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Well welcome to a rainy Monday here in Colorado. Chuck Barnell, Julie Hayden. The Chuck and Julie
Grassford show, truth straight up. That's right. Don't worry. A lot going on in Colorado.
I'm coming out. I don't have truth coming out and no thanks to the rhinos. I'm
especially the rhinos up in Well County. We've got Cody LeBlanc, a grassroots warrior
up there in Well County joining us. Fighting the good fight. Fighting the good fight. He
wrote a letter to catch up to speed. The chairman, 25 year old chairperson, the chairman of
the Well County Republican Party, Hunter Rivera, was arrested. That's right. He was a former
court mayor. I just say David DeBouis. And Mike Lynch, former minority leader. Lauren
Bobert supported. Basically he had the support and was shut down the throats once again of
the grassroots by the Well County rhinos. Well, he was arrested Friday and essentially
a child predator sting. He is accused of trying to solicit a child prostitute showing up to
meet the child prostitute. Only it was a bunch of cops. So that's the problem with the child
boss who just who would then arrested him. And all of these people are like, Oh my God,
oh my God. And now they're being used to the answer. Facebook saying, Don't blame us. It's
like, we're not blaming you. But number one, you shove this guy down our throats. You're
the one who made fun of Scott bottoms. And he said, Oh, guess what? There's a pedophile
ringing Colorado. You know, it's at all your disc conspiracy theory. But Cody and Mike
wrote a great letter to right. That's right. To the folks in Well County, kind of outlining
some of this. So yeah, so Cody, thank you for your time. And I guess he resigned Hunter
Rivera resigned after all of the rhinos that Oh my God, we're so shocked. But but you
make a really good point in your letter and say, you know, this didn't just come out of
nowhere. What do you mean by that? Well, so you've done a great job at highlighting that
Hunter was really shoved down the throats of all of us here in Well County. I mean, we
didn't have much choice with him. I want to just circle back to circa 2019 2020 timeframe.
Christie Melendez, the former mayor of Windsor, was running for a county commissioner seat at
the time. And that's where when Hunter really came about on to all of our radars, he had run
for mayor, I think his senior year of high school, he was 18 years old running for mayor and Windsor
to replace Christie. And at that point is when we found out that there were some skeletons in the
closet and I don't, again, I can't go into too many of those details just because they were never
proven and it's just here's a at this point. But there was credible evidence at the time and the
parent of another child that went to school with him had come forward and talked to other
candidates for Windsor mayor. And these people were all aware of the history and what had happened.
Again, what was shared privately was that there was a for lack of better terms at the very least
sexual harassment of a younger student, his senior year while he was also running for mayor in Windsor.
So while he may have only been 18 at the time, I'm not one to make excuses. Anybody use over the
age of 18 going after a child, there's that's problematic. And so that was that was clear. And
now we've seen this just continue. And the timing was just impeccable. Thursday night, I mean, it was
the debate between Scott Bottoms and Barb Kirkmeyer and No Show Victor. But during that, Barb
chastised Scott for saying that there was a child predator ring, even at the Capitol. And then not
even 24 hours later, you've got her former legislative aid. And let's clarify because you think you
mentioned a few. He was former legislative aid for Barb. He was former legislative aid for Lori Garcia
Sander, whose husband in conjunction with Barb Kirkmeyer is who can
accused me of committing election fraud in 2020. So I mean, you know, this rhino deep state goes
deep. They try to discredit anyone on our side, or on our side, just to help bolster theirs.
He ran the campaigns for Yasmin Navarro, our state board of education representative. He was actively
involved in gay Bevins campaign and Lauren Bober's campaign. He campaigned to be our chairman in
Weld County as being this great grassroots organizer and activist and volunteer. Well, if you look at
all of their tracer reports, he wasn't a volunteer, he was being paid by every last one of them. So
let's clarify there. But a national commitment for young Republicans. He was. Yes, and then his
most recent I'll have to find that. But he was working as the Colorado State Director for the
American conservationist consortium or something like that, the conservative conservationists. And so,
I mean, they were quick. They removed him from their website. They didn't erase the metadata.
I still was able to see that. But I mean, it's just, it's ridiculous. The number of circles that he
was able to be in, and in that organization that I just mentioned, that's where one where
Heidi Ganal was on the board. I don't know if she still is, where Corey Gardner is on the board.
And so, whether or not you're saying guilt by association, that's certainly not what I'm
saying or advocating for. But what I am advocating for is you have to vet people better. You have to
be able to trust that the people you are electing are going to have your best interest at heart.
