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Good evening and welcome to Shadow politics.
An hour long, grassroots talk show which will attempt to make America think again.
When I'm in a mission to do that and in order to do that, we have to listen to all sides
in order to have a reasonable opinion.
You know, we're going to have a special guest tonight named William Shelton who is an arborist
and small business owner in the DMV.
That's what we call the area of Washington of Maryland, Virginia.
Mr Shelton is a native Washingtonian who was raised in Fairfax Virginia.
He has a political science degree from Old Dominion University at Great School and labels
himself as a libertarian.
He's a Christian, a father, a proud gun owner and a patriot.
He once voted for Donald Trump has no regrets last time he voted for no regrets.
Liberty Jones and I are going to inquire why Mr Shelton casted both in 2024 for Donald Trump.
I don't see Liberty Jones, so we're going to start without her.
But welcome to the show.
Mr Shelton, thank you so much for being with us.
For having me.
Thank you.
Let me ask you my first question, okay, which can you give me the top three characteristics
that are important to you in a leader and then tell me how you feel Donald Trump meets
those characteristics for you?
Well, sure.
I think in this day and age that they're, you have to have a lot of leeway when you come
to picking because we can't pick our candidate.
They're pretty much presented to you and then they're packaged and then they're sold.
That's true.
There's nothing really, you know, when it comes down to why did I vote for Donald Trump,
I didn't find that it's first time around to be offensive.
So after comparing it to the second time or the interruption with Joe Biden, I had no
problem voting for Trump in 2024.
So based on his previous presidency, I was okay with voting for him.
He does have presence.
He's a larger than life individual.
He knows how to speak to his base.
He knows how to appeal to his sense of what is in America, what is America, and what is
in American.
And he knows, you know, I think how to give them the red meat, if you will, that they
can center on.
And I think that's what I would say about Trump.
I like lower taxes as a business owner.
I like low taxes.
I like certain things that would, that would low regulation, if you will.
And so there's certain things about Trump, I guess, in a fiscal sense that I would appeal
to me.
Well, that, that all makes sense to me and much of what I agree with much of what you
say that candidates have chosen for you.
You have a choice, but you have a choice from column A or column B. It's not like you
could order anything on the menu.
I mean, technically you can, but it doesn't do you any good.
There really are only two choices in a presidential election.
So I agree with that.
And I also think the larger than life persona is a big factor that attracts people to him
and he really is larger than life.
So that's, I mean, I understand.
I don't agree, but I understand.
Let me ask another question, a more pointy question.
Why war was Iran?
Iran wasn't a threat to the United States.
They didn't have nuclear weapons.
And then the result of it has been that the regime has gotten even more conservative and
we reduced our stockpile of weapons by 7% and we spent $100 billion on a war.
And it was just announced by the president that they come to an agreement and they're
going to open the Straits of Horn moves, but the Straits of Horn moves were open 107 days
ago before all this started.
So how did you feel about the warrior Iran?
Do you think that was a good decision on his part and why?
Well, giving the setup that you just gave me, it's like walking through a minefield,
isn't it?
But let's do this.
In the same way that we'll never get to pick our candidate, you know, there was a candidate
one time his name was Ron Paul.
The, a large portion of the Republican base and I think back then they called it the
Tea Party.
Yeah, Tea Party.
Exactly.
They really, they really liked Ron Paul.
They liked no wars.
They liked a lot of the, you know, social agenda, you know, he, his idea was, you know,
who you marry and what you do.
And he was also, you know, also kind of open to the idea that fighting a drug war, that
was a losing war, as much as he was against war, he was against the drug war.
So he did not go over big with the Republican base.
I mean, with the Republican leadership, you know, the ones that pulled the strings.
And they found a way to marginalize him and get him out the way that Democrats did to
Jerry Brown with Clinton.
Or Bernie Sanders, excuse me, I don't mean you're a roughly, I also supported until he
capitulated the very, he, he, I sent our family sent Bernie Sanders money.
And on the very next day, he capitulated the second time around.
And I actually asked him for my money back.
And never got.
Is that right?
Well, I can tell you just, just for your identification, it's illegal not to give you
your money back.
Well, I never got it back.
Oh, well, again, they know that very hard for you to communicate directly with anybody
in any of these campaigns.
So they can find you, but you can't find them.
They don't want your feedback.
They don't, they want your money.
And they want you to park your car.
They don't want your feedback.
The, so back to the reason I said this, you know, your setup was very complicated.
And we're talking about the Iran war and the Iran war that we're engaged in so far
as just been a bombing war.
And it was done with, you know, we were with Israel.
Had been collecting data and information just like the United States.
And they have been comparing this information.
And they would, comparing it and sharing it.
And they knew that the time would be limited.
