Speaker Identification

Speaker 1 - Daniel Goodwin, Host
Speaker 2 - Dr. Charles Hiltibidal, Co-host/Teacher

Speaker 1 - Daniel Goodwin, Host:
Welcome, everybody. Brother Goodwin here with Prophecy in the Spotlight. We have a show for you today, and we are calling this The Abrahamic Covenant.

I guess this kind of tags along with my new book, Is Israel Still Relevant Today? Sheri, put that up for us if you would. You can get that book at the website. It is out now, and everybody needs that book. I promise you, in this generation we are living in, Israel has become the trembling cup and the burdensome stone. People are turning on Israel faster than you can keep up with it.

Let me read a couple of verses for you in Genesis 12, and then we will get the program started today. We are going to talk about the Abrahamic Covenant, what it means, and the significance of it today. Doc has a CD or DVD set with a PowerPoint presentation. You will see some of the slides in today's program, but he tells me there are twice as many slides on the disc. He is going to go over the Abrahamic Covenant with us today and explain why Israel is relevant.

Let me read a couple of verses here in Genesis 12, and then we will get the show going.

“Now the Lord had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee.” He does not even know where he is going. God simply says, “Go, and I will show you.”

Verse 2 says, “And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing.”

Verse 3 says, “And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.”

All right. Get ready. We will be right back in just a moment with The Abrahamic Covenant. Stay tuned.

Speaker 1 - Daniel Goodwin, Host:
Welcome, everybody. We are glad to have you with us today. I appreciate every one of you who watches us week to week, and those of you who watch us on CTN television, VTN in Arkansas, Faith and Family, BBS Radio, and the different networks we are on.

We would love to hear from some of you folks who watch on these other networks so that we know somebody is out there. We would love for somebody to email us, call us, or text us and say, “Hey, I watch on BBS Radio,” or, “I am watching on Faith and Family,” or, “I watch VTN in Arkansas.” We would love to hear from you.

We sure appreciate all of you who support us financially and help keep us on these networks. We have been on CTN nationwide, on Dish and satellite, for six years this June. It is because you folks have given a lot of money to keep us on television, especially nationwide like we are. If it were not for you folks, we would not be on. Amen.

I have a new announcement for you: we are broke. We started broke, and we are still broke. It is month to month. The money comes in, and it is a miracle. Amen.

Doc, we have an important show today that kind of tags onto what we have been doing.

Speaker 2 - Dr. Charles Hiltibidal, Co-host/Teacher:
Yes. After what we just did, I think we did a show or two on your new book. That is when I got to thinking. I have a session that I teach in church, probably at least fifty different churches, and I thought this goes right along with it. It is actually the basis for it. I thought it would be great for us to share some of that with the folks.

Speaker 1 - Daniel Goodwin, Host:
Okay. I do not know if Sheri has the book up yet. Did you get the book up? There it is. Okay. There is the book, brand new. It is available now. It was 28 pages, and I think it is now 32 pages. We added a little bonus into the book, something else about Israel. It is on the website, and you can get it.

Sheri will put up your DVD, Doc. Let us get started here.

Speaker 2 - Dr. Charles Hiltibidal, Co-host/Teacher:
I want to talk about the Abrahamic Covenant. She can start our slides here, and we will walk through them.

The DVD or flash drive, whichever format a person would want this in, is close to an hour long. Not quite an hour, but close. Do we have a picture?

Speaker 1 - Daniel Goodwin, Host:
No, I did not bring one.

Speaker 2 - Dr. Charles Hiltibidal, Co-host/Teacher:
Okay. She is going to add it in.

Anyway, it is on the Abrahamic Covenant. The question is, is the Abrahamic Covenant still in force today? That is a great question. What we are going to talk about, I believe, is a very foundational truth. It is something that is more in-depth than just Abraham, his descendants, and Israel. I think the doctrinal issue is deeper and more connected than most people give it credit for. That is what I think we will try to discover today.

Let us get started, and I want you to chime in any time.

Speaker 1 - Daniel Goodwin, Host:
Let me make one statement here. I do not think the Bible comes out and uses the phrase “the Abrahamic Covenant.” I do not think that phrase is in the Bible.

Speaker 2 - Dr. Charles Hiltibidal, Co-host/Teacher:
No, I do not think that phrase is there, but the covenant is there. God made a covenant with Abraham.