Nobody in Weld County had that opportunity. They were told by the Kirkmire regime that you
must support Hunter. And what were they promised? And I think, and those are two key points. Number
one, the fact that you said the timing, all of these people, Barb Kirkmire included, have been
making fun of Scott Bottoms for talking about a pedophile child, a child, a child, a child,
predator situation going on, potentially involving people that stay careful. Well, hello, it looks
right. And it was her aid, right? And like you said, more on that, you know,
Freda Horn appointed him the executive committee and Eric Brothman said, I'm not going to have that
three. You know, the thing took them off, which is, you know, how can you take Hunter off? Well,
I think God, somebody had some discretion and Eric and obviously the Rita crowd,
her bread of cod, you know, as you said, the rumors about Hunter were not unknown.
And Hunter had an appearance, you know, when you see his mugshot, you'll go, my God, not him.
I can't believe it would be that good. No. Well, I think, and I first want to take a moment to
point out Cody has a per dead pedophiles don't re-offend. It's like, I don't know how you have
these appropriate t-shirts, but that's because I want to talk about this too. It's like, again,
because I my suspicion is having covered this kind of stuff when I was a reporter,
this is going to get worse. My suspicion is in cases like this, typically they find
pornography, child pornography on people's computers. Typically they find previous attempts to contact
or maybe previous context. It's not like, and you have to know. Right. Rodeo. It's not like you
just wake up and go to Yelp and look for, you know, best child prostitute, you know,
and no county, right? You have to know what you're doing. And there are other people involved
in that. Now, you know, we can quibble about the word ring, but clearly, you know, these sites,
they're not ones that they're on the dark web. They have forums. It's, you know, you don't just
like show up one day. And I think, yeah, maybe, I mean, I've talked to a lot of people and many,
like even grassroots people who said, no, they had no idea. And you don't, right? For the most,
not a pedophile, by the way. But the point is, is like you said, is if these rhinos,
they ran these people. I mean, we had Brita Horn is giving them a party way to Steve
Klunder for Pete's sakes. These rhinos of the grassroots people kind of say, Hey, wait a minute,
we just have a few questions here. It's like, you guys are being divisive. You're destroying the
party. It's like, you want the internet? Yeah, we're not the ones destroying the party.
We're not the ones soliciting child prostitutes. We're not the one running up $300,000 bills to
an attorney who was fired. We're not the ones that created the absolute worst state assembly,
which I was talking with interim chair Grossman over the weekend. And I was talking to him. And
I mean, that was truly a weaponized incompetence is the word that I phrased it. And I told Eric,
use that. It is frankly the phrase. I mean, they took Britas incompetence and weaponized it.
And this is a much deeper issue than just Weld County, just Colorado. I mean,
Brita didn't get her marching orders herself. I would say in my mind, the food chain goes,
Barb Kirk Myers, a little higher than Brita on their food chain. But all of their marching
orders come from somewhere else. And we can quibble about who that is. And hopefully,
one day, God will reveal who that actually is. But these rhinos and our overlords
that are just the deep state, they're the ones that are truly to blame here. And anyone who enables
them and refuses to stand up. I mean, you've got people like Natalie Tennant, who used to be a
conservative and actually fighting for people's rights. And now she still gets some of the credit
for that. But at the end of the day, she was one of three bonus members from Weld County that
still voted she had confidence in Brita Horn. I mean, you can't sit here and tell me that you're
not enabling this behavior and this culture of pay to play politics and whether that's
money that you're paying or your loyalty or your soul. And I'm cautiously going to share this
anecdote. But I was talking to someone over the weekend and they're not necessarily on the
conservative side of the party with me, but their comment and they were supporting Barb Kirkmeyer.
They said their initial thought was not Barb could never have known about this. Their original
thought was how long ago did Barb know about this? And what did she do to cover it up? Who did she
involved to cover it up? Because again, Hunter lives in Weld County. Yes, Windsor is split between
or between Weld and Laramor counties. But he's still in Weld County. Why wasn't it the Weld
County Sheriff's Office that caught him on his thing? I mean, that's the questions that people
are leading towards. And I'm sitting here going, you know, there's conspiracies around everything.
If you have a conspiracy that's good enough, people go on onto it. But at the end of the day,
so many of our conspiracy theories have been proven true over the last.
But yeah, well, I mean, and again, look at what, like you said, Britta Horne was weaponized in
confidence or just weaponized, right? She came out last week or two weeks ago and said she supports
jungle primaries. Well, that didn't happen overnight. Barb Kirkmeyer supports the jungle primaries too.
