Chuck and Julie Show, August 3, 2026
Chuck And Julie Show with Chuck Bonniwell and Julie Hayden
Media Trust, Colorado’s Political Crossroads, COVID Accountability, and the Politics of Trust
Chuck Bonniwell and Julie Hayden examine newly discussed Fauci records, RFK Jr.’s exchange with Dana Bash, media and pharmaceutical influence, COVID-response accountability, listener concerns, Colorado politics, election integrity, jungle primaries, and the growing cultural debate around Caitlin Clark and the WNBA.
RFK Jr. destroys CNN “parrot” Dana Bash over the media’s shameful role in the COVID Scam.
Chuck and Julie Open With “Truth Straight Up”
In this episode of The Chuck and Julie Show, Chuck Bonniwell and Julie Hayden open with their trademark “truth straight up” format and immediately focus on newly discussed records connected to Dr. Anthony Fauci. The corrected transcript identifies Chuck and Julie as hosts, Jacob and Johnnie as listener participants, and notes that political, medical, legal, and election-related statements are preserved as speaker statements rather than independently verified claims.
Fauci Records, RFK Jr., and the Dana Bash Interview
Julie and Chuck argue that the records show Fauci knew more than he publicly acknowledged about COVID mortality, vaccines, masks, lockdowns, social distancing, and transmission. They discuss RFK Jr.’s CNN interview with Dana Bash, describing it as a moment where RFK Jr. challenged the media’s COVID-era assumptions and accused the press of failing its duty of skepticism. The hosts frame Dana Bash as unprepared for RFK Jr.’s depth of knowledge and argue that the interview exposed broader media failures around COVID coverage, public-health messaging, censorship, and pharmaceutical influence.
Media Narratives, Pharmaceutical Advertising, and COVID Skepticism
The hosts continue by criticizing how legacy media handled COVID dissent, saying that stories were first ignored, then attacked as “misinformation” when they gained traction. They discuss Denver’s Channel 7/ABC coverage, pharmaceutical advertising, hydroxychloroquine, vaccine messaging, and what they see as shifting public confidence in new shots. Julie shares a personal example from a school physical where her family declined several shots and the doctor said the office no longer carried the COVID shot. Chuck then suggests that pharmaceutical advertising may function less as direct product marketing and more as a way to influence networks and protect preferred narratives.
Listener Participation: Jacob and Johnnie Join the Conversation
After Julie leaves to pick up Rev, Chuck opens the program more fully to listeners. Jacob joins the discussion with his own concerns about COVID shots, pharmaceutical advertising, and vaccine mandates, including a reference to a Blue Cross Blue Shield of Michigan case involving employees and settlements. Johnnie shares a personal story about medication he says contributed to his blindness and connects that experience to distrust of medical authority and government messaging. Chuck responds by recalling public encounters involving Fauci, Washington, D.C. Mayor Muriel Bowser, and skeptical citizens who challenged official vaccine narratives.
Blackmail, Human Nature, and Political Distrust
Johnnie asks whether powerful people may be pressured by embarrassing information or blackmail, prompting Chuck to discuss the idea that Washington operates through mutual leverage and hidden knowledge. Chuck connects this to declining public trust in government, media, and political institutions. The conversation broadens into a darker reflection on human nature, corruption, and the way people create political myths about their own side being pure. Chuck argues that both parties have serious problems, though he focuses especially on what he sees as the Democratic Party’s weak bench and dependence on anti-Trump messaging rather than an attractive political vision.
Colorado Politics, Republican Turnout, and Jungle Primaries
Jacob then asks about Republican complicity, campaign volunteers, and voter follow-through. Chuck responds by describing Republicans as less reliable in lower-turnout races, while Democrats tend to bank votes early through mail ballots. The conversation shifts into Colorado politics, including jungle primaries, wealthy interests, county-party participation, Victor Marx, Greg Lopez, Kyle Clark, the governor’s race, and Mark Beasley’s low name recognition as a Republican U.S. Senate candidate. Chuck argues that jungle primaries sound inclusive but would reduce real grassroots participation by allowing wealthy interests to shape the candidate field.
Election Integrity, the WNBA, and Closing Caller Roundtable
Near the end of the episode, Chuck says a strong election-integrity law such as the SAVE Act, with voter-eligibility requirements and paper-ballot safeguards, could change Colorado’s political landscape. The show then takes a cultural turn into the WNBA, Sophie Cunningham, Caitlin Clark, and the way fan attention and league politics have made the sport more revealing and more interesting. Chuck thanks Jacob and Johnnie for joining, says the caller-driven format was fun, and closes by inviting a similar open-listener conversation in the future before signing off until Wednesday.
