Trusted News Trader
© Where truth comes into play
TrustedNewsTrader.com
DEALING WITH THE ALIEN PRESENCE; A TWO PART OVERVIEW OF MAJESTIC TWELVE, THE OLD & THE NEW.

A TWO PART OVERVIEW OF THE TWO U.S. SECRET GOVERNMENTS;

(ONE) THE ORIGINAL MJ12;

FROM THE PRESIDENCIES OF TRUMAN & EISENHOWER THROUGH CLINTON; AND(TWO) THE NEW MJ12;

THE ERA BEGINNING WITH THE PRESIDENCY OF BUSH 43 TO THE PRESENT OBAMA PRESIDENCY.

INTRODUCTION

THE THOUGHT OF A SECRET U.S. GOVERNMENT IS ONE OF THE SUPPRESSED TRUTHS THAT MOST U.S. CITIZENS REMAIN UNAWARE OF JUST AS IS THE TRUTH CONCERNING THE ROSWELL INCIDENT AND THE ALIEN PRESENCE ON EARTH AT THIS TIME OF DENSITY TRANSITION AND TRANSFORMATION OF A PORTION OF OUR SUN, THE MOON, EARTH AND THE MORTAL LIFEFORM NOW EXISTING AS THE HOMINOID ANIMAL WE KNOW A “MAN.”

PART ONE: THE ORIGINAL MJ12

FROM TROUBLED TIMES (ZetaTalk)

The Secret Government, MJ12 Fact and Fiction
http://www.zetatalk.com/index/what0919.htm

The three factors in place influencing alien contact with the US Military. Omnipotent Krlll and Roswell, two different approaches to establishing contact and their results. Alien technology, what really happened at crash sites such as the crash at Kecksburg. Truth or fiction regarding the Montauk Project, Project Prometheus, the Philadelphia Experiment, and HAARP generated earthquakes. How power outages were effected and why these occurred decades ago but are no longer happening. Formal agreements aliens had with MJ12, such as registering contactees during off-Earth trips and whether these agreements are still in effect. How the Zeta influenced over MJ12 resulted in the rash of movies about global cataclysms. The CIA influence over MJ12, and likewise the tentacles MJ12 has into the rest of the US government. MJ12/CIA programs such as drug running and harassing contactees and handing over citizens for experimentation. How MJ12 governed, the current structure of MJ12, and how and when MJ12 can cease to exist.

The Life and Death of MJ12, What Where They Up To?
http://www.zetatalk.com/index/what0823.htm

Where space ships reversed engineered, and what went on at Area 51? Who crashed the ship at Kecksberg. Alien technology, in the hands of American corporations? Bob Lazar's tale, true or false? The crash at Roswell, who lived and died. What the Omnipotent Krlll says about good and evil in the Universe. The CIA's influence over MJ12 in the early days, and where this led. How and why power outages occurred in the past, and why they have stopped! MJ12 atrocities under the CIA - experiments on street people and missing babies. MJ12 and aliens and the coming pole shift disasters in the movies, the MJ12 influence on Hollywood. How MJ12 was misused for personal gain of members, and the repercussions. Did the CIA run drugs to fund MJ12? How MJ12 operates within the federal government, its many tentacles. The leaked MJ12 documents, is there truth in them? MJ12 projects - Philadelphia Experiment, Montauk, Prometheus, and Alternatives 1, 2, and 3. MJ12 membership, who gets inducted? The day MJ12 disbanded, and why.
Mail this Page to a Friend.

ZetaTalk: Agreements, Note: written by Jul 15, 1995
http://www.zetatalk.com/govmt/g15.htm

In discussing our agreements with the United States governments, we are restrained by these very agreements, which include a promise not to divulge almost everything. However, we are literal, and we feel free to use our discretion in discussing points not specifically covered in this agreement. In addition, lately your government has lifted many restraints on us, freeing us from our prior agreement on certain points, in step with the current mood in Washington, which is to declassify much and leak more, thus speeding the Awakening.

We, the Service-to-Other Zetas, have a formal agreement with the United States government. The agreement is verbal, but we honor it impeccably as to do otherwise would build distrust. It is in everyone's interest for trust to exist between ourselves and your government, as this deflects their need and desire to get in bed with the Service-to-Self crowd, which they were doing in the past. Our agreement is under constant change, based on regular weekly meetings which occur each Wednesday morning. The location or attendees are not something we can divulge. The scope of our joint activities also is under constant change.

There are some items we can quickly mention which are not in the scope. Disinformation has been spread to the extent that we, the Zetas, are conducting cattle mutilations because we need the enzymes to live. This is totally false, as we manufacture what we need. Nor do we have an agreement by which the government stays silent about our presence while we abduct and run experiments on humans. We do not need your government's agreement to answer The Call, nor would a widespread awareness of our presence affect us one way or the other. The hybrid program would continue regardless of anything your government would do.

Activities that are in the scope of our present agreement are a travel service, whereby we transport those members of your government to and from meetings on the alien presence, and for any other activities that MJ12 deems important. In this support, we do not interject our opinions on the use of this travel service. This offer, which we have steadfastly maintained for some decades now, was made so that your government would have an alternative to their association with the Service-to-Self crowd. Our foresight in the matter has paid off, as your government has recently begun to sever all ties to this alien orientation, and the pace is picking up. This was our fervent hope, and we are elated at this outcome. Another activity we are jointly involved in is an education program, whereby we introduce key members of your government to beings from other worlds, their cultures, and their philosophies. We also introduce them to some citizens who carry Zetan genetics, whom we consider to have joint citizenship because of this, by birthright. We have learned that your government in the main just wants to know, and not be the last to know.

A most important activity that has recently begun is in the area of advancements in science and industry that will benefit all mankind. As we have explained, we do not give technological assistance to those giving The Call unless we are assured by the circumstances that the technology will not be misused. Due to recent trends, our confidence in this area has increased, and we are in partnership with your government on many projects which do not involve weapons and which can not be stifled due to establishment interests. We cannot give you all the details on this at the present time, as the familiar saying that a watched pot won't boil is so very true in this circumstance. What is developing threatens so many interests that the last thing these projects need is publicity. You would never guess where this work is progressing, nor by whom. It is too improbable, and that is by design on our part.
All rights reserved: ZetaTalk@ZetaTalk.com

Mail this Page to a Friend.
ZetaTalk: Omnipotent Krlll, Note: written by Jul 15, 1995
http://www.zetatalk.com/govmt/g12.htm

One of the first aliens in the Service-to-Self orientation to contact the United States government was a member of the alien race from Orion, who called himself the Omnipotent Krlll. He had studied human societies, or rather had his lackeys do this study, and concluded that a guttural name that sounded like a growl would most induce fear. Thus the concocted name. One should take note that it also sounds similar to the word kill, also not by accident. This alien greatly impressed the military officers who met him, in that he understood their need for order and hierarchy, their concept of command by the most powerful and well connected, and their willingness in the main to sell out sections of the populace for any gain in power and might they might attain. As he was firmly in the Service-to-Self, they were in effect speaking his language. He was at home.

Krlll set to work disinforming the military as best suited his ultimate aim. As he wished to conquer them, he told them they were in charge. They bought it. As he wished their cooperation, he told them they would receive technology in exchange. They bought it. After all these years, not much has come from this vaunted meeting with the Omnipotent Krlll. His disinformation has been unraveled, bit by bit, so that any information he provided has essentially been discarded. However, there are still information pools formed essentially from this source that have not dried up. They refuse to be silenced, and repeat the same silly stories time and again. These sources have a life of their own, having sensed that the information comes directly from the government, having been convinced and even deliberately impressed with this fact long ago, so they are still infused with desire to get the word out. Attempting to counter these enthusiasts only seems to energize them. The story lives on like an echo that will not die.
All rights reserved: ZetaTalk@ZetaTalk.com

Mail this Page to a Friend.
ZetaTalk: NASA, Note: written on Nov 15, 1995
http://www.zetatalk.com/govmt/g31.htm

Why does NASA, a supposedly independent organization, cooperate with MJ12 by failing to scrutinize the surface of Mars and the Moon, or at least failing to allow the American public to so scrutinize? NASA is not the same as MJ12. NASA is a separate entity. They of course are influenced by MJ12 who has members within the NASA hierarchy, but they function, just as the Post Office does, as separate from MJ12. But are they not a servant of the taxpayer, supported by American tax dollars as they are?

The myth that government is accountable to the people is disproved daily in the news, and organizations under contract to the government have even less accountability. Think of NASA as you do your neighbor or grocer. They try not to break the law or get caught at it when they do, but beyond that how they lead their lives has nothing to do with you. You, the taxpayer, are to be ignored and manipulated for their comfort and convenience. They worry not about you because you must pay your taxes and they have their hand firmly in the till. With this in mind, why would they lie?