Speaker 1 - Daniel Goodwin, Host:
That is right. He made a covenant with Abraham. Preachers call it the Abrahamic Covenant, just like we call it the Davidic Covenant.

Speaker 2 - Dr. Charles Hiltibidal, Co-host/Teacher:
Yes.

Speaker 1 - Daniel Goodwin, Host:
The Davidic Covenant has to do with the priestly line of the kings, right? All the way up to Christ?

Speaker 2 - Dr. Charles Hiltibidal, Co-host/Teacher:
Yes. There is more to it, and there are a lot of reasons for those different covenants. But the foundational covenant is the one we are going to look at. It really begins with the calling of Abraham, which you read a while ago.

It says, “The Lord had said unto Abram.” That tells me that before this happens in chapter 12, back in chapter 11, God had already spoken to him.

Can you imagine him walking in one day and saying, “Sarah, start packing. We are going to move”? She must have looked at him and said, “Have you lost your mind? What are you talking about?”

He might have said, “Well, the God I never knew before talked to me today,” because none of those false gods ever talked to anybody. She must have thought, “Oh, my.” Finally, she probably said, “Okay, where are we going?”

“I have no idea.”

I had this thought: she needed to know what to pack. “Do I pack my bathing suit? Do I need my winter clothes? Where are we going?”

“I do not know. He just said to go, and we are going to go where God takes us.” That is his life.

Abraham's life and journey are so much like the Christian journey. When you first got saved, you had no idea that you would be where you are today, doing what you are doing.

Speaker 1 - Daniel Goodwin, Host:
Nobody does.

Speaker 2 - Dr. Charles Hiltibidal, Co-host/Teacher:
Yes, but it is one step at a time. It is kind of like Eliezer, his head servant. He said, “I being in the way, the Lord led me.” That is what happens.

We will never get through if we do not get started with these slides. Put up that next slide if you would, the one you had a moment ago. The Abrahamic Covenant. The next one, I mean.

We need to understand that there are two covenants, or two types of covenant. In my presentation on the DVD or flash drive, all of these are animated, and I talk through them. Here, I just made these as a picture for that.

There are two types of covenant. A conditional covenant would be like, “I am going to do something, Dan, if you do something.” But an unconditional covenant means, “That is exactly what I am going to do. Period.” It has nothing to do with you.

I could say, “Dan, this is what I am going to do for you,” and I might or might not have the ability to do it. But if God made that promise to you, He has the ability to do it.

So we need to understand what kind of covenant is going to be made with Abraham.

Speaker 1 - Daniel Goodwin, Host:
Unconditional.

Speaker 2 - Dr. Charles Hiltibidal, Co-host/Teacher:
Unconditional. But look at the verse we just read a while ago. It begins with three conditions. He said, “Leave your country, your kindred, and your family.”

Well, Abraham left his country, but it was not long until he, his father, and his nephew were up in Haran. That is at the base of the Ararat Mountains. That is where their family came from at first. From there, when his father dies, he takes his nephew with him and makes a couple of stops all the way down into the Promised Land, not knowing that he was actually in the Promised Land yet.

Then he makes a trek over into Egypt and back. Did you realize that before God makes the Abrahamic Covenant that we are going to talk about, it has been almost 25 years?

I wonder how much, in the life of a believer, we may have missed out on God's best blessings because we would not put ourselves in the center of God's will.

Speaker 1 - Daniel Goodwin, Host:
That is a wonderful point.

Speaker 2 - Dr. Charles Hiltibidal, Co-host/Teacher:
Look at the next slide.

One of the things about a covenant, Dan - especially an unconditional covenant - is that God can broaden it and He can add to it, but He never, ever takes away from an unconditional covenant. The Bible says in Titus chapter 1 that God cannot lie. Man, I am glad.

Notice how it is tied to Titus 1. He said, “In hope of eternal life.” I am glad we know we have a God who cannot lie.

If God is going to make a covenant with Abraham, we need to understand, first of all, that this covenant is not just for Abraham. This covenant is for all the families of the world. Something is coming from this covenant that is going to have an effect on the rest of the world.

Notice our next slide. We will go through these because we do not have a lot of time to go through an hour's worth of material here.

Here is the problem: to understand the future, or even the present, you have to be able to accept the facts of the past.

Speaker 1 - Daniel Goodwin, Host:
I wish we could start right there, because my wheels are turning with that statement. We have to understand the past.