And which kind of goes to maybe who the puppet master is. But again, I think, you know, you see
these people on Facebook whining about, oh, don't blame us. Don't blame us. We didn't know. Well,
the point is, like you said, they eliminated and they squashed and they intimidated and they
they refused to listen to anybody who has any questions about anything, right? Like you said,
they still and face and light and face of the overwhelming weaponized in confidence of Britta
Horne, they still voted to support her, right? Rather than saying, you know, guys, maybe you
have a point. And same thing with Barb Kirkmeyer, you know, they're all whining about, don't blame
us and all these people are being mean to ask about it. Well, the question she should be saying
is, I want to get to the bottom of this. I am sorry that I attacked and made fun of Scott
Bottoms looks like he was right. And maybe I should join forces with him and try to find out,
did anything happen when when he was my legislative.
When you're a Kirkmeyer, an advantage, you never have to say you're sorry.
But yeah, I mean, those are the kinds of things they should be saying, rather than blaming
grassroots for saying, what's up? We're glem and me glem and us, you know, our good guy, yeah.
I mean, I got let me see, I've got a text message here that I received from a candidate in Weld
County and I'm not finding it right off the top. But when you see candidates going,
they never supported Hunter, this candidate. Quite a few others happened, but they never
supported Hunter, but at the end of the day, they hoped that they can count on their county
leadership to have their best interest. At the end of the day, if you're a pedophile,
I'm glad he's weeded out and I'm glad he was exposed. That is true. But if you're going to be a
pedophile and be in politics, please at least have the decency to wait until you're out of office
to become a pedophile. No, no to the wise, the only people who are soliciting for child
prostitutes online anymore are police. I mean, that, but you know, and again, it's like Barb
Kurtmer, their reaction is all it's about them, them, them. It's not about the damage they did to
the party because you make a point in your letter where you say, well, county should be one of the
most powerful guiding whites of conservative voices in Colorado. And instead, it's ruled ruthlessly
by these rhinos who viciously attack anyone who just disagrees with them.
Well, it all really it's back as Cody was kind of indicating some ways to 2019, 2020,
when Captain Murdoch came in and with millions of dollars on one of the many
United Campaigns, there's so many going every different way I've got the exact United she was
part of. But they threw out every grassroots conservative, they elected every rhino. And since
that time, it has been the leading rhino, I mean, far surpasses Denver in rhineness or bolder,
or anywhere else. And it gets county commissioners who who talk a perfect game. I've heard some of
the county commissioners, Steve Reims and that runner, and you would have thought he was the
most conservative person in the world. But that's not how they legislate. That's not how they run
well county. And anybody who's who's and they they know if if somebody gets their foot on the door,
that rock door could fall apart. Yeah, no, and that's where you look at 2020. I think that was
in somebody I'm sure will correct me if I'm wrong here. But I think that's when Dave Williams went
out of the house or maybe he was two or four years later. But I think that's when the nettles were
term limited, Laurie Sane was term limited. Perry Bach at the time was a conservative. I still
consider Perry a friend in a conservative, whether she makes the right choices all the time. I
but they were all down there fighting the good fight being actual conservatives. And then every
last one of them who had somebody and Vicki Marble, they had endorsed fantastic conservatives to take
their place. And how many of them actually made it through? The person running Pat Miller was
running for Laurie Sane's seat with her endorsement. She lost to Dan Wug. You had Rupert Parchment
running for Vicki Marble's Senate seat, who she lost to Barb Kirkmayer. I mean, just the list
goes on and on of what happened there. And that money was dumped in because of our open primaries.
They targeted unaffiliated voters to get them out in the primary to get the worst candidates
possible. Yeah, it's a Democrat, right? I mean, she's a Democrat. So she intentionally,
I mean, she openly and intentionally, we used to talk to Ted Trip, but the Democrats
were not too much. It was in the college Senate, came out to the whole Murdoch campaign, all the
millions she put in, all of a sudden in a Republican primary in a deep red state. You know, you have
John Caldera always saying, you know, you know, you know, we can, you can still have, and this was
years ago, you could still have conservatives winning in deep red thing. But we need to represent,
we have to have rhinos, moderates, reasonable people in these swing districts. Wrong. They're
going to take the conservative ones too. They were going to go, yeah, you guys know that. No,
you can't have that one. We'll, we'll season over and you'll get the Barbara Kirkmayer's,
you'll get the Dan Wug. You'll get them all. It's the left wing of our party. And I mean,
that to me is how, I mean, you call them a rhino when they start hissing. But so many of them have
openly admitted. I mean, that's the piece here, Hunter, circling back to why we're here. One of the
pieces that we tried to make sure people were aware of when he was running for chair last year
was he is an openly admitting moderate. I mean, you're in the most Republican county in the state
of Colorado, well, one of registered voters. And we're electing a moderate, somebody who's proud
to say that they're a moderate, somebody who's proud to admit that they're the left wing of our
party. And that's who weld county Republicans, the most conservative place in the state elected to
be their chairman. And no, nobody had any way to know who necessarily that he was a pedophile,
regardless of what had been shared with them. And but there were so many other red flags with him
that that should have prevented him from ever being our chairman. And we never should have
been in this position to begin with. Good point. If they had listened to the grassroots, right,
regardless of what people knew, it's like, hey, he's not just had a conservative. So that's,
that's going to further on once again, they resort to their typical vicious tactics of, you know,
we're being divisive. It's all I'm sure somehow Dave Williams would get blamed for this. You know,
it's like, it's all, you know, our fault. And they never take responsibility for anything.
