Welcome to Signs of Life, Exploring Survival of Consciousness,
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And welcome to The Gathering on Signs of Life Radio. Thanks for joining us.
I'm Bob Ginsburg and we're joined by Tom and Melissa Gould, newcomers to the show.
Maybe 15 years. And Marta Kristin. Hello Marta. Hello.
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Now, let's say we've got a question. Can you reincarnate back to the same mother?
And actually, I defer to the experts on this. Jim Matlock, who's an expert in the field,
says, yes, it's absolutely possible. As a matter of fact, children who die young or before birth
generally reincarnate back to the same mothers. I didn't realize it was that frequent, but it's
more rough than not. Also, in addition to that, many other people are reincarnated to relatives
in the same family. So it happens more than you think. And then there was- Explain that with what
Jim believes. So are we speaking about probably a child that dies young or? Yeah, but child died
very young. And he says, even before birth, they most often, when they reincarnate, go back to the
same family, but the same mom. So the mom gives birth to the same child? Yeah, yeah.
That's awesome. I mean, a child won't look the same, but it's still the reincarnation of the
child. So that's pretty interesting. I really haven't thought about that before.
I really, before I looked into it, I thought that was kind of a rarity, but
evidently not based upon like, you know, thousands of cases. I wonder what he would use as the criteria
because I know when that was explored in the Netflix series about reincarnation. So if a child
was that young or hadn't even formed too much of a personality, let's say, or ability to speak.
Yeah, I mean, it's a good question because if you died, if you were still born or you died before
birth, how would we know that it's the same person reincarnated? But like you point out, if
the child was young, you know, three years, four years, five years old, then there's evidence,
you know, medical records and maybe markings on the child's body.
Or something.
Yeah, and the reincarnation stories that I've read about, it's the new child will have memories
that they will relate that will put the pieces together.
And in a lot of cases, you know, these investigators, they act like detectives because,
you know, you get all the clues and they pull medical records and police records and dental
records and school records and the child talks about all these things and if all the family
members and what they looked like, and sometimes they're lucky enough to trace it back.
If the old family was in the same geographical area to go back to the house with the child,
and then the child is, you know, hugging everybody because he's back with his family.
It's pretty incredible.
You know, it would be interesting. I'm not going to share personal names or stories,
but you probably recall Bob. I know Tom does last summer,
when we go into our July retreat, a woman shared with us a story about her son
recalling, man, he was only about six at the time, but what he expressed to his mom
was that he had been here before.
Right.
And I, you know, I don't think it occurred to any of us to say,
do you have the same mom? Because that now that makes me wonder.
Maybe if we have a chance to have a conversation again, we could.
Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah, that was, I think about that a lot. And that was very profound.
And that in the six year old child, who basically told his mom, I don't want to stay here.
Nothing has changed.
He said, people haven't learned anything from the last time I was here.
Yeah.
They're just as stupid as the last time I was here.
Yeah.
And she was like, what are you talking about?
I would imagine adults that are lucky enough to remember, you know,
past life would say the same thing.
And what that it's only gotten worse and I better get it in some cases, right?
Well, without going too far afield, I have a lot of, there are a lot of people today who feel that
things are lousy these days.
And I point out, well, look past it in human history.
When was it not lousy?
In the Roman Empire?
Yeah, things were really flowing nicely there.
No separation of a well, no caste system or division by wealth, you know.
Oh, please try to talk about it.
Just to be a chief writes, I'm writing to ask you about whether the soul or spirit of love
won after crossing over into the afterlife still holds the earthly relationship they have with the
family or partner in the physical realm.
I was my partner a few months ago and during the readings I had the responses that manifested
don't include messages of love.
In terms of messages or signs received, they also seem to be less should I be worried or
concerned about my relationship with him still?
You know, that's not the first time we've heard that.
You know, in the first part, do they still
maintain their earthly relationship?
We think yes, you know, they still remain a part of the loved ones, you know, lives.
I think, you know, she said she's had readings and the messages didn't include messages of love.