Speaker 2 - Dr. Charles Hiltibidal, Co-host/Teacher:
Exactly. That goes with that verse we use all the time. He tells you the end from the beginning. The Old Testament of our Bible is not done away with. It is fulfilled, but it is still there, and it is very important to understand where we are going.

You cannot really understand where you are, and you certainly cannot understand where you are going from here to there, if you do not know where you came from or what the past is. This is one of the reasons I am convinced, Dan, that many in our day do not understand that the Israel of today is the Israel from then.

Speaker 1 - Daniel Goodwin, Host:
Exactly. The Israel today is the same Israel. The names have been changed to protect the innocent, right? But it is the same geographical people. It is the same people group in the same geography.

Speaker 2 - Dr. Charles Hiltibidal, Co-host/Teacher:
Exactly. They have to be there in order for Daniel's seventieth week to be completed.

Speaker 1 - Daniel Goodwin, Host:
Let us go a little further. And Doc, we have all the time you want. We will do a second show on that.

Speaker 2 - Dr. Charles Hiltibidal, Co-host/Teacher:
I think we are probably going to need to.

Speaker 1 - Daniel Goodwin, Host:
I want to go back to that statement about understanding the past.

Listen, you will never understand the Nephilim thing that goes around unless you get a handle on the past.

Speaker 2 - Dr. Charles Hiltibidal, Co-host/Teacher:
Exactly right.

Speaker 1 - Daniel Goodwin, Host:
Genesis chapter 6 is crucial to understanding this thing where people think that angels came down and married human women, which is ridiculous. The internet is literally filled with all kinds of ideas around that. Many of them have production that looks like Hollywood put it out.

Every time I see one, I say, “Where is your Bible on that? Where did you get that? You did not get it out of the Scriptures.”

I got an email from a guy who was watching one of our shows, or maybe it was a livestream I did. He emailed me and said, “You are wrong about your King James-only thing. The King James had this book of Ezra, or Esther, or whatever it is - one of the Apocryphal books - and the King James people took that out.”

No. The King James people in 1611 put the Apocrypha in the middle because they knew it did not belong as part of the Bible. The texts that had been received all through the ages had none of that.

Speaker 2 - Dr. Charles Hiltibidal, Co-host/Teacher:
That is right. They put it in there for historical reasons, but then they took it out in the next printing because, I think, there was too much confusion.

Speaker 1 - Daniel Goodwin, Host:
Where they get all of this Genesis 6 stuff is not out of any of the books of the Apocrypha. They get it out of an extra book named after an individual in the Bible, with zero proof.

How could a book of that nature have quotations that are out of the New Testament in it if Enoch wrote it before any of it existed?

Speaker 2 - Dr. Charles Hiltibidal, Co-host/Teacher:
He dies before chapter 12 of Genesis.

Speaker 1 - Daniel Goodwin, Host:
That is right. He dies before the flood. It says in Jude that he prophesied.

I had another guy call me and say, “The Book of Enoch, of course, is mentioned in the book of Jude.”

I said, “Let us turn to that and look.” So I turned to Jude - it is one chapter - and I said, “It says Enoch prophesied. It does not say he wrote a book.”

It is obvious to me that Jude was referring to Enoch as being a preacher. It goes on to say that he prophesied about ten thousands of the saints coming. We know that God is the author of the Bible, so Enoch had to have had insight into the end times. But that does not mean any of this stuff about creatures and all the things that are being presented out there today.

In my books, I have written extensively on this. I think I have one of the most important books out there on this, and I say that humbly.

Speaker 2 - Dr. Charles Hiltibidal, Co-host/Teacher:
Very important. The things you have in there are very important.

Speaker 1 - Daniel Goodwin, Host:
One chapter - I stole Jim Jordan's title. Jim Jordan, back in the day when they were attacking Trump, said there are four irrefutable facts concerning Russiagate. I stole that statement, and I have four irrefutable facts about the fallen-angel stuff.

All of that goes back to what we are talking about today. If you do not have an understanding of the past that is biblical, you will not have an understanding of the present, and you certainly will not have a full understanding of the future.

Is that not why they are attacking history today? I am not a member of Mr. Biden's - I use that term lightly - but anyway, they were tearing down statues of war heroes and different people, even Abraham Lincoln and others. It is no different than when the Romans came in. What did they do? They destroyed everything they could in order to graft people into their culture.