No, none of them have come out and said, said, what the heck is Brida doing? They aren't saying that.
And even with this case, like I said, they're not asking the right questions. All they're doing
is complaining about grassroots people attacking them. They're not saying, you know, Scott Biden
said a point, Barb Kirchberg should be saying, like I said, I need to look into what might have
happened when he was here. I need to figure out how did this, how did we miss this? What can we do
next time to make sure that stuff like this doesn't happen? Because it doesn't, as you point out in
your letter, it doesn't just hurt well, County, it hurts. I mean, you should see some of the
Democrat sides. They're believable about this. Yeah. I mean, there's a Facebook page. I mean,
since, you know, they call all Republicans, Nazis. So instead of right watch, something,
it's Reichwatch. And I mean, it's a big national liberal garbage site. And they've gone to town
with it. And I mean, they used a great picture of Hunter and Lauren Bobert giving each other a hug
and a screenshot of Lauren Bobert proudly endorsing him. And I mean, truly for their, for their case,
I do feel bad for them that their reputations are now squandered.
I don't feel bad for them. Why would you feel bad for them?
I only feel bad because you can't choose who you associate with.
There's what the people who associate with do after you associate. And so, but for that reason,
I do have some willingness to say it's not guilt by association, but it is guilt for putting us
in this position to begin with. And as you said, they were worn on a number of levels about this
kind of a era. And it was kind of like, like you say, not clear who was pushing him or why all of
a sudden he's a young rising star, but he clearly was payment for him helping Barb Kirkmeyer and doing
and I know that it exists. And if I'm wrong, somebody else, you mean, that's fine. I'm good at being
sued. But somebody reminded me this past weekend that at our reorg, redo reorganization meeting
last spring after the rhinos refused to follow the rules. Hunter showed up wearing a shirt that
said property of Barb Kirkmeyer. And I mean, like, that's a picture. Yeah. And so we're trying to
find it because I know it exists and we know it was sent, but I can't seem to find it. But the
piece that I really want to hit on is that my email went out, I don't know, six, seven hours after
the news broke, the county sure they sent out an email calling for his resignation. I mean,
I sat in here calling for Hunter's resignation. Now is the bare minimum. The people who helped
create this mess should not be allowed to simply wash their hands of it and move on like nothing
happens that needs to be a turning point for World County GOP. And I'd add to that the entire
state GOP we're going into a state chair election in what a week and a half. It has to stop. We have
to get a good conservative elected to write the ship that has been so badly wronged, whether it's
by a child, a child prostitute seeking pedophile or a incompetently blonde spiky haired bimbo. I just
don't know how we can move forward until people wake up and they put aside their loyalties to Barb
and to other rhino leaders that just because they can get them a little bit of power in the future
doesn't mean that they should sacrifice the principles and the reputation of every other
good grassroots conservative God fearing American that's in our party. So any and you're right,
this is it's a much bigger you're right. It's and again and the rhinos because they had the
andchutes media industrial complex they had the Denver posters happy to see the Republicans look
bad. All they really care about is their own little piece personal piece of the pie and power. And
they I'm sure I'm sure Barb Kirkmark could care less that this week there's going to be a hearing
where the judge decides whether he's going to let Clinton to have all the money that's left in them
and then some and you know it's in the future in the party right. Barb Kirkmark has been silent on
that. You haven't heard from Lauren Bobert about any of that and there you know and this is my
theory some of them they're they want jungle primary so they're happy to see the party destroyed
and they want the assembly gone and that to me is why I use the term weaponized in confidence for
what Steve assembly was this year. They wanted it to be the most miserable experience the most
awful waste of time that anybody had ever witnessed and show the opportunities for fraud because they
were the ones committing it because they were not honest. It will show you how easy to fraud
watches. So utilizing that as an example that they can then turn around and say to people who are
new to the process or even the people who've been involved for years that are sick and tired of
all of the fighting to say well you know it'd be so much easier if we just get rid of that
altogether like we could just get rid of the assembly process go to a straight petition or go to a
jungle primary and use this as a way to leverage that and that's what I see them doing when you've
got people like Natalie Tennant who have so many followers that are Republicans but they are not
involved in the party to understand the aspects and so when they see somebody like her running her
silly never surrender page that is nothing but surrender and she's going around chanting death
to caucus and wearing shirts to assembly death to the assembly kill the caucus. I mean that kind of
stuff is why we're in this predicament. I think you're absolutely right there and again I think
if you're by a Kirk Meyer, Lauren Bobert I think you better be thinking a little bit more about your
position your statements here because as I said in my experiences as a reporter because you know
that Democrats are loving this this is going to get worse. You don't care you have to understand
a little chance and Democrats actually don't care who only cares it's a chem theories and
other ones who want to turn the process over to the billionaires. No no but what I mean though is