Where NASA may not be accountable to the people, they are accountable to the Pentagon and the dollars it controls. Money talks. MJ12 is dominated by the military, a fact established from its inception. The same top military leaders that dominate MJ12 also dominate the Pentagon and its budget process. End of story.
All rights reserved: ZetaTalk@ZetaTalk.com

Mail this Page to a Friend.
ZetaTalk: President Kennedy, Note: written on Nov 15, 1996
http://www.zetatalk.com/govmt/g80.htm

President John F. Kennedy was killed under orders of MJ12 as he was threatening to tell the American public the truth about Roswell. JFK was of the opinion that the public would accept the fact of the alien presence without undue panic, but in those days MJ12 was still affronted with the personalities and actions of the Service-to-Self aliens that the CIA, as an arm of MJ12, continually made alliances with. JFK believed in the strength of the human spirit, in its ability to sort things out, and in any case felt the public had the right to know what they were facing. The CIA wanted the knowledge they hoped to get from the Service-to-Self aliens who were playing them along, and they wanted this knowledge for themselves and themselves only. Thus, they used their influence with MJ12, which in those days was considerable, to press for JFK's assassination, which they were allowed to implement when the order was finally given.

MJ12 has recently released us from our agreement to remain silent on the Kennedy assassination. This agreement to remain silent covered certain matters involving the Secret Government and the alien presence. Should humans be incensed by this, that we knew something they desired to know but would not share the information, they should contemplate what life might be like without our having an agreement with the government. In this situation, only the Service-to-Self aliens would be communicating, having as you say the inside track. Such was the situation when we first encountered your government, which had been vastly misinformed and was engaged in all manner of harmful practices under the influence of the Service-to-Self crowd. This has now turned around, but we are honorable in our agreements, and a promise made was to be a promise kept.

The JFK incident is one which hardened and increased the determination to keep elected officials in the dark as much as possible about the existence and activities of MJ12. Given that the US is a democracy and could potentially elect a dark horse written in on the ballot, such stringent rules about non-disclosure kept elected officials from the danger of being killed. Prior to JFK, presidents and other elected officials were already being kept in the dark, a decision made by an exiting president who did not want a rival political party granted such knowledge. JFK learned what he did due to leaks, shared this with a girl friend long known to be so reliant on sedatives that she could be expected to murmur forth this information with the next man who shared her pillow, and argued incessantly with MJ12 representatives who came to visit him under other pretenses.
All rights reserved: ZetaTalk@ZetaTalk.com

Mail this Page to a Friend.
ZetaTalk: Enron, Note: recorded during the March 16, 2002 Live ZetaTalk IRC Session.
http://www.zetatalk.com/rules/r53.htm

The Rule of Non-Interference states that aliens cannot interfere in mankind's affair unless The Call is given so that consultation with a human results in action. Thus, for instance, ZetaTalk, composed of thousands of pages now, answering thousands of questions from humans, which are considered The Call. In that our arrangement with MJ12 was allowed by the Council, to balance a trick maneuver the Service-to-Self aliens visiting the US military just ahead of the Earth Vote which resulted in a "not conscious" rule re visitations, our open discussions with MJ12 were allowed. Balancing the environment for Service-to-Other and Service-to-Self deliberations among 3rd Density entities is not new, as for instance the giant hominoids from the 12th Planet were put into quarantine, removed from Earth, to effect this balance.
Even without the New MJ12, the Enron revelations might have occurred via contactees. If a contactee is distressed, wringing their hands, over a situation, and give The Call, and we inform them as a result of what information might be most damaging, when given to whom, then a contactee might have effected the Enron scandal. As it happened, the humans within the New MJ12 effected this, by a computer snafu whereby information supposedly deleted was instead mailed and broadcast. This was done by humans hands, and thus we, the Zetas, did not interfere.
All rights reserved: ZetaTalk@ZetaTalk.com

Mail this Page to a Friend.
ZetaTalk: Taken, Note: written during the Dec 14, 2002 Live ZetaTalk IRC Session.
http://www.zetatalk.com/awaken/a130.htm

Spielberg produced, in the past, the ET movie, Close Encounters, and was know to be ET friendly in this regard. A Star Child, well versed in his past life experiences and educated in his present incarnation with the variety of life forms and the rules the Universe operate under, he was here on a mission. It was announced that ET would be re-released in theaters this past summer, but this did not occur, merely a CD version for sale. Instead, in the manner of recent film releases, Taken was produced, obvious from the commercials to be akin to the message given by ID4 and Signs. The aliens are here to eat you, takeover the planet, but mankind going into hand-to-hand combat with aliens can win the day! This tone in the recent movies is reflective of what is being allowed to be presented to the public, via Hollywood, which does indeed get censored by the powers in the White House.

So how would Spielberg, given his message, but only allowed to produce a movie in line with the anti-alien strong-arm tactics in place since the Bush administration assumed a virtual Martial Law of the media, tell the truth? Nancy had been asked about this, before it was aired, and simply stated via email to wait to see what Spielberg would do with the series. In other words, the commercials would not forecast the ultimate message, and they did not. There is a mixture of truth and fiction, as usual in the movies.

CIA/MJ12
Truth is primarily about the government role, their agenda, from start to end. Shown as ambitious for the technology, coveting this for themselves in elite groups, and keeping the truth from the public. Truth in that the CIA, highly influential to the point of dominating MJ12 in the early days, would experiment on humans suspected of being contactees or use military personnel like lab rats. Truth in assassinations freely done, by those in the Secret Government, outside of the official rules the Governing Board operated under, but allowable under the need-to-know secrecy that kept most operations from being discovered.

Contactees
Spielberg was allowed to display the government, the CIA, with this degree of truth as he presented the contactee experience as taken, an abduction. But look to the actual effect or real contactees! Even in the contactee support group, the rampaging gunman was not a contactee, but someone abused and angry and looking for attention in his denial of his actual childhood abuse. Contactees, while screaming and enraged at being taken, later were presented, to a one, as having integrity, being loving and protective of others, and basically in the Service-to-Other orientation.

Zetas
And what about the agenda of the aliens, clearly presented as Zetas. They are shown cooperating with honest requests, as the MJ12 agent wanting to see his dead father again, even at the sacrifice of the Zeta life in this cooperation. They are shown as wanting hybrids, which is a truth, although the real reasons for the hybrid program were disguised into scientific curiosity rather than in step with the Transformation of the Earth. It was implied that humans died under their hand, during early DNA or hybrid attempts. This is a falsehood insofar as human devastation, but not insofar as Hybrid devastation, as our early attempts were often failures, and those incarnating souls living out their lives, by choice, in diminished bodies as a result. The Zetas are shown as being protective of their hybrids, a truth.

Thus, in the end, the general tone comes across as pro Zeta as scientists, pro hybrid as strongly Service-to-Other, pro contactee as high integrity and self sacrificing and protective of others, and anti CIA and MJ12 in their human agendas and ruthless actions! Not bad, Spielberg, while operating under gun fire and with an almost impossible agenda to achieve!
All rights reserved: ZetaTalk@ZetaTalk.com

TROUBLED TIMES (ZetTalk)

ZetaTalk Section

MJ12 Documents
http://www.zetatalk.com/theword/tworx123.htm

On July 15, 1996 ZetaTalk stated that the MJ12 Documents released were only half truths and would be discredited in time. On Jan 28, 2000 this was reported by Spynet.

Research Synopsis On The Majestic Documents

By Timothy S. Cooper, Jan 28, 2000

In as much as the controversy surrounding the authenticity of the Majestic documents has generated in the last fifteen years among researchers, much evidence in the form of officially released documents through the Freedom of Information Act has either been ignored, or viewed as uninteresting by ufologists. In this synopsis, I argue the theory that FOIA documents in the public domain are the remnants of a high level UFO intelligence and psychological warfare program of the United States Government which began in 1946 and the Majestic documents reflect what might be a overt part of such a program. I also present documented proof that General Walter B. Smith, Director of Central Intelligence was the first DCI to preside over and coordinate all intelligence collection and dissemination functions of the U.S. intelligence community where UFO's played into psychological and intelligence operations in protecting U.S. strategic interests.

Contrary to popular belief, a coordinated program of UFO intelligence collection between the military and central intelligence began with General Hoyt S. Vandenberg in 1946 and was never properly implemented during Rear Admiral Roscoe Hillenkoetter's tenure as first Director of the Central Intelligence Agency due to the infighting between RHH and the Intelligence Advisory Board (IAB) dominated by high level military intelligence and State Department officials and did not begin until WBS was appointed DCI in October 1950. Also, given the fact that there may have been more than one Majestic project operating at two different levels, one conducted by the State Department and another by the CIA, it is possible that what researchers have studied is a hybrid mixture of both.

