn, you know, a lot more about this phenomenon. And, uh, you know, I- I think you know, um, it's been quite a while since I've been in contact.

[11:33] Speaker 3: The last contact I had, ironically, was on ECETI Ranch-

[11:38] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[11:39] Speaker 3: ... uh, the last day-

[11:40] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[11:40] Speaker 3: ... of shooting, uh, the documentary, uh-

[11:43] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[11:44] Speaker 3: ... uh, Beyond Disclosure: The Corey Goode Files. And, um, you'd mentioned that you- you'd had a communication that something wanted to communicate with me. And, uh, so I walked out to the area where the, where the flags are. I don't know what you'd call that little area out in the field.

[12:03] Speaker 1: Uh, the Pleiadian Circle.

[12:04] Speaker 3: Pleiadian Circle. Yeah.

[12:05] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[12:05] Speaker 3: I walk out there, and I felt something, like... I felt a presence, and I felt, like, something introduced itself to me, and I, you know, became emotional. I talked about it in the documentary a little bit. But then...We, I mean, we had had so many dark shadow beings and negative entities coming into our home and terrorizing us over the years that we just decided we, I told this, whatever this phenomenon is, I said, "Leave me the F alone. Leave my family alone." And from about July of 2024 when we were le- when we left your ranch, I did everything I could to break off any type of contact, discourage any type of information and me and my family delved heavily back into church and I was just focusing on rebuilding my business and, uh, getting a few things ready to launch and that's just all I wanted to s- to focus on.

[13:10] Speaker 3: And, uh, in December, we started shooting a new television series called Contacted, and I was, I agreed, I was like, okay, we'll do this TV show, but I want it to be a cautionary tale for people who dabble in this phenomenon to know that there's a risk, and there is.

[13:35] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[13:35] Speaker 3: Uh, not only with the people but with some of these, some of the non-human intelligence that's out there, you know? And it's very difficult if impos- if not impossible to tell the good and bad apart sometimes, you know, especially for people that are just getting into spirituality. Um, oh man, what, what was I saying? I-

[13:58] Speaker 1: Oh, you were talking about... Well you, you actually were telling me something that a long time ago you were talking about, that there is some kind of an entity, you can't figure out what it is, some AI type thing or, or dimensional negative force that's just really running the show and everything else, and since you said that, the Ethiopian Bible has come out and-

[14:23] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[14:23] Speaker 1: ... that's the same thing that Jesus said. You know, he's called it the Demiurge. And he said the Demiurge and then there's the Archons which serve the Demiurge. And the Archons are the ones that kind of terrorize you, they create all kinds of scenarios in your head, they do everything to block you from making your own personal connection with creator, God, great spirit, whatever you want to call it. And, and s- I've been really studying a lot of this stuff and, and I'm so thankful the Ethiopian Bible came out because it's the stuff we've been teaching for like 40 years at Iseti and been, and being called blasphemy and, and (laughs) you know, crazy and everything else. But, uh, there is definitely, I mean I still, I still do it. I mean last night they came after me again, last night, but I have tools and techniques to get rid of them. My wife act- actually had archangels step in and just kick butt on these things. And, uh, Uriel came in the other day and I, I was blown away.

[15:26] Speaker 1: But I was talking to, uh, Yeshua, and it sounds crazy, I should, I should kind of format this but like I've had two near-death experiences, I've studied 40 years with lamas and yogis and elders and, and around the world, you know, all of this and, uh, you know, even in the Tibetan Foundation, all of these programs, they teach you that their best channels are doing 70%. So 30% is misinformation-

[15:56] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[15:56] Speaker 1: ... interference and your, what you perceive, you know, the message is basically.

[16:02] Speaker 3: 100%. One, yeah, that is-

[16:04] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[16:04] Speaker 3: That, I wish you could, you would put that on a T-shirt.

[16:08] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[16:09] Speaker 3: Because people really need, that really needs to drill down, that uh, you have all of these other beings that can affect the transmission, you have your own desires, your own fears, your own core belief system that affects the transmission so, um, you have to learn to look at the core information and not get caught up in all the details.

[16:35] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[16:35] Speaker 3: Because the details is, that's where, that, a lot of those little, the detail stuff, that comes from the person usually, you know?

[16:41] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[16:42] Speaker 3: The, the, this non-human intel- intelligence is trying to get a concept to us and, you know, there are all types of symbols and symbolism and, uh, it uses that as a pretty advanced communication, uh, technique.

[16:59] Speaker 1: Yeah, very few, um, they teach safeguards for pure channeling and so many people out there, I don't know hardly any that have had any training whatsoever and-

[17:09] Speaker 3: I, I, I, yeah. I wouldn't even know where to get it.

[17:12] Speaker 1: (laughs) Yeah.

[17:13] Speaker 3: You know? Where, where would we find that?

[17:15] Speaker 1: Well we, we teach it mainly because I didn't have it when I was growing up and I had all these experiences and I had nobody to tell me what was happening or how to shield, how to clear unseen negative influences and so I studied around the world all these techniques and everything, how to sense, you know, use your own inner sensitivity to sense what's coming in, who they are, what their intentions are, and we all have that ability, we just need a little training and, uh, you know, going through that training was a godsend because, uh, we have a saying, "Just because you're dead doesn't mean you're enlightened and just because you're an ET doesn't mean you're benevolent." And, and there are a lot of people into ufology that are saying it's all benevolent, it's all good, open wide, (clears throat) don't be a spiritual snob, let them into your body which is the most insane thing I've ever heard. I mean, it's actually, uh, dangerous.