That they could take a shot at reducing the Iranian nuclear capabilities.
They knew very well that they had developed a ballistic missile.
And they knew very well that they had never stopped enriching uranium.
Because our first under Obama, we gave them billions of dollars to do nothing, which they
promptly dispersed among Hezbollah, Hamas, and all their other terrorist, you know,
cronies, their lackeys that have set up shop in Gaza.
They set up shop in Lebanon.
They shut up shop in Syria.
And you know, we should also note right now that Syria is kind of back on its feet.
After all that it went through, they're back on their feet.
And it's good that we actually have a dialogue with Syria right now.
Back to Iran.
You know, we don't know what everybody knows, you know.
We don't know what they knew when the Bay of Pigs went down.
That was a disaster under Kennedy.
But they were very short of a few things.
And that was that those missiles, F-Armp, could have wrecked the United States.
And so some action had to be taken at that time.
Looking back on it, the action looked like it was appropriate.
And we've now been engaged in this very, very long Cold War with Cuba.
And I think that if the amount of enriched uranium was correct, that the amount that
they have publicly announced, I think it was enough for 12 ballistic missiles that could
reach Europe.
And if that was the right thing to do, and we can get out with a minimal loss of life,
I'm going to have to say that I support it.
And I think that on the end, if the Europeans come back and say, listen, you know what,
thank you.
Because if it hadn't been done then, and if we waited and he did nothing for the next
four years, you know, they could have done it in his last year, or they could have done
it on the next incoming president.
But if everything is true, that up here has to be true, that they could have unleashed,
and these guys were capable of doing it.
They don't care about human life.
We can tell how they treat their own citizens.
They don't care about human life.
They don't care about using other people as their lackeys, like, again, Hamas and Hezbollah,
and they don't mind doing it to other countries like Lebanon and Palestine.
These people are maniacs.
They are very sick, murderous people.
If we could arm their populace and get them some leadership and arm the populace, so we
don't have to go in there.
That's our next best.
But you know, I think right now they're just going to have to watch what ratholes they
go in and monitor the situation, and then probably have to go after them again.
Because, you know, early on, the Iranians here in the United States and across the world
were so happy to have those mullers dead.
They wanted those mullers dead for a long time.
But now we see how deep the ratholes that they go into are, and you can't get all of
them.
And we think after figure out, you know, the next step on getting these people out of power.
And it's a challenge, and I think the world needs to get in on it, you know, other than
to complain about the cost of oil.
I think that it's always easier than politically expedient to say, oh, what a bad idea.
I would have done that differently.
Well, we know that what you did, you gave them billions of dollars, you gave them all
kinds of technological help.
Well, a piecement as Churchill will tell you, doesn't work.
A piecement does not work.
OK, let me just follow up before I let Liberty Jones is with us now.
She was having some technical issues to ask you a question.
But let me just say that first, it, it, it, I know that you mentioned the Bay of Pigs.
I think this was the same thing.
The CIA talked John F Kennedy into invading Cuba because they thought the Cubans would
rally behind them, which they did not.
Donald Trump made the same mistake.
They said early on in awards that they thought the Iranians would rally behind them, but
they didn't.
And the billion dollars that Obama gave him kept them from getting a nuclear weapon.
They had no nuclear weapon.
You don't know what, wait, Donald Trump started the whole war saying they had no nuclear weapon.
Everybody agreed they had no nuclear weapon.
He was going to stop them from developing.
So we've now, it's just been a billion dollars.
We spent a hundred billion dollars and they're saying the states of order, the movies will be open,
but it was already open.
It didn't come with.
And I don't think any of the Europeans agree with you because none of them came to help.
Liberty, do you have a question?
Hi, I'm sorry about that.
I was having issues with my compiler, but you know, you say that a piecement doesn't work, right?
Exciting Churchill and Churchill's argument, to my understanding of it, wasn't that military
intervention would be wise either.
To me, it was that concessions to an aggressive power without a strategy can be dangerous.
And so what evidence is there that this particular intervention will achieve its goals?
And you mentioned as well that the dream plan here would be to arm the civilians
and to avoid direct involvement, right?
But how do you prevent these weapons from ending up in the hands of extremists?
You said they don't care about anyone.
How is that distinction going to be made?
What is the realistic path for more weapons to find a stable piece?
And if these critics that you mentioned as well are truly only motivated by oil prices or politics,
can you point to specific arguments that they're making and explain why they're wrong
on the merits rather than dismissing their motives?
But again, that was a link.
It's a bit philosophical, but I'm a student.
The thing about the thing about Stambralin, when he said there'll be peace in our time,
you know, it was a wish.
And basically omitting the realities of Nazi-ism and fascism.