I propose that the questionable documents known as Majestic or MJ-12 are extrapolations from covert and overt intelligence and psychological material that may have once existed but have long since been absorbed into today's unacknowledged black programs and are now gone forever. In summary, the Majestic documents are, in all probability, an attempt by an informed person(s) to reconstruct for researchers a historical narrative based on non-existent and authentic documents supported by published facts with classic disinformation techniques in what is termed in counterintelligence parlance as "gray" intelligence. The question of whether they are genuine, authentic or real is not the issue here. The important point to keep in mind, as I believe, is the information contained in the documents themselves. For in these documents and the FOIA material already released, and the published facts contain the answers we all seek. The truth may be found in our individual perceptions.

Mail this Page to a Friend!
ZetaTalk: MJ12 Documents, Note: written on Aug 15, 1996
http://www.zetatalk.com/govmt/g68.htm

A still hotly debated topic is the validity of what are purported to be documents from MJ12, dating back to President Truman's era. These carefully manufactured documents are authentic enough in appearance to convince many that they are real, yet flaws exist that have others convinced they are a fraud. Both situations are true, as the documents are what could be termed a half truth. The release of these documents, the content of which is false, was intended to be a leak by the government that would hasten the Awakening of the populace to the alien presence. Where the documents line up with the facts is in the existence of MJ12, periodic meetings in secret, and in those days the involvement of the President of the United States. Where the documents part from the truth is where they give the impression that MJ12 was a fleeting response, that the matters they addressed were limited in scope, or that they were almost casual about dealing with the alien presence and what this would mean for humanity.

MJ12 has been in the process of unburdening themselves of their tightly kept secrets from some time. This will never, frankly, in our opinion, be a complete bearing of the truth, but increasing mixing in of truth into semi-truths, which are just as effective and in some cases are preferable to the harsh reality of stark truth in that people can gradually become acclimated. They have a revelation. They read it. They sense some truth to this. Then it's debunked a bit. It's all a question. It's much under discussion. And in all of this, people really come to accept the reality. They think about it without having to adjust too harshly. This makes for a faster assimilation of the truth, and this is the route that MJ12 is using because they well understand this mechanism. Therefore, there is some truth mixed in with new documents, and increasingly this will be the case.

In the past, this information was presented in this manner with a small grain of truth and a great deal of brutal discrediting of the messenger. This pattern is increasingly going to be pleasant conversation without the brutality, but no one will actually know how much is true and not.
All rights reserved: ZetaTalk@ZetaTalk.com

Mail this Page to a Friend!
ZetaTalk: MJ12 Service, Note: written on Jul 15, 1996
http://www.zetatalk.com/govmt/g63.htm

MJ12 is less than 2,000 strong. The membership can be put to death if they reveal the existence of MJ12 or any information that they have learned through membership in MJ12. In addition, they are barred from making personal profit from the information they learned. This is no idle death threat. This occurs at least yearly. Dozens of individuals have been swiftly put to death from breaching this. Most government employees or contractors who serve MJ12 have no idea who the recipient of their service is. MJ12 operates out of various intelligence agencies, which all go on a need to know basis. If one delivers a package from point A to Point B, or researches the background of a civilian, does one need to know why this service is required?

As a general rule, MJ12 does not even allow active members of MJ12, those who know they are working for this arm of the government, to come in contact with aliens. Where we provide a travel service as part of our agreement with MJ12, the humans being transported never encounter the pilots. They walk up a ramp, enter an empty room, the door closes and shortly reopens at the destination. No contact. We are in telepathic contact with our human counterparts and learn of the itinerary in this way. Where only a small, select group within MJ12 has knowledge of travel by space ship, an even smaller group actually has contact with aliens. These individuals are subject to a battery of psychological tests and field trials, and are characteristically highly stable individuals. They are essentially unflappable. As with MJ12 in general, one does not chose these careers, they are chosen.

How many of the less than 2,000 MJ12 members know of the coming pole shift? Few actually know that the 12th Planet is inbound. People know small portions of the truth, and they are told to make plans, to prepare, for the likelihood of this or that, without being told with certainty. But nevertheless the general anxiety is rising. There is the sense that something is up, that the full story is not being told, and increasingly people are reacting to this.
All rights reserved: ZetaTalk@ZetaTalk.com

Mail this Page to a Friend.
ZetaTalk: Zeta/MJ12 Goals, Note: written on Oct 15, 2000
http://www.zetatalk.com/govmt/g119.htm

How do we, the Service-to-Other Zetas, fit into the MJ12 programs, and where do we clash or meld? We have agreements with MJ12 that are well spelled out so there is no wiggle room, but these almost entirely state what we are NOT to do, such as touch or influence MJ12 operatives who are to be deemed as utterly independent from our influence. We are also NOT to reveal the content of our agreements, unless given leave to do so by MJ12. Our travel service agreement, whereby we allow MJ12 operatives to use our space ships and provide a cloat for their activities, is also bound by rules whereby we do NOT interfere with any activities, which are under the control, solely, of the MJ12 operatives using the service. However, we have our own programs, and at times these mesh well with MJ12’s goals, and we collaborate.

. Where the hybrid program is our’s alone, we allow MJ12 on occasion to interact with hybrids and if the contactee is willing, with the human donors of genetic material that produced the hybrids. We have found that this meshes with the MJ12 goal of furthering the Awakening, as it is a preview of what humans can expect, and is a reassurance in this regard. Do MJ12 members play with hybrid children, and work side-by-side with hybrid adults. Absolutely, and frequently.

• The Awakening, whereby the public becomes increasingly aware of the alien presence, and comfortable with this, is most definitely a joint program. This likewise is out of the hands of MJ12, as the Awakening would take place with or without them and they do not influence its course, but in that MJ12 wishes to facilitate the Awakening, we at times alert them to an important occurrence, so they can arrange media support of the announcement. This is something we cannot detail, as MJ12’s involvement in this is very covert, and is to remain that for the benefit of the Awakening process. We can, nor will, say any more about this subject.

• Developing what Nancy calls “solution sets”, clear-cut and simple steps a surviving family can take to maintain health and safety, as well as comfort and a sense of well-being. This has become a dominant theme of Troubled Times, and a predominant mission of the nonprofit arm of Troubled Times. MJ12 has long grieved over their impotence to help humanity though the coming times, and had resigned themselves to alerting the populace to the extent this could be done without inducing widespread and heated panic. The simple solutions put forth by Troubled Times have surprised and delighted them, but there are no crash programs that the government could initiate that would greatly add to the list already known and published. Thus, this is a joint program in the heart, only, at this time.

. Pollution abatement, in particular nuclear pollution or its potential during the coming pole shift, is a very active joint project. We have provided MJ12 with a means of eliminating radiation by chemical means, as surprising as that may sound. The slow breaking down of nuclear poisons by half life can be expedited as this is simply a arrangement in the atoms, which as any student of chemistry knows can be bound or altered by a neighboring atom. This is a joint program we can only lightly discuss, and can say no more than we have at present.
All rights reserved: ZetaTalk@ZetaTalk.com

Mail this Page to a Friend.
ZetaTalk: MJ12 Call, Note: written Nov 15, 1995
http://www.zetatalk.com/call/c33.htm

No alien/human activity occurs without humans first giving The Call, but in the case of military involvement with aliens this can be confusing. If a general gives The Call and enters into an arrangement with aliens, can he command others to go along? In fact both rule systems are in place simultaneously, and here's how it works. Members of the military who are initiated into MJ12 follow a plethora of rules and regulations just as any military intelligence unit does.

They also, on occasion, come in contact with aliens. During these interchanges the rules in place go beyond those in place during the usual alien/human contact where the human can allow physical contact or disallow this, delimiting the interchange. MJ12 agreements with aliens of either orientation have always included the caveat that aliens can not physically affect the humans assigned to MJ12 duty, even if the human wishes for this, or gives permission, or even demands this.
All rights reserved: ZetaTalk@ZetaTalk.com

ZetaTalk: MJ12 Groups, Note: written on Apr 15, 1996
http://www.zetatalk.com/govmt/g47.htm

MJ12 does not operate in a vacuum, as a standalone, off-the-books, agency. It has tentacles whereby it reaches out to gather information and accomplish its goals. MJ12 is the administrative hub, where policy decisions are reached and the center where key contacts with the outside world are maintained. However, it would be short-sighted indeed, in that those in its hierarchy have parallel positions within the federal bureaucracy, to not use those very bureaucracies. In fact, given the structure of MJ12, it is only natural. Without being specific, we will enumerate some of those tentacles.

• The military branches all have intelligence units, which are skilled in various degrees at electronic snooping, interrogation techniques, and undercover activities. Individuals from these units are assigned to a stint of duty to MJ12, just as they are assigned to secret missions, and are no more prone to talk about these assignments than those involving any other - you hear about none of it.

Both the FBI and CIA have vast pools of information on corporations, individuals, and groups running under the many different charters that can exist in human society. These intelligence agencies have formal arrangements with MJ12, who has but to ask for this information for it to be delivered, pronto.
• Military installations include many complexes held in abeyance, just in case. Land and buildings are hard enough to come by in times of plenty, and during cut backs are not released, in the main. Idle facilities in remote areas are ideal for temporary use by active MJ12 members, who are almost invariably from the military.

