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David Wilcock Transcript From Las Tuesdays Night Coast To Coast Show


I am delighted to report that immediately as I got my car back from the shop for repairs today ó after having driven a rental car since last Tuesday ó Coast called me up and offered me a one-hour slot on tonightís show.

Placed in context of the other events going on in my life, and what Iíve just been through, the timing was nothing short of miraculous.

Before I share with you the transcript from my previous show of February 6th, 2009 on Coast, let me tell you why I consider the timing so astonishing. I need to establish some philosophical premises first so this will make sense.


We always start by reminding ourselves that thereís only one of us here. The Ďseparationí never actually happened. The entire manifest Universe, including space, time and all dimensions, is an illusion ó a dream in the mind of an Ultimate Being.

It was already over long ago, we already all won the game, and we are already all Home now. We are in a dream of space and time, and within this dream there is structure, including a finite series of experiences that we will run through at whatever speed we choose. Until we complete this curriculum we remain in the "illusion".

The essence of this Ultimate Being is Love. We are also told that Free Will, or the "First Distortion of the Law of One", is the most essential concept to grasp in terms of how to treat others with Love within the Ďillusioní of space and time.

You cannot escape the fact that your essence is Love, and that your purpose here is to awaken to your true identity as the One Infinite Creator.

You also cannot escape the fact that as Love, you set up a system of guidelines where whatever you measure out to others will be measured back to you.

Hence, treat others with love and compassion and more of these wonderful qualities will flow into your own life naturally. Treat others with manipulation and control and you, in turn, will be manipulated and controlled by others.


Sadly, on this planet at this time, there are many, many people who do not grasp that we live in a highly structured reality, in which there is a "Glass Ceiling."

Everything you say, everything you do, everything you think is known.

Not just by you, but by everyone above our own Ďthird-densityí level.

You may be able to manipulate this reality and lie to someone here on the ground, or deceive and manipulate them in some way that appears to have worked. However, in truth you are utterly, 100-percent accountable for everything you do.

There really is no privacy ó not in the sense of the higher forces who surround us and are constantly peering into our reality through the "Glass Ceiling."

This insults the ego of people who havenít accepted Oneness to some degree, and have indulged in a false sense of privacy most of their lives. Nonetheless, this is exactly how it works in the deeper ĎReal Worldí weíre all participating in, with varying levels of awareness.


Many people are awakening to the realities within conspiracy theories at this time, and find it astonishing that the mainstream media has been lying to them for so long about so many things.

Nonetheless, they typically still fail to realize that even the full scope of ĎTruthí about government / corporate / secret society shenanigans is nothing by comparison to the much greater hidden reality that underlies our existence.

The fact is that we are not alone. Our world is not what it seems to be at all. It is a massive school, intending to teach us to make a solid choice between love or control.

Our thoughts and actions do not occur in a void. Everything we think and everything we do pushes us in a direction ó either closer to Oneness or farther away from it.

Whenever we veer from our course of Oneness, we will continually be prodded back on the path.

Think about this the next time you are tempted to lie, cheat, steal, hurt, manipulate or control someone. You may be able to do these things and "Get Away With It", but your Higher Self is taking it all in and programming future events to balance you out the very moment you perform these Ďinfringements.í

Every time you judge someone, hate them, criticize them or attack them, you have just demonstrated that you do not understand the truth of Oneness and of Love. And you are accountable for the thoughts you create. They will come back around.

Itís a shame that more of my readers do not grasp this simple concept, given the level of vitriol I see in the anti-Obama flame letters. If you hate or attack anyone, for any reason, then you havenít grasped the most basic aspect of spiritual truth there is.

Iím not affected by it ó I already have forgiven you for whatever you write and know itís not about me anyway ó but these actions very much do affect you. Itís a point worth meditating about.

You will always have a place in my heart where you are seen as precious beyond measure, regardless of how you approach me. By that same token, I withdraw from confrontations, refusing to engage, and do the forgiveness / acceptance work on a higher level, apart from any direct physical communication.


According to the Cayce Readings, a "Law of Grace" is being applied here on Earth where we are not held responsible for more Ďkarmaí than we can hope to make use out of and understand at any given time.

There are so many thousands of ways in which we inadvertently infringe upon the free will of others ó say by buying ultra-cheap Ďsweat-shopí products essentially built by the modern Asian equivalent of slaves ó that if we were fully accountable for every infringement, we would all be suffering miserably and no one would learn anything.

Therefore, the Law of Grace is a sliding scale where you do not experience any greater Ďkarmaí than you can be expected to learn from.

The problem here is that once you become fully educated as to the realities you live in, and the metaphysical truths that the Universe is formed from, the Law of Grace increasingly falls away, and you become totally accountable.

In this world, with how many people are Ďasleepí and how easily they can hurt you, that is a very, very difficult place to be.

I have been living this way for many, many years now, having begun advanced spiritual studies into hypnosis and ESP at age 7, and gaining the complete Law of One philosophical perspective in 1996. Hence I am far more accountable, for far smaller things, than most other people would be.

The stakes rise even higher when you are out there giving spiritual teachings to groups of people who have found your work. If any of your actions do not align with your teachings, the karmic feedback is swift, intense and relentless.

Again, the key is not to get angry or frustrated, but to see it as a blessing. Each experience is a gift that can lead to your full awakening if pursued to its greatest extent.


Initiation is probably the least-understood aspect of spiritual truth and philosophy for most people who are in the process of awakeningÖ and initiation comes through Ďcatalyst,í either of spirit, mind or body.

The Law of One series defines Ďcatalystí as anything that promotes our spiritual evolution back into Oneness. In many cases these are jarring events, as this is what we need to wake up.

We like to think of spiritual growth as this happy, loving, wonderful process. We feel weíve been suffering and we want to end that suffering. We may initially be attracted into spirituality as almost another form of addiction ó just have a drink and your problems melt away.

It doesnít work that way at all. You can read books, listen to radio shows, watch documentaries and Ďspread the wordí about what you see to be the truth all day long ó but if you neglect the love that is present in this moment, and do not adequately share it with yourself and others, you will be shaken.


Even in high school, I was telling people that "Spiritual growth is the hardest thing you will ever do in your life. It is also the most rewarding."

Back in the 80s, a pot-smoking friend of mine stole a fairly expensive item from someone, and almost immediately wrecked his car. He did not Ďgainí anything ó his loss from the car wreck was greater than what he Ďgainedí from stealing someone elseís property.

To me this was so obvious I was astonished when he refused to see a correlation between the events.

I watched more and more people suffering the effects of Ďkarmaí and not even daring to imagine that these events were in any way related to things they had already said, done or even just thought. Nonetheless, the more you awaken to this reality, the more obvious it becomes when it happens to everyone else.

Again, the Law of One term for Ďkarmaí is catalyst ó and it comes in a sequential process. It starts in the spirit, and if that doesnít work it spills over into the mind. If that doesnít work it spills over into the body.

The reason why Iím writing all this is I just went through some very intense Ďbody catalystí and am sharing the fruits of what I learned.


The first level of catalyst is spiritual. The questioner in the Law of One series never examined this very much, but it is clear that a great deal of spiritual catalyst occurs in the form of dream initiations.

Letís say you have a major problem that has occurred in the past. It could be anything ó think of any major problem youíve been through, or that may be causing you distress even recently.

Though you cannot see it while stuck in linear time, there is a potential that this problem could happen again. Your Higher Self may see that you could be ready to let go of this problem for good.

You will then experience the same problem in a dream. If you successfully deal with it in the dream, i.e. in the Ďspirit,í then you have signaled to your Higher Self that the problem need not repeat in your physical life. You have now learned the lesson, and youíre free to move to the next level.


As one example, say the problem is that you have not fully forgiven and accepted an abusive parent. You may have a dream where a monstrous character, with exaggerated qualities like those of your parent, is chasing you.

If you have done the work and have forgiven your parent, you may realize the monster in your dream has no power over you. There is no reason to fear as you turn and face the very thing that seems to have been so terrifying and impossible to deal with in the past.

This is a profound healing, as in its fullest form you see the monster as a part of yourself that is in a lot of pain and really doesnít want to hurt anyone.

You then embrace and forgive this character, which often by now is nothing more than a child, and there is a burst of white light, often ending in you waking up in tears. Congratulations ó youíve just had the ultimate example of processing catalyst in the spirit.

However, if you go through the dream and you keep on running away from the problem, then itís time for your catalyst to spill over into the mind.

Remember: "In Forgiveness Lies the Stoppage of the Wheel of Karma."

Everything flows from forgiveness. It is the central ingredient that can end all suffering in the manifest world.

The point at which your progress stops can be measured as the point at which your forgiveness stops.


Catalyst unprocessed by the spirit ó i.e. through dreams we have that can be challenging, like running from an attacker and remaining terrified as it repeats over and over again ó spill over into the mind. We then become consciously aware there is a problem, and it plagues our mind.

Going back to our example, as just one of many different possibilities, at this point we now attract someone into our lives who is the physical embodiment of the monster chasing us in the dream that we kept running from.