So put that third slide up again if you would, Mrs. Goodwin. The next one. I have my numbers different because of that.

To understand the future, you have to have a handle on the past. No matter what subject it is, you have to have a proper understanding of the past.

Doc, if this is true about your favorite topic, redemption -

Speaker 2 - Dr. Charles Hiltibidal, Co-host/Teacher:
That is right. That is what this is all about, all the way back to Genesis 3.

God says, “Have you eaten of the fruit?” They say, “Yes, we ate it.” Of course, He asks, “Who told you that you were naked?”

He kills an animal - I believe it was a lamb; I could be wrong because it does not say what He killed - but He got skins and covered them with skins.

Speaker 1 - Daniel Goodwin, Host:
Absolutely. As a type of salvation, the redemption lamb that is coming.

Speaker 2 - Dr. Charles Hiltibidal, Co-host/Teacher:
Here is the thing. In my DVD on this, I explain that Genesis 3 is the seed of prophecy and the seed of the redemption prophecy. Chapter 12, and the calling of Abraham that we are looking at, is the germination of the seed.

What happens when the seed goes into the ground? When it germinates, the first thing a seed does is put a radical down. The root system begins to grow. Then after that, it begins putting a shoot out, and from that shoot comes the plant with the fruit.

That is exactly what this is. This is the germination point of redemption. He gave the seed of it in Genesis 3:15, and now it is germinated and begins to develop toward its purpose.

Notice the things here. He said, “A land that I will show thee.” “I will make thee a great nation.” “I will bless thee.” “I will make thy name great.” “I will bless them that bless thee.” “I will curse him that curseth thee.” And, indeed, God is saying, “I will do this; all the families of the earth shall be blessed.”

I put the “I will” in parentheses. Seven times, Dan.

Speaker 1 - Daniel Goodwin, Host:
Seven. That sounds like a perfect number.

Speaker 2 - Dr. Charles Hiltibidal, Co-host/Teacher:
Yes. God says, “This is what I am going to do.” That is what is going to make, in a few moments - if we do not get to it today, we will get to it in the next one.

Before you can understand Israel, you have to go back. You have to go back to the past. In this DVD, I walk you through all of this Abrahamic Covenant, and then I jump you forward to God's bringing them back into the land for today. We may not get to that today.

Speaker 1 - Daniel Goodwin, Host:
We will not.

Speaker 2 - Dr. Charles Hiltibidal, Co-host/Teacher:
But to understand Ezekiel 36, and God bringing them back into their land in Ezekiel 37, 38, and 39, you have to understand the purpose for all of this.

Speaker 1 - Daniel Goodwin, Host:
Again, I just cannot get past that statement you made. To understand Israel, you have to understand the past. You have to accept biblical history.

How many times did God bring them back into their land? There is one final bringing them back because it all revolves around God keeping His promise to Israel.

If you want to know what God feels about marriage, it is different today than it was in the Old Testament? No. We go back to the beginning. We will say God made one man and one woman for marriage. I do not care what John Roberts of the Supreme Court said. John Roberts was wrong. Marriage is between one man and one woman.

Speaker 2 - Dr. Charles Hiltibidal, Co-host/Teacher:
Exactly.

Speaker 1 - Daniel Goodwin, Host:
For a Bible believer, that is it. Even for someone who is not a Bible believer, it is still true.

Speaker 2 - Dr. Charles Hiltibidal, Co-host/Teacher:
This is why a lot of people's understanding of some parts of history, like what we are talking about, is skewed. They will not just take what God has said about it.

I can show people - and I do in my Seven Laws book - I have some sample Bible studies where I help them understand how to use the seven laws. I talk about biblical nakedness. If they would just let the Bible be its own dictionary -

Speaker 1 - Daniel Goodwin, Host:
Yes.

Speaker 2 - Dr. Charles Hiltibidal, Co-host/Teacher:
See, there is a difference between nakedness and nudity. Nudity is pretty plain, but with nakedness, you have to understand what the Bible means by nakedness. Nakedness is not always the same thing. That is just letting your Bible be its own dictionary.

I tell people all the time: your Bible is both your dictionary and your commentary.

Speaker 1 - Daniel Goodwin, Host:
If you let it speak for itself.

Speaker 2 - Dr. Charles Hiltibidal, Co-host/Teacher:
Yes. Let us look here at the next slide. God is going to make a promise, and the promise is going to extend now to include “a land that I will show thee.”