is the Democrats I mean the story is in westward it's all over the place right it's in west right
it's in west right it's in west. It's in west. It's in west. It's in west. It's in west. It's in
my point is the point of making though is there is going to be I suspect because typically in these
kind of cases are there's going to be more bad news coming out. Yeah I mean well I guess he appears
in court I think maybe Thursday at some point the arrest affidavit will be released at some point
but they call it the return of service on search warrant affidavit are released they'll be
you know they're could like I said you don't just typically in cases like this you don't just wake
up one day and say I think I'm gonna go find me a child prostitute right normally what a good day
there are steps all along the way. No and I know we're short on time and I've got to get running
here too but the one piece that I'd like to say here is there is definitely within the Republican
politics as well as the Democrat politics but there has been a culture in our country of
sex money and drugs across the board and that's been happening for so many years as conservatives
I mean that's something that we stand I mean yes that's great for prostitution or prostitution
yeah great for prostitution let's not do that great for procreation um money you need it to
move forward in the world and drugs uh let's leave those alone that should be our conservative values
and when you go to any of these young Republican events or um any I mean I started the teenage
Republicans years ago and we were invited to the young Republicans meetings well we were
teenagers their meetings were at breweries they were at bars they were at these kinds of places
and then as I got older and I attended them once I was over the age of 21 and I'd be at these
meetings it was always about drugs money and sex and I'm sitting here calling no Republicans
so a question where somebody doesn't just become a pedophile typically there's something in their
past that happens or that they were groomed to themselves and so I mean as much as he is a
victimizer now at some point he was likely a victim if that happened within the Republican
party politics we need to get to the bottom of that because we have to clean house every year
how do you become a mayor for you know a mayor candidate 17 or 18 yeah he got
induced to politics he meant mentors who are Republicans he didn't just go to his fellow
11th grade classmates no I mean look look who brought him up look who sponsored him
look who promoted and you'll if he was victimized rest assured somewhere in that circle would be the
person who victimized him hey Cody I know I mean appreciate your time why no we have to let you go
okay well I appreciate you having me on and for you and your listeners if you'll keep my
grandmother in your prayers she should be transitioning to heaven here in the next few
hours today or two and so we're in our final few minutes with her so I'm going to get back out
and go spend some time with you now thank you thank you you have a wonderful afternoon all right
thanks Cody you know and that's a oh okay Thomas says saying he has his prayers too
and this is from Jacob and the future Republican should stay away from men named hunter like
underbiting to the democrats um it's pretty momentarily we're going to have ash upcoming I
don't talk about Tina Peters but but I think you know again and we'll have just let you know we'll
have Scott bottoms on on Wednesday but I think these people rather than Barb Kirkmayer saying
quit blaming me and everyone's being mean to me she should be saying you know I was I was pretty
mean just got bottoms when I was calling him a conspiracy theorist and all of this and
expect that one coming yeah well exactly you know no I don't think enough talk to people that Scott
was not directly referring to hunter Rivera he didn't have direct knowledge of anything like that
but he was definitely he says very clear cut he's been working with the FBI um there were people
whistleblowers have come forward talking about a pedophile ring and you know use the word ring
I don't think Scott meant that there's a group of people who meet at four o'clock at a secret
location on Fridays and you know abused children but when you look at the kind of thing that goes
into these dark websites the app somebody's got to find the channel prostitute they've got a
promoter they've got to put up these secret websites somebody runs the forum you know what I mean
if there's an organization to it um and I think that's and we'll talk about it Friday but that's my
thing that's what he meant and for them to just rather than say you know I wonder
my god that's terrible maybe we should look into that instead they're just like they just mocked him
um for saying the whole thing and it's just it's just again they're not asking the right
questions Barb Kirkmeyer should be saying how could this happen I need to make sure that nothing
happened you know on my watch you know sure well yeah but I mean that's a kind of question
promoting him and he's been promoting her ever since you know for three quarters of a decade
you know the rumors about Hunter were well known um and it's it's kind of like oh well I'm shocked
you know when you know I'm whatever I thought it right kind of they're well finally that's the
reaction people I get from Will County and including Cody and I got yeah yeah he had that reputation
maybe he was going to see it then once again blaming grassroots they should be maybe trying
to fix stuff then I see we have Ash now Ash if you want to go ahead and um and unmute yourself
Ash app who is just done I mean she I saw you on act saying I'm hearing Tina is going to get
clemency today and like moments later and then Ash had the most time you just must have you know
some kind of investigative citizen journalist guardian angel sitting in your shoulder you'd
already scheduled an interview with Tina um so first off welcome to the show um why don't you