The person we now attract into our lives will have qualities that are quite similar to the abusive parent who first traumatized us. Now we have an opportunity to forgive this person, this projection of our original abuser, and learn to respect ourselves enough not to participate with people who treat us this way.

If we do not deal with catalyst in the mind ó i.e. if we are unable to forgive this person in our lives who is offering us the same judgment, unfair treatment, condemnation, scorn and ridicule that we felt as a child, and ultimately direct against ourselves ó then this catalyst spills over into the body.

This is where initiation can truly become dangerous, from a physical perspective. Nonetheless, on a higher level we take on and accept this danger because of how important it is that we awaken, or at the very least remain within a state of spiritual balance.


ĎPhysical Catalystí involves physical damage ó either to the body itself, through internal illness or external injury, or to personal property ó everything from accidentally dropping that glass or plate you liked all the way up to totaling a car or having your house burn down.

The intended effect of this Ďcatalystí is the same as spiritual or mental catalyst. It is intended to give you insight, to wake you up, to jar you out of toxic emotions and back into love and forgiveness.

The difference here is that youíre now seeing destructive force unleashed upon your own body or upon the physical things that your body identifies with.

Unfortunately, we have been widely conditioned in movies and the like to not think of body catalyst as karmic in nature. ĎBad Thingsí just happen to people without there being any reason.

We recoil in horror when "Bad Things" happen to children, not realizing that in many cases future incarnations are required to balance karma out that we created in a prior life time.

And let us be clear that we do have a Higher Self, it does have a very real spiritual agenda for us, and if we stray far enough off the path of what we came here to do in this life, it is perfectly willing to end an incarnation and pull us out, hoping to recalibrate our next lifetime so as to generate faster learning and better results.


If you are already dealing with body catalyst, there is absolutely no reason to judge yourself as having done anything wrong. There is no Ďwrongí ó there is only love and free will, and when you infringe on free will, you will have experiences that can restore you to perfect balance.

Those experiences, in order to be properly processed and utilized, involve forgiving and accepting yourself and others. Thatís what everything keeps coming down to. Even in college, long before Iíd pieced it all together, I was telling my friend Angelica "Self-acceptance is the bulls-eye" weíre all shooting for on the spiritual path.

Your Higher Self never sees you in any other form than with unimaginable love. Catalyst is precisely measured and never exceeds the exact amount deemed to be useful to nudge you back into love, acceptance and forgiveness. And the more love you create, the more comes back to youÖ by equally mystical and miraculous processes.

Beings in higher dimensions are not detached and emotionless at all. In fact, they understand us far more than we could ever believe, and have exquisitely intricate sensitivity to every little nuance of the spiritual path that comes our way.

You cannot imagine a being more understanding, more compassionate, and more insightful, as they almost never occur on Earth due to the personality distortions we all face here. Nonetheless, it is to that same level of acceptance and understanding that we are all being pushed.

And with that said, letís explore my own physical catalyst that I just passed through, as it was quite intense.


I have been through quite the initiation these last three weeks. It started when I received what I felt to be a very judgmental, attacking letter over a long-standing personal issue with someone I know. I felt the letter showed an extreme lack of respect, and came across as a great betrayal.

My personality was insulted enough by this letter that I yelled in my room, and ended up damaging my throat and vocal cords, particularly on the left. I did not put this into writing, as I am very composed and do not throw my anger at others if I feel it at all ó but in my own private space I certainly vented the emotions.

I really have done a great job of clearing emotional charges like this out of my life, and thatís why this one was such a surprise. I didnít even know it was there and was surprised at the intensity that came up for me. I was not feeling the love or the forgiveness ó I was shocked at what this person I trusted was showing me.

The wound in my throat became an attack vector for germs to get in, while in the meantime I was working myself much too hard and never slowing down.


By the time the Conscious Life Expo came around I was extremely ill and fatigued.

I barely held it together on the panels, but experienced a marvelous surge of energy for my own events ó the higher spiritual forces lifting me out of whatever my body was feeling into a state of grace. This is a common phenomenon ó I can perform very well even under exceptional stress.

I did write about the problems and successes of the event in my previous entry, but left out the part about how I was practically a walking corpse while all this was going on, physically speaking. No one knew, but I had to avoid the crowds more than usual in order to avoid losing even more of my own vital energy and getting even sicker.


I left the Expo and came home, only to continue trying to do everything at once, and handling whatever I can of an email load that has now surged to 200+ per day on peak days, with signs of it continuing to rise. As a responsible person I have been left with no choice but to spiritually wish my writers well, encourage them in articles like this to participate in the discussion forum, and send them good thoughts as I read their words.

I cannot answer individually in the majority of cases, and the ones I do answer are not selected as being Ďbetterí or more deserving than others ó it is more of a random process, totally a creature of the moment in which they come in, and whether or not I can reply in a few short sentences.

I felt like my whole life was on a treadmill and I never had time to stop or slow down. Even cleaving off most of my email load, I was trying to do way too much at once, and I didnít have the health to be able to do anything but lie in bed. I was happy within my work, but outside of my work I really didnít have a life.


Then the UFO Congress came around and I was sicker than ever. Any sane person would have canceled, but I had a clear dream before the Conscious Life Expo comparing me to a soldier. This was my duty. My honor. March into battle, hold the sword of Truth aloft, and serve to the best of my ability, regardless of the cost.

I was drinking a super-green powder for nutrition, and synergizing it with another powder that was almost like a meal in and of itself. That powder expands into a thick goo when you hydrate it in an 8-oz glass of water.

Ultimately, what happened was that as I started using this powder, particles of it were getting trapped in the pockets of my already-enflamed tonsil as I swallowed it. They were then staying in those pockets, fairly dry, and accumulating. What nearly killed me, and drove me to the emergency room, was these particles rehydrating inside the tonsil but not releasing.

I was in really bad shape when I gave my talk at the UFO Congress, but no one knew. By all accounts I did a fantastic job. I tried to stick around for the awards ceremony but I had to apply constant pressure to my throat to stop it from aching.

That night I could only sleep for an hour and a half at a time before I would wake up in devstating, burning pain unlike anything Iíve ever felt in my throat before. It was nearly impossible to speak, eat or drink without excruciating pain. The whole left side of my throat was blocked off.


I had to drive myself home from the UFO Congress, since I had taken my rental car out there while my regular car was in the shop. I considered it a short drive and didnít want to risk going on a plane and having the severe ear pain that can result when you are sick. I had no idea how much sicker I would be when I had to drive myself home.

During that final seven-hour period, I could not make intelligible speech ó I sounded as if I had damage to my normal tongue muscular function and / or the structure of my palate. I had to expectorate into a cup every 15 seconds because I could not swallow, and my salivary glands were running full tilt.

Superficially I knew I had been hit by a bad case of "sick building syndrome" from the new carpet fumes in the room I was staying in at the conference ó something that has struck me very hard on several occasions in the past ó but this condition had already been building up for some time by then; the room was just the final catalyst.

No one knew I was so sick at either the Conscious Life Expo or the International UFO Congress, and I still managed to do a great job in this condition. I didnít write about it on this site either, because I wanted the focus to be on the message, not the messenger. Now that I understand what was going on I have clearly been asked to talk about it.


Once I got home from my seven-hour driving ordeal, I breathed hot steam out of a pan, and then took a very hot bath with mineral salts. I coughed and hacked the entire time. I then got out, and while sitting on the toilet a thought went through my mind about the person who had written me three weeks earlier and gotten me so upset.

In that moment, it was simpleÖ I just said "They can think whatever they want. Itís fine. Itís not who I am and I donít need to have everyone agree with me."

Suddenly I started gagging ó and for the next three hours I hacked up over three tablespoons worth of brown material from my tonsil as all those particles of Ďsuperfoodí powder suddenly re-hydrated, forming a goo that was much greater than the space they had been taking up inside the tonsil.

It was literally like vomiting, and Iíve never experienced anything like this before, nor do I ever intend to again. It was a massive emotional purging.

At the end of the whole thing I had gotten much, much better, and by the next morning it was almost back to normal. Today, just a day after that, all thatís left is the slightest tickle, and some rips in the skin that I have to be careful not to stretch by opening my mouth too much.


I realized that the whole issue was about forgiveness. It was a poignant teaching and I did get the message. It will undoubtedly change how I do what I do, and the wording of this article is just the beginning of it.

I will finish this thought after Iím on the air, but Iím hearing the bumper music now and have to post this as it isÖ

OKÖ I just finished the show and Iím too tired to finish writing this tonight, so check back tomorrow afternoon for more. In the meantime, if you want to sign up for either the New York Convergence 3-day gathering or the Canadian Rockies 8-day intensive, click here for more information.

And now, on with the transcript of my last show!

[Update: We have another major radio show with the UKís ĎKerrang!í program tomorrow (Thursday), so this thread will be continued in a subsequent article.]

David Wilcock Coast to Coast AM
February 6, 2009

(starting 9:38 into first hour)

George Noory (GN): Up next, David Wilcock as we talk about 2012.