And it was just a pipe dream that really the British Empire just a little bit more time
before they invaded Europe in totality.
There's a couple things that I think that you can't overlook here.
And that's really the far C.
These are Persians.
They're different from the rest of the Islamic world.
And they are not known to negotiate and they're not known to give up.
And if you think that they're not going to develop the nuclear weapon,
I think you're as, oh, I don't know, as Polly Ann, I think Chamberlain would have been in his position
to think that these Nazis, and fascists, and Islamists, and Muslims
that believe in a one-world government dictated by their instructions
of Islam.
And I just think it's completely Pollyanna.
It just doesn't even, because they're very clear about what their ultimate goal is.
The second thing is, if you're not putting any money into a project
and you can get a lot of it, then why in death?
I mean, if you're going to clean up around the edges, why in death?
And another thing is because Trump has done this.
And it's basically said, we're tired of footing the bill.
We're tired of footing the bill for the troops in Europe.
We're tired of footing the bill for NATO.
We're tired of it.
And I think he speaks for a lot of the American people when he says that this has gone on
since the end of World War II.
And we're always picking up the check, and we're always picking it up here, there, and everywhere.
And a lot of these situations also involve other countries and their national interest.
But no one's ever forthcoming with the money.
And I think more and more, whether it's locally or in our cities or at our state level,
I think that this whole endless checkbook thing is going to come to an end.
It's got to stop because everybody is broke.
And I think that if we don't do, and back to this thing with Iran,
again, I don't think they're to be trusted, you know.
And I don't think there's much debate about that, you know.
And one more thing I do want to bring up and we can go into the next thing is there's no
I'm not, I don't fool myself with the idea that Donald Trump didn't go into Venezuela,
isn't making overtures about Cuba because they're easy, low-hanging fruit.
And I think he knows it.
But he bit off a little bit more than he could chew with this Iran thing and to find the right way out of it
politically right now is his worst nightmare.
But given the government we've gotten, you know, the last, I don't know, since what, the year 2000
since Clinton, even before.
I mean, I don't see this as being any kind of terrible voice, you know.
I just don't see it that way.
Well, let me just add to that.
I think that's a pretty good analysis too, but let me just add that that when you say that the Islamic government wants the world
to be won the war route by Islam, it's the same in the United States.
The Christian fundamentalists want to run a government that wasn't, wasn't formed on Christianity.
In fact, it was formed because Christians escaped persecution in Europe.
But they wanted to do the same thing.
They want a government built on Christianity.
We had a Charlie Kirk person on a few weeks ago, who said he thought that Donald Trump was sent here by God to bring his kingdom on to earth.
And, and I would just like to add that in addition to it being scary when Islam wants to do it, it's scary when America wants to do it too.
But let's go on to.
Okay, go ahead.
Yeah.
And the UK right now and in Ireland and Northern Ireland, the UK, Denmark, Sweden.
What, what, what are the Christians doing there?
Remind me.
I don't know what the Christians are doing there, Ashley, but they have homogeneous populations.
So it's a bad comparison.
Well, let me ask you a question.
What is it that, what is it that's going on in those countries that has the, the, that has created a state of unrest?
Probably immigration, if I had to guess, but that's the guess on my part, because I'm really not familiar with what's going on there to be honest with you.
But I know that immigration is a very big problem.
You want to say something?
And you know what kind of immigration specifically is a big problem?
Well, I'm sorry, what kind of immigration?
Is that what you're saying?
I would say non-European.
Yeah, Muslim.
Muslim.
Not the Christians, my friend, but the Muslims.
And I got a question concerning immigration.
Why is it that all of these people are fleeing to European, Western European countries, Christian,
and Christian countries.
And why are there not there, like say, when they leave Sudan, why don't they go to Algeria?
Why don't they go to Morocco?
Why don't they go to Saudi Arabia?
Why do other Islamic fundamentalists, countries, not just the country,
not take in the immigrants?
Well, I mean, I would say that that's probably, you know, like we've given you complex questions with complex answers.
I would say that the answer to your question is the same.
That's very complicated.
Can I butt in here?
Yeah, please.
Okay, so why isn't it then that when we decided us Western countries, right, European countries as well for considering the United States
and original landmark of colonization for them, why didn't we decide to expand with Muslim and Islamic religions then to build years of fortune around that?
You know, I think that you're assuming immigration problems are primarily caused by religion instead of factors like policy, economic opportunity, education, crime enforcement,
that are things that are developed in society that unfortunately, societies didn't have time to develop because they were at the,
well, because they were at the weaker front of all of this colonization that happened by Christians.
They were in charge of the world.
And my question, I allowed for that to answer that question because Saudi Arabia is not a developing country. Neither is the United Arab Emirates.
Neither is Kuwait or Dubai.