Well, I mean, that's not unusual because usually the medium is focused on the evidence, you know,
not necessarily the messages.
Sometimes there's a message, you know, of love, but you know, just think about the person and spirit
they want to get out as much as they can get through so that you know that it's them, you know,
and then maybe there wasn't, you know, time for messages, but, you know, but, but, you know, the
more she said she was concerned that, you know, about that, you know, maybe because she's not
hearing from him that there's something wrong with him or the relationship.
And that's, that's a question we hear a lot, you know, I don't know.
Marta, what are your thoughts on that? What would you tell somebody that was wondering if
their loved ones still love them, you know, because they haven't heard from them?
Well, I assume that they had great love or love during the relationship that would just carry on
through whoever, you know, from them as much as it comes from, you know, from the individual who's
saying that they would like to hear more love. I just feel there shouldn't be any doubt.
Or I said, I shouldn't say shouldn't. There's probably no doubt that the love is there. It
existed during their relationship while a partner was alive, was here, and exists in the after
life as well. Yeah. And imagine it not. Right. Yes. And you know, the accounts we get from people
who have had near-death experiences and that sort of thing is that they meet up with their loved ones
on the other side. And we've heard often that your loved ones are waiting for you to greet you
and help you cross over when you do. So in answer to the basic question of this caller is that,
yes, the relationship still is solvent and you will see them again when you get there.
Realizing again that when you're on the other side, we're talking about eternity. You're an
eternal soul. And here we have a very brief time in the sense of eternity. So if you don't hear
from them every day for them for a thing, that's not a big deal on the other side. But it does not
mean that they're gone and that they don't love you anymore. They very much do. And also, it's not
an easy thing on that other side to get through to a medium. It's worked on all three participants.
So the very fact that they are coming to you in a reading is a message of love that they took the
effort to get to you. Yes, I like that. Yeah, I got an email from an author and a researcher
and she was suggesting a topic and maybe on a future show she'll call in. But she has written
books and gives talks about what she calls being born aware. People have always remembered what
they thought when they were born and have retained those memories throughout their lives.
Some of the memories center around birth, who was present, what the temperature felt like,
and some around pre-birth, like memories on the other side. She says people that are born aware
know that their true home is on the other side and that they're here just temporarily and they'll
return home after physical transition. So, it's interesting. I thought the term was interesting,
get a born aware. Have you or do you know of anybody that I've met some people that claim that they
remember things from their birth or right after birth? I can't say I certainly I don't have
those memories. Yeah. Don't recall that. Do you Tom? No, although I do remember in the late 60s,
the turn to the 70s, there was a psychologist or psychiatrist by the name of Arthur Janoff,
who had a what he called primal therapy and that the whole thrust of primal therapy was trying to
get back to that original thought from when you were born. So, yes, it has been explored. I
have very little knowledge of how that goes. I believe in the book about that, about carrying
another book, a recent, relatively recent book, about carrying all of these things that happen to
you when you feel like you don't remember, but you carry it with you, you hold it with you.
So, the primal scream actually makes sense. I remember the primal scream
from the 70s, 60s or 70s. But it makes sense that if you had a difficult birth,
there's going to be something in your personality and your subconscious that
that speaks to it in your daily life or difficult situations or happy situations where
it becomes it's a part of you and you're it's like a muscle memory. No, it's there. And a matter of
acknowledging that and maybe working through it if you can. That movie that we showed Bob
years ago at one of our afterlife discussion groups, I think about often delivering Milo.
Oh, yeah. Yeah. And it was a couple with the baby about to be born, but the baby just wasn't
coming out. And I feel like in the film, they went to what this baby was experiencing kind of on the
other side. Yeah. Wasn't he waiting in line? You know, just he didn't want to make the plunge.
Yeah. It was very interesting. Yeah, it was. Why I don't you ever think about what the earliest
memory you have? Like at what age? I mean, do you? I mean, I could I could barely remember my 40s, but
I just know for myself because I do think about that sometimes that I know what home, what house
I was living in up until a certain age and a memory about in that house, like the way the rooms were.