[18:12] Speaker 3: Yes, very much. Yeah, your personal sovereignty is very important and that's one of the things I actually worried about in this process, uh, with all this communication was my sovereignty and the influence it was having over me and the influence I had over other people, you know, who listen to me. Um, you know, I was going through quite a-... mental crisis, you know, of trying to figure out what this phenomenon was, and at the same time we returned to church. And then, uh, in December, what I was gonna say, I went to, uh, Calgary to shoot the- the n- part of the new television show we're doing called Contacted. And as a part of that, they did a regression therapy, which I had always refused to do any type of regression therap- all of those things before, I just refused. But he had hired a lady, a professional up there in, in the area, and she came out and we did a three-hour regression.

[19:10] Speaker 1: Wow.

[19:12] Speaker 3: And we talked about stuff that I did not, I, I had never talked about before. I don't know where it came from, but, you know, about pre-life stuff and it was, uh, it was pretty amazing. It's- parts of it are gonna be in the, um, television show. But after that, I started having weird experiences again, like, that activated or, or something happened.

[19:38] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[19:38] Speaker 3: And then I started, like, h- you know, every once in a while, hearing, uh, phrases-

[19:44] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[19:44] Speaker 3: ... that didn't make sense to me, and I was like, "Okay, what's going on?" You know, "This, this isn't supposed to be happening again." And then, you know, it developed into full ass-on contact again. And this, we probably should talk more about this offline, but this has been more intense than what I've dealt with in the past.

[20:07] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[20:07] Speaker 3: Now, you know, like I said before, my interaction, interactions with whatever this intelligence is, you know, I've, they- I've had them appear as Blue Avians, I've had them appear as all these different things, you know? And they use all of this esoteric kind of language, you know, Love One stuff, things that our, this, uh, community is very familiar with, the terminologies. It was new to me at the time. But now, since I've, me and my family have gone back to church and, uh, we're trying to stay away from all of this, now it's communicating with me very strongly, but it's using, like, Biblical, medi- medieval terminology and iconography and that sort of thing.

[20:54] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[20:54] Speaker 3: So, yeah, I'm trying to make sense of it and it's, it, I received several transmissions that I wrote down and visions, five different visions of different scenarios, and they were very intense, and I've been document- minting all of that, trying to make sense of it. And during the same time period, um, a very wealthy, very powerful man that I had been in contact with about eight years ago, um, you know, started, we started conversing again, 'cause he's, he's going to be married and I was invited to his wedding, and, uh, you know, he and hi- a lot of his people are part of some of these, you know, secret societies, like, the, the big ones, like, 33rd Degree and above and stuff.

[21:46] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[21:47] Speaker 3: And that kinda stuff I've always been leery of, big time. But they told me, they said, "For, since 2015, we've been watching you closely." They said, uh, "The information that you dropped, especially early on, was a mirror of what was in a lot of our secret information and we don't, didn't know how it got out there, and we were very surprised. Um, and we watched over the years, expecting you to be completely destroyed."

[22:18] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[22:18] Speaker 3: "But no matter what happened, you kept popping back."

[22:22] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[22:22] Speaker 3: "We couldn't believe it." They said, "The deposition came out, we thought that's it. This happened, this happened," and they said, "You are relentless," and they said, "There's respect for that," and their, this group is coming in, um, and they're going to help, uh, hopefully if everything goes, uh, they're gonna help finance the, the video game company and all of the big things that I'm trying to do. Um, but they show up around the same time, so it's like this convergence of all of these different things driving me back into communication and, you know, like, it was like four years ago, maybe longer, I think you were approached by the same people and some of the groups that studied Chris Bledsoe, they wanted me and my family to do MRIs, they wanted to study us, they wanted us to sign NDAs and all that crap, and the Rosicrucians were connected with them, and so, you know, we turned that down.

[23:22] Speaker 3: Uh, but now we have a, a situation to where, uh, some other very, very powerful people, um, you know, are encouraging us to continue the communication, you know? So we're, me and my family right now are trying to figure out what the hell's going on, you know? We're just, we're just trying to figure it all out because it's easy for everyone sitting behind their computers to sit there and go, "Oh, Corey's not so sure about the Blue Avians now? He doesn't know about this contact or that?" Kiss my ass. You're not in my house with my family, having shadow beings, all sorts of evil beings coming in. You have positive beings coming in to guide you in one direction, and if you don't do- walk the line, the negative beings come in and wrangle you. There's, there's some crazy, strange stuff going on that non-experiencers cannot understand. Cannot understand.

[24:21] Speaker 1: Yeah, I, (clears throat) I agree. You know, it's, uh, you know, even and the yogis say the closer you get to nirvana, the more the demons rear their ugly heads. So, uh, it comes with, you know, on your path to enlightenment, it comes with contact. You're gonna, both sides are gonna connect and they're gonna want you to go... One side is very self-serving, opportunistic, and, uh, and you can see who's working with them by their behavior, and, and, uh, they have no-... their, their moral and integrity levels are, are in the toilet, basically.

[24:55] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[24:56] Speaker 1: And, uh, and it's sad. The whole ufology is riddled with that, you know. These ... I couldn't believe ... You know, I was naïve when I came into this field. I was-

[25:05] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

[25:06] Speaker 1: ... doing my own thing, you know. I was on a ... I had two, two near-death experiences after the second one. All I cared about was studying all the masters and all the elders of every nation, trying to say, "How can we bring everybody together and live under, uh, universal law, you know, which is universal peace, brotherhood, sister- love, individual freedom and prosperity for everyone?" It's, it's like this is the quantum leap that other civilizations have done so they could go further, you know, the spiritually and technologically advanced ones. And that was my whole goal. Like, "Let's just bring everybody together and sit down and talk." And, uh, and it worked for a while, and then, and then all of a sudden, I ... When I started with the International UFO Congress, you know, they invited me to come speak, and I said, "Well, I don't really care that much about UFOs." I mean, they're there. They're real. I've seen them.