and I'll just let you explain it because you do so well um explain what happened what what what
um holo says clemency means and what's going to happen sure so he grained he gave her a grant of
clemency through which he cut her sentence in half effectively and made her eligible for parole on
June 1st and granted parole what happens next is the conditions terms and conditions set by the
parole board um we don't know what they will be I was looking at the statutes yesterday it appears
that they have pretty broad discretion I don't know Chuck if you have any more insight into that but
they have quite a bit of discretion in terms of the conditions that they can set on her so there's a
little bit of anxiety around that um but it's uh she is my understanding she can get out either on
June 1st right before right after it'll there will be a whole uh set of decisions that are made
that aren't made yet things we don't know uh is is where that falls but um I did get the chance to
to hug Tina and to you know spend time with her I spent two and a half hours with her talked
about a lot of different things um she's in better spirits I had spoken with her right before
Mother's Day and she was pretty down and I was I was concerned about her you know Mother's Day is
always hard for Tina and being in prison I imagine makes it even worse so more so so um yeah but
she was in uh she was in relatively good spirits and um she's she's anxious to get out and get back
to work she wants to focus on election integrity focus on prison reform new cause for her based on
her experiences inside and she's ready to tell her story you know and I'm like that's to clarify a
couple things so because I've seen some people have been confused and say well what if the parole
board doesn't grant parole that's not an option she gets well but but but you have to understand they
can set the conditions and if the person refuses to do it there's no parole so it's equivalent of
playing in the block it they have unfettered and if if you could go to judge um Barrett uh and uh
have him say whether the conditions are fair or not you can go to the Colorado courts well no you
can't really appear at election rallies where their elections are not I mean you know you you've
got a parole board that it's far left and they do not kind of go I'll just do whatever you want
come on no they'll be they'll take another you know pound a flush out yeah that is that is the
concern specifically around the First Amendment that they're going to gag her in some way around
her speech and assembly and association so we'll see what happens I did um emerald robinson's show
on lindell tv today and her attorney tina's attorney peter tiktin was on before um me and she
emerald asked him are we concerned that there's going to be are they going to mess with her in
these kinds of ways and he seemed to think no so okay well I guess I could disagree with him
there's a reason why why it's a two-step process um in Colorado and unlike a presidential part when
you get a presidential pardon you get a pardon you don't know but you have to do this but you have
to do that and there's a reason for the butts it gives them more control over the person um and
you know they're limited only in the sense of outrage if people are outraged what they have
to say but you got half the state I'd say maybe more than half the state uh you're going to have
a congressional democratic any calling from peachman or polis well let's talk about a little bit
and first actually i want to go happy and then we'll go even happier to talk even happier talking
about the dem's meltdown but i want to hear about because i know you're going to be writing about
this and i know probably you can't talk too much but um that's out the side of the fact that
this is this is a massive win for tita this is i mean and what is what does she have to say i mean
what you were talking about she's already thinking about okay here's what i want to have to eat i
mean yeah so so i mean it is i think it is a massive win um it's important to realize they are
still appealing her criminal conviction so this this grant of clemency does not uh it says uh shall
in shall not in any way affect the underlying criminal conviction you can read the grant of
clemency you can read tina peters statement you can read all of the um responses from the democrats
or the the prominent ones that we follow right jenna matt fell um on my sub stack ash in america
dot sub stack dot com but they are still planning to appeal the criminal conviction and i believe
also the presidential pardon so the decision to not honor the presidential pardon so there so
peter tikton and john case and the team are still pursuing so so this is you know gets gets her out
of prison now the parole board as chuck said has has the discretion to grant whatever terms and
conditions even so she is a felon right can't run for office and and has all the things that go
with that so they are still pursuing for um the appeal the appellate process to have the conviction
overturned so that's one thing that's important to note she did um mention a number of priorities
for herself her number one priority is to see her 97 year old mother she misses her very much she
is very concerned about her and she that's that's step one when she gets out the second step uh or
the the second priority for her is to reclaim her health so she is in um you know not not terrible
health but not great health and the food inside doesn't help um you know it's all she said it's
sodium or sugar everything is sodium or sugar there's no uh there's no fresh food there's no
vegetables there's no sometimes we get apples and bananas um but for the most part so so her uh
her second step is to um have rebuilt rebuild her muscle mass get good sleep and get good high
quality food and water into her body what she wants is a big thick juicy steak and a salad with real
tomatoes and avocado and then her third priority is that she wants to see her dog minka um minka
went viral last week when uh her team posted a picture of her talking about missing her mom