So I could only sort of pinpoint it like that or or I do remember like in a crib climbing over
a crib. And I I'd have to think back if I lived in that house till maybe two, two years old. Yeah.
But you know, I'd have to place it along with something else that I know for sure. Yeah. And
sometimes, you know, we we're not sure whether we actually remember it or we remember the stories
that our parents told us or, you know, photos that we may have seen. I'm guessing that you
Marta that you can remember things when you were quite young. I can. Yeah. Because a lot of it
was a kind of survival technique that I have used in an orphanage. And so, yeah, it was,
I remember being chased. I remember being hands reaching out trying to pull me out from under a bed.
And yeah, I remember some things, but I was singing and dancing and entertaining.
Good and bad.
But yeah, exactly. Well, you know, that that's interesting in itself because
it's the significant things that, you know, that stay with you, not the mundane, you know,
I mean, a hand coming in to pull you out is traumatic, you know, I mean,
singing and dancing was a happy time. You know, it's so you, I guess that sticks with us.
I think that's why a lot of people have still retained their long-term memory
when they get older, but not that short because they remember the significant things, but not the,
you know, the common stuff they could easily forget.
Yeah. My family moved three times by the time I was four years old.
So I have distinct places that I lived and I can remember, I can't remember the first two places,
but I do have memories from the third place, which I lived in when I was three years old. So,
three years old is as far back as my memory goes where I have actual memories.
Yeah. I, I'm just looking at a question here. You know, some practitioners advertise they do
soul readings. And, you know, she said, I'm not sure what that is. Can you elaborate?
Um, you know, from what I gather, you know, soul readings explore like your inner self,
your core essence, you know, like your people talk about a blueprint, you soul, you know, blueprint,
emotional patterns, spiritual alignment, that kind of stuff. And the problem is that
there's not much evidence involved, you know, same thing like people talk about angel readings
where they communicate, you know, wisdom. So I guess it's for people that want to do, you know,
personal exploration and go back to their roots. And they use things like reading your oras or
your chakras or cards and crystals and things like that. You know, I was.
The same thing is like a past life or a caustic record reading.
So yeah, that would be different. You know, I think because they're,
they're actually using hypnosis, you know, to get you in that, that altered state to go back
to see if you remember, you know, you know, what past life and, and those that, you know, that's
the basis of the books like Brian Weiss and, you know, and so forth. And then the
wife between lives and so forth. So, you know, that's interesting. I never paid much attention to
soul readings, you know, because I'm just all about the evidence. So, you know, if it's not,
if I can't get any evidence, I'm not really interested, but I don't dismiss it. You know,
it's, it's, it's that I wonder if any of the certified mediums that also do soul readings.
I don't know. And I'm harassed. I heard that come up lately. Yeah.
I have a question. Do you think I, I'm asking this because I feel like I've encountered
people who are actual angels in that appear that come into my life. And then
they go, but it's, it's, it's, it's happened a couple of times and they've been brief
experiences, but they've been such that it's been life changing and life affirming.
And I just wonder about that. Are there angels amongst us?
So I have also heard of tales of that sort of thing where
a car breaks down on the side of the road or flat tire or something. And then suddenly there's
somebody there who helps you change the tire and then leaves and, and the person who is benefited
gets that feeling that that was angelic. Yeah. Yeah. It was purposeful. And what, what it
makes even more interesting when people talk about these kinds of angel sightings is that
nobody else, usually nobody else sees them.
Yeah. They go looking to thank them or they thought to a shopping.
Yeah. So did you just see that? What woman? There was no woman.
Right. Yeah. Yeah. I love those stories. Right. Yes.