[26:02] Speaker 1: I converse with them, and, and some have good intentions, some don't, you know. And, and I said, "I'm really, I'm really about the awakening and healing of humanity and the Earth. That's my function, and educating people and bringing in technologies that are Earth-friendly and healing technologies and things like that." So they go, "Well, you're what this community needs and everything." So I did. So I went there, and I gave a talk, I gave a speech, and I showed all the footage of the beings and the videos of the ships and everything, and, and most of the people in the audience, especially the women in the front row, were crying. There was so much energy that came there. It was so, so loving and so blissful. I, I almost had to stop talking for a minute and regather, and my composure. And, and it was amaz- it was an amazing event. They had the biggest rush to get the DVD of the, of the, the talk, you know, that they've ever seen before, and they go, "You're coming back," you know.

[27:01] Speaker 1: And, uh, and the same thing happened the last time I was there, and I actually phased out on stage. You can actually see my body phase out into a light principle with the mic there and other tall beings behind me. And, and so same thing happen, big rush to get to talk, standing ovation, and then I get, I get invited, you know, "You're coming back. You're definitely coming back." And then I get uninvited by the, by the International Congress. The same thing with Contact in the Desert and other ones. They got infiltrated and a certain group, you know of, we won't mention their name (laughs) I don't wanna get sued. I've already been subpoenaed by them and everything else, but, um, they came, came in and, uh, and pretty soon all the, the total shills and posers and the moral and integrity challenged rose to the top and became all the keynote speakers, and the people who were authentic got pushed out and, and that's where we're at right now.

[28:02] Speaker 3: Sure.

[28:02] Speaker 1: Unfortunately, that's what's at the top, and that's where all the money's going, where all the funding's going. It's going to these groups. Yeah.

[28:10] Speaker 3: Yeah. It's all the sensational people.

[28:11] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[28:12] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[28:14] Speaker 1: It's very sad but ... And I knew a lot of people that were authentic back in the day, and they're out. They're, they're out of the system. And now it's, um, it's ... I find it really hard to have anybody on the show that is authentic, and that's for real.

[28:32] Speaker 3: Yeah. That's one of the, the new, uh, person ... I don't wanna use his name, but I can't wait to introduce him to everyone, uh, the person that's gonna be working with us and-

[28:42] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[28:42] Speaker 3: ... helping with funding, but, you know, he's got a very interesting background, and he talked about, you know, we can do a podcast together, which would be interesting, me and, like, a billionaire doing a podcast. (laughs)

[28:54] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[28:54] Speaker 3: But he, uh, he was like, you know, we were, like, thinking, like, the types of people that we could get on, and he knows some really interesting people, and I'm like, man, you know? The list of people with integrity that you would actually want to put on, you know, a high-production podcast. Man, that's, that's such a small list of people. It's like, why, why even do it, you know? (laughs)

[29:18] Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. It, it's, it is sad, it, it's ... And, you know, people ... I know, I know I'm gonna get shit for saying that, everything I've said, but I really don't care. I don't care, you know. I mean, the stuff they're making up and the slander and the gossip and everything else is really coming from the people that actually totally screwed us over. Some ... I mean, we were, we were building a place here in Hawaii, and we got a million and a half dollars twice for this couple, these two girls, and, and, uh, soon as they got the funding, you know, they were being evicted twice out of their other place but, places, but soon as they got the funding, we got the big F you. And so, no, we've heard rumors, so we're, we're gonna steal the land (laughs) and the ranch and, and we're not gonna do ƒ Hawaii. It's like, well, where'd those rumors come from? From another group which a, which is a podcast that started rumors from North Carolina where nothing ever happened.

[30:18] Speaker 1: Even the people that were involved said, "This is bullshit. This never happened," and one woman goes, "I'm married. You know, if this got back to my husband, you know what that would do?" She said, "Nothing ... You know, I was struggling with some issues, and we went in and cleared them, and I walked out blissed out, feeling great. That was it." And, and, and when I took their staff, who were having meltdowns, and cleared them and got them back on track, which is all that did happen, I get accused of Jeffrey Epstein, you know. (laughs) And, uh, and I'm going, you know, man, it's just like, how did that turn into that?'Cause, 'cause there are a lot of people that are very wounded, very angry, lot of victims, and, and they're just looking for a place to put their stuff, uh, on, you know?

[31:07] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[31:07] Speaker 1: And, and you know, to be, I go, I go, "I, I know who I am." I've never... I never s- even said an unkind word. I've never verbally abused anybody, I've never physically abused anybody. I've always been totally honest, brutally honest. I've always been loyal. I said, "I don't know where this crap is coming from." And, and then I always say, "Give me a witness. Give me one person that, that I've been abusive to." And they can't, you know? And, and they did come up with one. I was talking about it earlier, some woman that was raised in a test tube that said I had kids with her. (laughs) And I think you got one of those too.

[31:47] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[31:47] Speaker 3: Yeah, I've got a couple.

[31:48] Speaker 1: Yeah, there's some real, real weird s- stuff going on, like imbalanced stuff. I'm not saying she wasn't raised in a test tube, but, you know, if, if we had kids together, I, I must have missed it, you know? (laughs) I d- I didn't have the pleasure of the experience, you know, which sometimes I wish I had some of these experiences, 'cause I'm pretty... you know, my life is-

[32:11] Speaker 3: It's like, uh-

[32:12] Speaker 1: ... very, very simple.

[32:13] Speaker 3: Yeah. Mine too. Uh, one of the things, like, when you talk to new investors, they're like, "All right, I want you to make a list of all of your deepest, darkest secrets, anything that could pop out," and I was like, "Man, I'm actually kinda boring," you know? (laughs)

[32:27] Speaker 1: Yeah. (laughs)

[32:29] Speaker 3: Com- you know, compared to what, you know, they're used to hearing. Um, so, yeah. This, uh, you know, there's like a core of the community of really beautiful people that are here looking for the truth and everything, and they too are getting caught up in all of the, uh, mimicry of other people's testimonies and fake spirituality, um, and most of them don't even realize that m- this spirituality and these different ETs that they're talking about, that narrative comes directly out of the Joy of Satan Ministries.