These places are technologically advanced.
They have advanced societies and education.
Why are they not taking in a larger portion of the Islamic refugees?
Why are they going to Europe instead of their local, local nearby neighbors?
Well, that's not different than the United States.
The United States is primarily a Christian country and we're deporting Christians right and what? Nobody that comes over the border.
Nobody comes over the border from the South is not a Christian.
What?
My co my co-host is resilient and she can tell you that most Brazilians are Catholics, almost all of South America's Catholic.
So, I'm going to leave my word of Christian.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
I'm going to leave my question open as to why Muslim countries don't take in Muslim immigrants.
The next thing I'm going to say to your statement about not taking in Christians.
Well, I mean, we're certainly have taken in plenty of Somali refugees.
Yeah, not as many as many as many other denominations, but they're black.
And that's the problem with Donald Trump has with them. He's a racist, sir.
Oh, that you're going race. You're going to call it Donald Trump a racist.
Yes, he's been convicted in court of it. This isn't something I'm making up.
The court convicted early on in his career, him and his father were using racist, you know, racism in their.
Raining of apartments in New York and the building of new housing.
So it's not something I'm making up.
You know that in the last election.
Um, lap men.
And Hispanics, both men and women.
I eat people of color. I don't like that phrase.
Vote it.
Increasingly for Donald Trump.
Yeah, we're also in a process.
That's misleading, sir. Only like 5% of black people voted for Donald Trump.
Most black people really just like Donald Trump.
And most Hispanics now, but I can tell you why the Hispanics voted for him.
Because my grandmother was in Italian, never birth.
And she believed that he and wanting more Italians in the country when she was in the country.
You know, because every time he gives something to an immigrant.
And I think this is a big problem with the way we look at immigration.
A lot of people see this as your stomach game.
Whereas you give something to an immigrant, you take something away from an American.
And I don't believe that's necessarily true since our country was actually built with immigrants, not with native people.
It was built on the on the backs of immigrants.
So, yeah, I think that's I think that's a little misleading.
But let me tell you also, if immigration is your issue, that this administration.
I didn't say that was my issue.
I'm not okay.
Why is why doesn't I mean, I, I pretty listen, if you're asking me, do I like Donald Trump immigration policy?
Based on, you know, if we're going to say that today's people are crossing the border, you know, at a 1% you know, illegal crossing.
As opposed to a wide open 28 million people walking in across the unchecked.
No vaccine, no nothing.
That's a lot of men.
And you know, and you know what, it really bothers me when I had to get my real ID.
Yeah, you only have got your real ID because of paranoia in America. But let me tell you that.
That was a democratic plot.
There were 10.5 million.
Immigrants illegal immigration illegal immigrants in the United States in 2020.
And there are 14.2 million.
In 2025. So it's gone up 4.2 million. So are not 28.
28 million total immigration.
I'm not.
I'm not.
I'm not.
All right.
All right.
That number can say anything you want, but go ahead.
Okay.
So I have a question.
Okay, go ahead.
Liberty, go.
Sorry, I have a question for you. And this is a little packed, but.
If Donald Trump.
Is not racist.
Right. And if these narratives that he's.
Creating to justify his policies are all true.
Then do you believe that Mexican people eat dogs.
Do I believe.
I believe that an individual in a desperate situation would resort to.
Unorthodox ways of feeding themselves. I probably.
No, not a desperate individual, a Latino immigrant.
I just.
I'm not going to respond to that.
But that's fine.
But, but, but that's exactly what they said.
Let me, let me just say this.
I.
Have to be very careful here.
I support.
Immigration.
Now the first round of heavy immigration in the D.C. area.
Where from Salvador from the Civil War.
And a lot of the Salvadorians ended up doing very well here in the district.
Because we were in a period of decline and.
The late the people that came from Salvador established themselves in communities like Columbia Heights and not pleasant.
And the money that they made from buying buildings at $5,000 and $7,000.
And that they hung on to.
Now.
Is driving the inflation in Salvador.
The cost of a line is $5.
And they're saying that all of the money that's been repatriated.
That the Salvador has now created again a very stark and different.
So two class systems between the half and the half not.
And so that's one of the unintended consequences of successful immigration.
The immigrants that came during Hurricane Mitch.
That I'm very familiar with.
You know these these individuals came and with the.
The desire to work and establish homes and not all of them because of a very.
Like you know like they just had to pick a cut off day.
When there were a lot of people trying to get in line to get the.
The the the.
The you know the the department.
You know for Mitch for the hurricane.
And I just thought it was arbitrary the way they just cut that thing off because I was in the middle of helping several families at the time.
Now let's go to the last wave of immigration.
And it came from all over.