Should the reader find this astonishing - that federal employees are regularly dealing with MJ12 yet the public hears at most rumors of this activity - they should bear in mind the following. Intelligence groups, and the military in general, operate on a need to know basis. This rule is in place to prevent covert operations from being carelessly exposed, the enemy from learning of plans, and to a small degree to prevent the public from learning what the government is really up to. Also, when services are performed for MJ12, these services are not distinguishable from normal, everyday services. The requests don't have MJ12 stamped in big bright letters on the front, they come wrapped in commonplace covers, and thus raise little suspicion.

All rights reserved: ZetaTalk@ZetaTalk.com

Mail this Page to a Friend.
ZetaTalk: MJ12 Mouthpiece, Note: written on Dec 15, 1995
http://www.zetatalk.com/govmt/g39.htm

MJ12 is highly interested in ZetaTalk, as it has potential for harm or good, in their opinion. We, the Zetas, thrash this out with MJ12 behind the scenes. There are some matters that we cannot discuss, being restrained by the Rules of Engagement, as aliens in the Service-to-Self are actively involved. Where this comes up on ZetaTalk we so state the reason for our reticence. There are some matters that we cannot discuss due to our long-standing agreements with MJ12, and we have likewise so stated this as our reasons for reticence when this has come up on ZetaTalk.

But there are many times when we give but a partial response, holding back from full disclosure because MJ12 has, in essence, edited our statement. This takes the form, invariably, of a lack of details, who did that, when and where. We refer to military intelligence units without being specific. We refer to the leadership of MJ12 being composed primarily of bureaucrats holding parallel leadership titles, without being specific. Most certainly we do not name names. If we mention that deaths have occurred to maintain silence we most often do not say who was so assassinated, nor do we name the assassin. We stay as general as need be to placate MJ12, but as specific as need be to describe the situation. In the end, both our motives and the motives of MJ12 are served. These motives are not a secret - they are mentioned frequently within ZetaTalk.

Where we wish for the Awakening and Transformation to proceed as quickly as possible, MJ12 has also moved to this stance, having realized that this cannot be stopped and that suppressing the truth only allows the lies spread by those in the Service-to-Self orientation to prevail. Where we fervently wish for humans to understand the control they have over visits from aliens, MJ12 likewise dearly wants this message out, having been duped themselves by aliens in the Service-to-Self. Where we wish to warn humans of the cataclysms which will accompany the pending pole shift, MJ12 likewise cannot bear to think of the million of innocents who will be taken by surprise only because the word did not get out. At a minimum, they wish for the possibility of an approaching pole shift to be much under discussion. Therefore, in a manner of speaking, ZetaTalk is an MJ12 mouthpiece - not because MJ12 controls ZetaTalk, but because it does not suppress it or shut it down. This is also true of many other education vehicles, increasingly, as the Awakening progresses.
All rights reserved: ZetaTalk@ZetaTalk.com

Mail this Page to a Friend!
ZetaTalk: MJ12 Perks, Note: written on Apr 15, 1996
http://www.zetatalk.com/govmt/g54.htm

As with any high stakes arena, infractions against the rules are attempted on occasion by those who have been read the riot act but nevertheless give it a try. These individuals tend to be those who cheated on exams at school, bribed or threatened their way out of tight situations, and considered themselves more clever than the watch dogs.

At times, in the past, these maneuvers to take advantage of the opportunities that membership MJ12 affords have succeeded, and thus the occasional rumors to this effect. But of late we, the Service-to-Other Zetas, have been elicited to assist MJ12 in monitoring adherence to their rules, and this has brought an abrupt end to these practices. There are no plots that escape our notice, as we become aware of them when they are first hatched in the minds of the schemers. We cannot enumerate past practices, due to our agreement with MJ12. Suffice it to say that during the era when we offered an un-monitored travel service to MJ12 members, complete with the cloak that prevents awareness that such travel is even occurring, there could be any manner of misuse. This is the intelligence community ideal, to be cloaked and invisible during their movements and to have instant travel to and from their destinations. This also is the dream of the thief or law breaker.

In step with sorting out the orientations and agendas of the alien groups they had agreements with, MJ12 gained confidence in working with ourselves, the Service-to-Other Zetas. Thus, recently, our assistance has been elicited to ensure that the policy of the governing board is followed, and as these policies are in the main and increasingly benign, we are happy to oblige. We are mindful that without our assistance past abuses would surely be repeated.
All rights reserved: ZetaTalk@ZetaTalk.com

Mail this Page to a Friend.
ZetaTalk: MJ12 Agenda, Note: written on Oct 15, 2000
http://www.zetatalk.com/govmt/g117.htm

The general public, to the extent they are aware of the existence of MJ12 and it’s purported purpose of controlling interaction with extraterrestrials, are unclear on additional goals. They hear stories about MJ12’s regular meetings with aliens, desire on the part of the US Military to secure alien technology, membership in MJ12 by select and invited individuals, and suppression of news on all this by harsh means. Are these the goals of MJ12 - containment, self promotion, and suppression? Hardly. Where the scope of activities in the early days of MJ12 were certainly dominated by and intense desire to determine what the alien agenda was, and to come out on top in any arrangements, MJ12 soon found itself holding a tightly capped bottle that was about to explode. Not only were aliens contacting the citizenry of the world on a regular and increasing basis, the evidence presented by ourselves, the Service-to-Other Zetas, on the approach of the 12th Planet for it’s periodic passage was bearing true, and this translated to an almost mind boggling responsibility toward the general populace.

Where the self-serving goals of Alternatives 1, 2, and 3 are well known among students of UFOlogy, the goals of those member of MJ12 who were altruistic are not well known. Where MJ12 was heavily influenced in it’s early days by the CIA, which indeed ran drugs and laundered money on the excuse that MJ12 as a secret organization needed outside funding, the arm of MJ12 that has strengthened and become dominant of late had a different focus.

• Clearly, the early goals of MJ12 to suppress knowledge of the alien presence could not be perpetuated, was an untenable situation, and could only end in humiliation for MJ12. This has thus migrated to be a series of controlled leaks, semi-truths and even frank admissions, with contactees and those reporting sightings no longer punished. ZetaTalk, as we have mentioned, is viewed as an excellent means of bridging the gap of ignorance of the alien agenda, as Nancy is generally accessible and widely known and accepted in her role.

• Likewise, where some members from the early days of MJ12, seeking to get rich and hold the reigns of power where they could never be discovered or taken to account, resulted in mischief and even crime, this was steadfastly rooted out and the perpetrators called to account. Now MJ12 functions as the secret organization it was intended to be, sparsely funded and the poverty child of the government, truly. In that MJ12 utilizes the many arms of the government to implement their programs, and in that government employees in the main staff MJ12, there is no need for independent funding.

• Seeing that the pole shift was rapidly approaching, and was framing out to be the horror we had described during our initial encounters shortly after Roswell, MJ12 first set out to inform the public via the media with movies having a cataclysmic overtone. Tidal waves, asteroids and missiles of death raining down upon cities from space, dust in the air putting the Earth in a death-grip of doom - all these were designed to set the populace to thinking about such matters, but always with the theme that their government would and could save them. If the public was not informed at the start, in these film scenarios, this was because panic was to be avoided, the best interests of the public in mind, or so the story went. MJ12’s initial approach to the problem of breaking the news to the public has also migrated over time, to a different set of projects.
All rights reserved: ZetaTalk@ZetaTalk.com

Mail this Page to a Friend.
ZetaTalk: MJ12 Projects, Note: written on Oct 15, 2000
http://www.zetatalk.com/govmt/g118.htm

What projects does MJ12 now have on its roster, and how does ZetaTalk or Troubled Times fit into that list?

Facilitating the Awakening is a goal that has a dual agenda. It both gets past the issue of the alien presence, by making it clear that aliens are and have been visiting Earth for some time with no harm done to humans, and holds the potential of helping survivors in the Aftertime. It is clear to MJ12 that they or any government arm can do little to alleviate suffering during or after the pole shift. The devastation will be immense, and any actions they take before or after the shift virtually useless. Even should they move all citizens to safety, starvation and in-fighting would soon follow. So opening the door to extraterrestrial help, fact-to-fact conscious contact, perhaps, is something that an expedited Awakening might provide. To the extent that this project does not run amock of the power-hungry agendas of humans on Earth, who view the Earth as their domain and their’s only, this is facilitated by MJ12.

• Running interference, preventing disruption of activities they deem positive, is a strong MJ12 program, as it is one with which they feel comfortable and have a long and successful track record. MJ12 is peopled, primarily, with government employees, primarily military, in the intelligence business. Intelligence gathering requires careful planning and many alternative plans to cover every conceivable contingency. Intelligence gathering forays are defended, by nature, as they go into enemy territory under hostile and dangerous conditions. Thus, defense, in secret, is the very nature of intelligence gathering as much as snooping. MJ12 runs interference by taking out, or discouraging, anything they consider a block or a danger to a program they are supporting.