[33:07] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[33:07] Speaker 3: Look that up. It is a whole, uh, plan to infiltrate ufology, talk about these certain types of positive space beings, if you look in there, certain people are talking about them, and these certain types of space beings are supposed to be some sort of tool for them to impart their Satanic, uh, beliefs and religion into the, uh, ufology, uh, circuit. And they've done it very successfully.

[33:37] Speaker 1: (clears throat)

[33:37] Speaker 3: I hear people that would never, like, ever associate themselves energetically with something like Satanic, that we call Satanic, but they're out there saying, "Oh, and then I had this experience and did this." They're making it up, but they're picking it out of other narratives that they have no idea what the foundation is that they're using, and they're bringing that into their fake testimony, and it's, it's per- perpetuating quite a interesting, uh, phenomenon, um, with, with all of the-

[34:10] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[34:10] Speaker 3: ... s- people coming in and, "Oh, I was in the secret space program," or, "Well, I was this," because they heard a story-

[34:16] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[34:16] Speaker 3: ... and they, and it resonated. You know? So, there are literally psychological professionals studying this, and I can't wait to get them on camera.

[34:27] Speaker 1: And they say there's three kinds of people that fall victim to flattery, you know, every time, and it's men, women, and children, you know? So, so these people, "Oh, you were there, you were, you were a high priestess, you were this, you were that, and you were on the Council of Nine," you know? And they go, all this stuff, and I go, "Well, that was straight out of the Satanic church, you know? The Nine Overlords." You know, they, all of these weird things they come up with, and, and if you, it's tied into the CIA-

[34:53] Speaker 3: They don't even realize it.

[34:54] Speaker 1: ... and MKUltra and stu- it's all connected, and you go, "You guys, you're newbies here." You know? I've been doing this intensely for about, I hate to date myself, for about 45 years. He said he started 40 years ago, and, uh, you know, but I've been intensely l- doing this since the '70s basically, but the, uh, uh, I know who's who, uh, and I know the pitfalls. I've experienced them, and I know who's benevolent and who the, who the ones... And it's both polarities are going on right now, and, and it's a war for the soul. It's a war to, uh, to distract people from making their own personal God connection, basically. That's the last thing they want, and if you study the Ethiopian Bible with the Demiurge and the Archons, it ties into the Satanic church, Epstein, everything. It's all, you know, the, the, the gods of the Old Testament, you know? The sacrificial gods of the Old Testament, Baal, Baphomet. It's all tied together.

[36:00] Speaker 1: When you, when you understand, you know, when you see the big picture, you understand the network.

[36:06] Speaker 3: Well, ironically, James, that, what you just talked about is a large part of the downloads I've been getting-

[36:12] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[36:13] Speaker 3: ... about these, uh, different, uh, powers and principalities that run the nations of the world, that they were once Elohim that were sent here during a, a time of separation of God, and they were supposed to be here manicuring this planet. Instead, they became corrupted by this Demiurge thing-

[36:32] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[36:33] Speaker 3: ... energy, and instead of manicuring humanity, they began encouraging humanity to worship them, and they began stealing ouch and spiritual energy from the creator, and everything just kind of went to hell from there, literally. So, that's a big part of some of the downloads that I'm getting, but I'm getting very specific information, and it's really fricking mind-blowing. I'm having, uh, some people, researchers helping me go through looking-

[37:01] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[37:01] Speaker 3: ... at some, some of this information. It has to do with physics, reality, um, how the mind of God interacts with the four, uh, forces known to, um-... science, you know, electromagnetism, uh, the strong force, weak force, uh, gravity, you know, that they talk about, about the cosmos. There's a fifth force-

[37:23] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[37:23] Speaker 3: ... and it's the mind of God, basically.

[37:25] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[37:26] Speaker 3: The intention of, of, of the Creator, that tells everything how to behave. Um, and it's like an algorithm, like a computer program. It's like, this is almost like a mixture of a daydream and a simulation that we're in. And, uh, the, the rules, the, the, the base programming is basically the mind of the Creator. And there's a way to tap into that and have an effect on reality, you know, turn water into wine, lead into gold-

[37:53] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[37:54] Speaker 3: ... raise the dead, all of these crazy things. Uh, there's a way of tapping into that force, and, uh, the Demiurge and other negative groups do not want us to have that ability, 'cause they would rather feed.

[38:08] Speaker 1: Exactly. Yeah, it's exactly what's going on. And, you know, you can tie it in right now, because you've got, uh, you've got the, um ... I don't wanna condemn. It's really hard to do this, and (clears throat) I'm gonna k- kind of tiptoe through this, but, you know, you have over there the, the, the Jewish traditions, which is, there's three or four sects in there. But one sect is aligned with the Talmud, and they're saying, you know, Jesus was a false prophet and he's, he's being, he was killed and he's boiling in his own excrement and everything else. And that group, that group are the Zionists, whatever. I'll probably get in trouble for saying this, but... And then you have other, several other that are peaceful, that just wanna get along and work together, you know? And the same thing with the extremists on the Muslim side, you know, they, they have the same thing. Non-believers, you know, you're supposed to do a jihad on 'em.