Itís a special night here. Back by popular demand ó David Wilcock. Heís an author, lecturer, researcher. He has intensively researched UFOlogy, ancient civilizations, consciousness science as well. Heís a public speaker. Iíll tell you a little bit about one of his speaking engagements coming up sometime this month.

Here he is on Coast to Coast AM. David! Welcome back.

David Wilcock (DW): Well, George, itís a real blessing that we have that kind of grass roots support that Iíll be on basically twice in one month almost.

GN: Well, let me tell you something. You did a phenomenal job for us the last time you were on, got lots of emails.

DW: Well, thank you.

GN: And Tommy said: Well, letísÖ Plus next hour weíve got a little surprise ó you to us. And us to you, by the way.

DW: Ha ha.

GN: (laughs)

DW: I like that. One hand washes the other.

GN: Thatís right. The story I had before you came on had to do with someone in Ghana [sp] talking about itís the end for all of us on 2012.

DW: Mm hm.

GN: Some have said this on this program as well. You have not. Tell us where youíre coming from.

DW: Well, thatís a complex way to jump in but letís go for it, man.

GN: Yup.

DW: Essentially it goes back to a combination of very hard-core scientific data coupled with intuitively-derived data. So we have to talk about one in order to talk about the other.

I did want to talk more about science tonight because some of the only critical letters I received were that I was not going into enough scientific detail to back these things up. So Iím hoping we can do some of that.

GN: Okay, absolutely.

DW: Okay. But first of all you have to understand that the context is that I have had some pretty phenomenal intuitive experiences: Five years old, out-of-body experience.

Seven years old, I begin reading about ESP, studying the exercises, practicing them, having no idea that this would eventually lead to some sort of telepathy that I would be doing with what appears to be this Higher Self ó which basically is you, but itís millions of years more evolved than where you are now.

From that perspective there is no boundary imposed by linear time, and the way that this was proven to me began when I started doing readings in 1996.

I would have a stack of cassette tapes, where I had dictated words that I did not remember what I said because I was in a deep trance, and then a month might go byÖ In some cases thereís been actually seven years!

There was a bank of about 20 tapes that I just got too busy and I never transcribed. Seven years later theyíre describing the house that Iím in. Theyíre describing the way that the driveway looks. Theyíre describing plants that I have growing on the refrigerator. I mean, itísÖ

So what Iíve seen in my private experience is an incredible variety of data showing me that there is no boundary imposed by linear time to this Higher Self that we have, these higher forces.

Given that information, we have reason to believe that when the most credible of these sources consistently say that our galaxy is an intelligent super-conscious BeingÖ

GN: Mm hm.

DW: Ö that it programmed human life to evolve on all the planets, wherever it will form throughout the galaxy; that human beings are basically the de facto standard of the galaxy, then what we see is that thereís obviously human beings out there that are more evolved than we are in the sense of their technology, their telepathic ability.

Many UFO witnesses report beings that walk through walls and have levitation capability. All kinds of very phenomenal effects like that.

So it would appear, when you start looking at all the great traditions in all the great spiritual literature throughout the world, thereís always some mention of angelic or divine beings of some kind, which are human in nature.

GN: Sure.

DW: So all of this leads me back to the fact that I have had synchronicity happening in my life for many years. Some of it involves seeing numbers on the clock. People always ask me what does that mean.

Essentially what you do is, if you see like 3:33 or 12:12 or 11:11, something like that, you want to look at what you were thinking about right before you saw the numbers, and that will be flagging that thought as being important for you.

GN: I see.

DW: So what Iím trying to say is that we have been conditioned through economics to believe in scarcity. We believe that we donít have enough. Weíre running out of fossil fuel. The weather is not cooperating.

All these Earth changes imply that weíre some sort of virus, as it said in The Matrix movie, that weíre like a cancer on the Earth, and that weíre in the process of being exterminated.

GN: Why are so many of us talking about 2012? Not only because itís getting closer, but it seems to be everywhere. I mean people who would never bring this up are now talking about it on the streets. Why?

DW: Well, George, I donít know if you realize this, but I use MySpace. myspace.com/divinecosmos is my account. [laughs] And now Iím going to be bombarded, Iím sure.

GN: You will after we chat with you next hour, anyway.

DW: Yeah, but anyway. Last week they put up this full page splash screen about this thing called the Institute for Human Continuity 2012.

GN: All right.

DW: It was this big ad that basically took the exact same catch-phrase as 2012: The Movie: What if six billion people were about to die, would the government tell you? Of course not. And then it says: But the Institute of Human Continuity will.

And you go on their site and itís all like Planet X and this and that. I mean the graphic design is nice but theyíre basically saying: Join the lottery, as if this is some sort of group thatís gonna, like, save you, but only if youíre one of the chosen people.

And so, some people have speculated: Is this some sort of government front or whatever?

But thereís some really concrete stuff going on that Iíd like to point out about 2012. First of all, I donít know if you are aware of this, George, but the crop circle phenomenon goes all the way back to 815 AD.

GN: Yes.

DW: Okay, you do know that.

GN: Thanks to Linda Moulton Howe.

DW: Right. Right. Okay. Good. So what we know isÖ For those who donít know the story Iíll just cover it very briefly.

GN: Okay.

DW: The archbishop of Leon, France, issued an edict for the people called ďAgainst the Foolish Opinion of the Masses about Hail and Thunder.Ē

This basically said that the pagan people of the time believed in what they called ďcloud ships from Begonia,Ē and that they were flattening crops into circles. It was believed that these crop circles were being formed so that the ETs would protect them against bad weather.

Well, thereís an ongoing chain of documentation to support crop circles showing up all throughout history. I go into this in my presentations, including the one Iím going to be giving at the Conscious Life Expo coming up here on the weekend of February 14th. Youíre going to be there too, so Iím very excited about that.

GN: Sure thing.

DW: So this is one of the things Iím going to be talking about. The reason why Iím bringing this up, George, is ó as Iím sure youíve probably heard before ó a very, very phenomenal event has happened.

Weíve been seeing some beautiful, gorgeous, amazing crop circles over the years, but it was this past season that we got a formation that very precisely gave us the planetary alignment at the end of 2012.

It shows you all the planets, the inner planets, the outer planets. It is the alignment for that exact day when the Mayan calendar ends.

And when you start to look at the evidence supporting the idea that the growth nodes on these crops are being bent but without breaking, and that the crops continue growing even when theyíve been put downÖ

GN: Uh huh.

DW: Öand that large amounts of underground water seem to disappear, as if thereís a technology thatís soaking up that water to stop the crops from catching on fire ó otherwise they would burn up if it was some kind of microwave or something ó we have a technology that we certainly donít have access to.

The complexity of some of these formations is off the charts. Some of them have appeared in 15 minutes, like the one in front of Stonehenge in, I guess it was í96. It was like three windmills or something.

The point is here that crop circles are something that go beyond this idea in your mind that: Oh well, this is just a guy on the radio talking about 2012. Thereís nothing thatís really gonna happen.

Well, these are things that are showing up in the crops that you can measure, that you can go and look at, and theyíve been showing up since 815 AD. Thereís a whole chain of history through the 1600s with Dr. Robert Plot, and then the ďMowing DevilĒ story, and all this stuff Iím sure youíve heard now.

The point is that we are now seeing inter-planetary climate change, which is the actual physical scientific proof that there is some sort of non-ordinary event taking place in the solar system. This is NOT your typical everyday year on Earth. Obviously we can see that in society.

There was one other thing that I wanted to mention, just to make sure that I get it out here: That is a study that was done by a doctor namedÖ And Iím bringing this up on the computer so I make sure I donít make a mistake.

GN: All right.

DW: So people donít hound me.

GN: Is this a scientific study?

DW: Yeah. Yeah, his name is Dr. John Hawks, H A W K S, and I encourage everybody to look this guy up. Heís from the University of Wisconsin. Heís an anthropologist and he studied rapid evolution in human beings, what he called positive selection in the Darwinian sense.

What he found was that in the last 40,000 years, human evolution has been what he called in a period of super-charged evolutionary change. Then if you look to the last 5,000 years, he has discovered that evolution, the speed of evolution, has moved 100 times faster.

But the most intriguing study that he came out with of all isÖ George, letís paint a picture for the audience of the Neanderthal. Right?

GN: Yeah.

DW: Hereís this guy with the clunky old brow, hair all over his back. Cave man. Right?

GN: Youíre talking about my producer, Tommy. Right, David? I told you not to do that.

DW: (laughs) Thatís classified information.

GN: Weíre going to be back with you in just a moment. [laughs]

[Ian Punnet section deleted] [Iím George Noory, back at you with David Wilcock. David, you were talking about this analogy of Neanderthals. Letís go back to that. Go ahead.]

DW: Iíve painted the picture that you have a Neanderthal with the clunky brow and the hairy body and everything, and we typically think of that as the cave man, and much less sophisticated than we are. Now think about periods in like the dawn of history such as Sumer, like 3000 BC.

GN: Okay.