Promoting, to the degree they can influence the media or private wealth, programs they view to be helping with the Awakening or providing some self-help advice to the general populace as a solution to the devastation soon to be upon them because of the rapidly approaching cataclysms. In that being an arm’s length away is an understatement, this is easier said than done. MJ12 must be several arm’s lengths away, by decree and by their mission statement, and not discovered. Thus a great deal of effort goes into putting distance between their agents and an action the public becomes aware of. It’s not as simple as pushing a button.

Mail this Page to a Friend.
ZetaTalk: Russian MJ12, Note: written on Sep 15, 1999
http://www.zetatalk.com/govmt/g109.htm

MJ12 as an organization exists only within the United States, but the US has used it's relationships with other countries to extend it's reach. Of course, such a matter as the alien presence being real, and the approach of the coming cataclysms, makes friends of enemies. Details were shared, without ever leaving any proof in foreign hands, so that allies and enemies alike were stunned and shaken, and thereafter cooperative with any plan. It has long been suspected that Russia and the US almost pretended to be enemies, so as to push an agenda that would save the earth from alien invasion. This is true, but is more easily accomplished than would be imagined. It is not difficult, where a conflict exists, to continue it, as those in charge of continuing the conflict are kept ignorant. These are pawns, to be manipulated by those very high up, who know the larger truth.

Thus moneys were spent on military matters, which were a good cover for the work of saving the planet from a supposed alien invasion. This invasion of course could not occur, as anyone reading the Rules section of ZetaTalk would understand, but this has only recently been understood by those at the highest levels of the major powers in the world. Of course, in most countries so included in the inner circle of such knowledge, an organization similar to MJ12 would spring up, to handle and manage the programs. However, they do not have the alien contacts that MJ12 does, as they were not deemed as important in world influence as the US.
All rights reserved: ZetaTalk@ZetaTalk.com

Mail this Page to a Friend.
ZetaTalk: MJ12 Demise, Note: written on Dec 15, 2000
http://www.zetatalk.com/govmt/g122.htm

Under what circumstances would the agreement between ourselves, the Service-to-Other Zetas, and MJ12 end. This is an unlimited engagement, which means that it lasts until the death of one or the other. As ourselves, the Service-to-Other Zetas, are many and out of reach of any conflicts or occurrences on Earth, we are not likely, as a group or a race, to die out. As MJ12 is an agency, however secret, of the US Government, it is more fragile. Is the US Government about to die? Yes, by many steps that might occur prior to the impending pole shift, and certainly at the point of the shift. What is the US Government, and what would cause it to die, in our opinion, so as to end our agreement with MJ12 and cease the travel service, complete with cloaking, that we now provide to MJ12.

The US Government is founded on the Constitution, and its Amendments, a solemn and well-published document upon which federal law is grounded. Inherent in this document is that the US is a democracy, by and for the people. Elections of the governed are based on popular vote, taxation by representation, and the assumption is that the government is serving the people, although this is often buried in layers of government self service in that so many positions and jobs are created and maintained, endlessly. What would occur, beyond the scandalous and obvious infraction of these premises during the past election of President of the US in 2000?

• The US Government could stop serving the people, and instead start serving itself. This would occur when hardship descends upon the country to the extent that the government finds it can no longer do its sworn duty to the people, and is faced with the choice of either closing down, honestly, or moving into self service, blatantly. The carry-on government is one such blatant move into self-service. If the situation was such that the original government cannot continue, then how does the carry-on government expect to serve the people? This is arrogant self-service, not service to the people.

• The US Government could find itself in a position of not being able to serve the people, though willing. This would occur if the representatives and bureaucrats were moved to a safe location, but cut off from any avenue whereby they can provide service. Simply moving the government from Washington DC to another locale, complete with storage of foods stuffs and other means of survival, does not constitute a government - it represents an attempt to maintain such a government for the benefit of those maintained, solely.

• The US Government could find itself disbursing, in the face of calamity, with desertion in the ranks and empty offices, and still voices when explanations to the people should be made - a basic avoidance of responsibility on most fronts. This would occur if starvation and imminent disaster were so overwhelming that those in government sticking to their posts were unable to offer any hope whatsoever, and those in responsibility for planning and operations had run for the hills, avoiding their responsibility. This is a government that has collapsed, and has thus died.

• The US Government could, in an effort to serve a select few and keep the masses at bay, declare Martial Law. This step inevitably amounts to serving a few, usually the wealthy and powerful, while pushing to the side to their own resources the under-privileged majority. This is not what the Constitution is based upon, and unless the people themselves are truly at risk, and the steps taken to rescue them, Martial Law is in effect acting as though the Constitution has been set aside, no matter how this is explained by those setting this in motion.

What would the demise of MJ12 mean, insofar as we, the Service-to-Other Zetas are concerned? In that MJ12 no longer speaks to the Service-to-Self aliens they originally began talking to when MJ12 was formed, it means they have no agreement with any alien group, no travel service complete with cloaking so the public is not aware of their activities during such travel, and no information provided by ourselves. MJ12 members are just people, and beyond calling themselves otherwise, they have no special powers. They have knowledge, which the public at large does not, but beyond this, they are not special.
All rights reserved: ZetaTalk@ZetaTalk.com

Mail this Page to a Friend.
ZetaTalk: Suicide,Note: written on Jan 15, 2001
http://www.zetatalk.com/govmt/g125.htm

After the Supreme Court maneuver, when Bush was destined to become President, we warned that there would be a Social Security scam, swinging money to Wall Street to bolster Wall Street so it would not crash as soon as it surely will, and to watch for the new administration to be heavily loyal to industrial interests and special interests of the wealthy, and to expect that enclaves of the wealthy would be protected by the military and the average man would be cut loose to his own resources. We also mentioned that our association with MJ12 was not necessarily going to continue, because it was an agreement made with the US Government, and arm of which became the Secret Government. A US Government cannot just call itself a US Government, it must in fact act like a US Government for our agreement to continue. Our agreement is null and void if the US Government serves only the special few and not the people it is sworn to serve, if it is no longer a democracy because martial law has been imposed, and for many other similar reasons.

Because, over the years, Presidents have tried to prevent the incoming President from knowing about and using MJ12, it has increasingly been cut away from the White House and became an independent arm. MJ12 has been populated by various civil servants, in the intel organizations to some extent, and some individuals who have never had any government service but who were pulled into MJ12 service due to their expertise or their position to help on a particular issue. All of the approximately 2,000 people who entered MJ12 and became members agreed, and signed an agreement, to allow MJ12 to assassinate them should they begin leaking information or financially gaining from information they learned from their MJ12 association. So it wasn’t a large group, and the governing board of 40 was certainly not a large group, but the governing board in particular was very independent. The President could not pull their strings. The Vice President was a member, but not a member of the governing board.

Because of the distress the governing boards of MJ12 felt over what they were certain were plans to misuse the Zeta travel service, they disbanded themselves. This happened in December, after the election, and they allowed a two week closedown. During that period there was a reforming of a new group composed of MJ12 members who had no association with the government in their past or present, because this was deemed to be a loyalty problem where they could be pulled in more than one direction.

Mail this Page to a Friend.
ZetaTalk: Why Nancy? Note: written Jul 15, 1997.
http://www.zetatalk.com/transfor/t69.htm

Of course, we and others speak through a number of conduits. Many but not all channels are valid, and some of these on occasion carry our voice. Nancy edits our words but also contributes to the content by suggesting points we have failed to cover. Nancy is unique as to her telepathic communications, though many others, seeing the success of ZetaTalk, have asked for this. It is not so much her body, or her IQ, or her age or location that determined our decision to accept Nancy's offer. She has other qualities, missing in others, and in abundance in Nancy - courage, the ability to stand up to Service-to-Self methods, absolutely, and a track record in this regard that allowed us to trust her with this mission. She has more than satisfied our expectations. Nancy is also unique because she has placed herself at great risk.

Nancy entered into an unlimited engagement with MJ12 in order to further certain goals. It was her perception that MJ12 was a highly cautious organization, and would not act or move on matters of concern to her unless they were guaranteed utmost control. She gave them that control by granting them, in essence, the ability to execute her should they deem that necessary. For those unfamiliar with what an unlimited engagement is, this is outlined in the Rules section of ZetaTalk where the rules whereby alien groups of different orientations engage. In essence, it is a no-holds-barred engagement, unlimited, so that such an engagement bound Nancy for life. Of course, it also bound the old MJ12 for their life, and when this arm of the government ceased to have official status, her engagement was at an end too. They too, as an organization, could and did die.