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Speaker Identification
Speaker 1 - Chuck Bonniwell, Co-host
Speaker 2 - Julie Hayden, Co-host
Speaker 3 - Jacob, Listener participant
Speaker 4 - Johnnie, Listener participant
Audio Clip - Quoted/played broadcast material discussed during the program
Program Announcer - Opening introduction
Program Announcer:
Chuck and Julie bring you truth straight up. An Emmy-winning former investigative reporter, a highly successful trial attorney, and publisher of a major Denver-area newspaper have been partners as talk-show hosts and in marriage for more than ten years, providing thought-provoking information, opinion, and entertainment - live, local, and interactive. Everyone's voice is always welcome. This is The Chuck and Julie Show.
Speaker 1 - Chuck Bonniwell:
Good afternoon, everyone. Chuck Bonniwell and Julie Hayden here on The Chuck and Julie Show. Truth straight up.
Speaker 2 - Julie Hayden:
Truth straight up, and the truth is actually coming out now, thanks to Dr. Fauci and the diary - although, to be clear, it is not really a diary. Nobody raided Dr. Fauci's house like they did with Melania and Barron Trump. It was a government log left on his work computer.
Speaker 1 - Chuck Bonniwell:
Right. It was a government log, and Jeff C. found it. The fallout continues, and one of the biggest things we have learned is what we suspected all along: Fauci lied. He knew he was lying, and he conspired with media, social-media organizations, and the Biden government to silence, censor, and essentially destroy anyone who raised objections.
Speaker 2 - Julie Hayden:
There were some extraordinary exchanges over the weekend when RFK Jr. went on CNN with Dana Bash. Dana Bash is about as left as you get on CNN. Her former husband was, as I understand it, a CIA staff person and a Democratic operative. One would think that might be a conflict of interest, but not for CNN.
Speaker 1 - Chuck Bonniwell:
It was extraordinary to listen to RFK Jr., who clearly knows what he is talking about. You may agree or disagree with him, but he is not just spouting off. He has a depth of knowledge. Dana Bash looked like she had been prepared by the pharmaceutical-company advertisers and was there with her lines. In the end, I think she got TKO'd.
Speaker 2 - Julie Hayden:
The way this works is that if the right has a story the left hates, the first tactic is to pretend it does not exist. Years ago, if it was not in The New York Times, it was not news. They could kill almost any story by refusing to cover it. Then, with stories like Swift Boat Veterans and later social media, news could get out in other ways.
Speaker 1 - Chuck Bonniwell:
When ignoring the story does not work, they go on the attack. And no matter what the subject is - whether the sky is blue, how the Broncos will be this season, or anything else - the answer is always Trump. It is Trump's fault. What about Trump? Dana Bash did the same thing. But they are getting slaughtered, because now they have to fight back and they are losing the argument.
Speaker 2 - Julie Hayden:
What we now know is that even Dr. Fauci did not believe the things he was telling the public. We also know about the fawning media coverage and the corrupt ties between the media and Dr. Fauci. They are still trying to push the same narrative.
Speaker 1 - Chuck Bonniwell:
Some Democrats on the committee did not even show up. The ones who did, like Richard Blumenthal from Connecticut, were just praising Dr. Fauci. But the records show that Fauci privately understood the mortality rate was not what he was publicly implying. He knew the vaccines did not prevent infection or transmission the way they were sold. He knew masks, social distancing, and lockdowns did not work as advertised. He knew these things and pushed them anyway.
Speaker 2 - Julie Hayden:
People saw much of this in real time. Nobody was saying, "I think the vaccine works," because then the story changed. It went from preventing infection and transmission to lessening symptoms. That is hard to measure when some people were very sick, some died, and some only had sniffles.
Speaker 1 - Chuck Bonniwell:
So they make up statistics and studies. The measures were worthless. COVID was, in many ways, like a very bad flu season - a really bad one - but the response was created and pushed by people who wanted power and compliance.
Speaker 2 - Julie Hayden:
We have some sound bites. In the first one, RFK Jr. challenges Dana Bash directly.
Audio Clip - RFK Jr. and Dana Bash:
RFK Jr. says his job is to tell the truth and that study after study exists on the subject. Dana Bash pushes back. RFK Jr. asks whether she is simply repeating what experts told her, pointing to COVID as an example where the public was told to trust experts who, in his view, were wrong about masks, social distancing, natural immunity, transmission, and the source of COVID.
Speaker 1 - Chuck Bonniwell:
Instead of studying, she falls back on saying that talking to people is her job. He points out that what the media did during COVID and continues to do with vaccines is push what pharmaceutical advertisers want them to push.
Speaker 2 - Julie Hayden:
There is another point where he takes her to task for the media's failure. He says the press had a duty of fierce skepticism. The media did not just fail to do that - they were complicit in pushing things they knew were wrong.