DW: Letís paint that picture. Okay. John Hawks, the same University of Wisconsin anthropologist, has studied human evolution and found that we now, human beings now are more genetically different from people in 3000 BC than the people in 3000 BC were from Neanderthals. Now thatís scientific proof, man.

GN: And thatís bizarre, too, because it puzzles you, because something caused that.

DW: Well, you donít usually think of people that were around the time that some of the older books in the Bible might have been written or the Bhagavad Gita in India as being closer to Neanderthals than they are to us.

GN: Thatís true.

DW: But thatís what it is! Okay. And of course youíve heard about the Flynn Effect in which every ten years peopleís IQ is rising.

GN: Uh huh.

DW: Öin over twenty countries and the tests that show it the most are the non-verbal tests which have to do with abstract symbolic thinking. Itís like the whole way our minds work is changing.

GN: Which is critical to pure genius.

DW: Absolutely. So the pointÖ Hereís the smoking gun, the mechanism that you want to see how this works, okay?

Well, first of all you have to establish that this is not an ordinary moment in history, which we can do by looking through the entire solar system ó and if you want me to, we can list all those things.

Every planet, right down the list. Mercury was the only one we didnít have data for, and that just changed last year because they came out with stuff showing the magnetic field is growing.

I mean all the planets are getting ozone-charged. Theyíre getting brighter. Theyíre getting hotter on the surface, in some cases 200% hotter, like the surface of the moon Io around Jupiter. Itís happened in a very short period of time.

These are profound changes. This is why Richard Hoagland and I wrote a paper in 2004 about this and Richard did ask me to just say this one thing which I will do for him.

GN: All right.

DW: We have some very exciting news. One of the biggest television broadcast networks has contacted Richard and wants to do a 2012 documentary. They estimate that the listenership to Coast could double by this. They estimate thatÖ

Well, first of all, Richard is going to be like a key producer; he wants me involved. George, he may ask you to be involved if you want to be.

GN: No. Canít be. Too much.

DW: Oh. Conflict of interest.

GN: Yes.

DW: Okay.

GN: You know, with my sci-fi show.

DW: Well, thatís understandable.

GN: ButÖ

DW: Anyway.

GN: Öweíll give you as much support as we can.

DW: Right. So just to honor Richard, he asked me to say that the amount of interest that people demonstrate will determine how quickly this show gets off the ground. So he asked that anybody who is interested in seeing a 2012 show send you, George, email.

GN: Oh thanks.

DW: Yeah. Thatís Richardís gift to you. To blow up your in box.

GN: To inundate me. Thanks, Richard.

DW: So, yeah, if you want to see 2012Ö

GN: (laughs)

DW: Itís true though. I think that it would help to boost your listenership and that would be a great thing. But anyway. Okay Iíve said that.

So, letís get back to DNA because, as we talked about in the last show ó and thereís a transcript on my website divinecosmos.com. Weíve got the whole darn thing transcribed and as you said it was a ground-breaking show.

DNA, we can now prove definitively, is a wave. DNA is not something that just randomly arrives by these molecules combined together for no reason. Thereís many ways we can show this and I want to give you some new ones that we didnít talk about the last time.

GN: Thereís a design behind this, David.

DW: Oh yeah. Now I want you to think about for a moment black magic. I want you to think about people that do voodoo or something where they try to create fear ó and of course this is whatís happening on a global level right now. Thereís all this fear being created.

GN: Right.

DW: Letís think about the idea that maybe when you go into fear that your DNA is releasing some sort of bio-field or some sort of energy and that somebody could actually harness that.

Well, thereís a Russian scientist named Dr. A. B. Burlakov ó anybody can look this up on line ó and he did an experiment with fish eggs in which he had fertilized fish eggs that were brought within optical contact of each other. When they were about the same age in their development, the weaker one, the one that was just a little bit younger, would actually catch up to the other ones faster. The growth rate would suddenly accelerate. Okay?

GN: Huh.

DW: Which suggests that thereís some sort of energy thatís feeding life as we know it. But here, George, is where it gets really fascinating and in fact Iím even thinking of changing the script to my movie Convergence and putting this in there somewhere.

When you take weaker eggs that are not as old, and put them in front of eggs that are newerÖ now again, all they have to have is optical contact. These are hermetically sealed containers in which thereís just like a pane of glass between them so they can see each other.

What do you think might have happened when you take the weaker eggs and the stronger eggs and you put them next to each other?

GN: I bet the weaker eggs get stronger?

DW: The weaker eggs die.

GN: They die!

DW: They get weak, they mutate, they wilt and they die and the stronger eggs get stronger.

GN: Why?

DW: This gets back to why there is black magic and how the occult can use that to further their own spiritual evolution on that path.

It gets back to the Alpha Male. Why do you think, George, that a home team is apt to do better in a game than the away team?

GN: Thatís historically accurate.

DW: Yeah.

GN: Well, one is youíd say theyíre more comfortable with the field; they know the corners for example in hockey a little bit better; they know the rim better in basketball. The roar of the crowd helps them. But thereís somethingÖ thereís an overall feeling of being there, being comfortable, being in control.

DW: Well, this is where it gets back to the idea thatÖ just like the fish eggs where you can actually have a bio-field thatís strengthening health. Thereís another scientist who summarized like a 160 different studies of healing and found fully 64% of them showed a positive effect.

This is everything from single-celled organisms all the way up to complex human healing that involved like New York to LA people doing it by telepathy.

So we have some kind of energy and all we have to do is basically feel love or send our energy or support to someone.

So the negative elite, these Illuminati types, like to be in a position in which everyone is afraid and then they become the Alpha Male that everybody rallies behind for strength. Because the Alpha Male, the way nature set it up, is that the entire group sends their energy to the Alpha Male to make him stronger so he can fight for them so that they can survive.

GN: And it works!

DW: It works. And itís the same thing that you seeÖ Again, you raised some very good points about how the hockey could be they know the corners better and in basketball they know the rim better, etc.

It doesnít change the fact that part of what could be going on is this energy that the crowd is sending to the guys on the field.

GN: Precisely.

DW: Itís making them healthier, stronger, more vital. And again, if somebody wants to attack this we have laboratory evidence.

Another thing along that same line that I find really, really fascinating is a study that was done actually with raspberry calluses. And these are actually these cancerous cells that grow on a raspberry.

GN: Yuck.

DW: Now think about this because this applies to human physiology.

GN: Okay.

DW: Okay? Itís this big ugly gross-looking black thing that grows on a raspberry that shouldnít be there. For all intents and purposes, a surgeon, if it was a human body, would cut that out and say get rid of it.

GN: Right.

DW: What if you take a holographic image of a healthy raspberry plant and then you shine the hologram into the tumour. What do you think happens?

GN: You trick it?

DW: The tumour completely heals and turns into a healthy raspberry plant.

GN: Do we have scientific proof that this happens?

DW: Yes, look it up, the guys name is Budakovski. V is the first initial and then the name is BUDAKOVSKI. And this is ground-breaking stuff.

GN: So the cells of this diseased portion of a raspberry pick upÖ

DW: Right. Are actually reverted back to healthy cells and form a new plant that you can sprout and germinate into a healthy raspberry plant.

GN: Yeah. But what youíre saying about all this is somehow they are aware? Or they have some kind of telepathic vision to know this? To see this?

DW: Well, the bottom line is that the hologram is a complete storage of all the wavelengths that are given off by the DNA of healthy raspberries. So when you shine that hologram into the unhealthy DNA, it re-patterns the unhealthy DNA back into healthy DNA again.

GN: So are you saying if we had a hologram of someone who was sick and shine it right into, letís say his cancer, that it could defeat it?

DW: Absolutely.

GN: Amazing.

DW: In fact there was another case where ó this is Dr. Peter Gariaev ó he killed ordinary seeds with radioactivity. So these are dead seeds, radioactively killed. He shines a laser through healthy seeds, redirects it into the destroyed seeds, the destroyed seeds come back to life.

He also did it with rats. He did it with a pancreas. There was a drug that basically gives the rats diabetes. Itís called Alexan and their pancreas is destroyed. They get diabetes and die within 4 to 6 days.

GN: Okay.

DW: Then he actually did surgically remove the liver and pancreas from healthy rats and then shined the light through it into the rats that would normally have died from this toxin that would kill their pancreas and those rats just getting the light beam through healthy pancreas tissue, the pancreas completely rejuvenated.

I mean itís like the pancreas is basically dissolved. Itís gone. It disappeared. The pancreas re-grows from nothing. So, George, this is why we need to get this stuff mainstream because this technology has existed. It threatens the pharmaceutical industry. It threatens The Powers That Be to keep us healthy ó which means that if we are stronger then we can fight back.

GN: Why arenít these researchers getting grants? Why arenít these researchers getting Nobel prizes in science with these discoveries?

DW: Because first of all, these are guys in Russia and so they are safe from the kind of stuff that would happen if you tried to publish this research in the US.

GN: All right.

DW: When you try to get this kind of stuff published in the western scientific world, you get in big trouble.

GN: You get crushed.

DW: The minute that you try to file a patent for any type of free energy or anti-gravity type device that would actually work, then suddenly knock, knock, knock thereís somebody at the door and in one hand heís got money and in the other hand heís got a gun.