Yeah, that would make an interesting little research project about that. You know, people who
see what they would term, you know, you know, was angels, which could be
visitations, you know, from loved ones as well. You know, sometimes that's a fine line, but
that would be an interesting study. Yeah. There was a publication, I believe it was
an offshoot of Guidepost magazine, which I know is more religious based, but they had
another publication called Mysterious Ways that I subscribed to for a long time,
because I loved stories like this. And, and they would be fascinating. I recall, you know,
a woman describing she was quite pregnant and she saw her, her toddler approaching train tracks
that were ran in the way back of the yard. And you'll being so heavily pregnant,
she couldn't get there fast enough and she could see the train coming. And it was horrific. And
a figure must have come and lifted up her son to avoid the train.
It's all sounding so fit like a fantasy story right now, but there was some evidence after the
train went by that the boy was on the other side, but his shoes remained on the side of the
track where she had seen him as if he had been lifted right out of his shoes and safely put on
the other side. And that's making me think of your story of Silas. Oh, you could have been impaled.
Well, yeah, that yeah, but that was no other individual. So I don't share that again right now.
Yeah, well, I've also heard or read, you know, accounts, especially like with car accidents where
people were obviously trapped in a car and, you know, seemingly a good smaret and, you know,
came and extricated them from, you know, open, bright open a door or something. And then it turns out
nobody ever saw that person that person disappears. And yeah, so
I'm certainly open to it. Yeah. Me too. Yeah, we had a story of I'm not sure if it's an angel or
visitation, but someone we know who had lost his mother and is an avid hiker had hiked up a mountain.
And there was only one trail to get to the top of the mountain. And when he got to the top of a
mountain, there was a woman there. And she wasn't really dressed like a hiker. It didn't have a water
bottle or anything like that. And she spoke to him and then went down the trail that he had come from,
which was the only trail. And then he went down the trail and came across two other hikers and said,
did you see that woman on the trail? And they said, no, we didn't see a woman. And he kind of
suddenly realized, wow, I think that was my mother that came and visited me. Yeah.
Yeah.
The question that, you know, do we have personalities in the next world? And do they sometimes clash
with others? I think like minded people are together and on the other side. I, yeah, of course, if they're
roughswords, they might clash. Yeah. The clashing part, I'm not so sure. I know or have an idea on that.
But I definitely, yes, you maintain your personality. I remember going to see one of the famous mediums,
John Edward, and he was doing a large theater reading session. And he mentioned right at the
first he goes, I just have to tell you up front, if you're Italian, you have a better shot because
I'm Italian. And the Italians come through and he they'll even talk about well, I have a spirit here
and she's running the whole show here and she's letting people in. So whether they're doing that
just as evidence, as you would say, to show, well, that's her all right, or whether you just maintain
that. Yeah. Well, I think that when they communicate that through mediums, it's a form of evidence.
But the way I always look at it is that when we say clash or have disagreements, you know,
personality clashes, usually are the result of human emotions, you know, greed, ego,
and so forth. And which is, you know, and we believe that there's none of that on the other side.
So I don't see that being many disagreements, if any, and it brings up something that you brought
up more so like somebody asked if if if people lie on the other side, right? You know, and for
the same reason, I don't think there's line, but didn't you ask a couple of mediums that?
I did a couple of our mediums, Bryce and Joe, who are on that Netflix. I mean, the YouTube
program voices from the grave. I thought, let me reach out to them and just get their opinion
because they do readings all the time. And Bryce and Joe both agreed that an entity from the other
side, let me see what I've jotted down what Bryce said. She said spirits often won't lie, but they
can. And if they do, it is very obvious and almost implied that they're not telling the truth.
And that struck a chord with me as if it's done in a, oh, I don't know whether sort of a facetious
way or, you know, you might recognize your uncle going, that sounds the way he would answer a question.
But she said, we know they're lying. So it's sort of a trademark, perhaps, of their personality.
And Joe said also they basically do that in a normal, they basically never do that in a normal
reading unless it's them making a joke or sarcasm or just trying to convey their personality.
So I recall Bob, you saying there's really no reason to lie, but if that was what they were known for,
perhaps, or? Yeah, I mean, if you're being a little trickster, you know, so.