From the Chinese to the Somalis to people from all over trying to get in through Mexico.
And there were millions of them and many of them were sick.
And they were very little check they had more checks during Ellis Island than they did at the southern border under Joe Biden.
And what happened in this low of immigration were a lot of criminals came in.
They use the truth.
So we got to stop.
The statistic.
Just one second.
Typically don't cut me up on this because typically no.
So the gentleman then the men and wait ladies that have worked for me.
For many many years the next thing in their city.
We have loan sharking payday.
Payday loans where you know somebody has borrowed money and then the collector shows up on the day of payday and the man's the full check.
There was an increase of drug use.
Prostitution.
Human trafficking.
And the guy said I said what's going on.
What's going on.
And they were just saying that there's a lot of bad people coming in.
And there's no difference between what they're doing in their community.
Then say what the mafia did when they came in to give the Italians protection so called.
And there's no very little difference between you know some of this crime is the same crime.
It's just different people and different years.
And so there's a lot of exploitation.
Right.
Open door policy.
That wasn't.
You're right about that.
Was a lot of bad actors.
Okay.
Well, you're right about that.
But let me say that it wasn't just the Italians.
It was the Irish.
It was the Italians.
It was the Germans.
It was the Polish.
That's what always happens.
Okay.
But the truth of the matter besides your anecdotal information is that the immigrants that have come in and are not documented cause crime at a lower rate than the people that live here.
The people that live here already American citizens.
That's the statistic.
Commit more crimes than immigrants do.
And it makes sense because if you're trying to sneak into a country, sir, you're not going out and committing crimes.
You're keeping it on the down low.
You're keeping a low profile.
But let's move on.
I think a lot of the points you made are very good.
But let's move on for a second because I think you're right.
I think that that this is the feeling that people have.
And this is what we're trying to get at tonight with you is why people like Donald Trump.
And I think that that so many of the things you said are very representative of the way people feel and we should never forget that even though as liberal, we think we know we're right about everything.
We didn't elect our American American elected Donald Trump.
So go ahead.
Something else.
You wonder why so many people so many immigrants or people.
And I think that that's been a decent support Donald Trump.
And it's because to them and a lot of what I'm going to say.
And bear this appraisal applies to me.
It's how I feel.
And I think that when you look at.
Or I know for a fact, like, you know, people of faith.
Well, they may not always believe that he's, you know, a true Christian, you know, and by some standards.
We're going to not get into that.
But what they see is the American promise, the American way.
They see somebody of strength.
They see somebody that's not playing games.
They want to know that this country that they've come to work hard in.
They raise their family in.
Is not made up of chaos.
And the Democrats project chaos.
They project fighting in the streets over.
And ice detention.
They project fighting in the streets over anything and everything that can be construed to race.
And after a while, it gets tired.
You know, okay, so this is a tired, tired act.
Right. And this is a place to stop for a second.
And just to just say that the fighting over immigration is about your first amendment.
And, and no protester.
No protester involved in any of this has killed an ice agent.
But ice agents have actually murdered people.
They shot a woman in the head and they shot a nurse that works in a veterans hospital who.
Well, what had been disarmed.
He wasn't armed.
He was shot and killed after they taken his gun off him.
So it's ice that's causing the violence. It's not the protesters.
And I think that a lot of people on the truck side, for example, think that, you know, violent crime in cities that Democrats run is rampant.
And it's not.
There's 18.
There's 18 states where there's more crime violent crime than the reason Washington or Oregon. And that's what they always talk about Seattle and, you know, and Texas, South Dakota, Alabama, Kansas, Louisiana, Arkansas, Oklahoma, and Alaska, all have higher crime.
And they're all violent crime rates.
Then Oregon or Washington and they're also good gun states. They're all, all of those are big gun states and they have the most violent crimes in cities, for example, was Memphis little rock and Baltimore.
They were way and Washington, DC, unfortunately, they were way ahead of the cities that are always pointed out in Minneapolis, Oregon and Washington. So again, it's the fallacy, but it's used to motivate people.
Fear is the greatest motivator in politics.
I mean, when we turn on the TV and you see what's going on in Portland, and then you read about, you know, the capital flight and the population flight.
And, you know, when you look at where where they're leaving and look at where they're going.
Where's it going?
They're going to go.
Where are they going?
Tennessee.
Where they from?
They're coming from California.
No, no, I mean, where's they going?
They're going to Florida, Texas.
They're going to Tennessee.
They've all got higher crime.
Texas has higher crime than those areas.
Florida has higher crime than those areas.
I mean, that's a game.
I'm not going to get in there today.
That's not a debate, sir.
That's a fact.
But let's move on.
I'm going to throw it back.
Okay.
California is bleeding money and people and they can't tax the whole shut.