Audio Clip - RFK Jr. and Dana Bash:
RFK Jr. says the first obligation is to protect constitutional rights, and that during COVID the country dismantled those rights and censored people. Dana Bash tries to move the discussion toward preventing the next public-health crisis. RFK Jr. responds that suppressing rights was one of the biggest mistakes of the last crisis, and that doctors who disagreed were marginalized and vilified. He calls it press malpractice and says the media's job is fierce skepticism toward authority.
Speaker 1 - Chuck Bonniwell:
She was flustered. She wanted to move on because she had been backed into a corner. The problem is that even in her own mind, she probably knows it did not work. She may not care, and the pharmaceutical companies advertising on her network may not care either.
Speaker 2 - Julie Hayden:
The media still pushes it. Channel 7, the ABC affiliate in Denver, framed RFK Jr.'s comments as medical misinformation and accused him of trying to rewrite the history of COVID-19. But the issue is that Fauci did tell us these things, and now they are trying to deny that.
Speaker 1 - Chuck Bonniwell:
During COVID, anything they did not like was called misinformation - dangerous misinformation. Hydroxychloroquine was dismissed as a horse dewormer or treated as though anyone mentioning it was crazy. But there are people who lost loved ones who are now asking whether treatments were kept from them because media and officials pushed a narrative.
Speaker 2 - Julie Hayden:
I do not think we have seen the last of action connected to the COVID response. For TV stations and networks, I think the pharmaceutical companies were pushing that Dana Bash interview because otherwise they would have preferred to ignore the whole thing. Fauci looks bad, and the media looks bad.
Speaker 1 - Chuck Bonniwell:
The pharmaceutical companies are trying to resurrect their image. As parents are going through school and sports registration, doctors are asking about the regular vaccination schedule and all the newer shots. Parents are saying no. You can tell the doctors are on their heels.
Speaker 2 - Julie Hayden:
Julie explains that when her family went through a school physical, they declined several additional shots. When COVID came up, the doctor said they did not even carry that anymore.
Speaker 1 - Chuck Bonniwell:
Julie has to go pick up Rev, so I will take over from here.
Speaker 2 - Julie Hayden:
See everybody on Wednesday.
Speaker 1 - Chuck Bonniwell:
Thank you, Julie. Do not rush back. Jacob, you can join in too. I think people in red states may have a real chance to bring cases against doctors or institutions that denied treatments or pushed the official COVID line. In Colorado, the Democratic judges would probably throw everything out, but in Texas, Florida, Alabama, and Louisiana, there may be more of an opening.
Speaker 3 - Jacob:
I know people who were really pushing the shot on me. I told them I was positive, I did not need it, and I would not put that poison in me. They laughed at me. Today, one of those people is a liver-cancer survivor. I do not know whether that was connected, but he was a healthy man before the shot.
Speaker 1 - Chuck Bonniwell:
Peter Boyles pushed the jab for a while too, then backed away from it. He had a stroke. Fauci, according to the records, also had a medical event and did not tell people about it, then complained that it should have been redacted as personal medical information. But when you are telling everyone the vaccine is safe, that matters.
Speaker 3 - Jacob:
After the COVID shots were given out, the news networks were having a hard time getting commercials. I remember seeing so many commercials from AstraZeneca, Pfizer, and other pharmaceutical companies. It looked like they were saying, as long as the networks kept telling everyone the COVID shot was good, the advertising money would keep coming.
Speaker 1 - Chuck Bonniwell:
Those ads are often for obscure ailments. The real purpose is not always to sell the medicine directly. The purpose is to spend money on CBS, ABC, CNN, and the rest, and effectively buy influence.
Speaker 3 - Jacob:
There was also a Blue Cross Blue Shield of Michigan case where employees were forced to take the shots or be fired. Some were fired, and later employees received settlements and had their jobs offered back. The notes to doctors said they would receive payments for each shot and more for boosters.
Speaker 1 - Chuck Bonniwell:
There are a lot of potential suits, but everything depends on the judge. Fauci has given depositions in some cases, and attorneys general in red states are looking into it. The diary entries are compellingly awful. He was thrilled by fame and by celebrities paying attention to him, and he was advising shutdowns even though he knew they would not work.
Speaker 4 - Johnnie:
This is Johnnie. I had an experience where doctors gave me medication that caused my blindness. When we took them to court, their lawyers said I had signed the papers, so they got away with it. I was surprised how easily my brothers and sisters went along with what the doctors were saying after seeing what happened to me. Some of them are still voting Democrat. I look at what the government did with the Tuskegee airmen and syphilis, and it seems like people blank that out and just say, "The government says so."
Speaker 1 - Chuck Bonniwell:
There is that video of Fauci and Washington, D.C. Mayor Muriel Bowser going door to door. One young man comes back at them, and he is incredibly articulate. He says six months is not enough time to test a vaccine. I would love for them to go back and find that guy so he can say, "See, I was right."