[39:04] Speaker 1: And, and so, so within these sects, if you really look at it from, (clears throat) you know, the 10,000-foot level, you'll go, "Well, wait a second. All of these religions have the two in 'em." They have the, the service to others, love and joy and bliss, and section, and then they have control of everyone, uh, uh, you know, death, destruction, and, and whatever. They, they, they have modalities, and you can see them operating on the world. And then you go higher, and then you go, "Wow, there is a shadow God. There is a Demiurge, and it has these archons, which are, which are demonic-type entities," their fallen Anunnaki are in there, uh, like you were saying, the original guys. Uh, there's royal reptilians, reptilians, uh, negative grays, negative reptilians, and a lot of discarnate folks that didn't go anywhere. (clears throat) You know, and they're all part of this team, you know? Call it, just call it Team Dark, you know?

[40:09] Speaker 1: And then you have Team Light, which is the all-loving, all-forgiving God, the god of love and peace that Jesus aligned himself with. And, uh, and you've got the archangels and the, uh, and the spiritually and technologically advanced off-worlders, and the prophets and sages and saints, and they're on Team Light. And, and so there is a war going on between Team, Team Dark and Team Light. And the problem with this going on right now is that the Earth has undergone an ascension process, and Team Light has flipped the switch, and Team Dark is gonna do everything it can to stay in control, to stay in power. And it's gonna work through whoever it can to create more disunity, more disruption, more, more chaos, you know, on its way out. But it's not frequency-specific to the evolution of Earth and humanity. So, it's, it's on a downward spiral, it will collapse. Just like the Hopi prophecy talks about, it will ...

[41:12] Speaker 1: It's going to collapse in on itself because it's not sustainable, and those who s- who choose a spiritual life in harmony with each other and nature are going to take the upward spiral. And so we are going through a, a bifurcation process of timelines or worlds, and, uh, and we, we're gonna have to choose which ones, you know... Are we self-serving opportunists, are we in service to others, and, uh, and going to, you know, really serve the truth and the light and the higher ... you know, the all-loving, all-forgiving God? Which one are we gonna do? And I think that's the choice we're all coming to right now. And unfortunately, a lot of people in the UFO community have, are, uh, not making the right choice (laughs) , you know? It's like, uh ...

[42:00] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[42:01] Speaker 1: You know?

[42:01] Speaker 3: Yeah, unfortunately. You know? And it's, it's really, it's really difficult because it is a confusing time right now. There is so much disinformation and, uh, just deception coming from this dark side of this, whatever this experience is, whatever this-

[42:24] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[42:24] Speaker 3: ... entity is, this, this dark thing. Um, it's really deceiving people. And like you said, it's trying to sow as much chaos as it possibly can during this time period. And there are too many people with unresolved issues that are just, they're nowhere near being in a place where they have any type of self-control.

[42:45] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[42:45] Speaker 3: And they just get caught up in it. And I have to try to r- tell myself that, you know, 'cause, you know, it's pretty rough to, to watch the state of humanity, um, you know, we read the o- old books, if, you know, you're into the Bible, and you read it, and you hear about how h- humanity acted 6,000 years ago, and we see the exact same behavior, just sickening, you know? It's like, what- whatever is watching over us-H- how long could it continue to see us-

[43:20] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[43:20] Speaker 3: ... in th- in this state? You know? I, I just don't understand if, if-

[43:24] Speaker 1: There's a limit. There's a limit to allowing, is, is what I-

[43:27] Speaker 3: I would hope.

[43:27] Speaker 1: You know? It's, uh, same with nature. Nature is very slow to act, but thorough, you know? (laughs)

[43:34] Speaker 3: Yes.

[43:34] Speaker 1: And it's gonna be the same with the higher dimensions. It's gonna be s- slow to act, but, you know, we're coming into those times and, uh, it's gonna be very thorough when it comes through. And I, you know, I'm seeing s- a lot of these cities, uh, that have fallen, you know, the crime rates through the scale, the, the integrity rates through the scale are, are down at the bottom of the scale. Um-

[43:57] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[43:58] Speaker 1: ... it's, it's just they've, they've, uh, you know, they, they're creating the Sodom and Gomorrah event. They're on their way to that. And there's a science behind that because when people fall, when a civilization or a society c- starts collapsing, the energy fields collapse. And, and when the energ- energy fields collapse, nature has to come in and restore it, and for her own preservation. So she's gonna bring in a massive quake or a huge, uh, tsunami or a, or a, a hurricane or something to come and clean that up, you know, and, and, and get things-

[44:36] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[44:36] Speaker 1: ... going on a positive note. And I guarantee you, you know, in the middle of a great quake or a hurricane, there are no atheists, you know? (laughs) There-

[44:44] Speaker 3: Right.

[44:45] Speaker 1: ... you know, you, you start praying (laughs) -

[44:46] Speaker 3: Right.

[44:46] Speaker 1: ... to, "God, get me out of this," you know? Like, uh-

[44:49] Speaker 3: Uh-huh.

[44:49] Speaker 1: ... you know, "I'll be good from now on," you know? It's just like, uh... And, and, you know, I, you know, people are going, "God, you're going biblical." And, you know, I'm not really going biblical. I'm doing, I'm doing research.

[45:04] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[45:04] Speaker 1: I'm doing research of the past history, what, how things-

[45:08] Speaker 3: The-

[45:08] Speaker 1: ... came about, why things happened, and-

[45:12] Speaker 3: This-

[45:12] Speaker 1: ... are we following the same pattern now?

[45:14] Speaker 3: And, and we are. (laughs)

[45:15] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[45:16] Speaker 3: But, but, you know, I have found maybe it's because we shifted and we're going back to church, but, uh, this thing is communicating with us in kind of a biblical kinda context. Some people on my team too have been getting information in the same kind of context.

[45:33] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[45:34] Speaker 3: You know, I, I really don't know what this is, the m- that I've been dealing with. You know, I, I understand what it's done. I understand its intent in different areas. But when it comes down to it, it's, it's some sort of very advanced energy, intelligent energy, that is communicating with us, which are a very non-advanced energy-wise, you know, beings. And, you know, how it communicates with us is, is just very, very complicated.