It says, “And the Lord said unto Abram” - now notice it - “after that Lot was separated from him.” That is a prepositional phrase stuck in there to explain something. It lets you know, remember, that in chapter 12, verses 1 and 2, God said, “I want you to leave your country, your kindred, and your family.”

Because God had said, “unto a land that I will show thee,” God intended to show it to him. But God could not show him the land that was going to be part of the Abrahamic Covenant until he satisfied the three conditions.

In reality, Genesis chapter 12, verses 1, 2, and 3, is not the Abrahamic Covenant. It is a test. It is the calling of Abraham, and it is a process of growth.

When you got saved, did you understand anything? Hardly. You just understood that you had done what the Bible said to do to be saved. The Spirit of God moves in, and you realize you are saved because the Bible says you are. But you did not know anything about baptism - not biblical baptism. You did not know anything about church. You did not know anything about eternal security and all these other things. All of that becomes a part of your life as you mature and grow in discipleship.

Abraham is in a growing process.

Notice again: “And the Lord said unto Abram, after that Lot was separated from him, Lift up now thine eyes.” He said, “I wanted to show you this 25 years ago, but here you are now. I want to show you. Look from the place where you are, northward, southward, eastward, and westward. For all the land which thou seest, to thee will I give it.”

Wait a minute. I thought the Abrahamic Covenant only applied to Abraham. No. “To thy seed.” For a little while? “Until the Old Testament ends?” No. In the original Hebrew: forever.

Look at the next slide.

This is the land that is promised to Abraham, and it will be the land of Israel in the millennial reign. I wish we could have shown the animation and the other slides that go with this. That is in the DVD, to give you an idea of how little of the Promised Land Israel has ever occupied.

The most they ever occupied was under Solomon. What they have today is not even as much as they had in David's day. A lot of this, to be fair, is because of their own sinfulness. They never took all the land under Joshua. Not all of it.

Here is the thing. In a recent conversation with my son - he is a deep thinker and a great preacher - he said, “Dad, do you realize that in order for Israel to have the land God promised them, they have to receive it, not take it?”

They are taking it. He said that if they would live like God had called them to live, God would honor what He said to them, and He would give it to them. But they are not going to have it until the third of the Jews that survive the Tribulation see Him as the one they pierced. That is when the millennial reign is going to happen, and they are going to have it. They are not going to have to take it. They are going to receive it.

Speaker 1 - Daniel Goodwin, Host:
Let me ask you this, and I know we are out of time. We always talk about the Antichrist, the covenant, in Daniel chapter 9.

Speaker 2 - Dr. Charles Hiltibidal, Co-host/Teacher:
Absolutely. Verse 27.

Speaker 1 - Daniel Goodwin, Host:
People think it is a peace treaty. You and I do not think that is it.

Speaker 2 - Dr. Charles Hiltibidal, Co-host/Teacher:
No. What does it call it? It does not call it a peace treaty. It might involve a peace deal, but he confirms the covenant.

Speaker 1 - Daniel Goodwin, Host:
Do you think it is possible that the Antichrist is saying what we just saw in that slide, that all that land actually is theirs?

Speaker 2 - Dr. Charles Hiltibidal, Co-host/Teacher:
I am here to tell you that I am convinced he is going to say - because he is going to declare himself to be God - he is going to say, “You Ishmaelites, the Arabs, God gave you all of this land through your father Abraham. To you Israelites, through Abraham, God gave you this land. Now everybody be happy with what God gave you.”

I am convinced.

Speaker 1 - Daniel Goodwin, Host:
Yes. It is the covenant.

Speaker 2 - Dr. Charles Hiltibidal, Co-host/Teacher:
The covenant that we are going to hopefully finish in the next session will show us that when God made a covenant, walking between the halves Himself, it all rested on what He had said. It is unconditional. This is what He is going to do. Period.

Speaker 1 - Daniel Goodwin, Host:
Well, I think we got through four of the slides. Maybe two, five, or six of them.

Speaker 2 - Dr. Charles Hiltibidal, Co-host/Teacher:
We got five. We got through five, and we have ten more to look at. I think it will be helpful.

Speaker 1 - Daniel Goodwin, Host:
I knew after we got going that you were not going to get through it because I had too many things I wanted you to hit on.

We will come back. We will have part two of this next week. Until then, keep your eyes on the skies.