tina is very excited to see her dog minka is her her doberman pincer and um she's very excited to
see her but she does not want to see her until she can be absolutely certain that she will not leave
her again that she might be thrown back in there yeah so well and again you know it's not
the entire life the terms of parole go through advocacy and in its own way i think that that's
so touching ash because it talks about how the system tries to destroy you that this is do you
know what i mean that she has the most simple basic wishes right now do you know what i mean that
that's that you what that we would take for granted right and that she hasn't even been able to have
that i mean just that the complete travesty but let's talk about the happier thing and that is how
the like mad cray gendered grizzled that she's like that's a republing of joy and i know who are
who are like who are like oh my god i mean so let's keep it my polis also granted pardons clemency
etc and all kinds of other people murk okay that's cool we love her that's cool we don't care about
that but my god is releasing tina feeders early this this is a surprise to me this part of the
story is a surprise to me that the dsa is the one driving the recall the impeachment all of the
hysterics around this because this is the dsa i don't know if i've talked about this on your show
before but they are challenging the democrat establishment this term in a way that needs to be
done and that from an the way the america first esta has challenged the republican establishment
we can't affect the democrat side of things right but the dsa it was has been in there like a wrecking
ball now i have said since december that i think that the way that tina peters is going to get out
is that jared polis is going to pardon her or commute her sentence and i think that because
i think he's running for office and when he when he runs for office he becomes a little britarian
right like that's his pattern of behavior is all of a sudden he's very measured in middle of the road
and you know kind of liberty-minded and he started using some of that rhetoric late last year not
necessarily about tina peters but about certain things and i think that he's running now is he
maybe he's going to be appointed to michael benet senate seat maybe he's going to run for president
i i personally think he's running for president with the intention of getting the vp
nod that would be a good idea because you know i forget what percentage of vp's end up becoming
president but it's not inconsequential right and so and and if he can appeal there are plenty of the
far lefters out there but if he can appeal to being a you know it's a passionate reasonable
repair in you know the other side and and you know the dia you know the far left will probably
get gavin new some or whoever they really want yeah so i think it's it's a it's a good move by
by polis and i think it makes a lot of sense for me doesn't care that the dsa wants to attack
him let me let me let me let me finish my theory here because i in order for him to run for nation
wide office in order for him to be to have appeal to voters nationwide he has a lot of rehab to do
on his image he he is the he is everything in colorado that made colorado a national meme has
been done under not everything but you know the most recent stretch has been done under his
watch and he's got it he's got to clean some of that up and give people a new story to resonate
with before he goes into a nationwide campaign that means as i said in december it's going he's
going to disappoint his party a lot this year now what i didn't expect is that and the reason that
he would disappoint his party is so that he could say listen i stood up to my party i was super brave
i stood up to the dsa you guys are concerned about mom donnie i stood up to the dsa the dsa is
handing him that right now they are helping him get there and that part of this is surprising to me
well his real name isn't Jared Polis so i talk about a guy who can change uh his spots pretty
quickly uh he's the person who can do it and with the mainstream press willing to play along i'm
sure etc well i listened to you on saturday and peter oil show and i congratulated peter on
on uh his recovering wealth and his surgery today um on happening along is a different voice i mean
you know the the other other uh three and a half hours i was throwing up but having you on
with doing it really like an infinity well we are we always argue but i i think we both have fun
so no you both have fun again and what's so great about this one peter takes everything from his
wrestling days when he is a announcer and i'm never sure exactly what his exact title was but
and he says you know you got to be a heel or a face and and you know he's been on radio a long
time where he's in both a heel at times and a face at other times he was the most wonderful heel
uh during your interview he was disgusting he had going in the last and it's a jail it's a jail
you know who cares about people once they're in that place it's not supposed to be pleasant
he could have been a gower for poppy on on devil's island he was just he was just so
it isly awful so haloable that that i just kind of want that's the greatest heel i've ever seen
because you know people hate him already for tina peter's but after giggling and laughing and kind
of going to every good point you made it it's a jail it's a jail it was a wonderful effort
at big end of those hated person on radio oh boy um yeah i mean i i had i had a good discussion
with him i um i i think that there are problems in our prisons and there are activist groups that
have been trying to get attention and spotlight on this and make change now they're leftist groups
right and a lot of the prisoners that they cheer for getting out are people that we all
probably think should stay in but the the standards have to be what matters and if we're talking about
you know human rights civil rights you don't abandon human rights when the state decides to