[46:17] Speaker 3: And-

[46:18] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[46:18] Speaker 3: ... to see it, you know, kinda switch to this kind of biblical context, you know, it, it has weirded me out some, but at the same time, it's kinda making sense with what I'm seeing in the world. Um, so I don't know what this is. It's presented itself to humanity over many millennia as different things. And, you know, there's, like I said, there's a group that's studying people like Chris Bledsoe, they wanted to study me.

[46:48] Speaker 3: You know, the-

[46:48] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[46:48] Speaker 3: ... they're studying people from around the world.

[46:50] Speaker 1: clears throat ]

[46:50] Speaker 3: And it's a Native American, uh, family that I know of in New Mexico that's allegedly being studied in this. And to them, everything they're experiencing in this mountain, uh, it's very similar to, to the stuff going on at Mount Adams. The stuff that they're experiencing at this mountain, they and the other people in the area interpret it through the lens of their culture. They believe-

[47:16] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[47:16] Speaker 3: ... that it is some sort of god-type thing from the Native American culture, you know? And the people that are coming and studying this have been talking to them, and they're, they've been, like, trying to talk them into, "Oh, this isn't a Native American god that you're in contact with. It's really this ancient Egyptian god, the, under this name." And they're trying to-

[47:38] Speaker 1: (clears throat)

[47:38] Speaker 3: ... get all of these different people to believe that they're in, trying to get them all on the same page with what belief-wise of what they're in contact with, 'cause right now-

[47:49] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[47:50] Speaker 3: ... it's all over the page. And I think the con- these people that are studying, they want everyone to be on the same page energetically, mentally, with what they're communicating with so that they can manifest something better or, or to cause something to happen, because they wanted to convince me that I was in touch with, like, you know, the sun god of, uh, ancient Egypt, you know? And-

[48:14] Speaker 1: Yeah, Ra.

[48:15] Speaker 3: ... they're, yeah, they're telling all these, you know, uh, every, all these different people. There's people, like, in Vietnam, you know, that are having these experiences. They're like, "Oh, no, no, no. This isn't the, the ancients or whatever you think it is and, and, uh, are praying about. It's really this from ancient Greece." You know? (laughs) It's really weird how they're trying to manipulate people's minds as if they are tuning rods or some sort of tool that they're using.

[48:39] Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.

[48:40] Speaker 3: You know?

[48:41] Speaker 1: They should be. I tell you what, to me, this is my experience, is that you have to discern from the heart and the motive. And so if it doesn't feel good, most likely it's not. If the motives aren't aligned with universal law, then you probably wanna switch channels and, and work with something else. And (clears throat) there's always not one thing. Uh, they're, they're, like, uh, a master will come in, you know, even like Jesus said that, you know, "Yeah, I'll clear you of these demons, but if you don't realign yourself with God, Creator, great spirit, whatever you wanna call it, seven more will come in." And, and so there's always two.Things happening, more than two in some cases. And so, one is trying to test you to, to get you to do some things that might be morally integrity corrupt or whatever. And, and they're gonna tell you you're the chosen one, that you're special, and you're, you're, you know, this and that.

[49:44] Speaker 1: And the other group is saying, "No, we're all, we're all special," or, "No one's special." You know, become, get rid of your ego, get rid of your personality, and then you're gonna understand the big picture. And, and so, there's always more than one thing going on. And, and it's like people ask me about ufology. They go, "Is it, is it demonic? Is it, is it angelic?"

[50:08] Speaker 3: Yes. (laughs)

[50:09] Speaker 1: "Is, is it nuts and bolts?" You know?

[50:11] Speaker 3: Yes. It's all those things.

[50:12] Speaker 1: "It's, is it time travel?"

[50:14] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[50:14] Speaker 1: "Is it, are they dimensional?" I go, "It's all of the above." Like-

[50:17] Speaker 3: Yes. It's not just one thing.

[50:18] Speaker 1: ..."Check. It's D. Check D."

[50:20] Speaker 3: Every, everyone wants it to be one thing-

[50:22] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[50:22] Speaker 3: ... that they can pick up, look at, and go, "Okay," and set it down. But it's not that easy, people. It's go- it, it has... The, whatever this phenomenon is, it uses mystery to draw you in and to open you up. And right when you think you're done with the mystery, there's more there. There's always-

[50:41] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[50:41] Speaker 3: ... there's always more there. So, um, yeah. It's, it's kind of a mystery trap, kind of like a pattern.

[50:48] Speaker 1: Yeah. The more you, the more you think you know, the more you don't know. I mean, it just-

[50:52] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[50:53] Speaker 1: ... the more you delve into this, you realize, "Man, I am an idiot (laughs) you know, compared to what's happening out here. Like, I have no clue." Like, a lot of people are asking about the war in Iran and all these other things going on, and I go, "You know what? Um, I can tell you what happened in the past there, a long, long time ago," but right now, I go, "I, I'm not there. I ha- This lifetime, I haven't been there, and I don't, I don't know who's who." I do know that, uh-

[51:20] Speaker 3: Just ask the Iranian people.

[51:22] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[51:23] Speaker 3: You know?

[51:23] Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. I'd have to go out and ask-

[51:24] Speaker 3: Hear everybody else's opinion, you know?

[51:25] Speaker 1: ... and ask the Iranian people, "Okay, what's really going on?" And, and, and it does seem to be there's a common denominator there, and the common denominator is the old sacrificial gods of the past versus the all-loving, all-forgiving God where everybody's welcome.

[51:44] Speaker 3: Holy shit. It's really crazy to hear you saying this, 'cause this has been part of the downloads and some of the stuff that I've been writing down and that I'm gonna be talking about at the Disclosure Summit next month in, in my speech.