Between alien groups of differing orientations, an unlimited engagement means that the groups engaged can savage each other, without bounds, or manipulate circumstances, without censure, until the matter at issue is settled and beyond. Such engagements are extremely rare, and normally do not involve groups, but rather individuals or dedicated teams. Within the Service-to-Other groups, such teams have resigned themselves to death at a minimum, and more often to experiences worse than death, in order to secure their goal. These are suicide missions, and Nancy understood the risk she was under when she engaged MJ12. Several other humans had done so, and only one besides Nancy lives today. The others died at the hands of what was then the predominant CIA influence over MJ12, brutally.

Because we, the Zetas, operate under the Rules of Engagement, we honored the unlimited engagement that Nancy entered into with MJ12. Thus, if MJ12 wanted to meet with her, she was picked up and delivered to them by us, just as we would have delivered one of our own to engage the Service-to-Self they had engaged, even if this meant the death of a friend and cohort. Nancy survived by her wits and passion for truth and justice, and an almost uncanny ability to sense those members of MJ12 who are strongly Service-to-Others. She made allies, and swayed agendas, and argued alternatives, so that many programs operating on automatic came under question and were changed. These are matters neither she nor ourselves, the Service-to-Other Zetas, can discuss in detail.

Thus, just as we engaged the old MJ12 in a limited engagement in the hope of making alliances for the better, and just as we gave this old MJ12 a travel service without censure or comment from us in the hope of getting beyond their deep need for control, just so Nancy went into an unlimited engagement and likewise gave them complete control over her life, should that be deemed necessary. They did not control Nancy, her thoughts and words and opinions, they simply held a death sentence they could implement any time they wished, instantly.
All rights reserved: ZetaTalk@ZetaTalk.com

Mail this Page to a Friend.
ZetaTalk: Silencing Methods, Note: written on Jun 15, 1997
http://www.zetatalk.com/govmt/g91.htm

Individuals in government service who become aware of MJ12 as more than a rumor are of course sworn to silence. In most cases, the motivation to cooperate with the edict is membership in MJ12, which grants MJ12 the right to kill the errant member should they get loose lips. Individuals being initiated into MJ12 membership sign papers granting MJ12 that right, but most think of this as a formality, an indication of the seriousness of the subject, and expect to have endless warnings and discussions long before any such action would be taken. In fact, what occurs when the issue comes up is a quick trial and execution, as delays and warnings are what allow leaks to occur and preventing this from occurring is the point of the death sentence clause.

Even during a time when deliberate leaks about the existence and identify of MJ12 are on the increase, uncontrolled and unexpected leaks are still alarming to the leadership of MJ12. These are in the main military men, who joined the military and rose in the ranks precisely because of their need for tight control, so loose lips not intended to be loose are invariably alarming. The MJ12 board is in fact two boards. One is composed primarily of military intel bureaucrats at fairly high levels. Not all of them. Not necessarily the highest. They slip away for meetings and come back, and people think they spent a long time in the bathroom. That’s how carefully it is done. The meetings are not held in any kind of a place where cars drive up. They are often times held in cow barns, very out of the way so that they are never seen. They ride to and from by space ship and no one is the wiser. The locations change constantly.

Prior to issuing a death sentence, the guilty party is always brought in for questioning, an almost instant arrangement due to the travel service we provide to MJ12, which comes complete with our ability to cloak the movements of our ships and the activities of the passengers while on an official MJ12 trip. Once guilt or evidence of deliberate intentions is ascertained, often by injecting the subject with truth serum, sentence is rapidly carried out. Because they have many controls and are very strict in their rules, they come to their decisions quickly. There are no appeals. If someone is to be executed, it is carried out very rapidly and the individual has no warning. Assassinations are thus done very conveniently, but if it were not for our travel service, the CIA and the like are very expert at slipping a needle into an arm pit to fake a heart attack, or at using drugs that dissipate and don’t show up in the blood stream.

When a prominent individual is silenced, the death is carefully orchestrated to appear as an accident or suicide. If intense public scrutiny is expected, the body in involved in an accident that none would question, such as in the airplane crash that killed Clinton’s Secretary of Transportation Ron Brown. The cause of death is obvious, so the body is not examined in detail. Where the individual is living a quiet life, a car accident or perhaps a sporting accident, as in the death of former CIA director William Colby, might be involved. Other options include a simulated heart attack, via a needle inserted through the armpit where puncture wounds would not be discovered, or a simulated stroke - both caused by drugs injected and rapidly disappearing from the blood stream, undetectable upon autopsy.
All rights reserved: ZetaTalk@ZetaTalk.com

FROM TROUBLED TIMES

ZetaTalk Section

ASSASSINATIONS
http://www.zetatalk.com/theword/tword23k.htm

In April, 1996 ZetaTalk stated that Silencing Methods included killing Commerce Secretary Ron Brown and disguising the assassination in a plane crash; in December, 1997, the Drudge Report stated that on autopsy, Ron Brown was found to have been killed by a bullet to the head, and this fact covered up, and the Conspiracy Archive states the many reasons.

PART TWO:

THE NEW MJ12

THE ADMINISTRATIONS OF PRESIDENTS GEORGE W. BUSH AND BARACK H. OBAMA

Mail this Page to a Friend.
ZetaTalk: New MJ12, Note: written on Jan 15, 2001
http://www.zetatalk.com/govmt/g126.htm

The members of MJ12 who formed the new group have in almost all cases physically disappeared so that you could not find them in the phone book or locate them. The government cannot hack at them. They don’t have relatives or children so they cannot be harmed in that way. They are free agents. The new MJ12 group has determined an agenda and course of action.

To prevent disinformation and misinformation from ruling.
Not that it cannot be spread, but it cannot prevail as the only message the people receive. They want the public to receive the truth. They will arrange to have cover-ups exploded and leaks to occur and countering information to come up from unusual sources.

To maintain the democratic ideal.
They do not want to see democracy completely bite the dust and martial law imposed so that people become literally serfs of the wealthy or powerful at gunpoint of the military. This new group is not restricted in the same way the old group of MJ12 was, in that the old MJ12 had rules. There was a need-to-know basis between the various intel organizations and arms they utilized, the CIA and FBI. In many cases these agencies had no idea they were doing an MJ12 service. So MJ12 had full access to the government bureaucracy and agents, but they had many rules, such as not assassinating somebody who was in the public eye. Therefore, someone in the public eye could get away with maneuvers and thumb their nose, so to speak, at MJ12, knowing they were a public figure and therefore could not be taken out. This group does not have such restrictions.

To retaliate against the initiator, not the agents.
They are carrying forward an earlier MJ12 routine, which was to attack the instigator of an action, rather than any agent. In other words, if a high level executive of a corporation desired to have something blown up or someone killed, when this was against MJ12’s rules, they would punish the person setting off the bomb or person carrying the gun. These people would be stopped, but the person to be retaliated against would be the person setting this in motion, in this case the executive, who would be tortured in front of his compatriots or killed. This stopped a lot of nonsense in that those who would create chaos tend to live in fear of having this come right back at them in their front door, like a type of karma. So this new group is continuing this and going right to the top to the person who has perpetrated the crime, rather than to punish the agents and it is remarkable how effective this is.

This new group is very effective and has been functioning for some weeks at the time of this writing. The group has no name. You can call it the new MJ12 if you wish, and if and when they decide on a name they will announce themselves through ZetaTalk. In such a group as ours, a close-knit group, working effectively together, where there are human telepaths who communicate with us as Nancy does, pretty effectively, names are not necessary.
All rights reserved: ZetaTalk@ZetaTalk.com

RECENT NEW MJ12 OPERATIONS (?)

Mail this Page to a Friend.
ZetaTalk: Rayburn Shootout, written June 3, 2006 on the live GodlikeProduction Radio show.
http://www.zetatalk.com/index/zeta289.htm

QUESTION: What really happened in the Rayburn Building parking garage over Memorial Day weekend? Is the story at www.tomflocco.com true?

ANSWER: Tom Flocco has a very strong vein of truth in what he reports, more than falsehoods, and gives insights into activities that one would get nowhere else on the Internet and certainly not in the media. Obviously it was not construction noises in the Rayburn building. Obviously if the train corridor and only the train corridor between New York and DC was affected by an outage - that's not the way electrical systems work. So what really happened? We have mentioned that going in to the ascension of Bush and Cheney to the Whitehouse in January 2001, after the stolen election of 2000, that MJ12 committed suicide. MJ12 had some 2000 active members, a great many of them in the intel organisations of the US, the CIA and Military intel, with an arm in Russia and some other countries like Britain. They were brought into the know, were given a travel service by ourselves in the very early days in order to allow us and other benign aliens to interact extensively with MJ12 and counter the promises and the gifts given by the Service-to-Self aliens such as the Omnipotent Krill. These Service-to-Self aliens had landed just prior to the Roswell crash and were impressing the military by their flashy ship manoeuvres and the like and promises of alien technology. No alien technology was ever given to the US military as this is against the rules, but before they found that out they were in love with the Service-to-Self aliens and their promises of power. Many people in the military are power hungry. For those that rise to the top, the generals, the idea of being able to bark orders and terrify people with space ship exploits meant domination of the world. What could be better?