punish you that doesn't mean that you have no rights any longer like the right to breathe air free of
black mold or the right to eat food that isn't poisoned and i think we're going to be hearing a lot more
about that angle of things from tina peter's it is a every time that i've spoken to her on the
phone so i spoke to her three or four times before i went and saw her and then when i saw her
every single time she's bringing up the conditions and it's not just about herself i think she's a
particular focus on elderly prisoners and the needs that they have and and and things in that vane
but she has a a i mean it's almost like you know an investigative body of uh knowledge from from
her front row seat inside those leftist groups have you know kind of signed on to her positions
in a lot of ways and don't forget that there is a federal investigation into the colorado
department of corrections so i think we're going to hear a lot more about it and i look forward
to arguing with peter about it more he can bring out his giggling laughing heel side
to debate you and what's interesting too and i know just a couple points and i'll let you go
but what's interesting is the whole you know i mean a few years ago at this time
we would our show would be banned for even talking about tina peters right hi dagan
all what told me she couldn't even talk about tina peters because her her donor said that's a
toxic thing and now you know it's in right came out in voice the times have changed and the whole
thing people say election denier that's just a joke anymore it's like you're the election deniers
anymore right you're seeing federal investigations in georgia in arizona the trump administration is
doing all kinds of things about election integrity and the whole trying to just say
oh tina peters election denier the 90 percent of the people don't buy that anymore because we all
know of the past few years every single conspiracy theory has proven to be not only true but worse
than we even imagined yeah i was so i'll say this and i'm you know always kind of the the odd man out
the black sheep of all of the different factions but i have embraced it i don't believe so i went
to federal court and had to defend being an an election denier and proved and is is the you know
the finding that it is election denialism as it is defined by the left is not dangerous it is
speech and it's protected speech it's a protected position to hold you cannot put a
content-based restriction on the first amendment so last week i don't know if you guys saw this the
atlantic came out with an article entitled the election deniers are winning and that's my new
favorite response meme anytime anyone is complaining is i just drop that headline
screen grab of the atlantic and that headline in the chat i think we are winning and here's the
thing i've embraced it because i actually don't believe we have elections i think we have selection
theater in our democracy and that with through fake voters fake ballots and fake counts we cannot
verify the accuracy of elections and determine whether or not the the election
is the is representative of the will of the people so if it's not and even if we just can't
verify that it is then we don't have elections so i'm perfectly fine with it they can call me an
election denier all day long they can sue me for it bring me to court and i'll win again
okay because because the uh you said it's not dangerous it's incredibly dangerous
ever since post-civil war whether it's the crooked elections down south of jim crow
all democrats were the crooked elections in boston in new york boss tweed in chicago
for 150 years more that now democrats have been ringing elections and republicans have had
the barber kirk maras and everyone else the jimmy second burger is saying we've got the gold standard
here we love melon ballads and so forth um if finally you can awake with the incredibly
obtuse republican voter that no they've stolen everything from you um and they've done it
with deliverance and just beneath the surface and what the people who have tolerated hunter
ravira have tolerated the Colorado system that has cheated their way to a democracy leading and
i don't know these days quite frankly i have a totally honest election year to have a republican
winning but they would have a chance to win and they no longer have that chance not withstanding
what what what the what the moderate republicans mantra is yeah so i i should have been more specific
it's not a danger to the republic it's absolutely dangerous to this our democracy corrupted
public private system of government that we've been living under and we're that's what we're
dismantling in the second trump administration i think there's ample evidence of that i'll say
one more thing you mentioned uh senator kirkmeyer she's having a rough week huh so she's been she's
been scott bottoms biggest critic on the manner of pedophiles in the state house and it turns out
that that she had one as a staffer and she's also been the the most vocal of saying well i've never
seen widespread corruption in colorado just mismanagement we're just mismanaging things and then this
you know cherry creek sixty five thousand dollar uh boondoggle in brazil story comes out so
she's having a rough week she's maybe she should uh should do some more research on the facts
so her her and low and forward are are fine president trump
and she yeah that's i think that's president trump be in the heel to be honest with you
that is yes that is yeah yes jacob has said here you're here because hero you're all of our
thanks jacob so thank you for your time thank you for the great work can't wait to see
your stuff coming out about jina how thanks so much and it was great to see you guys
uh the other night and julie we still have to get wine exactly always wine always wine always
wine bye guys see you later hey and that will wrap it up for us today um just remind all
have Scott Bottoms on wednesday um so glad everybody and so thank you to guys at bps we'll see you then