[51:58] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[51:58] Speaker 3: And like, I've been hearing different people on my team saying things, and now I'm hearing you talking about the exact same topic. This is just really, it's really bizarre.

[52:08] Speaker 1: Yeah. It's a- it's, it's being downloaded right now on high to as m- whoever's open to get the information-

[52:14] Speaker 3: I guess so.

[52:14] Speaker 1: ... are getting it and are finally figuring out who the players are, you know, and what their motives and agendas are. And, and it's just, there's just power struggles basically going on, and using God as the ping-pong ball, you know? (laughs)

[52:28] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[52:29] Speaker 1: Between the two, and, and, uh, it, it's really weird. The only way you're gonna figure this out is to, as I said before, drop in the heart, make your own personal connection with Creator, and, and use that for discernment. And ask yourself, "Okay, how does this feel? Does this feel right? Does this feel off? And what is the motive and agenda and what's the outcome?" You know, is the outcome healing? Is it awakening and healing for all? Is it, is it unity consciousness? Is it universal law, you know? And that's the only way you can get through this stuff, because none of it makes sense on- if you don't, if you don't understand the big picture and none of this makes sense, what's going on?

[53:12] Speaker 3: Absolutely. I agree.

[53:16] Speaker 1: You know?

[53:16] Speaker 3: Are you gonna talk about some of this, uh, in April? It's pretty interesting. Uh, we'll be on the-

[53:22] Speaker 1: Yeah, I-

[53:22] Speaker 3: ... we'll be on a similar theme then.

[53:24] Speaker 4: (clears throat)

[53:24] Speaker 3: That'll be, that'll be pretty exciting.

[53:25] Speaker 1: I have all the research and the photos and everything to explain what, what happened throughout history, and, and, uh, what, what's really going on underneath. And really, the bottom line is, is that, you know, like, I always tell people, "You're not gonna understand this unless you, unless you watched a bunch of Star Wars." (laughs) Because-

[53:45] Speaker 3: Right?

[53:46] Speaker 1: ... because there is a good force and there's a dark force, a light force and a dark force. And we get to choose. We're in the middle, and we get to choose which force, you know, we want to align ourselves with. And one is focused on, you know, freedom for all, you know, like the universal law, and the other one is, is focused on controlling everybody, you know, controlling the masses, ultimate control. And, uh, and so, you know, that's, you know, it, it, it really gets simplified when you go, "Okay, which side of the force is this person working on?" You know? And, and don't, don't listen to their words. Watch their actions, and trust your heart. If your heart's te- "Hey, this doesn't feel right," it probably isn't. You know?

[54:32] Speaker 1: So-

[54:32] Speaker 3: Yeah. Because people-

[54:33] Speaker 1: ... there's a lot of really smooth operators out there that are saying all the right things.

[54:37] Speaker 3: Oh, yeah. And they can get the most pious and holy looks on their faces. They, they can get all the sparkles in the eyes. They can do, they can cross-check every box that-

[54:49] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[54:49] Speaker 3: ... any person is looking for. "Oh, is this person spiritual? Well, let's see. Uh, does this, does... Do I feel their heart? Yes. Do I feel th-" And these people have learned to mimic all of these things-

[54:59] Speaker 1: (clears throat) Yeah.

[55:00] Speaker 3: ... uh, you know, over time. So there are a lot of people that are just really good at, at pretending, and then there are other people, they just wanna be accepting. They want to be accepted themselves. They, they need people of their own vibration and way of thinking to accept them, 'cause no one else around them in their everyday life does, and they can't be themselves. So, it's just this whole thing, and they, and they fall prey to these crazy ideologies that are surging...... through ufology and all of these little prophets and prophetesses that y- we see doing videos. And they're talking about certain blonde-haired beings, you know, from the federation and all that. And they have no idea themselves where all this comes from. And if, and if you do go to the Joy of Satan Ministries' website, old group, for decades they've been infiltrating ufology and planting these exact stories.

[56:00] Speaker 3: And, uh, you know, there are people out there who would never entertain that energetic resonance information, uh, on purpose, but instead, it's being dressed up as love and light, and it's s- g- being put into their minds anyway. And they're adopting-

[56:22] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[56:22] Speaker 3: ... to their belief systems. It's become a part of their belief system and their truth and all of that. And they're so far into it that if the information did come out about what this infiltration has done, they, they would be in denial. "Oh, that didn't happen to me. No, no."

[56:39] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[56:39] Speaker 3: "This is my truth." You, and they don't realize that they're now basically Luciferians.

[56:44] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[56:44] Speaker 3: They're, you know, uh, alien Luciferians. And they've been-

[56:48] Speaker 1: It's based on spirituality, you know?

[56:50] Speaker 3: Yeah. They've been tricked into it, you know? So they, they would never consciously decide to be, uh, Satanic, Luciferian type of energy, but instead, they've been tricked into it through all this l- you know, love and light, uh, kind of trickery. Um, so...

[57:07] Speaker 1: And then, and then they, they, they've gotten on the, uh, in the herd consciousness in coming after us. You know, the people that are bringing out the truth, the hard truth, you know, like, they come after us. But, I mean, there's people out there right now I know are behind all this, you know, meritless gossip and rumors and everything else that are now calling everybody to take the high road and don't get into disunity. And, and they're the ones that started all this nonsense, you know, in their competitive, back-stabbing ways.

[57:40] Speaker 1: And, and-

[57:40] Speaker 3: I've seen that happen time after time the last 12, 12 year-

[57:42] Speaker 1: Yeah! Yeah, it's such a paradox. And, and, you know, and they're, they're saying, "Well, we're just taking the high road." Well, the road you're on screwed a bunch of people, and maybe you might wanna go back and fix that one, you know? And, and, uh, uh, do a little restitution, a little apology there, you know, before you step over on the high road, you know? And, uh-

[58:02] Speaker 3: Well, the thing is, James, not even that deep down these people know who and what they are-

[58:11] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[58:11] Speaker 3: ... and what they're doing.