This travel service was highly attractive to Bush and Cheney who were both members of MJ12 from the past. Bush Junior had gotten into MJ12 via his father, Bush Senior, so in this case we had both a president and a vice-president who were members of MJ12. This is outside the usual rule that the president would not be a member but the vice-president could be. Of course you can imagine what would have happened in Iraq and elsewhere if evidence could be planted, assassinations could be done by the cloaked travel service which we were giving to MJ12, despite the fact that this had really come under increasingly tight rules so that misuse did not occur. The MJ12 governing boards were 2 boards of 20 each at that time. They had become, increasingly over the decades, composed of highly Service-to-Other individuals. When the time came to appoint another member to the board, those people who were in a position to make the appointment took their responsibly very seriously, realizing that this was the most important activity going on, on the face of the globe, and thought of themselves, their families, their grandchildren or whatever was important to them, and would generally appoint someone they considered highly competent, not just a buddy as is the normal government appointment, where the cronies get in. So increasingly, this group, the MJ12 board, the governing boards, became highly Service-to-Other. They recognized the horror that would have occurred had MJ12 and their agreement with us been left in place with Bush and Cheney in charge, and they in essence committed suicide. This ended MJ12 as a body, which freed us from our agreement and freed Nancy from her unlimited engagement where she could be picked up and brought to meet with MJ12 agents whenever they wished. We might mention that Nancy was also able, while everyone was in pajamas at night, to often demand that she meet with MJ12 members, even of the governing board, because that's the way an unlimited engagement works - it's a two way street. All that ended.

Many people who were highly Service-to-Other had been brought into MJ12 because they were in the intel organisations but had no family, they were not married. They didn't have children or dependants they were responsible for on a regular basis. Their parents were dead. Their siblings were dead. Therefore they could disappear and no-one would question How did this death occur, how did they die? There would be no questions asked and therefore they were eligible or they were able to be taken into what we would call the New MJ12. They could go away with us to places where we have cities on the face of the Earth, cloaked, and live with us and work for good. This has nothing to do with the White House. Nothing to do with interaction with the US government. These are people, highly skilled military special ops, intel and the like, and others, highly motivated Service-to-Other individuals, working with us. This is the means by which we have operated under the Council of Worlds edicts to prevent weapons of mass destruction from being planted, to prevent fake terrorism attacks within the continental United States, to prevent the 1957 virus being planted as bird flu to create a pandemic. The pandemic is something that the Bush administration longs for in order to be able to call martial law. Tony Blair likewise wishes for this. The New MJ12 is a combination of the Zeta and these humans. We read peoples minds. We know when the plots are hatched. Then we transport and teleport these agents, cloaked, so that they appear in the middle of a building or they appear somewhere where they need to be, do their activities and then just disappear. They can't be tracked, they can't be found. They can also, as they are people who have associates through the years in the US intelligence organizations, used to contact people in these agencies. They show up and shake someone's hands and say Remember me? This is going to be happening and I need your help. They can enlist the help of those who aren't in the New MJ12 but are horrified by the actions of Bush and Blair over these past few years.

So this New MJ12 group operated indeed in Chicago months ago where there was a shoot-out underground, underneath Fitzgerald's office, and prevented it. No question they operated on May 25th with full knowledge of what the plans were. What did Bush and Blair hope to achieve? They expected that if they had a small hand-picked group of people that came in from Britain for instance with Blair, as a security squad, how would anyone know? That it would be so secret that no-one would know and they were stunned to find that the whole operation from top to bottom was known and identified and foiled. This is our input, we were the ones who told members of the New MJ12 what the plan was and where the evidence was, and who was carrying it. Yes, they attempted to get the physical evidence because in some point in time the Bush White House will be brought into the docket, on trial, lock stock and barrel, all those people at the top. It's a matter of convincing enough people in government that the people in the United States will not be alarmed but will go for this. This has been planned since the election in 2000 was stolen, but because the Congress was so heavily Republican and unlikely to impeach Bush and the evidence hadn't been garnered in full, it has been delayed. This has been a constant process of gathering evidence and eliciting support. At some point in the future, this essential coup of the United States government will take place. It will be explained to the American public that the Bush administration was illegal from the start, in both the 2000 and 2004 elections, and an alternate administration will be put into place while proper elections are conducted.

Signs of the Times #1600
What we have here is a time frame like this: We have commuter trains shutting down between New York and Washington on the 25th of May because of a power outtage. We have a very distraught Tony Blair appearing on a press conference with the ever bumbling Bush later that day. Then we have a shoot out in the Rayburn building on the 26th of May over some evidence that there was a plot to derail trains in the area on the 25th. Part of the information that Mr. Flocco released said the power outage was to prevent the derailments. [and from another]
AMTRAC has multiple electrical feeds into it's system. A single point failure should not do anything to shut the AMTRAC trains, even coming at a key point such as where the failure alledgedly occured. [and from another]
http://www.nj.com/ 'The outage experienced Thursday was unprecedented. We had a situation where a localized outage cascaded throughout the whole system.' [and from another] http://www.tomflocco.com [May 25] The power grid shutdown coming out of the French-Canadian province was said to have prevented American trains from crashing into one another or into major rail stations. [and from another] http://www.tomflocco.com [May 31] The altercation turned into an exchange of automatic weapons fire over a pouch containing evidence files documenting an operation to bomb the rail system along the Northeast corridor on Thursday.

Mail this Page to a Friend.
ZetaTalk: Dead Astronomers, written Dec 9, 2004
http://www.zetatalk.com/index/zeta185.htm

Mail this Page to a Friend.ZetaTalk: Dead Astronomerswritten Dec 9, 2004--------------------------------------------------------------------------------The greatest fear a cover-up has is an uncontrolled unraveling. Spin control, as it is often called. There was a reason for the Planet X cover-up, a valid reason, a reason that took into consideration saving lives and looking after the public good, concern about damping panic that would have cost lives and dollars and done no one any good, and thus those perpetrating the cover-up were exemplary citizens, leaders with great foresight, and should be thanked for keeping the truth from the public all these years. What they hope will be over looked are the real reasons for the cover-up in the first place, primarily a desire to use the passage of Planet X as an opportunity to come out on top of the pile when the dust settles, to control of people and assets, to destroy opposition and seize control, to place a restless public into a slave labor status during the turmoil, and thus, emerge as kings. At best, perpetrating the cover-up was an inability to simply admit their inability to deal with the situation, to retain perks and status and pay for as long as possible. For many, especially as evidence of Planet X exploded on the scene, participation in the cover-up was a demand, expressed as a national security issue to damp panic and protect the public safety. Caught in this group were many with good hearts, who longed to let the public know what they were privy to, so they could understand the current weather and earthquakes and volcanic restlessness in a proper perspective. Did their neighbors and friends not deserve to know? Did they not have plans to make and issues to settle ahead of time? If those in the know, the elite, were not in a state of panic, then would not the common man, who deals with such stress in their everyday lives, not be able to cope with this information just as effectively? These feelings, contrary to the purposes of those demanding the cover-up b

The greatest fear a cover-up has is an uncontrolled unraveling. Spin control, as it is often called. There was a reason for the Planet X cover-up, a valid reason, a reason that took into consideration saving lives and looking after the public good, concern about damping panic that would have cost lives and dollars and done no one any good, and thus those perpetrating the cover-up were exemplary citizens, leaders with great foresight, and should be thanked for keeping the truth from the public all these years. What they hope will be over looked are the real reasons for the cover-up in the first place, primarily a desire to use the passage of Planet X as an opportunity to come out on top of the pile when the dust settles, to control of people and assets, to destroy opposition and seize control, to place a restless public into a slave labor status during the turmoil, and thus, emerge as kings. At best, perpetrating the cover-up was an inability to simply admit their inability to deal with the situation, to retain perks and status and pay for as long as possible. For many, especially as evidence of Planet X exploded on the scene, participation in the cover-up was a demand, expressed as a national security issue to damp panic and protect the public safety.

Caught in this group were many with good hearts, who longed to let the public know what they were privy to, so they could understand the current weather and earthquakes and volcanic restlessness in a proper perspective. Did their neighbors and friends not deserve to know? Did they not have plans to make and issues to settle ahead of time? If those in the know, the elite, were not in a state of panic, then would not the common man, who deals with such stress in their everyday lives, not be able to cope with this information just as effectively? These feelings, contrary to the purposes of those demanding the cover-up be maintained at all costs until the bitter end, are often noted at the workplace or elsewhere, or when resentful participants might express their feelings over a beer at a bar or during a commute. A second class of participants in the cover-up are those who were promised safety, security, a place in well stocked bunkers and a job working for those who would be kings after the pole shift. ‘Go along, and we’ll reward you as a faithful servant’, was the message. But as the cataclysm precursors heat up, and those promised safety make inquiries, it is apparent that no such inclusion has been planned. ‘Thanks for your help, sucker, now go stand in the cold rain and grub for bugs to eat’, is the implicit message.