I know that sounds just like my uncle. Right. And also, as you have mentioned in the past,
spirits on the other side don't talk to one another. Their communication is always telepathic. So
they're basically reading each other's minds all the time. So it's hard to lie if somebody can
look into your minds or will. Come on. You know, and that's making me think of that reading I had
back in 20 years ago and Tom's dad came through. And the medium said that, and I recognize it as
being Tom's dad who was, who was the only close family member to me at the time that had crossed
over. And, you know, here I am, tall, dark and handsome. And he, I mean, he was tall. He was a
good looking man. He didn't have dark hair, but it's just kind of one of those phrases. Well,
you know, you don't exactly fit that exact description, but I knew exactly that was his sense of humor.
And that's how he would describe himself. Yeah. And that's, it's key in a lot of the reading,
readings when the medium takes on the personality that's a strong form of evidence.
It's, you know, a serious question that we hear a lot, you know, involving suicide.
I was wondering if you could provide any feedback that has been received when someone
ends their life, like her son, having been raised Catholic. I have been told it's a grave matter.
But my son was a good person, believed in a divine creator, though did not practice any one
religion. Is there hope for an afterlife for him? You know, like Debbie and, of course, there is.
Yeah. I mean, you know, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, we've talked about this before,
and you know, most people that take their own lives do because they're, they have emotional,
you know, issues, you know, could be depression, you know, various illnesses and, you know, why we
treat a mental illness different than cancer, you know, is beyond me and all this is an illness,
you know, but I don't think that anybody is, is ostracized or judged because of that.
I think there's self, self judgment, as we often discuss, and maybe that person does a little bit
more deep reflection on the other side, you know, than others, and it takes a little bit longer for
them to sort of, you know, get back into the swing of things, if you want to call it that. But
I know that that that religion, I mean, I've seen it countless times that people that have,
especially, you know, being a devout, you know, Christian, we are told you're going to go here
or go there, depending on your wife, you know, that could be harmful because I just don't think
that's the way it is. I mean, you guys could chime in on that. Yeah, there are no other places.
It's all one place. It's just your vibration. And, and yeah, and as you say, you're,
you're self judgment. You might discover that if you have ended your life early, that you
haven't completed what you came here to do, and you'll have to just come back and finish or, or maybe
that was what you were supposed to be doing. We don't know that how these contracts work.
But, but the bottom line is, is your energy is your energy. And once you
shed the human body, you will be part of the, the loving energy of the universe.
Yeah.
Yeah.
More to you, you must have come across that. I mean,
I know you used to go to church regularly and, you know, had a lot of friends that
have religious convictions. Does that topic come up at all? I mean, what do they say to you,
you know, when you hear somebody takes their own life?
I've encountered that. And I've never been fond of, of anyone who believes that because
a person has in so much despair that they take their life, that they would be then punished
after they die. It doesn't make any sense to me.
Because if indeed, you believe in, if you have a Christian faith, there is forgiveness.
Complete forgiveness when you die. And,
because there's complete love and, and that's what Christianity to me means that Christ came
into this world to, to bring the awareness that we all should have. We all have this great,
enormous capacity to love. And, and that's what we are surrounded with. And so it's just
some man-made rasmataz. This, well, if you commit suicide, maybe it's because you want,
you don't want, obviously, you don't want people to commit suicide. You don't want people to be
gone. You want people to resolve their issues that make them so unhappy. But, you know, my mother
was very, my mother who lived to be 98 was very, and my father as well. They were very,
very supportive of, of allowing someone who is, is like, old and very sick.
To, to take their lives, to, you know, take pills or just go gently into that good night. And, and,
and they were very, very, very strong, have very, very strong faith. So, yeah, I, I definitely think
that they would never have supported that kind of, of a punishment. No, no. Yeah.
That's why I'm so happy, Bob, when parents come to the grief retreats and if they'd had any
concerns or thoughts about that, it's quickly dispelled after talking to the mediums and to the
other attendees. Because sadly, they're, we're experiencing more and more
situations where the grief is over someone taking their own life. Right. A lot of them
accidental these days too. But, just as I said.