The more that the people at the top leaves, the more they're piling on the taxes to fill the gap on the middle class.
Okay.
There it will soon.
It will soon implode California is not far from imploding.
Okay.
Let's move on though.
But let me also say that.
The president of the United States, which ridiculously calls climate change a hoax.
That's done more to the state of California than any of the factors you mentioned.
People are distressed and leaving in the economy.
They've been devastated by wildfires and.
What about all that money?
Where did it all go?
I know I didn't get any of it.
Did you get any green new deal money?
Green new deal money.
No, because that's not what the green new deal is about.
But let me tell you something as a farmer, sir, they just closed down the idiots at Doge.
Just closed down to be research center at in Bellsville.
So we know more B research on the East Coast.
And if you're a farmer, you know that bees are important.
And you probably also know that the worst year for B devastation was 2025.
The worst year we lost more bees in 2025 than we have in any other year where they've been keeping records.
And now these people because of their economic.
You know, because they don't understand.
Have saved $500 million by closing down that that facility,
but they're probably risking hundreds of billions of dollars in profit.
But let's move on to corruption.
Okay.
Because you see, when you and I talked yesterday, you seem to have a problem with corruption in the Bible administration.
But let me say this, Donald Trump has increased its family wealth five times over since he's been president, which is, which is illegal.
He's selling coins tonight for a despicable fight.
The White House lawn, how horrible.
And he sells memberships where he, he sent out a letter telling people that he would give them inside information.
And he's trying to contribute to his campaign.
He's tried to sell Bibles.
He's tried to all the things. Well, well, he's president of the United States.
They're all, they're all evolving.
You're evolving.
You're evolving into an anecdotal.
And okay.
They'll tell me.
Say it's true.
So let's we can.
Wait a second.
He's not selling coins.
He didn't sell Bibles.
He's not selling coins and he didn't sell memberships.
Those are all facts.
Okay.
That's not an anecdotal.
The Biden's didn't, the Biden's didn't sell any influence into Ukraine.
No, not anywhere.
Joe Biden, Joe Biden's not any richer than the day he was inaugurated.
He's not any richer.
Okay.
He didn't sell any.
All right.
What else?
What else would you like to talk about?
I'd like to talk about the $1 billion flesh fund that he set up to give money to people that
assaulted police officers.
What do you think of that?
You know, I'll go there.
I'd like to talk about that.
I don't know.
And why they didn't use the money.
To go after Brennan.
Homie.
Ray.
They did.
Then they didn't.
Go after those.
Every single one of them.
And jail for treacherous.
Now, look, none of them have done anything except stand up against Donald Trump.
And if you think Adam shipped, he's done something you tell me what that is.
Okay.
If that guy told me, did something, you tell me what it is.
He's probably a traitor.
Don Trump is a traitor, sir.
It's not this man.
Okay.
I told you that I thought that they should take that money and prosecute those people to the fullest extent of the law.
And doing that.
Make them room.
They're doing that.
They're doing that.
They're doing that.
They choose a K to call me case at a court.
They do it at a court.
Like all of Donald Trump's illegal election.
Things brought 70 cases lost in every one of them.
Okay.
I'm going to say that if you're a Republican judge, I'm going to say that.
I'm going to say that that's a Republican judge.
I'm going to say that he was a Republican judge.
I'm going to say that he appointed said that he was wrong.
So they are going after those people, sir.
And they're going after them.
Not because they've done anything to America.
They're going after them because they came after Donald Trump.
And Donald Trump has is a convicted fellow.
There was reasons to come after him.
He does take many different role.
assessed to the federal law.
And so I mean that all I'm making is I'm Not Right.
And it doesn't look like we're saying, like they don't feel that
our commitment.
We had Kerry mm,
I was my motherband of applause to the white boss because they look
one of the reasons Tulsi has left is because they wouldn't push it hard enough. The fact
she had to talk with fire. She didn't leave. She had the emails from Obama setting this
thing up and setting it in motion. And she did, but she's never shown that to anyone. She never
shown that to anyone. And she wasn't in leave. She was fired. But now it's getting a little
high. So Liberty Jones, jump in here with a brilliant question. Hi guys. You know, actually,
I think there's a caller that's waiting to be answered online. Steve, Steve, what's your question?
Correct. Interesting conversation. Thank you.
To be on the show. Hey, first and foremost, I want to wish the greatest president ever a very
happy idiot birthday today. Happy birthday. It's not
like it's not like it's not like it's a birthday.
It's a great president ever. And then I use something to say about it. I am a Hispanic.
I voted for Mr Trump. And I voted for Mr Trump because he stands for putting Americans first.
Has that been to do? No, it doesn't. No, stand for putting Americans on
leave. Steve. Go ahead. And that's an American's
appointment for a center about American.
