saddam & rummy transcript *LINK*

saddam & rummy transcript *LINK*
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Tuesday, May 10, 2005 12:37 pm


Rumsfeld: I have come to meet you to talk with out about the

situation in Iraq. We have been in communication with some

of your supporters inside and outside Iraq and they advised

us to listen to you.

Saddam Hussein: And what is it that you want? Your forces

have occupied the territory of noble Iraq; you brought down

the ruling regime without any legal basis; you attacked the

sovereignty of an independent, free, sovereign country; and

you committed crimes that history will record astestimony

against your bloodstained civilization. So what more do you

want after all that?

Rumsfeld: (trying to conceal his anger): there no call for going

into the past. I\'ve come specially to present you a clear and

specific offer and I want to hear from you a clear and specific


Saddam Hussein (mockingly): I suppose you\'ve come to

apologize and return authority to the Iraqis.

Rumsfeld: We have nothing to apologize for. You were a

danger to your neighbors. You were trying to acquire

weapons of mass destruction, and you practiced dictatorship

over your people. So it was natural for us to extend our hands

to help the people of Iraq to rid themselves ofthe perils they

faced for more than thirty years.

Saddam Hussein: I know that you\'re ignorant of history and I

know that your president is no less ignorant. But it seems that

you\'ve been telling lies for so long that you have come to

believe them yourselves. If you mean by \"our neighbors\" the

Zionist Entity, then, yes, we really were posing a danger to it

and preparing to liberate our plundered land in Palestine. This

is the trust of every Arab person, not just Iraqis, for that land

is Arab and its people are Arab and the Zionists have done

nothing but occupy the land. They came to us from every

corner of the world with your help and that of the old colonial

powers. But if you mean Kuwait, I would like to ask you: Have

you withdrawn from Kuwait or not?

Rumsfeld: These are security issues. Besides, between us

and Kuwait and the other Gulf States there are security

agreements. We came in based on their request to defend

them from your threats.

Saddam Hussein: Isn\'t it funny to entrust the wolf to guard the

sheep? The Kuwaiti people are an Arab people, and Kuwait is

Iraqi territory. So I would ask you to go and read up on history

well, except that I am sure that you will never be able to grasp


Rumsfeld: Enough of this chatter. I am offering you . . .

Saddam Hussein (cuts him off): Before you offer me your

rotten goods, I want to ask you: did you find any weapons of

mass destruction or not?

Rumsfeld (confused): we haven\'t found any so far. But we

definitely will find them one day. Do you deny that you had

the intention of making a nuclear bomb?

Saddam Hussein: We had no weapons of mass destruction

since 1991. We were truthful when we spoke to the

International Inspection Team and we were truthful in our

letters toKofi Annan. And you knew those facts, but you were

looking for any false excuse to occupy Iraq and overthrow the

legal authorities.

Rumsfeld: The Iraqis greeted us happily and welcomed us

and the reason was the bloody practices of your regime for all

the years in which you ruled Iraq.

Saddam Hussein: I ask you, Mr. Rumsfeld . . . Enough lying.

You are the ones who opened up cascades of blood on the

land of Iraq. You plotted against us and you came with some

traitors to take over rule of the great land of Iraq.

Rumsfeld: The ones you call traitors were chosen as their

leaders by the Iraqi people by democratic means and clean

elections, such as never took place while you ruled the


Saddam Hussein: I knew that you came with a band of

traitors with[Jalal] at-Talibaniin their front ranks (laughs

mockingly). Great Iraq being ruled by at-Talibani andal-Ja\'fari,

isn\'t that ridiculous? And what kind of elections are you talking

about. Is it possible to hold free elections, as you call them,

when our country is occupied? Mr. Rumsfeld, we have

learned from history that occupiers come only with their

lackeys and agents, then you want after all that to convince

me that the people of Iraq are enjoying freedom and

democracy? You must really be delirious.

Rumsfeld (trying very hard to control his anger): You are in

isolation and don\'t know the facts of what is going on outside.

The Iraqi people have been freed from your oppression. If

they saw you or any of you men in the street, they would

destroy you!!

Saddam Hussein: And I bet you that if you were able to

announce where you are in Iraq, if the Iraqi Resistance

learned where you were, you wouldn\'t be able to get out alive.

I want to pass on some advice that you must convey to your

stupid president: you must tell him to save what remains of

his troops. Death is stalking them in every place and

historywill not forgive him.

Rumsfeld: I came to talk with you about the \'terrorist\'

operations that your men are inciting and carrying out. Your

men recently carried out a foul attack against Abu Ghurayb

prison where more than 50 Americans were killed or

wounded, and they killed a number of those in custody on

various charges as well. Your men are getting help from

terrorists from every corner of the world and they are

threatening the democratic experiment in Iraq.

Saddam Hussein: What exactly is it that you want?

Rumsfeld: I\'m making you one offer and that is that you will

be released and can chose for yourself a place of exile freely,

in any country you like, on condition that you go on television

and issue a condemnation of terrorism and order your men to

stop these acts.

Saddam Hussein: Have you obtained the agreement of your

president to this offer?

Rumsfeld: Yes, this offer has been agreed on in a meeting in

which the President, Vice President, Secretary of State, and

Chief of Intelligence took part. AndI have been authorized to

inform you of this offer.

Saddam Hussein: It\'s a trifling offer.