Speaker 4 - Johnnie:
Do you think they have something on these people that causes them to go in this direction? Like something embarrassing they could reveal about them?
Speaker 1 - Chuck Bonniwell:
There is a book called Blackmail America that essentially says everyone had something on everyone else. The mob had something on Hoover. Hoover had something on Kennedy. Roy Cohn knew things, and people knew things about Roy Cohn. In Washington, it is almost like everyone is blackmailing everyone else. There is a nuclear-deterrent effect because they all know things about one another.
Speaker 1 - Chuck Bonniwell:
That is why trust in Washington is near zero. Maybe it should always have been zero, but it felt better when I did not believe everyone was corrupt. You look at supposedly independent media people who had Fauci on and just kissed up to him, and you wonder whether they have seen the evidence or whether they are so deranged and so in the pocket of the Democrats that they do not want to leave the in-crowd.
Speaker 4 - Johnnie:
Is it something that has always been part of human nature?
Speaker 1 - Chuck Bonniwell:
We have to fool ourselves about human nature because it is too depressing otherwise. History is full of people slaughtering, raping, and killing each other. We create myths about one side or the other being pure, but human beings are awful. That is part of the truth.
Speaker 1 - Chuck Bonniwell:
The Democratic Party is in a heap of trouble, even though Trump is also flailing. The Democrats have nobody attractive politically. Chuck Schumer, Gavin Newsom, Kamala Harris - are they really going to rerun Kamala Harris? It is pathetic. They depend on "Trump sucks" rather than offering something of their own.
Speaker 3 - Jacob:
Do you think a lot of Republicans are complicit too? I am running my race, and I put out requests for volunteers and support. People say yes, yes, yes, but then there is no action.
Speaker 1 - Chuck Bonniwell:
The Republican Party is the daddy party. I know plenty of conservative Republicans who plan to vote but then do not get around to it. In a presidential election, everyone is reminded constantly, but in midterms and off-year elections the pressure is not there. Democrats, the mommy party, tend to mail ballots early and get it done. Republicans often say their vote does not count or make excuses.
Speaker 1 - Chuck Bonniwell:
Now, about Colorado politics and jungle primaries. There is a big push for them again. We had a vote two years ago and rejected it, but some rich people, including establishment Republicans and Democrats, want them. When politicians say they are going on a listening tour, they already know what they want. Jungle primaries would let billionaires and large interests control the process.
Speaker 1 - Chuck Bonniwell:
If you want to be part of politics now, you can join your county party and work your way up. With jungle primaries, all you get to do is choose between the candidates wealthy interests put in front of you. It sounds inclusive, but it actually reduces participation.
Speaker 3 - Jacob:
What are your thoughts on the governor's race? Are you planning to vote for Victor Marx?
Speaker 1 - Chuck Bonniwell:
There may be nobody else to vote for. Greg Lopez has been on this program before, and I have supported him, but as an independent spoiler candidate he helps Democrats. Victor Marx may not have a realistic chance, but that also means he is free to take bold positions.
Speaker 1 - Chuck Bonniwell:
The Republican gubernatorial debate was sleepy until Kyle Clark started attacking Victor Marx. Kyle Clark was so vicious and mean that he actually made Victor Marx more likable. Marx should hope Kyle Clark attacks him every night, because that is probably the best way for him to get votes.
Speaker 1 - Chuck Bonniwell:
Here is a quiz. Who is the Republican candidate for U.S. Senate? Most people do not know. It is Mark Beasley. I like Mark, but nobody knows who he is, and that is a problem.
Speaker 1 - Chuck Bonniwell:
The only thing that could really change things is a strong election-integrity law, such as the SAVE Act, with real requirements for voter eligibility and paper ballots. That could finally give Republicans a chance, because Colorado's system is so badly tilted toward mail ballots and weak verification.
Speaker 1 - Chuck Bonniwell:
With a few minutes left, what do you think of Sophie Cunningham in the WNBA? She has been defending Caitlin Clark and pushing back against players who attack her. She is standing out, and the WNBA has become more interesting because of it.
Speaker 3 - Jacob:
People should stop going to some of these games outside of the Indiana games and just let Caitlin Clark be the magnet for fans. Maybe everyone else would get the message.
Speaker 1 - Chuck Bonniwell:
The league is subsidized, so they may not get the message. But the whole thing has become more revealing. The way some fans and ownership treated young girls supporting Sophie Cunningham shows how political and hypocritical the atmosphere has become.
Speaker 1 - Chuck Bonniwell:
All right, guys, this has been fun. We should do this again when Julie has to leave and open the show up to some of our great callers and listeners.
Speaker 3 - Jacob:
Thanks.
Speaker 4 - Johnnie:
Thanks.
Speaker 1 - Chuck Bonniwell:
Thanks very much for joining in. We will see you Wednesday. Everybody, take care.