It's a question. Do you think our technology discoveries will eventually make it easier for
those in the next world to communicate with us in our world?
I think, yes. I think as we learn more and more about the nature of consciousness,
and then we make advances in communication and information perception, like the combination,
will make it easier eventually. I don't know if it will be in our lifetime, but I think that
the people in the next world, they're looking for, to better the communication skills, right?
Because they want to get messages across. So, I think that they're going to figure out how to take
advantage of every week something new comes out. I don't know where AI is going to wind up with
any of this, but. Well, you know that one of the last things in his life that Thomas Edison was
working on was a phone to talk to spirit. And so he began the process of trying to develop that
before he died. And I know that there are people now who are trying to
revise that process. Right. Yeah, I think it'll happen.
There was a person asking if we advance to new realms in the non-physical world, like if it's a
progression that's talking about, do you think our memories carry over? In other words,
well, we remember our existence in a previous realm. So, I think what they're talking about is,
so when we're in the physical world, we physically die and we go to the next realm,
well, we retain our memories. And we know the answer to that, you know, with mediumship and
everything else. Yes. But let's say now you're, you become, you're operating at a higher frequency,
and you move on to the next sphere or realm, or what do you have going to call dimension,
you know, so do you remember what your life in, in the previous dimension, you know, do you keep
is a cumulative, and you just keep stacking memories? I don't know. I have to say yes, because
well, the Akashic records keeps records of all of your memories for all of your lives. And
it can be accessed. So, you know, and what we talked about earlier of children being born that remember
the reincarnated selves from before and remember facts and even recognized family members. So,
so yeah, there's a, there in this physical realm, there are people who have remembered the past
realm. And most of us don't because the human form is flawed and most of us don't do that. But
the ability is there. And I believe that when you do cross over and you shed all of these,
this, this physicality that's basically holding us back that you will discover that you have
abilities. And I think that's probably one of them. I think it's more pure love that is all
encompassing if we think of someone elevating to higher levels. And so, it might be retaining
more messages of love and connection to those they that were part of their lives. But me,
as some of the smaller details that aren't important to begin with,
yeah, human minds, right, you're probably right. I think that, I think that as we progress in these
other dimensions that are earthly memories begin to fade after a while, simply because they're
not important anymore. You're on to bigger and better things. You know,
what's the fact you'll know that you'll see them again if you haven't already, you know, and so,
who knows? Well, speculation. Hey, you know, when I'm up at three o'clock in the morning and I
can't go back to sleep, you know, my mind wanders. So, I'm sure yours does too. So, I made some notes
of things that I was just this morning after I did the wordle, you know, what I was thinking about
and I'm spilling big. I have to do both. So, what's imagined that spirit decides as a group that
they're going to give us irrefutable proof that we survive and go into next slide. Now,
what would that irrefutable proof be? I don't know. It could be a mass materialization of all the
spirit things around the world. You know, like you just can't deny it. I mean, in every country,
it wants everybody seeing their loved ones, you know, for a short period of time, just as a way
out example. So, now everybody knows that for sure, without a doubt, that we're going to live on,
how would that affect everybody's life? I mean, would people try to hasten their physical death to
get to move on with their journey? Would people live recklessly, you know, because they know that
they could do dangerous things because they know they're not going to die? Or would they have a better
appreciation for life and enjoy life more? They're at warring about death? You know, or many other
things. I mean, what would, how would you, how would it change you if you knew without a doubt,
you know, that you go into another place? I already know that. Yeah, I know.
What has changed, you know, in the last, you know, with our experience with the Forever Family
Foundation and what we have discovered in that time gives me the confidence that that is true.
And yeah, it helps a lot. I mean, it helped to certainly help when I went in for surgery,
I've had three surgeries in that period of time. And I went in without any fear.
I hope that I have become a more compassionate and loving person than I was. I certainly,
yeah, I don't have the, I don't have the, I wouldn't say greed, but the
the competitive desire to, for money that I might have had 30 years ago.