GN: Or if the guy opened up a clinic theyíd shut him down.

DW: Exactly. So theyíll get you for medical malpractice. Theyíll look through the last five hundred years of your tax returns and see if you ever messed up on a dollar. Like look at what just happened to Tom Daeschle, you know? So thatís how it works.

GN: Thatís a little more than a dollar, David.

DW: Well Iím teasing. But, you know.

GN: (laughs)

DW: The point is that we are in a situation now in whichÖ The greatest study is Gariaev, (GARIAEV) and hereís a guy who takes the laser beam again, shines it ó This is the same guy that did the pancreas study and the seed study. Okay? ó shines a laser beam through a salamanderís embryo and redirects it into a frogís embryo and the frog embryo completely reorganizes the DNA and turns into a salamander!

GN: Now when you say redirects it, what do you mean? Whatís he doing?

DW: Okay. If you want to drill down to the specifics, we can do that. Theyíre called retrotransposons. Theyíre little pieces of DNA that actually can break off from one area and move to another area and thus rewrite DNA code at that level.

GN: Okay.

DW: Now another thing you need to keep in mind is that DNA is only about two nanometers wide, which is down at the level in which you get wave/particle duality and all this chaos theory in quantum mechanics.

You know, SchrŲdingerís cat, and the catís dead but the catís alive in the box at the same time ó all that kind of paradoxical sounding stuff.

GN: All right.

DW: So DNA can flip-flop and what weíre seeing now is concrete evidence that you can take tumour DNA that normally we would say: Itís done, itís over itís dead. You can redirect it and make it into healthy tissue.

You can re-grow a pancreas that didnít even exist, the pancreatic DNA comes back to make the pancreas. You can actually change a frogís egg into a salamander, and visa versa.

That gets back to why there is this 62-million-year cycle that was found by Dr. Robert Rohde from UC in Berkley Ė again, scientific credible stuff. And these are species evolutions in which for 62 million years basically nothing changes on the planet.

You get these little crabs running around and then all of a sudden Ė BAM ó in a very short period of time in terms of evolution thereís this massive surge of new species.

I might add for all the people that would attribute this to catastrophe, that in some of these mass evolution events there is no sign of any type of massive change on the planet. And another thing Iíd like to point out is that 65 million years ago is the time that the dinosaurs went extinct.

GN: When we think the asteroid wiped them out.

DW: Right. There are scientists who have gone back and have calculated the planetary orbits ó and I donít have their name right in front of me ó but there was a team of guys that did this in a computer simulation.

They found that all of the planets in our solar system go completely chaotic when you try to dial it back to 65 million years ago. Thereís like some sort of nexus-point where everything got jostled up.

Thatís the scary part for the people that want to be afraid because here we are with interplanetary climate change, the sun is going nuts, the planet is going nuts, all of the other planets are going nuts.

GN: The people are going nuts.

DW: But bear in mind that what we saw the last time was a massive species evolution. Which is consistent with these cycles that are so long in duration that the only adequate explanation for it is some sort of galactic energy field.

I do not ascribe significance to a Planet X because a 62-million-year orbit is basically like, itís basically a quarter of the distance around the galaxy.

And Richard has pointed out that these are like geometric harmonics, you know, that as we orbit the galaxy weíre hitting these geometric node-points, just like your octahedron which is two Egyptian pyramids touching at the base.

Itís like ó imagine a structure like that thatís made of energy in the galaxy, and you canít see it but you can measure it with certain instruments.

GN: Iím just blown away, though, by the use of the hologram and the laser.

DW: Iíve got to say, George, when I saw thatÖ It was only like, I found this for the dowsing conference I did a while back.

GN: Yep.

DW: I was just so excited I almost jumped up and down.

GN: You always jump up and down.

DW: Well, not like Tom Cruise on Oprah. When I get on Oprah I wonít do that.

GN: (laughs) And you know what? You just might get there, too.

DW: It looks like it. Dreams have been telling me lately that thereís some really big stuff opening up and this thing with Richard is one example. Thereís a very, very substantial piece of news about my film thatís really exciting but I have to keep it completely confidential right now.

GN: And next hour, toward the end of the hour, Iím going to play a little surprise for you.

DW: Ah ha.

GN: And have you explain that.

DW: That sounds good.

GN: Something that we were able to obtain.

DW: And letís open the floodgates, man. Iím ready for the calls.

GN: All right.

DW: Whatever they want to talk about.

GN: And, David, give us your website please.

DW: Itís divinecosmos.com and you can read the transcript of our previous show there, get a lot more information. I went into all the stargate stuff and time travel and all the really esoteric things. Here I wanted to just get focused on some science that we can really prove.

GN: Over the weekend David is going to be at the Conscious Life Expo on the Valentineís Day weekend. Heís got a speech on February 15th. Iím going to be out there Saturday and Sunday as well to give some support there to David. It is in Los Angeles. You can go to the Conscious Life Expo dot com. thatís consciouslifeexpo.com to get more information. David goes all around the country speaking about many of the things youíve heard him talk about right now.

[Weíll open up the phone lines in just a moment right here on Coast to Coast AM. Iím George Noory back with David Wilcock and your calls. ó- Well this hour weíre going to take your phone calls with David Wilcock. A little surprise for him a little bit later on this hour as well. I guess it will be a surprise for you too. So back in a moment on Coast to Coast AM. And welcome back to Coast to Coast Iím George Noory. Weíve got David Wilcock this hour, your phone calls as well.]

David, we talked a little bit last time you were with us about Planet X. Since then itís come up several times. Your thoughts on that again before we go to calls.

DW: Sure. This is the most common hypothesis that people put out there for why there are these changes going on in the solar system. Now, it does appear from Zecharia Sitchinís read of whatís going on that there is a ďPlanet XĒ per se. His interpretation of the scripture from the Sumerians is that itís actually crossing into our orbits.

One of the things Iíve been trying to tell people for a long, long time is that the sun itself actually is vibrating up and down on the surface a little bit, and this is creating waves which are actually creating harmonic cavities that the planets can orbit in. They canít pop out of those cavities, and those cavities will naturally rearrange any planet that is running around into one of the slots.

So some asteroids can go through, but itís because they donít have enough mass to get captured by this right away.

But a full-sized planet is very quickly going to get captured into these concentric circular waves so to speak. So thatís one of many reasons why itís not a valid hypothesis.

Again I would also point you towards the cycles of evolution: 26 million years as determined by David Raup and James Sepkoski, these University of Chicago palaeontologists.

Dr. Robert Rohde found a more recent one: 62 million years ago. It goes all the way back to the dawn of life on Earth 542 million years ago. Very consistent.

So these are galactic changes and we can show that thereís a much higher concentration of energy in the galaxy.

Again, I have a Sunday workshop at Conscious Life Expo and a Monday workshop. Iím going to be going into all the proofÖ

GN: Man! Youíre working overtime, David.

DW: Yeah, just like you. Weíre both getting run around on this one, but itís great fun soÖ

GN: Letís go to the calls. Are you ready?

DW: Letís do it.

GN: First time caller, Layla in Westchester, New York. Youíre on Coast to Coast with us. Hi there, Layla.

Caller: Hi. Hi, George. Hi, David.

DW: Hello, Layla.

Caller: I was trying to follow originally your story about the experiment and the lasers as far as the DNA.

DW: Okay.

Caller: Iím pretty much into the radio frequency called lasers and light resonance therapy.

DW: Sure.

Caller: Is it possible that you can lay out like more information? What kind of technology are we talking about? And books?

DW: Yeah. Thatís a good question. There are a variety of technologies that actually will do this.

Now, one of the things that I did not say ó which comes up a lot in the data ó is that it appears that the energy frequencies that are actually transmitting into DNA to either heal DNA or to destroy DNA ó because Dr. Kaznacheyev another Russian scientist proved that you can beam sickness into cells as well. That all happens on the infrared frequency.

In fact, when we go back to Burlakov and that fish egg experiment I was talking about? You remember that?

GN: Yeah.

DW: Where the stronger fish eggs leach off energy from the weaker ones, and the weaker ones die?

GN: Die off. Yeah.

DW: If you put a screen so that they can still see each other, but that infrared light canít pass through, then the effect stops.

GN: Thatís interesting.

DW: So infrared light is where this energy wave is the closest to our physical reality. It doesnít mean itís in the light as much as that itís in that frequency and it bleeds through from a higher dimension at that point.

So this does get back into a lot of other things. There is something called the Rife machine which actually uses a form of tuned frequency to basically do the same thing with the DNA to out-resonate the disease and resonate in health.

Thereís a device called the SCENAR, which is commonly used in Russia, that uses an electromagnetic frequency stimulation to kind of excite torsion fields and create healing.

Thereís a lot of technologies that are out there involving LED lights that do the same thing; non-burning lasers that do the same things.

So, the point is that there is this energy all around us and it can be up to 50% responsible for the health and vitality of our bodies. Of course you still need to drink water, get sunlight, all that stuff.