[58:12] Speaker 1: Exactly.

[58:13] Speaker 3: They know exactly what they're doing.

[58:16] Speaker 1: And, you know, somebody else knows what they're doing too. (laughs)

[58:19] Speaker 3: Yes, they do.

[58:21] Speaker 1: And karma's, karma's a bitch, you know? (laughs) I have to say. May sound unspiritual, but, uh, you know, everything is being amplified and accelerated right now. And so, the, like I said before, the truth is surfacing, everything's being revealed. Karma's being accelerated and amplified, and, uh, you know, it's like, you know, I'm just kind of sitting here watching it all unfold and say careful or you're gonna hurt yourself, you know? And, uh, you might wanna rethink this, this path you're on and do some soul searching and go out and meditate. Get out in nature, take your shoes off, and get really clear with why you're here, your own unique soul purpose, and get on with it, because all this other nonsense that's going on is, is all for acceptance and approval outside of yourself. It's all external. You haven't done your internal work yet, you know?

[59:12] Speaker 3: It is, and it's also a trap, because the more you get wrapped up in this stuff instead of the inner work, you will find all of a sudden, three years, five years, holy shit, 10 years-

[59:23] Speaker 1: Yeah. (laughs)

[59:23] Speaker 3: ... went by, and I'm the same person. I didn't do inner, the inner, any of the inner work. Holy crap.

[59:28] Speaker 1: Exactly.

[59:28] Speaker 3: You're in this safe little, uh, uh, mental, uh, kind of dimension of your own, you know? Your own reality, your own truth. And you-

[59:41] Speaker 1: Yeah, it's called denial. (laughs)

[59:43] Speaker 3: It ends up preventing them from actually growing.

[59:45] Speaker 1: Yeah. I agree. I think we're out of time right now, so we're, we're coming to the end of the hour.

[59:50] Speaker 3: Awesome.

[59:50] Speaker 1: It's been an awesome interview. I'm glad we're getting-

[59:52] Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a great talk.

[59:53] Speaker 1: ... the same, the same information on the same page.

[59:55] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[59:55] Speaker 1: The, uh, anything you wanna leave the audience with? Or ... I know you've got-

[01:00:00] Speaker 3: Yeah, the-

[01:00:00] Speaker 1: ... conference coming up. You've got the big conference coming up.

[01:00:03] Speaker 3: Yeah. You know, I would encourage everyone to either, uh, uh, watch online or please come to the conference. James will be there, I will be there, and many others. It'll be a, an amazing time. Um, I'm really happy to hear some of the stuff James is saying today. Um, it's congruent and right in line with a lot of the major communications I've been receiving. Um, I'm gonna be doing quite a presentation, uh, talking about my latest contacts, and the information I've been given. And, um, I'm looking very forward to sharing that with people in person and see how they react to it.

[01:00:46] Speaker 3: And I'm looking very forward to listening to James' presentation-

[01:00:51] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[01:00:51] Speaker 3: ... because he's obviously receiving some similar information right now.

[01:00:56] Speaker 1: Yeah. I've, I've gone way beyond any need for acceptance and approval outside of myself, and I always tell people, "Well, if you're pissed off, you need to be pissed off. And if it's not your coat, don't wear it."

[01:01:06] Speaker 3: That's right.

[01:01:06] Speaker 1: You know? If you already get upset, you might wanna check out what kinda coat you're wearing, you know? So, uh. (laughs)

[01:01:11] Speaker 3: Well, you know, we've been doing this so long, and you, and you realize that we're basically a screen, and there's a billion projectors out there.

[01:01:19] Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh, yeah.

[01:01:19] Speaker 3: And everyone is projecting on us all at once. And we've learned that, you know, that's, that's there.

[01:01:26] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[01:01:26] Speaker 3: That's real, you know? And I could, I just sort of really don't give a shit anymore-

[01:01:31] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[01:01:31] Speaker 3: ... what these people think.

[01:01:33] Speaker 1: I always- I used to say, "You have fun with that," or, "Thank you for establishing your character and your ignorance."

[01:01:37] Speaker 3: Right. In ignorance.

[01:01:37] Speaker 1: "Have a nice day," and walk away.

[01:01:39] Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.

[01:01:39] Speaker 1: You know? Uh-

[01:01:40] Speaker 3: Well, I appreciate the- the conversation today, James. I'm- I have to say, I'm pleasantly, uh, surprised and happy to hear some of the information that you're receiving right now as well.

[01:01:53] Speaker 1: Well, thank you.

[01:01:54] Speaker 3: And that it- and that it is in balance with what I'm receiving. 'Cause that's- that's always, uh, a good validation when you know someone, uh, of a- of a positive nature who is receiving something similar to you, so.

[01:02:08] Speaker 1: Yeah. And the good- good news is, you know, that this- this isn't gonna last. You know? That- that old world, that old consciousness is collapsing in on itself, and, you know, we just have to get out of the way, let it fall, and shift our energies towards the, you know, awakening and healing of humanity, Earth, and get off this old program. But anyway, I can't thank you enough for coming on the show, and good luck with, uh, getting your water back on, and everything else you need.

[01:02:37] Speaker 3: All right.

[01:02:37] Speaker 1: And we'll see you again soon.

[01:02:39] Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll see you in April, man. I'm looking forward to giving you a big hug.

[01:02:43] Speaker 1: All right. Awesome, you too.

[01:02:44] Speaker 3: All right. Take care.

[01:02:45] Speaker 1: All right. Good night.

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