Both these groups are a concern for those at the helm of the cover-up as it is about to unravel. The temptation is to eliminate them or at least send a message. Will this suppression succeed? In part, but not for long. When the real Earth changes begin, the admissions and hysteria and frantic ad hoc discussions will be like a flood of emotion, uncontrollable, among those who knew of the cover-up and those only suddenly realizing it. Will spin control work, for those who were at the helm all along and trying to maintain control when it is unraveling? Hardly, or will they kill all concerned, leaving NASA without staff, the observatories without staff, as a message to the concerned public trying to sort it all out. ‘We did this for the public good, and that’s why we killed all who had knowledge.’ Hardly credible. Those in the White House, in control of NASA, in control of time keepers in the Navy, rallying heads of state around the world to participate in the cover-up, withholding funds from observatories that do not keep their astronomers in line, cannot run from their liability. They can run from their roles, deny, but they cannot hide from the public, who will recognize them wherever they are found in the aftermath of the pole shift, vulnerable, out among those they lied to all these years. True karma, pending.

Signs of the Times #1255
Caught in this group were many with good hearts, who longed to let the public know what they were privy to, so they could understand the current weather and earthquakes and volcanic restlessness in a proper perspective. These feelings, contrary to the purposes of those demanding the cover-up be maintained at all costs until the bitter end, are often noted at the workplace or elsewhere, or when resentful participants might express their feelings over a beer at a bar or during a commute. A second class of participants in the cover-up are those who were promised safety, security, a place in well stocked bunkers and a job working for those who would be kings after the pole shift. But as the cataclysm precursors heat up, and those promised safety make inquiries, it is apparent that no such inclusion has been planned. Both these groups are a concern for those at the helm of the cover-up as it is about to unravel. Those in the White House, in control of NASA, in control of time keepers in the Navy, rallying heads of state around the world to participate in the cover-up, withholding funds from observatories that do not keep their astronomers in line, cannot run from their liability. They can run from their roles, deny, but they cannot hide from the public, who will recognize them wherever they are found in the aftermath of the pole shift, vulnerable, out among those they lied to all these years. True karma, pending. [Note: new ZetaTalk: Dead Astronomers.] In the Photos section, Mt Wilson photo on May 26, 2003, and on May 28.

Signs of the Times #1254
Three killed in NASA van plunge [Dec 8] http://edition.cnn.com/ ‘A commuter van from NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory tumbled 200 feet off a twisting mountain. The van was carrying six employees of the lab in Pasadena, two contractors and two NASA employees. The cause of the accident was not immediately known. Clouds and fog shrouded the site, at an altitude of about 1,500 feet. Snow dotted flanks of the mountain, but the road itself was clear.’ [and from another source] The Angeles Crest Highway is a two-lane road, with many sharp curves and very steep drop-offs (although there are guardrails). There is an obervatory, Mt. Wilson, up at the top. [and from another source] There have been quit a few scientist killed over the last 10 years. In fact the odds of so many of them being killed by accident within such a small time frame is extremely remote. [and from another source] French cable car crash kills 20 [Jul 1, 1999] http://www.cnn.com/ ‘The car detached itself from the cable, but the cable did not snap. Most of the victims were reported to be employees of the observatory, which is run by French, German and Spanish scientists. The cable car was used only for the observatory and no tourists were believed to be on board. The chief representative of the cable car union said the cable car was built in the 1980s and had recently passed a safety inspection.’

Mail this Page to a Friend.
ZetaTalk: Military Assassinations,written September 20, 2007
http://www.zetatalk.com/index/zeta399.htm

Assassinations to eliminate whistleblowers or critics is nothing new. Journalists have been shot in the head or in the back since the start of Bush's War in Iraq, with the attempted assassination of an Italian journalist one that hit the press dramatically. Her case, which is still in the courts, is one that came to light, but most are brushed under the rug. Journalists soon learn to speak the Bush line or be silent, frankly on pain of death if they step over the line. Making an example is a common way of approaching such issues. Football star Tillman, who was going to become a critic of the war, was such an example. He was shot in the back of the head, at point blank range. Where the cover-up over this assassination was in place for the public, the true facts only recently coming to light, the true circumstances were spread throughout the armed services by rumor, and thus the assignation was considered to have served its purpose.

These two instances are no different. Pointedly shooting a critic in the head, or cutting the brake or steering mechanisms and installing a minor explosive device so an accident occurs on the road, are assassinations easily arranged. Such assassinations may pick up in the future. The Bush White House and their cronies will find themselves more desperate to achieve their goals. They will be more willing to take chances and thus place themselves in circumstances more exposed to whistleblowers. And past crimes will become a worry, with any possible witnesses eliminated before they can be questioned by investigators. Such assassinations always have a flip side, as they are noted by many, and increase determination to prosecute and bring to justice those responsible.

Were War Critic Soldiers Killed To Send Message?

Sep 15, 2007
http://www.propagandamatrix.com/articles/september2007/140907_send_message.htm
Just over three weeks after the op-ed was published, two of its authors, Mora and Sgt. Yance T. Gray, were killed in an apparent vehicle accident when their truck veered off an elevated highway in western Baghdad and fell about 30 feet. A third author of the letter was also shot in the head in a separate incident during the time when the op-ed was being written. Though Staff Sgt. Jeremy Murphy survived and is expected to make a full recovery, the fact that three of the seven authors of the op-ed were either killed or received life-threatening injuries shortly before and after the publication of the piece is highly suspicious.

Minot Base Officials Say Airman Dies While On Leave
September 12, 2007
http://www.kfyrtv.com/News_Stories.asp?news=10465

The Minot Air Force Base said an airman has died while on leave in Virginia. Airman First Class Todd Blue, who was 20 years old, died while visiting with family members. The statement did not say how he died. The base said Blue was a response force member assigned to the 5th Security Forces Squadron. He enlisted in the Air Force in March 2006 and was assigned to the Minot base the following August. His squadron commander said Blue was known to step up to help out his fellow airmen.

Caddo Deputies Work Double-Fatality Accident
September 15, 2007
http://www.shreveporttimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?

Caddo Parish sheriff's deputies worked a wreck this morning in which two people from Barksdale Air Force Base were killed. The two were riding a 2007 Harley-Davidson motorcycle, with the husband driving and the wife the passenger. The woman passenger on the motorcycle died at the scene, while the husband was taken to LSU Hospital in Shreveport, where he died.

Authorities Identify Minot Airman Killed in Crash
July 5, 2007
http://www.kxmc.com/getArticle.asp?ArticleId=140988

Authorities have identified a Minot Air Force Base man killed in a crash on the outskirts of Minot. Base officials say 20-year-old Adam Barrs was a passenger in a vehicle that failed to negotiate a curve, hit an approach, hit a tree and started on fire. Barrs was pronounced dead at the scene. The driver is identified as 20-year-old Airman Stephen Garrett. He was taken to Minot's Trinity Hospital in critical condition.

Bomber Pilot Killed in Crash
Jul 20, 2007
http://www.bismarcktribune.com/articles/2007/07/20/news/state/136489.txt
A Minot Air Force Base bomber pilot was killed in a motorcycle crash in Tennessee. 1st Lt. Weston Kissel, 28, was a B-52 pilot assigned to the 23rd Bomb Wing at the Minot base. Kissel died in the crash while on leave. Kissel, a native of Tennessee, graduated from the Air Force Academy in 2004, and arrived at the Minot base in July last year.

Body of Missing Air Force Captain Found
Sep 10, 2007
http://www.komotv.com/news/local/9679367.html

The body of a missing Air Force captain from Florida has been found near Badger Peak in northeast Skamania County, Washington. Acting on a tip from Portland police, Skamania County authorities found Capt. John Frueh's rental car about noon on Saturday. They quickly began a search and rescue mission and, with the help of search dogs, found Frueh's body near the vehicle about 5 pm. Authorities said foul play is not suspected. Frueh, 33, came to Portland late last month to attend a friend's wedding. He last spoke with family on Aug. 30.

Messages In This Thread

DEALING WITH THE ALIEN PRESENCE; A TWO PART OVERVIEW OF MAJESTIC TWELVE, THE OLD & THE NEW.
Re: DEALING WITH THE ALIEN PRESENCE; A TWO PART OVERVIEW OF MAJESTIC TWELVE, THE OLD & THE NEW.
how funny, I dealt with the alien presence my way without knowing that you elaborated on it at the same time :D did we get remote order?
Re: how funny, I dealt with the alien presence my way without knowing that you elaborated on it at the same time :D did we get remote order?
YES. Inner Calls. Scalar Brainwaves. The Gift THEY can't control? *NM*
Fair Use Notice -- Terms of Usage

©2005-2019 BBS Network, Inc. | BBS Radio® | BBS Talk Radio™ | BBS® ALL RIGHTS RESERVED - If it's not mainstream, it's on BBS Radio®.