But the point is, this energy frequency thatís out there can sustain life and thatís why you have cases of that guy, HRM, who says heís sun-gazing. Have you ever done a show on that, George?

GN: Sun-gazing?

DW: Yeah. People are saying that this guy is basically living off of looking at the sun.

GN: The guy who hasnít eaten anything in a zillion years.

DW: Yeah.

GN: Okay, yeah yeah.

DW: I mean eventually ó and I donít recommend anybody try this; I certainly wouldnít ó but eventually, you know, there are these non-eating saints that Paramhansa Yogananda talks about it in his book, Autobiography of a Yogi, where they can basically live off of just energy.

They donít need the typical things that the body needs because theyíve now transferred their sustenance completely over to the bio-energy.

GN: And theyíve tested him. Theyíve watched him.

DW: Oh yeah. Itís totally scientific. So, itís a vast field of enquiry here. I canít touch on it too much because weíre on the radio.

But the point is, look at the placebo effect. Look at if you believe that youíre gonna be healed that the healing happens. Nobodyís really been able to explain that. It gets back to the idea that the conscious energy of the universe works on intent.

Thereís a great study by Dr. Rene Peocíh, a French scientist, in which he took 15 baby chicks and put them in a room where there was a glass pane. In the other room, through the glass pane, is a little robot that runs on a random-number generator.

He ďbondsĒ the chicks to this robot, makes them think that the robot is their mother, and they change the way the random-number generator functions so that the robot stays right in front of the window!

They actuallyÖ their intent tells the intelligent energy field out there: Okay, change the way this computer circuit is working so that the mother will come closer.

Thatís a power that we all have within ourselves.

GN: Letís go west of the Rockies. Rob in Clovis, California. Hey Rob, welcome to the show.

Caller: Good morning, George. Good morning, David. Itís great to talk to you.

DW: Well thank you, Rob.

Caller: Iíve only got a million questions, so Iíll just start off with the first one and Iíll just kind of get to them real quick because I know thereís a whole bunch of other people want to talk to you. But, hereís my question.

In the event of a polar shift, is there any place that would be safe or that youíd recommend to go to to survive? That would be my main question.

Now hereís the next thing Iíd like you just to touch on, just a little bit of Operation Rainbow, Operation Montauk, and the Philadelphia Experiment, just for a lot of people out there that donít really know whatís going on.

And just for one last thing and then Iíll get off the air, and that is what they found in Iraq that either Saddam Hussein had acquired and they never really told us the truth about. But if you could just touch on a lot of that?

I know Iím hitting you with a million things. But, David, itís great to hear you on the radio. Youíre a real inspiration to all of us and thanks for being on this show.

DW: Well, if I need to come up with an idea for a full show on Coast, Iíll hire you!

GN: Oh yeah! Heís got it.

DW: Thatís a whole show right there. Okay, pole shift. I donítÖ this is what my guidance is telling me, and some people have attacked me for this.

But again, the thing that nobody seems to understand is that this is a frequency shift in which the part of reality that will experience pole shift is a part that hardly anybody on the planet will experience. Weíre not going to be in a physical body when that happens.

We will be in another form of a physical body that will be more akin to light. Iíve talked about this on the previous show, that itís like thereís a stargate effect that goes off throughout the whole planet. Thatís the big crescendo that all this is leading to.

The galaxy programmed life to evolve on planets. Sometimes life takes a spontaneous quantum leap, just like in these evolutionary periods I talked about where all these crabs suddenly turn into much more evolved forms of life.

The galaxyÖ We already have the evidence, man. Itís already there. You look at the past, this 26- and 62-million year cycles, and you actually see this happening.

Okay, Rainbow Project, Montauk. We did a whole show on that before. This is the idea that you can take the seat out of a UFO, crashed UFO, hook it up to a power supply and put somebody in the chair that came out of the UFO. It will then harmonize their consciousness in such a way that you can get much more elaborate things to work than you would with your normal psychic ability, including creating wormholes that will travel you both through space and time.

Itís highly controversial material and I did want to try to steer back into some science stuff this time.

Third and final question is the Looking-Glass device heís referring to in Iraq. It does appear from multiple whistleblower testimony that there is a device which is reverse-engineered from the pineal gland in the brain.

You can google 2012 Enigma, which is my movie online. Itís all over the place. Thereís like 432 copies of it on the net.

This movie describes the pineal gland being an organ which actually creates an electromagnetic shield around some very special structured water inside, and by shielding off the water, it opens that water to become a portal into time.

There is a domain where these torsion fields come from in which time is three-dimensional, and over there, you can look through time.

So the ancients apparentlyÖ the ancient Atlanteans apparently reverse-engineered the pineal gland in the brain into a workable technology which has then been inherited through secret societies and is now a workable way of looking into the future.

This is a technology that has looked towards 2012, and after 2012 all they can see is white light. The whole thing goes dead because they canít see into the reality past the one weíre in now.

Itís like the future is uncertain, but we do know from many other sources that itís going to be a very positive future.

GN: Good job, David. Letís go to Linda in Alameda, California on our Wildcard Line. Hi, Linda.

Caller: Hi, George. Hi, David. Thank you so much for taking my call.

GN: Of course.

Caller: My question involves eclipses. And I wondered if there was a spiritual or energetic significance to lunar and solar eclipses, and whether or not thereís a difference in meaning between lunar and solar eclipses.

DW: Okay. Yes. To answer your question, there is a very big difference between lunar and solar eclipses. What youíre dealing with is the fact that the torsion fields ó again, this is a non-physical energy source that moves through the time domain in which time is three dimensional. I was just talking about that.

Caller: Uh huh.

DW: These waves can only be measured where they originated and where they end up, but you canít actually see them propagate through space. Nonetheless, the stars and planets all ďgate-inĒ this energy.

The whole science of astrology actually boils down to the fact that there is energy that affects our consciousness and the angular relationships between the planets then causes various configurations to affect how we think.

Now, it is a fact in the Black Ops communities that Iíve been speaking with that they know that the moon and the sun were engineered so that that eclipse would be perfect. You know how thereís a corona around the lunar eclipse and you actually seeÖ the solar eclipse. Iím sorry. And you actually see this ring that shows up around the Moon.

GN: Uh huh.

DW: Well, thatís not an accident. Thatís the result of a designed Moon to be perfectly in harmony with the sun ó and thereís all sorts of other things we could say about that. The point is that these occultations, where one planet occults another ó meaning that they cross over each otherÖ

Richard [Hoagland] did some really great work on that regarding the transit of Venus as it was passing over the surface of the sun. He uses this little watch that has a tuning fork in it called an Accutron.

What happens is that these torsion fields actually change the way that metal binds to itself, and it changes the frequency of the tuning fork.

So when he was running his Accutron and studying down to the decimal-point how fast that little tuning fork is vibrating, and then Venus passed over the surface of the sun, there was a remarkable spike which he presents in a lot of his conferences.

Again, it terms of the specific symbolic detail of the difference between a lunar eclipse and a solar eclipse ó solar eclipses stir up the energy on Earth a lot more. Thatís why theyíre traditionally associated with the fall of kings.

Lunar eclipses are more like a short-term stopover-point for bigger events that are more akin to a solar eclipse type of thing.

GN: And Richard is listening to every word you say, David. Heís sending me messages as we speak: Going good. Good. Good job. to you.

Caller: I have an additional question ó how do they affect us as individuals?

DW: Well, thatís a very broad question. But to give a simple answer, the bottom line is that consciousness can be reduced to what I would consider to be a temperature. And when I say consciousness, in this case Iím talking more about the way that you feel emotionally inside.

So I would like to direct your attention to the idea that red would be like an increased temperature, and blue would be a decreased temperature; and that when the temperature goes up, weíre seeing red, we get ďhot under the collar.Ē

The energy on the planet is increasing and it actually makes us feel really uncomfortable, like a room that is getting really hot and sweltering.

When the energy cools down, the emotional energy of everyone on the planet cools down and it goes in more of a blue direction. We have expressions like Stay cool, or Iíve got the blues when your energyís cooling down.

So the point here is that emotional energy is not so much a private thing as you might think. In fact, if you have somebody living next door to you and they are going through a lot of stress, that stress will affect you.

But the thing is that we have a biasing mechanism in our brain that makes us think that every emotion or every thought that we have is privately generated.

One of the things that I hope to do with the movie and with the consciousness conferences Iím doing is to encourage people to think outside the box and realize that whatís going on in your mind is not entirely private.

But the best part is that a small group of people can meditate and actually lower the temperature of the whole planet.

And so thatís why you have 7000 people meditating, and itís been scientifically proven that worldwide crime fatalities and terrorism decrease by 72 percent.

So it really boils down to the fact that your emotional body is affected by this energy field and what I would consider to be the temperature of it.

GN: Okay. Next up letís go to Edward in Santa Clara, California. Edward, go ahead.

Caller: Yes. Just wondering if this hologram and laser technology could help the bumblebees that are dying off?

DW: Well, thatís a very interesting thing. The bumblebee [honey bee] die-off is a wide subject. Again, George, itís a whole show we could do just on that.