Yes, they leave all you've been saying.
They're going to be first. Sir,
go ahead and try to speak.
Gentlemen speak, please, letting speak.
Yeah, you're right. I'm sorry. Go ahead.
Senator,
Oh, you're okay, Senator Brown. Senator Brown, you you want to come into the country?
Hey, the Italian, the Irish. There's a legal way to come and
close your eyes. Apply, apply, apply. And the story.
Well, that's true. I mean, but most of the people that are here came in illegally.
It's more likely that your ancestors came in illegally than it is that they came in legally.
Maybe they did mind did mind came through to a
I'm actually related to Mr Pico Rivera. He was the governor of California in the 1800s.
Well, there you go. And and and I mean, many people did come in legally.
And I agree with what you said. But many of them over the last 200 years have also just come in.
But but but you have a point and there's nothing wrong with legal immigration.
There's absolutely nothing wrong with it. And I think America.
Okay. And it's important to note that there are cases of
immigrations that have been legal where these citizens have still been deported.
Yes, sir.
Most most most people in the bar and marimba.
But we never know the full details behind a lot of these things.
And that's why.
Okay, just hold on.
We know the details between Mr Garcia of Maryland, who was deported.
And then the Trump administration said he was deported by accident.
Then once it became.
He wasn't a criminal. He wasn't a criminal.
They didn't say it was a criminal. They said it was by accident until it was discovered.
And then they started to say beat his wife and he did all these things,
even though his wife says she that's not true. So
liberty is right. There have been people that have come in legally that have been sent out.
But I don't think anybody's against legal immigration.
So that's a point well made. But.
Do you have anything else to say?
I got off.
Yeah, let me break up another point, Senator, but you guys have been mentioning about the
legal is not committing crime. I know the state that you live in.
Do you remember a person called Rachel Moran?
Another five killed by a seven or an man murder.
Yeah, we raped and a trail in Maryland.
The man had been deported three times and yet he still came under into this country under Biden.
You want to know five that was killed. You want to know why we can do it.
I know why he does. You know it's because it doesn't fit his narrative.
No, that's not true. I don't know because I can't know everything.
But this is what I know under the this is what I know.
Okay, because you want to talk about what an El Salvadorian did.
I want to tell you that good American citizens have killed dozens of children murdered them
with automatic weapons in mass shootings over a thousand this year and three good American
citizens tried to assassinate President Trump.
So it's not all about immigrants guys. It's exactly what I said.
They're not committing any crimes. Even though that's a horrible crime,
they're not committing any more crimes than Americans.
Do you know the last three guns shooting Senator Brown were done by transgenders?
I don't know that. I don't think that's true.
I know but I don't think that's true. You can't just say it.
You know, I can say it.
You know, to that way. Wait, do you know the last three breaks were committed by
arborist that live in Virginia? I mean, I could say that but unless you could
profit, give me well, give me one example. Give me one example of where transgender
is ever told to anyone. I've never even heard of that.
The Tennessee the Tennessee school that was one the Tennessee school.
No, this is like what Donald Trump does. He throws out some horrible statistic and people believe it.
Well, sir, you've been you you've been doing that since you got on the phone call. I mean,
yeah, except that if you want to know where the statistics come from,
so I can tell you. I'd like to button as well.
Yeah, please.
It is not true that all three of them were transgender. I know about the 22 year old transgender
22 year old transgender woman who was falsely claimed as being the shooter.
And I also know that Thomas Matthew Crooks was also identified as transgender.
But these was fake news. This was not true. If you research it, they were actually cisgender males.
I would like to comment and ask though he was transgender.
I would like to say so you have one transgender. You want to have an individual.
Brown, you're bringing up the second amendment.
Yes, the second amendment, which says get the gun to save the government.
And all you people are saying is to protect yourself from the government.
It's not what the second amendment is.
Mr Brown. Real quick, I spoke a little while ago and I think that I said something to the
effect that a lot of people in the United States that voted for Donald Trump did so
because there's just a lot less confusion. And I want to now,
now that's right.
And it's what the young lady just said because I can't keep up with this gender euphoric
policy that the Democrats, this DEI, it doesn't work for me.
I believe in two genders, male and female.
Do you guys not do that?
I just, there is so much violence around sexual orientation that I find it somewhat frightening.
And it makes me want to embrace my second amendment rights.
Because at some point, I think that the Democrats are trying to sow chaos.
They're trying to do it economically. They're trying to do it socially.
They're trying to do it in a way that they can take all power and put it in themselves
and take our property and collectivize it all and set up something not different than say
the Chinese communists are running. They're going to use facial recognition.
They're going to use their biometrics. And they are going to try to basically take over this country
by simply corrupting it morally, financially, and any other way they can do it.