Yeah. So yeah, I think it's for the better. And yeah, and as you say, as I've mentioned often,
that, you know, I know that our spirits are in an eternal form that we are here for eternity.
And I'm realizing that our time here is so brief. And so I do try to enjoy the moment that I'm in.
I try to enjoy the physical pleasures that you have in this life and appreciate them while we
have them. So yeah, there's a lot that's positive in accepting this as truth.
Right. And you don't live recklessly, you know, because, you know, and you don't,
you certainly don't do anything to hasten your visit to the other side, right? And you know
that there's a place to, you know, to go. So, but I wonder, that's us. Not everybody feels the same
way that we do. So I was just contemplating like the general masses around the world, you know,
the downtrodden and the, you know, the people that have all sorts of physical and mental hardships
and, you know, and everything else, they may react differently. You know, I know, I don't think I
would change the way I live, you know, now the only thing that came to mind is I wouldn't
think twice, you know, if I got a terminal illness to, as Marta was saying, you know, with
with her parents to, you know, ease that transition. But I think even people that didn't believe in
in life after death, but a lot of them think the same way who wants to suffer, right?
I think so many, it's funny when you were describing it, I was seeing our world just being surrounded
by these like bird-like vapors, you know, that that we're telling us it's okay. It's okay, you
know, we're all a part of the one and don't worry about dying because it's, as you were saying,
it's all so it's okay that there is life after death. But I think that we're here
to, as it's a gift that we have, life is a gift. This life is a gift. The next life is a gift.
And to make the most of what you have, the gift that you have. And to embrace that and
reach out to your fellow man. I mean, it sounds so Pollyannaish. I know, but it is the truth.
And not to be so concerned unless you're ill about life after death and
wanting to connect with your loved ones is absolutely natural. And because I know that they're there.
But it's funny because there might be some people who would live recklessly, you know,
they knew that they had forever. They would just go from one life to another.
But I think on the whole, most people would want to stay here and to be with the people that they've
established a life with and love with. And it would certainly be a relief for most people to think that.
That we go on, we continue.
I hear people say often that they want to live forever. And they're not talking in an
ethereal sense. They're talking about in this physical world. And they'll do everything to
all these new treatments and everything to extend their life. But in the future, I think that
without question, our lives are going to be mortality span is going to extend. We're going
to live longer because medical advances are going to continue. I think eventually, I think we're
going to get to a point where, I mean, human organs have a shelf life. And even if you get a
transplant, you know, it still has a shelf life. So I think we're going to have artificial
manufactured organs, you know, and then they're going to cure diseases. And they're going to
but then again, if you have I was thinking about this too, my mind is wandering. So diseases
attack organs. But if your organs are all artificial and manufactured, they're not going to be attacked.
So you might be immune to that. But but but when it comes to the brain, when your brain
atrophies, then what, you know, if if they wind up giving you an artificial brain, that's a scary
thought, because now we become automatons. And we're done, you know, that there's no, you know,
feelings and emotions and intelligence are all manufactured consciousness is manufactured.
You know, that's when I say check please, you know, I'm out of here.
I just know when you're going, Bob, we'll come right along with you.
You know, Bob, there's always something.
If it's not this, it's that if it's not that it's this.
You have to be old to remember that reference.
Gilder.
Yeah.
For that age.
All right, well, we don't have enough time to get into a another topic. So we'll read our
global peace prayer, written by Claude Swanson, who's now on the other side.
What does one consciousness give our energy of loving thought by praying like this?
To love one another, to treat others as we would like to be treated, to forgive others and
return love for hate, kindness for anger, to spread this feeling to everyone, to a fellow man,
as well as the earth and its environment.
And I'd like to say our loved ones are only a heartbeat away.
And science is going to accept it.
Thank you, everybody. We'll see you next time.
Have a wonderful weekend and we'll see you soon.
Looking forward to it. Bye bye.
Bye bye.