GN: Absolutely.

DW: Richard and I have put together some really fascinating material on that. The bottom line there is that it seems that whatís been going on with the bumblebees and the honey bees is that we are forcing them into building combs that are bigger than what their bodies are built for by basically creating a honeycomb for them that they then fill in.

Weíve proven that their bodies will get larger in size, which means they generate more honey and we get more product.

The problem is that if they are allowed to do what they naturally do, they build more of a harmonic structure. Itís more of a tetrahedral looking structure and the cells of the honeycomb are smaller.

If we can get back to biodynamic agriculture where weíre not giving them all the pesticides and drugs and basically trying to maximize profit by increasing their bodily size and increasing the cell size of the honeycombs, then we can actually help to stave this off.

However I will also say that it appears that another aspect of whatís going on with the honey bees does indicate a hyper-dimensional shift in whichÖ

There is a scientist we found who studied the flight patterns of honey bees, and even more specifically Ė youíve seen that dance that they do?

GN: Uh huh.

DW: That supposedly tells the other bees where to go?

GN: Mm hm. It tells the other bees where to go. Thatís right.

DW: Well, what they are actually doing as it turns out, is theyíre sketching out hyper-dimensional geometry with the movement of their body. And thatís been proven.

You can actually show these hyper-dimensional ó what are called manifolds ó in the way that they move around. What that does is, itís showing us actually that theyíre using the torsion field to navigate.

And as the Earth is shifting into this higher frequency, the grid ó the actual geometric placement of lines on the Earthís surface, which is a whole other show we could do ó that grid is shifting and therefore itís throwing them off.

So, some of this is unavoidable. Some of this could be definitely changed if we used a more biodynamic agriculture process for raising honeybees.

GN: Do you think Richard got some of his hyper-dimensional physics theories from the honeybees and from some of the patterns of what they do?

DW: Itís possible. I would have to ask him. We havenít had that discussion. But it is interesting when you look historically in esoteric like occult secret societies and stuff that the honeybee is actually a very, very powerful symbol of death and rebirth.

GN: Exactly. Very prevalent.

DW: Yes.

GN: Indeed. Weíll take other calls when we come back David plus a little surprise for you andÖ

DW: Well, Iím having a great time. Iím really enjoying this show.

GN: Are you still getting people talking about your possible reincarnation of being Edgar Cayce? Does that still happen?

DW: Well, I mean, I donít really think about it very much in my daily life becauseÖ Name one Elvis impersonator, you know?

GN: (laughs)

DW: And Iím really trying to focus on what Iím doing now, you know? But yeah, it is a really cool thing.

GN: You do look like him.

DW: Thatís true. And the astrology is a really close match, and it seems that in this DNA science weíre talking about, there is definitely a vibrational resonance. Nobody can knock that.

GN: Absolutely. Stay with us. David Wilcock our guest. Weíll come right back weíll take final phone calls plus a little surprise.

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Weíre back with author, lecturer, and researcher, David Wilcock. Letís go to Deborah in San Rafael, California. Hey Deborah, welcome to the program.

Caller: My pleasure.

GN: Sure.

Caller: Such a pleasure. Thank you. You know, Iím a great follower of both of yours. And David, when you were talking about transferring DNA?

DW: Mm hm.

Caller: Itís actually been done before ó Genesis 30:37. Jacob, when he went to his father-in-law and said: Look, Iíll take all the streaked and the spotted.

And he took what they called rods ó and I think about the pineal gland. He took rods ó poplar and hazel and chestnut ó and he streaked them, like peeling a potato? Placed them in the gutters where the herds would feed and they conceived and he eventually created all of his herds to be without blemish.

DW: Hmm.

Caller: Yeah! Very interesting. Itís in Genesis 30:37.

GN: Itís been going on for a long time, hasnít it?

Caller: Yeah. Nothing new under the sun. And the honeybee ó itís well known because the name means instinctive. They do instinctively what theyíre supposed to do.

GN: Very good.

Caller: Öand one other thing. David, you had told me to contact you with a DVD of a tape recording that was on my cell phone at one time? And Iíve tried to get it to you but I did not have an address.

DW: Sure. You can go to divinecosmos.com and then at the top of the page there is a link that says contact us, and you click on that and thereís my email address there as well as a PO Box. I just went and picked up all the mail today. Had a bumper crop of mail this time.

Yeah. So you can send me that there and I do try to at least read everything that I get. So by all means, send it along.

GN: Okay. Very good. Now were gonna take more calls with David. But first, David, I want to ask you something. Producer TomÖ

DW: Lay it on me.

GN: Öcomes running into my office a few days ago and he says: George youíve got to listen to this.

DW: (laughs)

GN: And he slaps this CD into my CD player and he turns it on and I start listening to this song. And he said: Do you like it?

And I said: Yeah. Itís good. Itís got a great tune to it. Whoís singing it? [David laughs]

And he said: Well you have to tell me that. You have to guess. [David laughs]

And I said: Come on, Tom, you know weíve had a lot of artists on the program before.

DW: Right.

GN: Thereís a lot of singers out there and I rattled off a few names. He said: Nope, nope, nope. And this is what he played:

Ooo ooo ooo I listen to you
Ooo ooo ooo you carry me through

Are you the one I met within my dreams

So it seems

A part of me

But something more

Ooo ooo ooo I listen to you

Ooo ooo ooo you carry me through

GN: And so he finally said: Thatís David Wilcock, George!
DW: Ha.

GN: And I said: Come on! It isnít. And he said: It sure is.

All right. Tell me about this. What are you doing?

DW: Well, this is a very exciting project for me because the bottom line is that we have a lot of people here who did not originate on Earth, and they came here to help.

They came here from a higher realm. They voluntarily gave up the knowledge of who they really are. They volunteered to be human.

And they need to awaken in order to fully accomplish what they came here for, which is to help really transform this planet.

Itís not doom and gloom. These are the people here that are basically like a messianic initiative. A lot of them fall into singular messianic delusion ó they think that itís all about them, and I get a lot of those emails. And everybody has a role to play.

So I decided to do a whole musical around this. Thereís 25 different songs at the kind of quality that you just played. Iím working with a nine-time Grammy-winning musician named Larry Seyer.

GN: Good for you!

DW: And we contracted a brilliant visionary artist named Andrew Jones. And you can go to my website divinecosmos.com, click on the transcript of our last show. We now have the art up there. I donít know if youíve seen that, George, but Andrew just blew my mind. Itís so stunning.

The music is incredible. I mean, itís not like thereís a bunch of filler songs. Theyíre all different.

GN: I didnít know you did this.
DW: Yeah. I grew up in a musical family. My mom teaches voice and piano. My father writes about music. Iíve met all the í80s hair metal bands and stuff, and I basically am I would say a very talented jazz drummer. I can do all the solos and all that. I always kind of pattern myself off of Phil Collins. Heís one of my big heroes.

GN: Oh yeah.

DW: My voice sounds a little like his. He started out as a drummer and then he became a lead singer and had no idea that it was gonna take off. I just feel really blessed. Larry contacted me ó the Grammy-winning musician contacted me as a result of Coast.

Three years ago we did The Science of Peace, which is our premier product, and we do have that on the site. So you can hear music that weíve already done together, but I wasnít singing.

This product is going to be out we anticipate as of April 15th. Thatís sort of like an antidote to tax day. Iíve played it for a few people and everybody thinks itís gonna be good, but nobody thinks itís gonna be as good as it actually is.

GN: Well, let me tell you. You did such a great job on this. I had an idea when I was listening to it. I told Tom to get with you and to let you executive-produce a possible Coast music CD where various Coast guests, you, Richard C. Hoagland, Lionel Fanthorpe, so many others, all do one song. Your own songÖ

DW: Ah.

GN: Öand we donate everything to charity or something. So thatís a possibility.

DW: That would be great.

GN: Letís go to the phones. Letís go to Lorraine, Ohio. Darryl, youíre on Coast. (Iíd love to see what Hoagland would say).

Caller: Yes. Hello.

GN: (laughs) Go ahead, Darryl.

Caller: Yes. Good morning, George. Glad you could take my call tonight.

GN: Sure thing.

Caller: Got a question for David. He was talking about the hologram with the laser earlier about shooting the healthy plant into the diseased plant.

DW: Thatís correct.

Caller: Is there any possible way being that it might possibly get into say, bad hands, that it could be used as a weapon of mass destruction?

DW: Well, the nice thing about this is that weíre dealing with a conscious energy field and the field is biased much more in the direction of health rather than disease.

Caller: Okay.

DW: You have to understandÖ and I keep trying to say this over and over again. We live in a highly structured reality. All of the scary-looking stuff thatís happening on the planet is not going to lead to our doom and destruction. Itís meant to shatter us out of our complacency, to realize the benefit and the value of learning love, which is really what weíre here for.

Caller: Mm hm.

DW: And so, these are the things that kind of stir us up. The Universe is not just all about smiles and happiness. The Universe will initiate youÖ

Caller: Right.