Well guns won't help that will it?
If they take it over guns won't help it because I'm sure that you're a great guy,
but I'm going to put my trust in the Marine Corps. If we get invaded by the Chinese,
I'm not going to keep my trust in you and you're going to fight for chaos or they're going to
fight to get things straightened up.
Well, look, look, you're confusing something with the Democrats.
Well, Roger said almost 100 years ago that I belong to no organized political movement
on the Democrat and there's truth in that and there is a lot of chaos in the Democratic party,
but it's just because the Democratic party has a big tent. Republicans are much more alike
and they're bound by economic and social things and so are the Democrats, but there are more diverse
Republicans more alike. So yes, I can see where people think that Democrats are chaotic. Yeah,
you know, but it's because we fight with each other as much as we fight with the Republic.
But we're almost at time here, so I'm going to let Liberty ask you the next question and Steve
still wants us. Thanks for calling in and thank for your input. Go ahead, Liberty,
ask a brilliant question to take us off. Well, my last question of the night would have to be,
you know, as always, I think, first of all, thank you so much, guys, both of you for coming on tonight,
you know, I really appreciate these conversations. They expand my mind. They help me learn and I
think America has to have more of these conversations. My question to you is how all we want, all all
of us want is America to be strong and to be the land of the free that it has been for so long.
So how do you plan to lead this initiative? How can we reach a common ground where we don't have
to have hostility when dealing with these conversations, where we can truly live in a land of the free,
where all Americans are happy? Because I know that's what we all want.
Well, I think that another reason I think Trump, you know, does, I think that
the first thing we have to do is stop dividing ourselves into these little groups. And where,
you know, I can remember what I, as I grew up, that, you know, like being gay and queer back then,
what's much different than it is now? There's a certain violence to politics as the way it relates
to sexuality. And when the more little boxes that we create and put people in them and give them a
mouthpiece, then everybody wants to maintain that that feel that they want to die on. And then they
use it to make themselves lots of money becoming notoriety and whether it's some kind of media.
And so, you know, before that they're going to surrender to like giving up their stance or
being more flexible or anybody giving up something. They don't want to do that,
especially if they've turned it into a marketing ploy. So I think to understand America, we got
to figure out what it is. You know, it used to be that America meant all things. There was plenty
of space. If you came to our country and worked hard, mind your own business, prayed to the God
of your belief and followed your spiritual calling and kept your head low and stayed out of trouble.
You could have what's called the American dream. And that's no longer possible because everybody
is after your attention and your money, and I'm including children from a very early age,
and they're trying to get you in their pocket, whatever pocket that looks like. And it doesn't
allow you, Room, to have your own experiences and do have your own coming to Jesus, coming to awareness
moment, if you will, because everybody's in your face all the time, 24-7, and they want something
from you, and they want you to give them something, and they want you to be like them or do this thing.
And so the very first thing we need to do is turn our attention to our children
and get them the hell away from public schools. If you have any kind of a belief system,
I'm hoping that in the future that there's, you know, we can do a lot better than the Catholic
church, for instance. We have to save our children, and we have to save our children from the internet
and from the sexual exploitation of every single thing that you do in life. That's my thought.
Well, and I think that's a perfect way to end, and I hope that people really take into consideration
what Mr. Sheldon just said, because I think what Mr. Sheldon's saying is the sentiment that's
expressed by a lot of people. But let me point out a few things. If you're against the internet,
maybe you should get a president that communicates with people on a regular medium rather than
that. You can do better than that. You can do better than that.
Look, he's on Twitter all the time. Oh, I don't care.
President, you don't care about that. It doesn't, you don't care because that doesn't fit your
narrative. And that's the way it goes. But thank you, Mr. Sheldon, for being on by the way.
I never knew. The last thing I said, I never implicated any political party.
I did. So we got to watch out for a president, because that's that, too, is my only point.
And let me also point out that violence against gay people is much more extreme than violence
from gay people against anybody else. And all you have to do is look at the nightclub in Nevada,
which gets alike, all the things that have happened to gay people over the years.
And they're more out there in your face now, because when I was a kid, you didn't say you were gay.
You didn't, you didn't dare say you were gay. And I'm the father of an openly gay daughter.
So I want everybody to know that gay people are more peaceful than heterosexuals as a rule.
But we're going to leave it there. Thanks again, Mr. Sheldon. Thanks, Steve, for calling in.
Thank you, Liberty Jones, always. And tonight we're going to leave, we always play a song to play
us out. And tonight, here's one from the Beatles, because I want to say to Mr. Sheldon,
you don't need your A.R. 15 rifle. This is what you need. All you need is love by the Beatles.
We'll see you next week.
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