Rumsfeld (with a sigh): We\'re also ready to bring elements

close to you into the government.

Saddam Hussein: And what else?

Rumsfeld: You will be given generous financial assistance

and security protection for you and your family in the country

of your choice.

Saddam Hussein: Do you want to hear my conditions?

Rumsfeld: I would love to.

Saddam Hussein (with an air of superciliousness and

superiority) I want first from you that you set a time table for

your withdrawal from Iraq and that your government commit

itself to it before the world and that you begin the withdrawal


Secondly, I ask you to release immediately all the Iraqi and

Arab prisoners in the prisons you have set up or in which you

have taken the freedom of tens of thousands of honorable

people of Iraq. Thirdly, I ask from you to pledge to grant full

compensation for the material losses that afflicted the Iraqi

people as a result of your aggression against our country

since the Mother of Battles in 1991 and until today. And I

accept the assistance of an Arab and International Committee

in estimating the extent of those losses.

Fourth, I ask that you return the money that you and your

men plundered from the treasuries of Iraq, and its oil, in

particular that criminal[L. Paul] Bremerand his gang of traitors

and renegades.

Fifth, the return of the artifacts that you stole and gave to the

archaeological artifact mafia. These are treasures that are

beyond all the monetary value in the world, because they

carry the history of Iraq and its civilization. It\'s true that you

don\'t have any civilization or history and that the lifespan of

your country is no more than a few hundred years, but all that

must not serve to justify your theft and your hatred for the

civilization of Iraq and the wealth of Iraq.

And sixth, you must hand over the weapons of mass

destruction if you have found any and return to us the lives of

all the martyrs whose lives you took and to return the honor of

the noble women of Iraq whom you dishonored.

Rumsfeld: Is this some kind of joke?

Saddam Hussein: No! This is the bitter reality. . . which you

know, Mr. Rumsfeld. You have committed the greatest crime

in history against a peaceful Arab country. We met together in

the 1980s. Do you remember your offers?

Rumsfeld: Enough of the past. We are reassessing our

positions towards you and towards a number of powers that

have been hostile to us in the past. We have decided to hold

dialogue with moderate Islamicists and we have no objection

to their coming to power through the ballot box. More

important than that we have decided to open channels for

dialogue with \'terrorist\' organizations like Hamas, the Islamic

Jihad, and Hizbollah, which is pro-Iranian, and also with other

fundamentalist organizations in the whole world. We even

have a plan for contacting the Taliban movement in

Afghanistan to study the possibility of their participation in

power, in exchange for their giving up arms.

Saddam Hussein: So you have begun to rethink your

erroneous course?

Rumsfeld: It is a natural development of events. We are

striving to spread democracy in all countries and movements

subject to tyranny.

Saddam Hussein: May you prosper if you are truthful. I know

your real aim, though. If you were really truthful, then you and

your allies must begin immediately by withdrawing from Iraq.

And you would also have to depart from your position of

support for \'Israel\'. But I know that your president is stubborn

and arrogant and is not telling the truth.

Rumsfeld: He is a democratically elected president, not a

bloody ruler like you.

Saddam Hussein: Terror is your product and lying is your


Rumsfeld: This offer is a historic opportunity for you. You will

be released and we will consult with you in everything related

to the running of Iraq. If you refuse this offer, the opportunity

will not be fulfilled.

Saddam Hussein: I am not looking for opportunities. I am not

looking for a way to save my neck from the gallows that you

have set up for all of Iraq. If I wanted that I would have

accepted the Russian offer and saved my sons and grandson

from martyrdom. I don\'t know what has become ofmy family

and my daughters and grandchildren. But believe me I am

concerned with every Iraqi citizen and the future of great Iraq

more than I am concerned with myself and my family.

Through your men, you previously made an offer that if I

declare that weapons of mass destruction were smuggled to

Syria, you said that in return you would release me. I rejected

that then and I reject it again now.

Rumsfeld: I don\'t want a rejection from you. I want you to

think about it. We are continuing our reassessment of our

stances at the present time. We want to stop the bloodshed

on both sides. And therefore we have made this offer out of

the logic of power and not the logic of weakness.

We asked Jalal at-Talibani to make a statement denying any

intention of executing you as a sign of good intentions on our

part. We are ready to reassess our whole position on the

political arrangement in Iraq as a whole and to discuss this

matter with you and with your men.

Saddam Hussein: Are you ready to withdraw or not?

Rumsfeld: We can possibly discuss redeployment. Our forces

have prepared bases for a long stay. We can possibly

withdraw from streets and cities, but we will remain in the

bases for some time.

Saddam Hussein: then you want a new stooge to add to that

line of stooges. No Mr. Rumsfeld. Don\'t forget that you are

talking with Saddam Hussein the President of the Republic of


Rumsfeld: But you lost power.

Saddam Hussein: I have nothing left but honor and honor

cannot be bought and sold.

Rumsfeld: But life is priceless.

Saddam Hussein: There is no value to life without honor. You

robbed Iraq of its honor when you trampled on its land and we

will regain our honor whether Saddam Hussein remains or

dies a martyr.

Rumsfeld: Your supporters with whom we have been

discussing told us that you were the first and last decision

maker. Were they expecting this reaction from you?

Saddam Hussein: Definitely, they know that Saddam Hussein

cannot back away at the expense of his homeland and honor.

Rumsfeld: History will hold you responsible for the blood that

is being shed in Iraq.