DW: Öand those initiations can be very jarring. So, insofar as if someone had the technology that could like beam some sort of disease to you, the bottom line is that unless you had already invited that into your life for whatever higher purpose it would serve for youÖ

Caller: Mm hm.

DW: Ö it wonít have an affect. And the other thing thatís really important is that if you are working through those kind of challenges, the most important healing, if you go back to the Cayce readings, is a spiritual healing.

You start with healing the emotional body, forgiving the people that hurt you in the past; really letting go of all the wounding and the pain, and then your body will magically start to get better. It really does work.

GN: Okay Darryl, thanks. Next up letís go to David in Delaware, east of the Rockies. David, go ahead.

Caller: Hi, George. Hi, David. My question is about all this new technology that youíve been talking about and what it would take to get it released here in North America. I mean, do you think that it would take like a revolution in conjunction with 2012? Maybe another civil war to kind of break up the monopolies that the big conglomerate HMOs have over the government?

DW: Well, to imply that youíre gonna get love out of violence is kind of an oxymoron. But if you look back to Ghandi, you see peaceful non-cooperation. Now letís look for example at Coast and the fact that more and more mainstream media is giving itself over to shows like this.

The Internet is swamping newspapers and television, you know. So thereís this whole movement in favour of open source, in favour of the free exchange of ideas and information.

And I think that all we really need is to spread awareness. Thatís the bottom line. When the awareness is out there in the public, these technologies are very easy.

We didnít get into it in this show but the Russians have built these pyramids that are 144 feet tall on a very steep angle. Theyíre like almost obelisks and you can put diseased cell cultures in there and it magically gets rid of the disease.

Thereís very cheap and very easy ways to harness torsion fields. Again, all you have to do really is just harness the positive attitude and from that will flow health and vitality and abundance.

GN: Okay. Very good. West of the Rockies, Cameron in Seattle. Youíre up with us. Hi, Cameron.

Caller: Itís an honor to be with you guys. Itís a miracle.

GN: Sure thing.

Caller: Back to what that guy was saying. Thomas Jefferson talked about heíd rather have a free press than a standing army and I agree with that as far as non-violenceÖ

GN: Sure.

Caller: Öand changing things for the better. Iíve been an investigator here in Seattle and Iíve been investigating for the past three years [the] four avatars; and they show up in Revelations. Theyíre the four horsemen of the apocalypse.

DW: Iím not sure what you mean by avatars, though. Are you talking about like people on My Space with a picture?

GN: No no no.

Caller: No Iím talking about people that complete a life cycle.

DW: I was being facetious but I want to get into more detail. Okay.

GN: Almost like a divine creation, basically.

Caller: Iím serious about this subject but usually Iím a very funny person.

DW: Okay.

Caller: So Iím just trying to finish my sentence. So my theory is that the four horsemen of the apocalypse have manifested into form, and they are architects living in Seattle, Washington, and I used to work for them.

And itís not a bad thing. Like you guys said, youíve got to think about the positive. But if people want to investigate it more, itís Oscaarchitects.com.

DW: Well, we certainly donít want to be accused of slander or libel here. I respect your opinion and it is true that we are seeing archetypes playing themselves out in the human consciousness.

Weíre seeing people assuming archetypal personages as we get closer and closer to this massive convergence event. And as Richard loves to say so often: The good are getting better and the bad are getting worse.

Thereís more and more of a discrepancy between people who are on the path and people who are off the path.

GN: And weíre right in the middle of all of it right now.

DW: Yes.

GN: Right in the middle of it. Where are you gonna be December 21, 2012?

DW: Probably sitting in the backyard with a carpet waiting for it to start rising. (laughs)

GN: With a phone hooked in to Coast to Coast because weíve got a Friday night program.

DW: Thatís right. And weíll have a blood pressure monitor and pulse monitor and figure out if I suddenly turn into a light being will I still have a heartbeat. [laughs]

GN: First time caller Michael in Knoxville, Tennessee, youíre up with David Wilcock. Hi there, Michael.

Caller: Iím doing great. This is awesome. Iím enjoying the conversation you guys are having right now. I love you, David Wilcock. Iíve been keeping up with you for a long time. Thank you, George, for theÖ

GN: Absolutely.

Caller: Öopportunity. I just wanted to start off by talking a little bit about the vibration of the Earth as itís rising. I think itís been rising for a lot longer than weíve been looking at it, at a micro level ó back in the í20s even ó and thatís why a lot of the world wars and stuff were going on. They were trying toÖ

DW: I completely agree.

Caller: Ö I know and I see thatís been going on. And as weíre getting closer, my dreams have been getting more and more ramped up. I have a lot of dreams, kind of like you do, but theyíre more rapid and really erratic and itís hard for me. I donít write them down either, and thatís something that I should do, but I donít do it, but I memorized a lot of them. Theyíre getting wilder.

But going back towards the conversation, I wanted to talk to you about the DNA structure that you were talking about earlier. The 64 tech as we look at it, the nucleic acids, if they donít move and the other particles do moveÖ

Like you were saying something about particles moving, and it just kind of came to me in my pineal gland. If they move, those are the ones that probably will give us levitation and things of that nature, or extraordinary abilities. Iím not saying it will be levitation or anything, but I look at it on that level. Do you see it kind of like that?

DW: Well, I think that insofar as the DNA molecule is a conduit, an antenna for hyper-dimensional energy, that these DNA shifts do seem to lead to what we would call ascended abilities.

In other words, the more that you look at ancient mystics and gurus and people who have really developed themselves through years of dedicated meditation, they do end up having some really phenomenal abilities.

And I think again ó just like you could become a non-eating saint and not have to use food anymore and live off the energy ó the more that you understand that everything around you is yourself, that there is no partition between self and other, whether that other is a person or whether itís the chair that youíre sitting in right now, then as they said in The Matrix: Itís not you that moves, itís the universe around you basically. You are the universe and by directing your intent, the motion will happen.

It does seem that post-2012 that these abilities will come much more naturally to us and thatís very exciting.

GN: David, I take it you believe in a Divine Creator? Some type?

DW: Absolutely.

GN: Okay.

DW: Yeah. I think that what weíre really looking at here, George, is a universe in which weíre being guided. The synchronicities and all the people that come into our lives and all the love that weíve given is love that comes back to us many times over.

Weíre in a structured reality. We think that itís real, but yet we can see that thereís a law of karma ó if you do bad things, bad things happen to you.

And all of this is leading to a very positive outcome for everyone, in which we will experience abilities such as telekinesis, time travel, all sorts of things that right now would seem to be miraculous but yet weíre seeing them in more and more movies. Itís like we are all being prepared for this.

GN: It does seem that way, doesnít it?

DW: Yeah, and I really have a positive view of it because as the caller was just saying here, this is something thatís been building up. Weíve seen society completely change with all the advance of technology and weíre building up to something. Itís not over, by any means.

GN: Letís go to Warren in Indian River, Michigan. It isnít over, Warren. Weíll take your call.

Caller: Hi. Thank you, David, for being on the show. I think that you and I have a lot in common. I am into heavy metal or the hair bandsÖ

DW: (laughs)

Caller: Öbut I was trained in jazz on the guitar and in the saxophoneÖ

DW: Very good.

Caller: Öwith Dizzy Gillespie Ö

GN: Whoa!

Caller: Ö Buddy Rich, and even Count Bassie twiceÖ

GN: The classics.

DW: Wow! Thatís excellent.

Caller: But anyway Iím really interested in the things that you have to say about the pineal gland and how important that is, especially the aspect of having the retina type cells in that pineal gland. And also, we look almost identical, and I read almost every single Edgar Cayce book when I was young. And I read all of the books about telekinesis, life after life, life after deathÖ

DW: Right.

Caller: Öall these other things. But what I wanted to ask you was something that has not come up on any person thatís talking about 2012.

GN: All right. Go for it, Warren. I only have a minute left.

Caller: Itís an election year. Itís a US presidential election year.

DW: Thatís absolutely correct.

Caller: What do you think about that?

DW: Well, I think that weíre very fortunate that Obamaís the president because the last four years before we have this thing happen, it would be really nice if we had a disclosure. And people can actually help to change that process.

The best thing to do is actually to send faxes. Thatís what I learned for Dr. Greer. You can fax your senators and congressmen. Let íem know that youíre tired of the UFO cover-up. You want to know the truth. Youíre ready for the truth and itís got to come out in the open because this administration, as Richard has been saying, allows us to write our own ticket.

GN: Well, letís see. Okay? Letís see, David.

DW: Absolutely and all of us here on Coast and the guests and you, George, and everybody, this could be a great boon for us if we had some disclosure.

GN: Absolutely, absolutely. You know this is a time for some monumental things to change on this planet and weíll see what happens. I donít think a stimulus bill is the right way to do it to start, but hey, weíll see.

David my friend, I will see you next weekend at the Conscious Life Expo in LA.

DW: Iím looking forward to it and I hope everybody will show up because this is gonna be a hit-it-out-of-the-park kind of PowerPoint with over 300 slides and itís just gonna blow your mind.

GN: Well, if youíre as good as youíve been in past lectures, this will be a homerun.

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